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Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.26, 09:10:38
Hey Matt,

Yes Sir, if you are keen to see something amazing, then this is a place to start.

Lenz's Law is very simple to over come!
IMPORTANT: This Magnetic Field is Still a Magnetic Field Changing in Time! It could be considered ANOTHER Primary Magnetic Field!

Please watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-V1z2TdQJA

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- always the same input power for small and huge load attached to the output

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- the ability to multiplication of current on output without changing voltage (1:1 ratio)

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.27, 01:23:05
Hey Poynt99,

The same Poynt99 from ou.com I am guessing?

Kind Regards

  Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
  To Reach New Horizons!

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Same one, yes. Since we're on a fresh page, I'll repeat the question:

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Do you have any coils presently built up that exhibit COP >1?

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If so, is there a video link where you show this?

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.27, 00:26:22
Hey Itsu,

Excellent work! Very Nice!

A few things to try,

First, lower the resistance on the Output:

As you will likely already know, the Magnetic Field of a coil is calculated: Magnetic Field (B) = Permeability (µ) x Turns Density (n) x Current (I)

This is really important to get the Fields Up! We need Large Magnetic Fields to interact with each other in the building in the Coils! So a Good number of turns, reasonable Current and reasonable Magnetic Fields will follow!

Second, if this does not improve, try to gap the cores slightly more. Maybe a 1mm spacer or so. Or even removing the existing spacer? This seems to depend on the direction of the turns from one Coil to the next. I explain more in my pdf, but basically, the Windings on the Partnered Output Coils will determine the Gap, E.G: if there is one or not and how big it needs to be.

Third, can you please send me a close up pic of the Partnered Output Coils?

(How does the YouTube Tags work?) Ah got it: Just add the very last part of the video URL : "ZhQgch4L5XY"

Very nice, I recommend for everyone closely watch the video, it shows a lot of what I have already said!

Aim for, at low frequencies, the Partnered Output Coils should Chatter! You should hear and also feel the noise and vibrations!

Just like in a Electric Generator, higher the Magnetic Field, and all other parameters, the more Separation of Charge Carriers.

Beautiful Work Itsu! Thank You!

Kind Regards

  Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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A long time ago I was going to research the Floyd Sweet device, it seemed to be too little information to research.

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I saw the movie on Floyd Sweet on youtube today

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my question to you is, you stated that you thought that the magnets and conditioning of the magnets was a trick by Floyd Sweet what made you think that.

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.26, 20:52:38
Good to see you here Jeg!

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   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.26, 23:24:00
A first shot at this bucking coil configuration from EMJunkie; low output compared to the input, as expected with bucking coils
The screenshot is a sweep from 50Hz (left) to 5KHz (right); blue input from SG (20Vpp), yellow output across a 100 Ohm carbon resistor (900mV).
Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWdPYxvEDIA&feature=youtu.be

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.27, 12:40:49
I wonder if these bucking coils abnormalities possible could be linked to NMR like presented by verpies in this thread:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1541.msg32176#msg32176

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.27, 17:16:09
Wow Itsu!
I missed you and your videos

I will not comment on it if EMJunkie does not request it.

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.27, 17:58:58
Without an orthogonal polarizing field?

Also, don't forget about the Meyer devices mentioned here (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37352#msg37352).

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.27, 12:40:49
I wonder if these bucking coils abnormalities possible could be linked to NMR like presented by verpies in this thread:

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1541.msg32176#msg32176


Regards Itsu

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.27, 17:16:09
Wow Itsu!
I missed you and your videos

I will not comment on it if EMJunkie does not request it.

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.27, 20:19:35
If you don't mind, and I am sorry to ask, but I really want to leave complexities out from the thread for the meantime.

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.27, 23:07:52
A close up of the both partner coils,

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.27, 23:19:01
Hi Itsu,

Nice Work again!

from what I can see it looks right! But the output is low so something is wrong!

Two things to try:

1: Try the output connected like so in the attached Circuit.
2: Please try the second configuration in the next Picture. Two Coils identical, one flipped over to the other, wired so E-Field add's.

You should be getting much higher Output. I cant say on output Amps as it depends on the device, V/R = I but this depends on the Output Impedance!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.28, 09:10:17
What is the distance (D) between these bucking coils?

(http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2760.0;attach=16215)

If these coils really are in opposing mode then a Hall sensor placed between them will sense the flux coming out perpendicularly out of the core as depicted on the diagram above.  However if these coils are in aiding mode then most of the flux will stay inside the core and will not come out.

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Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. This idea is not novel. Men have been led to it long ago by instinct or reason; it has been expressed in many ways, and in many places, in the history of old and new. We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians and in many hints and statements of thinkers of the present time. Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic! If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic — and this we know it is, for certain — then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.

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Kinetic energy is an expression of the fact that a moving object can do work on anything it hits; it quantifies the amount of work the object could do as a result of its motion.

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Electric generators can be called energy converters, as they convert kinetic energy (energy from motion) into electrical energy. The theory behind an electric generator is that the variation of a magnetic field produces an electric current through a wire loop.

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.28, 10:13:33
Excellent Point Verpies! Have you done this before?  ^-^

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.27, 23:07:52
What kind of current should we expect through the partner coils?

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.28, 16:36:41
I...simply including a propagation delay in that mutual coupling path, the presence of that delay creates a series resistance in the equivalent circuit.  

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.28, 16:41:33
For those interested here is Osamu Ide's presentation at the 2012 SPESIF conference.

Quote from: ION on 2015.01.28, 18:42:13
When the coils are in "bucking mode" the measured inductance (of the connected pair) will be significantly less by orders of magnitude than when they are in "aiding mode". Just a matter of phasing.

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.28, 17:02:46
The mere demonstration of propagation delay in a near-field induction, would be a significant development.  I have never seen it measured.
The far-field propagation delay is already well known and a yawner.

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.28, 13:21:16

Yes

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.28, 13:21:16
the spacing between opposing coils greatly affects the shape of the magnetic flux between them.
Larger spacing also makes it possible to put sensors between the coils.

This spacing between the coils should not be confused with the core's air gap, which is an entirely different parameter.

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.28, 13:21:16
P.S.
The Lorentz force will spatially separate positive and negative charges, such as electrons and positrons.  Something has to be moving for this to work - either the charges or the magnetic field. 

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.28, 13:21:16
Note that, electric current in wires does not consist of opposite streams of electrons and positrons.

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.28, 13:57:28
i = V/(R₁ + R₂ + 2π*f*L_T)

where L_T is the total combined inductance:
L_T = L₁ + L₂ – 2*k*(L₁*L₂)^0.5

The closer the coils are, the higher is their coefficient of coupling (k).  When coils are intertwined with each other in the same space then the their coefficient of coupling (k) is the highest (almost 1).
The higher the k, the lower their combined inductance (L_T), because coils are in opposition and their individual mutual inductances subtract.

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.28, 10:15:01
Hey Itsu,

Excellent! Thanks  ;)

Verpies is right, sometimes the Gap can change things but you have already tried that, I saw in your Video.

I think the answer to your Coils is the Circuit. I think this will solve the issue.

(http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2760.0;attach=16201;image)

Kind Regards

  Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
  To Reach New Horizons!

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.28, 17:56:16
The waveform that Ide shows could be an indication of positive EMF or conventional underdamped transient LCR oscillation.

(http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2760.0;attach=16230)

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.28, 21:41:52
@ALL

Verpies has shown one of the things to look for! Over Look Nothing! Take Nothing for Granted! Trust Experiment!

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Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.28, 20:03:58
Well I am really talking about delay within the core material and I have certainly measured such delay.  I have also artificially increased such delay by adding coils shunted by capacitors at intervals along the core to create a magnetic delay line.  

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.28, 20:03:58
I have applied this to a transformer using a ring core with a small primary winding on one side and a similar small secondary winding diametrically opposite.  When driven at a frequency where the time delay from pri to sec is a half cycle the output is in antiphase to what it should be, and you won't find that in your transformer handbook.  When the time delay is a quarter cycle the thing acts like a typical quarter wave transmission line transforming impedance but not by turns ratio, an open circuit secondary reflects as a low impedance input and a shorted secondary reflects as a high impedance input.

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.28, 20:03:58
I have in my garage an old  HP 105 scope with a Time Domain Reflectometer plug in.  I used this in my professional career to examine the time delay between coupled coils in air.  It has a rise time specced at 150pS but actually around 50pS so it can resolve spatial separations down to below 1 cm.  

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.28, 18:22:23
I tried to measure the flux coming out perpendicularly out of the core between the 2 partner coils with a Hall Effect sensor, but was not able to detect any field.
Only "in" the airgap of the C-cores i can detect a signal.

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.28, 18:22:23
I tried to measure the flux coming out perpendicularly out of the core between the 2 partner coils with a Hall Effect sensor, but was not able to detect any field.
Only "in" the airgap of the C-cores i can detect a signal.

An alternative method to check if my coils are in bucking mode or not was presented by MileHigh on my youtube channel
He proposed to probe the both partner coils with 2 probes with the ground leads at the center point.
He states:   "The outputs should be in phase for bucking mode and 180 degrees out of phase for normal mode."

See here the screenshot of this setup which shows both signals in phase, meaning in bucking mode.

Regards Itsu

Quote from: ION on 2015.01.28, 18:42:13
When the coils are in "bucking mode" the measured inductance (of the connected pair) will be significantly less by orders of magnitude than when they are in "aiding mode". Just a matter of phasing.

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.28, 20:03:58
Well I am really talking about delay within the core material and I have certainly measured such delay.  I have also artificially increased such delay by adding coils shunted by capacitors at intervals along the core to create a magnetic delay line.  I have applied this to a transformer using a ring core with a small primary winding on one side and a similar small secondary winding diametrically opposite.  When driven at a frequency where the time delay from pri to sec is a half cycle the output is in antiphase to what it should be, and you won't find that in your transformer handbook.  When the time delay is a quarter cycle the thing acts like a typical quarter wave transmission line transforming impedance but not by turns ratio, an open circuit secondary reflects as a low impedance input and a shorted secondary reflects as a high impedance input.  This clearly demonstrates that magnetic delay along a core can seriously affect normal transformer operation, so it is not surprising that it also affects bucking coils wound on a common core.

I have in my garage an old  HP 105 scope with a Time Domain Reflectometer plug in.  I used this in my professional career to examine the time delay between coupled coils in air.  It has a rise time specced at 150pS but actually around 50pS so it can resolve spatial separations down to below 1 cm.  I am in no doubt about the near-field time delay even in air.

Smudge  

Quote from: Jeg on 2015.01.28, 21:01:38

Propelanttech, it is also a fact that by winding all layers starting from same side, the intrinsic capacitance is more evenly distributed between layers.

Quote from: Jeg on 2015.01.28, 21:01:38

Personally I find Itsu's question very important. It has to be studied how E fields can add up. From Emjunkies drawing of the A- vector, I understand that when both secondary coils are the one next to the other in series, then E fields are add up with cw and ccw direction. When they are the one next to the other in parallel, both need to be the same direction cw or ccw. If I am wrong please correct me.

Quote from: Jeg on 2015.01.28, 21:01:38

Yesterday I experienced something which exited me enough. In a yoke core, 200 turns per each secondary, one primary 10T, one feedback coil 10T connected in series with both sec through a diode (Meyer). Mosfet driving at about 5Khz (the lower the stronger), 24V dc power sup. 150mA consumption.
Output without load 1400V dc, (KHz pulses) imposed by the self vibrating frequency of the backing coils. When a cap of 11nf is connected at the output and a small spark gap placed in parallel with cap, then a high rate discharging happens but without affecting the input's consumption. Same behavior like on lower voltages. It is really cool to see it. When spark gap doesn't fire then the stress on secondary coils is high and easily inter arcing! I already destroyed my coils twice. I need to find better way for winding on this specific TV yoke cores as I have plenty of them from recycling. Any suggestions welcomed! :)
   

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.28, 21:22:37

Ok,  tried that configuration, but its no improvement.

No vibration or humming anymore of the C-core halfs, also low voltage still on the output across the 10 ohm resistor.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr_4EgpBE7g&feature=youtu.be


Regards Itsu

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.28, 22:51:43

Yes, this can sometimes seen on the bench, it can make a difference  :)

Kind Regards

  Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2015.01.28, 21:44:45
 

I have great respect for you guys - Chris, Itsu, Verpies, Smudge et al. and wish you all the best success.
Trying to catch up on what you're doing here... is there an introductory or summary paper or video?

Quote from: Propellanttech on 2015.01.28, 23:17:16
Chris,

Well.....I know you are replying to a lot of people, so I thought I would throw this out for the people interested in making layer separated coils. It is the term I came up with, just to have a nomenclature for the design.

The first image is the spool to wind. Just make sure every time you reach the end you come out and go around the peg the same direction every time(Always go under). When you return to winding, keep going in the same fashion as before.......don't worry it all works out in the end(the spool will always turn the same direction while winding). After you're done...mark the under side wires with a sharpie, and cut the loops. you can then ohm the bundles to see which ends meet which. You could then wire up each similarly directional layer (all odds) in parallel or series. It would take some work....but gives a lot of options on the wiring.

The second image is what the layers are after the loop is cut. Notice they are actually different in winding direction.

James

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.28, 23:27:52
@James,

If you don't mind, just for the moment, can we keep this for later on! I really want to keep this subject/topic at its simplest form until we get others getting some good results. Its really important we are making sure we don't over complicate the topic at hand  ;)

This topic/subject can be very hard to grasp! I don't know why  :D

Nice Pics!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Quote from: Propellanttech on 2015.01.28, 23:30:17
No problem EMJ.

I think I'll make this information in a new thread just for search possibilities. That way it will be archived for easy access.

Now......please continue!!    :)

James

Quote from: Groundloop on 2015.01.29, 00:07:52

I have made my two Partnered Output Coils. I did try to make two identical coils,
but it was difficult. One coil is 91.85mH and the other is 91.94mH (Without any
core in them.) I did wind one coil CW and the other coil CCW and did mark the
winding direction with an arrow symbol.

Quote from: Groundloop on 2015.01.29, 00:07:52

Now the question, what way must I
put the coils onto the core to get the correct canceling of the magnetic field?
(WhatWayA.gif or WhatWayB.gif)???

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separating the Partnered Output Coils by a small distance is enough!

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The basis of this motor is effectively a centertap coil with one half removed and refittied the other way round this changes the direction of current flow in the half turned around so it can function as it did, this also most importantly changes the direction of induced flow in this coil which means that the 2 halves of the coil are now opposing each other in the induction or generator mode and thus they cancel each other out equally to nothing.

Quote from: Hanon on 2015.01.29, 00:25:03
Hi all,

I don´t have any scope. What can I test with just and ampmeter and a multimeter? Is there any possible test to do with just this equipment?

As for bucking coil concept a very simple example is what Garry Stanley used in his motor. He called it anti-lenz coil  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5911-garry-stanley-pulse-motor-2.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5911-garry-stanley-pulse-motor-2.html)

Quote from: Hanon on 2015.01.29, 00:25:03
I don´t have any scope. What can I test with just and ampmeter and a multimeter? Is there any possible test to do with just this equipment?

Quote from: Groundloop on 2015.01.29, 02:21:30
Chris,

I will try it tomorrow. It's 0330 at night now, and I need to sleep. :-)

GL.

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.01.29, 02:29:43
Hi all! First,I am realy glad to be here with you. It seem to be a place where people can share with respect.
@Hanon dont worry your not the only one! :) Until now i am testing with some multimeter and a ac/cd clamp meter for the amp... For shure it will not be full proof equipement (more hazardous at high frequency) but it can give a prety good idea if a modification improve the result! O0

I am testing the output of the partnered coil via a bridge rectifier and a 12v 1w incandescent bulb....  Chris does it is ok to rectify the output before the resistive load???

What i find until now is max volt and amp output on load is obtain when:

1-the right frequency is apply to the primary (or trigger coil) First small ferrite yoke from tv, primary: 100t/21awg  each partnered coil: 400t/30awg-------- is best output frequency: 223hz. The second bigger ferrite yoke, primary: 200t/21awg  each partnered coil: 600t/21awg----is best output frequency: 63hz.

2-paper and tape gap the 2 part of the yoke (around 3mm both end) it give to me near 15% more output.

3- the partnered coil connection. I dont know exactly why but for me the big difference is there... The first way Chris show (partnered connect in the middle and the output at the begining and end) did not give me a remarquable output. But the last one he show (yes i have try it before) give me a better output and some strange thing.

Until now i cant not say i have more out than in but i can say that at the right frequency the amps draw on the primary when the load is connected. :)
I have to find a way to lower my primary consuption...

ps: sorry for the mistake in my phrasing...  ...as you can see English is not my mother tong! ;)

Ciao!

Quote from: Aking.21 on 2015.01.29, 06:27:16
I did the same experiment with gyros 25 years ago and can confirm the demo is genuine:

Quote from: Aking.21 on 2015.01.29, 06:27:16
I did the same experiment with gyros 25 years ago and can confirm the demo is genuine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcks2fcpHUk

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.01.29, 02:38:40
To be much clear; my best connection output is the same as Groundloop. (maby it is because Chris is at the opposite part of the eart. ;D )

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2760.0;attach=16271;image

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.01.29, 12:15:23
Hi Jeg!
yes with now load connect to the output it is drawing more amp than when the connection is at both end with no load...
But it is the way it give me the more out vs in until now. Also to see the amps draw reduce when the load is connect only appear a near the right frequency. im not quite understand why?
Am still Learning and experimenting!
ciao!

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.28, 23:12:22
Hey Itsu,

I am sorry, I missed something! You said: "No vibration or humming anymore of the C-core halfs" - This is right, you should get exactly the "vibration or humming anymore of the C-core halfs" as you said!

I went back, watched your second video again and I did hear the Vibration, this is good! Sorry, I turned the Sound up more  :-[

In my first device that I stumbled onto these effects, see my output voltage across the coils:


My output Voltage was 10.5V

This may sound silly and trivial, but would you mind trying something for me, can you turn 20-30 turns of small AWG wire on the end coil, furthest away from the Input, and add a 1K resistor. Adjust the resistor down and see if this helps? maybe lowest say 20 Ohms.

I wonder if we are seeing an issue in the Core Material. I have seen this before and doing the above did help me.

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.28, 13:57:28
i = V/(R₁ + R₂ + 2π*f*L_T)

where L_T is the total combined inductance:
L_T = L₁ + L₂ – 2*k*(L₁*L₂)^0.5

The closer the coils are, the higher is their coefficient of coupling (k).  When coils are intertwined with each other in the same space then the their coefficient of coupling (k) is the highest (almost 1).
The higher the k, the lower their combined inductance (L_T), because coils are in opposition and their individual mutual inductances subtract.

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.28, 13:57:28
i = V/(R₁ + R₂ + 2π*f*L_T)

where L_T is the total combined inductance:
L_T = L₁ + L₂ – 2*k*(L₁*L₂)^0.5

The closer the coils are, the higher is their coefficient of coupling (k).  When coils are intertwined with each other in the same space then the their coefficient of coupling (k) is the highest (almost 1).
The higher the k, the lower their combined inductance (L_T), because coils are in opposition and their individual mutual inductances subtract.

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.28, 22:05:10
Yes, I saw a photo of this experiment. Wasn't this like 20 years ago?
Yes, that is very indicative of the propagation delay.
So what propagation speed did you get in ferrite cores?  I assume it was c in air ...which means GHz frequencies for centimeter distances :(

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.29, 15:34:40
You can't just add resistance R to an inductive reactance omega*L without including the imaginary operator j (some people use i) with the inductor to take account of the 90 degree phase between voltage and current there.  You can solve the 90 degree reactance triangle and use sqrt(R^2+(omega*L)^2).  So your first equation should be

i = V/sqrt{(R₁ + R₂)² + (2π*f*L_T)²}

Smudge

Quote from: Jeg on 2015.01.29, 15:57:51
That is true except if we are in resonance. Smudge, do you think that a theoritic prediction of the behavior is possible when the two bucking coils have same inductance but different wire gauge and turns?

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.29, 15:14:43
As i measured 0.24mA pp, i guess my k is "of"  somewhat.

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.29, 15:14:43
Should the load resistor (10 ohm) not being added into the mix?

Quote from: cheappower2012 on 2015.01.29, 08:15:09

Its been a while since I did research on Floyd Sweet,to me it looks like a very low tech device. When a device is very low tech,theres reluctance on the part of the inventor to release exact details to replicate it,due to fear of someone stealing it

Quote from: cheappower2012 on 2015.01.29, 08:15:09

I did find an account of two people acting like they wanted to help Floyd Sweet, then stole hes note book and contacted bud-dean-eee to see if he could replicate it. According to the article he told them to go way but kept the notebook. Greed aways factors in this

Quote from: cheappower2012 on 2015.01.29, 08:15:09

You can not make any money if the device is easy to make and low tech,nor can you patent it.

Quote from: cheappower2012 on 2015.01.29, 08:15:09

People like SM ,ran a con operation to make money,some people believe he didn't con anyone(LOL) or like Kapanadze charge for a demo.

Quote from: cheappower2012 on 2015.01.29, 08:15:09

Theres is a claim that the VTA loses weight when energy is draw,the more the load the greater the loss whats your thoughts on this.There is also a claim of cold coming from the wires conducting the current what are your thoughts on this.

Quote from: cheappower2012 on 2015.01.29, 08:15:09

Theres also talk of the device being started by a nine volt battery.

Quote from: cheappower2012 on 2015.01.29, 08:15:09

Was there any more videos made of the VTA. In the video on input measurements,how accurate are they,I ask this because you said the magnet conditioning concept started when Floyd met Bearden,how many other things did he fake,was this Floyd's idea or Beardens.

Quote from: cheappower2012 on 2015.01.29, 08:15:09

I don't view Floyd Sweet, in the sort of conman category as SM and Tariel Kapanadze.

Quote from: cheappower2012 on 2015.01.29, 08:15:09

How did you arrive at your present bucking coil configuration,is it possible its not quite correct but essentially correct in some aspects. How sure are you that your configuration is close to the one Floyd Sweet used.

I watched your video of how you concluded that the VTA must have had a core,very well thought out.

Quote from: cheappower2012 on 2015.01.29, 08:15:09

A few people conclude that presenting something is proof of concept,and get mad if it didn't work, they don't understand most things presented are theoretical concepts or guesses, as either the inventor is dead or the inventor is alive but will never give up the secret to make hes devices,you have to experiment to get around the inventor.

Quote from: Hanon on 2015.01.29, 09:28:32

In previous posts and other forums you said that loose coupling is mandatory. Later I understood as if there were two types of phenomena for getting this loose coupling: 1- you could gap the coils (distance between the coils) or,  2- you could gap the cores: create an air-gap or use plastic spacer between both cores (separation of both cores). I want to ask you what kind of these two possibilities have to be used , and also get some reference values of the coil gapping or core gapping (in millimeters)

Quote from: Hanon on 2015.01.29, 09:28:32

I will try to buy a cheap audio amplifier by internet in order to be able to test

Another question: I have some magnetic steel from old MOTs. Is it valid to do these tests or should I get ferrite cores?

IMHO it would be better for all of us if you could specify a basic device to start doing tests. By using all of us the same design we could share more easily our results and change parameters. With many different designs maybe what somebody gets is not possible to get those same results for other people´s design. A kind of "standard" is always good. Just my opinion.

Thanks

Quote from: Chet K on 2015.01.29, 09:37:04
while Tinsel is a member here,
he has some nice  tips as well as some thoughts [and a build in progress]
here
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435613/#new

thx for looking
Chet

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.29, 13:36:30
:o   sorry Chris, that first sentence, i have a hard time trying to understand what your are saying there.

I said that in this parallel setup i do not hear or feel any vibrations/sounds like with the normal serial setup,  to me that is not good,  right?


Also the last part  / request please explain what you want me to do.
Add an additional 20/30 turns to the farmost partner coil (put it in series)? Or wind another coil of 20/30 turns around that farmost coil?
Where to put that resistor?

Regards Itsu  

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.29, 15:13:31
I have produced some charts for two single turn loops that are coupled by lying on a common axis showing the mutual inductance varying with separation distance, and their combined series inductance in bucking mode.  Coils on ferrite rods should show similar variations with separation distance.  I also show the induced negative resistance when there is a magnetic propagation delay across the separation gap.  This indicates an optimum separation (for maximum negative resistance) of about half the diameter of the coils.  That optimum position stays the same regardless of the frequency or the delay, only the magnitude is determined by those.  Remember this is presented as a guide only, the actual position has to be found by experiment.

Smudge

Quote from: Matt Watts on 2015.01.29, 07:38:07
Do you mean the demo of Bill Alek's Split Flux Transformer or just his concept of Cooper Paired electrons?

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.29, 21:32:36
Ok,  i must be getting old as this is the 3rd post today where i must confess that i am confused.

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.29, 21:32:36

EMjunkie, please help me out here, in a normal partner coil (bucking coil) configuration, with perfect coils,
the voltage across a load resistor will normally be zero (0),   right?

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.29, 21:32:36

So the reason that my voltage over my 10 Ohm load resistor is low (220mV) is due to imperfect coils and is perfectly normal, right?

And you want me (us) to tune this partner coil (bucking coil) configuration in such a way that instead of the normal minimum voltage
there is maximum voltage, even so that it possible is more then what is being inputted,  right?

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.29, 21:32:36

This tuning is done by varying the distance between the partner coils and/or the distance of the core gap and varying the working frequency
so that the magnetic fields oppose and the E fields add up,  right?

Thanks a lot,   Regards Itsu

Quote from: Hanon on 2015.01.29, 22:53:35
Maybe you could find this link interesting

http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg434841/#msg434841 (http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg434841/#msg434841)

Regards

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.29, 23:15:13

i rewound one of the partner coils, its now the same direction as the other one.
I connected the leads so that again we are in bucking mode and redid the testing.
But still we have minimum voltage (24mV) across the load resistor :-(

Quote from: Propellanttech on 2015.01.30, 00:04:43

Does the direction of the drive coil, make a difference in this instance? I would figure it would.

Quote from: Matt Watts on 2015.01.30, 02:57:31
Something I'm dying to try, but I haven't a method to implement...

My big 7kW test generator has two separate 120 volt AC windings that can by connected in series for 240 volt AC output.  I have four wires here so I can also parallel these two windings for higher amperage 120 volt AC.  What I'd like to do is find a way to set these two windings up in bucking fashion with a slight (adjustable) phase offset between them and pulse the generator exciter winding to see what kind of response I get out.  If anyone has an idea how I can do this, please scratch out a quick schematic and I'll give it a try.  My outputs are all circuit breaker protected, so I'm not too worried about smoking anything.  I bought this generator specifically for this kind of testing.

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.29, 04:10:12
@ALL,

So to clarify, I hope to make a little clearer, I am sorry if it wasn't already, try both configurations. My previous Drawings did have slight errors in them, please check the new ones:

For those that are not familiar with the Right Hand Rule please watch this video: I like it!  :)

or

Just so you know, I have applied the Right Hand Rule slightly different, some will already know this, I use it as follows: Thumb in the Direction of the Magnetic Field, Fingers in the direction of the Charge in the Coil! It works the same way! Vectors are the same. Please see the attached picture for clarification!

Kind Regards

  Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
  To Reach New Horizons!
-------------------------------

Quote from: forest on 2015.01.30, 07:45:48
It's not enough. We also need a simple rule to find the direction of induced current in secondary and of course then apply it back to find the Lenz reaction on primary to confirm that in partnered output coils this influence is symmetricall and opposite so practically cancel. EMJunkie, do you have a simple rule to find it by hand ?

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.30, 08:05:59
EMF is Always the negative of the Primary Source!

Quote from: Propellanttech on 2015.01.30, 00:04:43
I do have a question......

Does the direction of the drive coil, make a difference in this instance? I would figure it would.

Itsu, have you tried flipping the drive coil only? Just a question.....

I may just be asking for my own knowledge.

James

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.30, 03:11:35
Hey Itsu,

I watched your Video, It is really hard to say what's going on! I wish I was there.

Do you have another Ferrite Core?

QuoteWhat's your Voltage across one of the Coils? Each Partnered Output Coil measured separately?

QuoteThere is definitely issues there, when its right you should get much more voltage than you have!

QuoteMaybe take the core right out?

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.29, 22:43:12
Hey Itsu,

Its not easy to understand! So no, not just you, I have been there! Sometimes I still have to really think what's going on!

QuoteEMjunkie, please help me out here, in a normal partner coil (bucking coil) configuration, with perfect coils,
the voltage across a load resistor will normally be zero (0),   right?

For AC Output with a Resistive Load, Output should be V*I and Phase Angle should be = 0. It should be pure power.

QuoteYes, there is something wrong with your Coils/Core. I think either the Coils or the Core are being Choked off.

Please wait till your New Coils come and we will run tests.

QuoteYes, and also connecting the Coils such that the Output Voltage and Current is in Phase, not Cancelling.

QuoteCan you separate your Coils or are they on one Former?

Quote from: forest on 2015.01.30, 07:45:48
It's not enough. We also need a simple rule to find the direction of induced current in secondary and of course then apply it back to find the Lenz reaction on primary to confirm that in partnered output coils this influence is symmetricall and opposite so practically cancel. EMJunkie, do you have a simple rule to find it by hand ?

Quote from: TinMan on 2015.01.30, 14:00:13
Quote post 23-->Do you have any coils presently built up that exhibit COP >1?
Answer EMJ post 26-->Yes, I am not yet prepared to show my current results as it will confuse and shadow the existing configuration and no one will learn the basics first.

???
Are we any closer to seeing this COP> EMJ?
You believe those here do not know the basics of inductor operations?
Do you know how many times we have been lead up the garden path with this cry-->OU
Do you know how much combined time(and cash) has been wasted by members here,only to have the claimant disappear when it came time to show the good's?.

One would think if you had an OU device,you would be happy to share and show it-->just so as you could put the guru's in there place.

I believe I'm looking at another such thread ^-^

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.30, 15:21:53
If it were possible to have coil resistance lower than the induced negative value we would have self-oscillation. :).

Quote from: TinMan on 2015.01.30, 15:48:13
Quote smudge-What I did could have been done by anyone over the last 100 years or so but no one took the simple step of applying a magnetic delay to the coupling factor in the classical formula for coupled coils.

Maybe a delay line like the below?.

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.30, 16:00:49
I believe that EMJ has lots of evidence that there is something special about bucking coils and he is absolutely correct there.  I also believe that he has evidence that such coils yield anomalous energy.  I suspect that any measurements he may have showing absolute OU (more out than in) may not have been done correctly, but that doesn't concern me.  His years of experimenting has opened up a legitimate avenue of exploration that must be followed since it offers a route to OU.

My argument is this.  For years it has been accepted fact that magnetic propagation delay, velocity, viscosity, call it what you will, is a cause of loss.  This loss is assumed to go to heat the core.  However as far as I know there has never been any calorific measurements to validate that assumption.  Certainly you can see how that velocity changes the BH loop to create anticlockwise behaviour which represents loss.  And you can think of domain wall movement or domain rotation being slowed by friction, but that is just a concept.  There is no real evidence for where the lost energy goes, and it is quite possible that it dissipates into the virtual particles of space, it disappears into the quantum world.

What is now apparent is the fact that in certain magnetic arrangements the presence of magnetic delay creates energy, not loses energy.  Bucking coils is but one arrangement.  A capacitively loaded transformer is another.  And there could be more.  So it is possible that this energy is transduced in from the virtual particles of space, from the quantum world.  I think that possibility should be actively explored, don't you?  I am grateful to EMJ for revealing this possibility.

Smudge

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.30, 16:10:39
Why don't you calculate the correct coil parameters and guide Itsu through their build, positioning and  measurements.
He has magnet wire, ferrite cores, a 0-100MHz signal generator that can be easily hacked up tp 200Mhz, RF amplifier, 2 scopes, power supplies, etc... and skills.

A tunnel diode also has negative resistance but it takes more energy to create it.

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.30, 16:57:16
The EMJ arrangement is not for a closed magnetic circuit, but for coils on a ferrite rod as shown here.  

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.30, 16:57:16
If Itsu could tell me the sizes and characteristics of any ferrite rods he can lay his hand on I'll gladly do some calculations, simulations etc. to see whether it is worth going down this avenue.  My gut feeling is we could need some exotic magnetic material like the Metglas that has 10⁶ permeability.

Quote from: Propellanttech on 2015.01.30, 17:26:35
This means the turn direction is different, and the linear direction is different.

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.30, 17:51:28
This just does not matter with even number of forward and back advanced CW layers, because the longitudinal currents cancel.
With odd number of layers the  longitudinal current can be significant, especially in a toroid where circumferential advancement winding direction is not altered every other layer.

Quote from: Propellanttech on 2015.01.30, 17:59:31
Would you define "longitudinal currents" to insure I understand your reasoning?

Quote from: JL Naudin link=http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm
...in a common toroidal coil, each layer is equal to a "one turn coil" whose axis is parallel to the axis of the toroid. So, one layer of toroidal coil is equal to a flat coil of one turn and thus it can tap or produce EMF outside the torus.

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.30, 19:05:46
It is the component of current flowing parallel to solenoid's axis or parallel to toroid's major circumference.

Quote from: Propellanttech on 2015.01.30, 19:28:15
Ok, so we are talking electrical current....and nothing more..

Quote from: Chet K on 2015.01.30, 19:12:43
Smudge
Quote
My gut feeling is we could need some exotic magnetic material like the Metglas that has 106 permeability.
----------------------------------------------------------

perhaps we Place a budget on this so as to get the best possible material To itsu for testing?

Or someone has another suggestion?
thx
Chet

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.30, 17:35:38
I was referring to the experimental verification of your negative resistance analysis.  I don't remember you writing that it is limited to non-closed magnetic paths.
@Itsu
If you could measure the inductance of some of your cores with your inductance meter and measure their sizes (dimensions in mm) then this should give Smudge all he needs (except for the saturation levels).  Don't forget to let him know with how many turns you had measured the inductance.

...and one question from me: What is the diameter of your largest pot core?

Quote from: Jeg on 2015.01.30, 09:57:55

As i told you in a previous post i had made an arrangement with two cw ccw bucking coils and a diode in between them and a feedback coil like in Meyer and Jensen setup. This setup was able to charge in an instant a capacitor at about 1.4KV. But, Inter-turn arcing made me rewind my secondaries with some tape insulation between layers. In my new bucking coils i used 0.6mm magnet wire at 234 turns while in my previous setup i had used a 0.8mm wire at 200T.

What is your guess guys about my new output voltage from secondaries? Has it be at a higher or at lower voltage levels? What it has to be expected? Long story short, what i faced was a lower voltage at a level of 200V!!! Seems to me that thicker wire produces higher voltage even with less turns! What is your explanation on this?

In a quick try to explain this preliminary result, seems to me that the less ohmic resistance at the bucking coils setup, allows more current to flow inside them, building this way quicker an opposed magnetic field to the primary source, and producing this way higher E-fields after the summation of which give a higher voltage at the output. Keep in mind that my primary source are short in time pulses from a mosfet.

Itsu, if you like try also to wind your secondaries with thicker wire to see if you have a different result. Also try one gap in your C cores and not two!! It seems that works better if Magnetic flux is delayed from one side only and not symmetrical in relation with your output bucking coils.  

Quote from: TinMan on 2015.01.30, 14:00:13
Quote post 23-->Do you have any coils presently built up that exhibit COP >1?
Answer EMJ post 26-->Yes, I am not yet prepared to show my current results as it will confuse and shadow the existing configuration and no one will learn the basics first.

???
Are we any closer to seeing this COP> EMJ?
You believe those here do not know the basics of inductor operations?
Do you know how many times we have been lead up the garden path with this cry-->OU
Do you know how much combined time(and cash) has been wasted by members here,only to have the claimant disappear when it came time to show the good's?.

One would think if you had an OU device,you would be happy to share and show it-->just so as you could put the guru's in there place.


I believe I'm looking at another such thread ^-^

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.30, 09:34:12

But still its only some hundreds of microWatts
Point is (my question), it normally should be 0 in bucking mode, so this looks to me as normal behaviour (without having your special effect),  right?

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.30, 20:32:08
For anyone interested in (a) math modelling of core characteristics or (b) magnetic domain modelling of transformers here is a reduced report with all the proprietary information removed. 

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.30, 22:29:13
@Tinman,

I am sorry you feel this way. In my time, I have seen many hundreds of Videos, many people come forward with good data, to show what?

A Device that runs itself and lights a load...

The first thing that the Critics say is: "Hoax", then "Measurement Error", then after that if they still need to, they claim its already known principals and its borrowing energy from the Power Lines or Local Radio Station.... I am not going down this path! I have seen Akula so many times get slammed against the brick wall of stupidity! No one listens and so many claim they know better!

Quote from: T-1000 on 2015.01.30, 23:26:27
In the second video you get additional tertiary coils making resonant LC circuit (the caps on the side are 0.001uF 600V) from induced current on secondary coils with the 36V 60W incandescent bulbs.

Quote from: T-1000 on 2015.01.30, 23:26:27
Also the primary coil got my attention in way it is winded with the crossover section. The winding in figure "8" seems interesting from magnetic perspective and how magnetic field gets aligned there.

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.30, 23:19:26
I used 2 different scopes (one ungrounded)

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.31, 02:54:05
The Owon is still grounded through the mains neutral wire.
If you want to have a truly ungrounded scope then you must use a 1:1 mains isolation transformer.

Quote from: TinMan on 2015.01.31, 04:33:18
I tried a mains isolation transformer with mine,and some how the inductive coupling within the isolation transformer still plays havoc-It's not a true isolation as such. I now use a UPS,and run it on batteries only(disconected from the mains),and this has removed any coupling to the neutral in the mains O0

Quote from: Matt Watts on 2015.01.30, 08:27:15

You mean CEMF or BEMF don't you?

Quote from: Matt Watts on 2015.01.30, 08:27:15

My theory on these sort of devices is that we are creating a transformer that in some respects behaves as a magnetic diode.  The simplest way to know if you may have something is to flip the primary and secondary; pump your source into the secondary and see if it acts like a dead short, where nothing comes out of the primary.  If it does this when reversed, but not when you push power through it normally, you're probably on to something.  I will say from some experience, tuning this kind of device takes some thought in regards to magnetic reluctance--seeing in your mind where the flux would prefer to go.  Then you test and see if you are correct.  It's an iterative process with lots of twists and turns that you will learn a lot from by doing.  When you get the current in the secondary to act like the current flowing in the copper pipe in this video, you'll have it licked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keMpUaoA3Tg

Think about the part in this video where he keeps flipping the pipe while the magnet falls, holding the magnet inside.  That's what you want.  You provide the change in polarity and the magnet does all the work on the load.

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.30, 15:21:53
I have a different view about this thing.  I have shown that a pair of coils in series bucking mode will exhibit an induced negative resistance (i.e. a source of energy) if there is a magnetic propagation delay across the gap between the coils.  And for coils wound on cores there will be a delay because the velocity of propagation in the core is significantly lower than light velocity.  So the core itself is the key component that somehow supplies this power.  If you use air cores separated by an air gap there is no anomaly.

The anomalous power will show up if you simply connect a generator to the coils and include a load resistor.  The power into that resistor will be greater than it should be because of the energy supplied by that magnetic arrangement.  However because the induced negative resistor is likely swamped by the coil losses it is difficult to get a handle on what the power would be without that anomalous source.  If it were possible to have coil resistance lower than the induced negative value we would have self-oscillation. :).  So it is not necessary to think about transformers.

IMO EMJ's transformer is just a method of inducing current into that coil arrangement.  The direction of induced current in the secondary is what you would get for a normal transformer.  And that creates flux that causes the primary to draw load current so that the two currents (pri and sec) almost cancel with regard to flux generation.  I say almost because there remains in the primary the small magnetizing current at 90 degrees to the load current and that supplies the working flux needed for the transformer action.  There will also be a current associated with flux leakage, i.e. flux created in the primary that does not get to the secondary.  Because the special magnetic arrangement of the secondary is supplying some power, the in-phase load current in the primary is smaller than it would be otherwise, but there is nothing special about its direction.

EMJ talks about the primary and secondary current providing complete cancellation, but that is wrong, it is only the in-phase currents that do that.  In any transformer there is always a small magnetizing current in the primary at 90 degrees to the load current.  This is not a criticism of EMJ, he has spent years experimenting and discovered something special about bucking coils and is doing his best at explaining what it is.  Had he not started this thread I would not have looked into the theory to discover where the anomaly exists.  What I did could have been done by anyone over the last 100 years or so but no one took the simple step of applying a magnetic delay to the coupling factor in the classical formula for coupled coils.  Had they done so science would have progressed beyond where we are now.

Smudge

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.28, 23:12:22

This may sound silly and trivial, but would you mind trying something for me, can you turn 20-30 turns of small AWG wire on the end coil, furthest away from the Input, and add a 1K resistor. Adjust the resistor down and see if this helps? maybe lowest say 20 Ohms.

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.30, 16:00:49
I believe that EMJ has lots of evidence that there is something special about bucking coils and he is absolutely correct there.  I also believe that he has evidence that such coils yield anomalous energy.  I suspect that any measurements he may have showing absolute OU (more out than in) may not have been done correctly, but that doesn't concern me.  His years of experimenting has opened up a legitimate avenue of exploration that must be followed since it offers a route to OU.

My argument is this.  For years it has been accepted fact that magnetic propagation delay, velocity, viscosity, call it what you will, is a cause of loss.  This loss is assumed to go to heat the core.  However as far as I know there has never been any calorific measurements to validate that assumption.  Certainly you can see how that velocity changes the BH loop to create anticlockwise behaviour which represents loss.  And you can think of domain wall movement or domain rotation being slowed by friction, but that is just a concept.  There is no real evidence for where the lost energy goes, and it is quite possible that it dissipates into the virtual particles of space, it disappears into the quantum world.

What is now apparent is the fact that in certain magnetic arrangements the presence of magnetic delay creates energy, not loses energy.  Bucking coils is but one arrangement.  A capacitively loaded transformer is another.  And there could be more.  So it is possible that this energy is transduced in from the virtual particles of space, from the quantum world.  I think that possibility should be actively explored, don't you?  I am grateful to EMJ for revealing this possibility.

Smudge

Quote from: Propellanttech on 2015.01.30, 17:26:35
EMJ and All

I was thinking last night as I lie in bed......what I thought were bucking coils, are not bucking coils.  Please follow me on this.

I thought a bucking coil is wound opposite from all the instances I've seen (schematics). This means the turn direction is different, and the linear direction is different.

EMJ's pictures of bucking coils are wound "mirrored". The turn direction is the same, but the linear direction is different.

This confuses me for a few reasons. First, I can't test myself at the moment, so I can't "see" what is happening. Second, the right hand rule is somewhat skewed when a coil is wound "mirrored" at least in my mind.

Is everyone winding their coils for this test in the "mirrored" fashion?

Itsu's reply made me think, this is not CW or CCW winding........these are mirrored windings and they are different, they are all one direction.

Itsu,

Just changing the end the SG is connected to, should change the direction without having to physically flip the coil. It was a suggestion.......not that it will make any difference.

James

Quote from: Propellanttech on 2015.01.30, 17:59:31

Also, I do think it makes a difference. The closer the layer, the more induced magnetic field the winding will give or receive. The first layer is going to have a greater effect than the second and so forth. But all the layers going in the same direction would be optimum......but not on topic at this moment.

Quote from: NerzhDishual on 2015.01.30, 19:02:08
Hi Hyiq,

Sorry,  I have not yet read the entire thread.

A couple of years ago, I had successfully reproduced this JL Naudin experiment:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/bifvsbuk.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/bifvsbuk.htm)

In this case it was "Partnered Input Coils".
The results were interesting and informative indeed.
But, IMO, this experiment did lead to nothing 'tangible'.

So, your idea of using the partnered ('bucking') coils as output is, IMO, very clever and creative. O0

I would have one idea. As you know, a resonant parallel circuit consumes practically nothing.
This simulation shows this:

(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Paral-Res.jpg)


The source is giving about 4mA alternative but in the capacitor it flows more than 300mA.
Of course, according to conventional thinking you can do nothing with this.
As soon as you try to "load" the circuit with conventional stuff (a 'normal' trafo for ex),
the effect vanish and Mr Lenz is right. :'(

But, according to your previous experiments, I will bet that it will not be the case with your
"special" trafo!

So my proposed experiment:
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Proposed_CCT_for_Bucking_Coils.jpg)

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.30, 19:05:46
It is the component of current flowing parallel to solenoid's axis or parallel to toroid's major circumference.
There is even a US5565835 (http://www.google.com/patents/US5565835) patent dealing with this problem.

Quote from: Chet K on 2015.01.30, 19:12:43
Smudge
Quote
My gut feeling is we could need some exotic magnetic material like the Metglas that has 106 permeability.
----------------------------------------------------------

perhaps we Place a budget on this so as to get the best possible material To itsu for testing?

Or someone has another suggestion?
thx
Chet

Quote from: forest on 2015.01.30, 19:20:00
I bet there is missing something  ??? Something fundamental about Lenz law  ^-^

Quote from: Chet K on 2015.01.30, 20:26:56
Smudge quote
Well I have been looking back at measurements taken on a magnetic delay transformer.  Unfortunately these are not my measurements and I do not have the right to publish details, a private company paid for the work and owns the proprietary rights.  But I can tell you that the velocity of magnetic propagation was 3.88x106m/s.  This was a large 3F4 ferrrite ring core (see picture) so if we had one of those we have a starting point for calculations.  I can also admit that this particular core exhibited anomalous results at 14MHz which is within Itsu's measurement capability.  And I have a math model for the 3F4 permeability values real and imaginary so creating spreadsheet simulations is a doddle.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Smudge

I am quite certain we can acquire what we need to move forward
we have members here that will assist financially.and others that are amazing at getting what we need from existing discarded items [Old High end HF test equip might suffice here ?


Respectfully

Chet

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.30, 20:32:08
For anyone interested in (a) math modelling of core characteristics or (b) magnetic domain modelling of transformers here is a reduced report with all the proprietary information removed.  Enjoy O0

Smudge

Quote from: szaxx on 2015.01.30, 21:52:50
Hi all,
Ignoring any losses from a 'standard' viewpoint, has anyone placed a ring of copper (single turn short circuit) centrally  on the magnetic medium and looked for a delay, aka shaded pole characteristics? It works advantageously in motors, perhaps the delay measurement can be utilised in a phase calculation for a specific frequency to work from.
Just a thought...

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.28, 23:12:22

This may sound silly and trivial, but would you mind trying something for me, can you turn 20-30 turns of small AWG wire on the end coil, furthest away from the Input, and add a 1K resistor. Adjust the resistor down and see if this helps? maybe lowest say 20 Ohms.

Quote from: Propellanttech on 2015.01.30, 22:42:55
Chris,

Unfortunately there are people that try to perpetuate hoaxes. I can show you hundreds on YouTube. There is one guy that does nothing but perpetuate hoaxes on his YouTube channel. Now in the defense of the guy, he never claims anything.......just makes videos (veproject1).

That is one of the problems, people who are dishonest. They make some people think everyone is dishonest.

I didn't say there are no valid people on YouTube, but how do you weed out hoaxes without trying every single experiment?  That would take more than a lifetime.

James

Quote from: Farmhand on 2015.01.30, 22:47:31
The first thing a sane person says when looking at Akula's video's is. Why is it not possible he is faking it, looks like plenty of room for two "D" cell batteries there, the core piece he uses as a bridge could complete the circuit to charge the capacitors from the pair of hidden batteries. Simple.

We have no reason I can see to suspect anything but a faking. If your not a critic then your open for duping.

When we watch a magician make a bird appear do we immediately believe he created a bird or do we err towards reality and just accept it is a trick without needing to try to "create a bird" ourselves?

..

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.30, 23:19:26
I changed out the core for another one coming from a flyback transformer
I used 2 different scopes (one ungrounded) to measure input and output voltages, but still the bucking output is low (220mV), no abnormalities seen.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8kPvZK415w&feature=youtu.be

Next, waiting for new separate (partner) coils for which the distance between them can be varied.


Regards Itsu  

Quote from: T-1000 on 2015.01.30, 23:26:27
Before going to Hendershot style device there is something to be understood for everyone:

In the second video you get additional tertiary coils making resonant LC circuit (the caps on the side are 0.001uF 600V) from induced current on secondary coils with the 36V 60W incadescent bulbs.
As my own opinion - when the Lenz force from secondary coils is forced to induce current on the side LC circuit the power consumption drops. The induction from primary cannot reach tertiary coils and they are isolated from primary. When LC circuit goes back on discharge cycle it induces current back on secondary coil which has bulb on. So instead of fully fighting primary coil and saturating its core you have energy recycling part within LC circuit on resonant condition. And it also functions as bucking coils so there is win-win situation... :)
Also the primary coil got my attention in way it is winded with the crossover section. The winding in figure "8" seems interesting from magnetic perspective and how magnetic field gets aligned there.

Cheers!

Quote from: Matt Watts on 2015.01.31, 00:22:55
So T, those two brown components are capacitors correct, not resistors?

And the signal input is a relatively simple DC pulse generator correct?

Looks very easy to replicate with some basic core material.

Thanks for sharing this.   O0

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.31, 08:41:14
I view this "longitudinal currents" as the A Vector Potential that is on the outside of the core.
Verpies, if I am incorrect please correct me.

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.30, 22:29:13
@Tinman,

I am sorry you feel this way. In my time, I have seen many hundreds of Videos, many people come forward with good data, to show what?

A Device that runs itself and lights a load...

The first thing that the Critics say is: "Hoax", then "Measurement Error", then after that if they still need to, they claim its already known principals and its borrowing energy from the Power Lines or Local Radio Station.... I am not going down this path! I have seen Akula so many times get slammed against the brick wall of stupidity! No one listens and so many claim they know better!

Now, can you build this device and make it work? Can anyone except the builder?

Do you know the underlying principals?

Do you have someone helping you build such devices? Oh wait, you do!

Why would you think and expect to finish at the starting line when you're not prepared to Start at the Start? I don't understand this!

Yes, I agree, many times people have been led down what may be seen as the Garden Path, but because of frustration, the view that one is not getting anywhere, through being hounded to the point of out right insanity, and also simply because of time issues, as I have seen, I have a family and a Business I am trying to look after and run at the same time as trying to post information, create graphics, documents and all the other stuff I have done.... Videos... I believe many good people, with legitimate devices, have shared information and then given up in frustration!

So maybe an open mind, if you learn a few things from what I am sharing, is it not worth a few dollars? I am not asking you to spend ridiculous amounts of money! Most all here will already have the materials! For example, Itsu, how much have you spent? $10?

The Information I have shared with everyone works! Period! If its not working, then someone has either got it wrong, or their understanding of what the goal is has not been realised by that individual yet. Thus, why I am trying to help!

IMPORTANT: I try not to use the Term "Bucking Coils" because technically this is not the only configuration that works!

Although, this is what the coils do actually do in all modes of configuration!

Now, its my daughters Birthday today, I am going to spend some time with her and the rest of the family. I am sorry to others that have posted and that I have not responded to yet, I will get to them tomorrow.

Kind Regards

  Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
  To Reach New Horizons!
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Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.30, 21:05:15
See the below picture for the ferrite rods i presently have, they are:

2x   ferrite rod  20x200mm        8t = 18uH @10Khz
4x   ferrite rod  10/8.5x200mm  8t = 9uH @ 10Khz     (rod is not round,  has 2 flat sides)
6x   ferrite rod   8/7x50mm       8t = 4.7uH @10Khz  (   "        "               "          "      )

2x Pot cores  47mm diameter

I still have the metglass tape pieces from Smudge, 2x  40mm by 8m.

Regards Itsu

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.31, 09:15:50
@Matt and T-1000

They could be caps, I personally think that they could also be Resistors, in one video they look like Caps however, as the Time delay in the propagating wave would be delayed too much if it were LC resonant.

Kind Regards

  Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
  To Reach New Horizons!
-------------------------------

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.31, 11:36:36
Hi Itsu, could you please check those inductance measurements and/or the number of turns.  They don't stack up against theoretical calculations.  

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.31, 02:54:05
The Owon is still grounded through the mains neutral wire.
If you want to have a truly ungrounded scope then you must use a 1:1 mains isolation transformer.

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.31, 13:17:46
@Itsu

I will help him if you double the number of turns (to 16t) and remeasure the inductances.

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.31, 15:10:43
Ok,  redid the L measurement on the 20x200mm rod using 16 turns now, in the middle i measure now 59uH, at either end 30uH  (@ 10khz)

short video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZer32ZAvyg&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.31, 15:09:25
but does not show any Ohm reading (MOhm) compared to either power lugs.

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.30, 21:53:08



What do you think the Partnered Output (Bucking) Coils DO? Where Could Excess Current be? How is the Voltage related?

Kind Regards

  Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
  To Reach New Horizons!
-------------------------------

QuoteIf you pursue the conception a bit further you will think about mixing the two
non conventional parts : Partnered Output Coils and Cap-Coil....

You will find out that this ends up with things that look like Akula and Kapanadze
apparently strange contraptions.

But I'm off topic.... Lips Sealed

All the Best,
Jean

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.31, 09:04:50
@Itsu,

Can you please DC Pulse your Input with 10V

Just via a Fett with good protection Diode and then post Scope shot of Output wave?

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
-------------------------------

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.31, 10:25:31
No, this is just an parallel current to the ordinary toroidal current (or solenoidal current).
If you did a vector analysis of this longitudinal or circumferential current, then you would come up with an A field that is associated with it, too.

Quote from: Matt Watts on 2015.01.31, 10:19:51
Maybe Centraflow can help us with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yT1B7ivgEg

(https://5rksiq.bl3301.livefilestore.com/y2mbtl1fluYYOI7KaakfZ00rt4KJODvt2simYVwMbYh1QVENtqLK_zTDdOdtEvqcplbzzk9vjFTfbdcbRMqY2gpE_5ryglXn1yfZQYLXPkF3COnhMMRKcKNK8FBW0rWbu8hc69BgSAJgcyQrZhMFE8XHQ/inversor%20con%20el%204017.jpg?psid=1)

Quote from: TinMan on 2015.01.31, 10:55:16
I always keep an open mind Chris,but sometimes threads just get dragged out for so long,and then the claimant just up and disappears.
Happy B/day to your daughter-one day before mine O0
Might put together an experiment myself here,and see how we go--time permitting.

Quote from: T-1000 on 2015.01.31, 11:42:06
Roman mentioned about them in first video. They are Russian made caps... ;)
With resistrors you would not get such good assisting effect. Also the whole transformer and frequency is tuned according to the load.
The automatic frequency tuning circuit would have great advantage here and for bigger version you can have very cheap heating of your homes.

P.S> Roman also said you can destroy ferrites if you overtune it. This is similar effect to my Lithuanian Yoke experiment..

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.31, 15:31:35
Right, now listen up!!  I have just done a FEMM simulation for Itsu's large ferrite rod 200 mm long by 20mm diameter.  I have assumed the ferrite to be like 3F4 with a mu of 900 and a velocity of propagation of 3.88x10⁸m/S.  I have placed on this core two coils each of 100 turns of 1 mm magnet wire, that is 10 layers of 10 turns per layer.  The coils are 10 mm in length and extend out 10 mm from the core surface.  The gap between the cores is 60 mm so their mean separation (center to center) is 70 mm.  That represents a time delay from one coil to the other of 18nS.  My simulation tells me the inductance of each coil is 541uH and the mutual inductance is 183uH.  Thus the coils connected in series opposing should give 715uH and FEMM confirms this when I set that up (see image).  Now using that mutual inductance figure and the equation for induced negative R in my paper R=-omegaL₁₂sin(phi) where phi is the phase delay I get the following results.

frequency   omega   phase   Neg R
1.00E+03   6.28E+03   1.13E-04   2.61E-04
1.00E+04   6.28E+04   1.13E-03   2.61E-02
1.00E+05   6.28E+05   1.13E-02   2.61E+00
1.00E+06   6.28E+06   1.13E-01   2.61E+02
1.00E+07   6.28E+07   1.13E+00   2.09E+04

Considering the coils have a DCR of only 0.176 Ohms this suggests that we should get self oscillation at 100kHz.  I can't believe it is that easy.  Of course the AC resistance of the coils will be higher and I have not taken account of core losses.  Also there could be reflections from the ends of the core coming into play.  But the gap is not optimised, I just used 60 mm as a starting point.  I think this does illustrate the potential this approach has for getting OU.

Smudge
             

Quote from: Jeg on 2015.01.31, 16:49:56
Dear Chris
I already have corrected my above post cause I announced a false conclusion on the relation between high voltage and number of turns. A new inter turn arcing affected my result and conclusions. But I corrected it in my new setup and I had some time to make some more improvements. Check this video, to see what happens with partnered coils at high frequencies. A raw radiant energy extraction takes place. The philosophy behind your ideas can also be found at Daniel's mac farland cook patent, and also at Carlos Benitez ideas.

At my opinion the idea is this. As you correctly has stated we have to keep a continues current flowing inside the coils while the same time to make a high tension at the middle of the coils magnetically speaking... The extra charges we get at the output are coming straight from the core material itself. Core, catches the extra charges from the environment during the off activity period between each cycle.
Thanks again Chris!  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AtYEz6PrKs&feature=youtu.be

Quote from: NerzhDishual on 2015.01.31, 16:58:30
Hi EMJunkie,

Thanks for your feedback.
Perhaps this kind of circuit could be worth to be tested:

(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Colprit-for-Bucking-Coils-v2.jpg)

It is not 'OU', of course, with a normal coil...
But with added non conventional Partnered Output Coils ?

For the moment, I have not the time to test this because I'm presently studying another "partnered" idea. :)

The main 'inspiration' is to use conventional circuits, notably those who give resonance, with non
conventional components.

Not a 'normal' transfo but a modified one. You see what I mean.
Not a 'normal' capacitor but a modified one: a Cap-Coil, Coil-Cap, InduCap, etc...
BTW, I 'stole' this idea from Vladimir Utkin.
Explanations here:

(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Cap-Coil-explanations.jpg)

If you pursue the conception a bit further you will think about mixing the two
non conventional parts : Partnered Output Coils and Cap-Coil....

You will find out that this ends up with things that look like Akula and Kapanadze
apparently strange contraptions.

But I'm off topic.... :-X

All the Best,
Jean

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.31, 17:28:07
Ok  using an IRFP260N MOSFET driven by a UCC37321 MOSFET driver driven by my FG.
10V on the Drain of the MOSFET, 12V from a separate PS for the MOSFET driver.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEXb4yEEiWA&feature=youtu.be

At the lowest frequencies (40Hz), there is a spiky signal of about 2Vpp on the load resistor across the partner coils.

Regards Itsu

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.01.31, 20:28:12
@Itsu,

Nice Work!

Can you put a Current probe on your output to sense Resistor Current please.

Then if you compare the Input Voltage and Current against the Output V and I.

You can get rid of the spike via normal methods, but I like to feed the spike back into the Partnered output Coil in this configuration.

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
-------------------------------

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.31, 16:39:24
and how much current does your Tek current-probe* show on a connection between the Owon's BNC shield, your signal generator and one of the Owons' power lugs ?

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* or your Tek scope across a 10Ω CSR

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.31, 22:03:42
Sorry,   that does not compute with me.  With AC Signal Generator you mean the Rigol?  And if so, where to connect, also a BNC shield?

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.01.31, 21:51:59

Chris,   not sure you are gonna like this, but there could be a measurement problem in the input as i had to measure the voltage compared to ground, not only across the input coil.

I measured first only the output, then only the input to avoid ground loops (using 1 scope).

See the first drawing for the input scope points;  voltage across the top of the input coil compared to ground, so including the MOSFET.
If measuring across the input coil only i would kind of short out the MOSFET due to the FG return lead which is also grounded.

2e picture is the input screenshot, as the current controller was set to 1A/div. the current and the power should be taken times 100, see the red squared boxes

3th picture is the screenshot of the output voltage / current across the 10 Ohm resistor.     Current controller was set to 100mA/div. so current and power needs to be taken x10 as seen in the red squared boxes again.

So input = 1.7W,  output 4.9mW.

Still some way to go.

Regards Itsu

Quote from: TinMan on 2015.01.31, 23:36:55
Conrad at OU had some interesting results yesterday O0

Quote:  I did again the test of the coil with both parts of the secondary (H2 + H3) connected in parallel with R2. The resistor R1 (input) should be in the right place this time:

10 Vpp sine wave from function generator, 2 khZ

Vh = 3.04 V
Vt = 3.28 V
Vr = 3.28 - 3.04 = 0.24 V
I = 0.24 / 100 = 0.0024
Ɵ = 17°
Watt through the primary H1 (input) = 0.0024 * 0.24 * cos(17°) = 0.55 mW
V0 = 0.38
Io = 0.38 / 100 = 0.0038
Watt through R2 (output) = 0.38 * 0.0038 = 1.4 mW

Result: input of 0.55 mW through primary H1 results in an output from the partnered secondary (H2 + H3) through R2 of 1.4  mW.

As you might have noticed, it seems to be an OU result. This stems from the rather high Voltage over the primary of 3.04 Volt. This means that the primary H1 has a much higher resistance (impedance) than the 100 Ohm shunt R1.

The Voltage (RMS) over (R1 + H1) is 3.28 Volt, which means that the Voltage drop over the shunt has become very small i.e. 0.24 Volt, indicating that very little current is running from the function generator into the primary circuit.

In the "normal transformer" situation, the current through the primary circuit is about 10 times higher, due to the very low resistance (impedance) of the primary. The resistance of the 100 Ohm shunt R1 is much higher than the resistance (impedance) of the coil H1 in the "normal transformer situation" (see here http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg436051/#msg436051 ).

I do not understand the measurement, there probably is a measuring error which I can not identify at the moment.

More tests are needed, please do not get excited. I am not an expert and the chance is very high that I made a stupid error.

Would be great if someone else (may be TinselKoala) could make a similar replication. I will switch to the audio amplifier to get a higher input, but it will take time, my free time is limited in the next week.

As I recall, EMJunkie was writing about very little current through the Primary if the secondary is in a bucking configuration. And my last measurements (checked and rechecked) show exactly that. The error is not in my numbers, it must be in the measurement set up.

Quote from: Chet K on 2015.02.01, 02:28:46
Chris
That is Conrad's work from your thread at OU.com [today]
Conrad has done a tremendous amount of quality work over there
in your thread and on this project.
some of it here
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/660/#.VM2QkWd0xkg

TinMan placed it here for review.  O0

Chet

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.01.31, 15:31:35
Right, now listen up!!  I have just done a FEMM simulation for Itsu's large ferrite rod 200 mm long by 20mm diameter.  I have assumed the ferrite to be like 3F4 with a mu of 900 and a velocity of propagation of 3.88x10⁸m/S.  I have placed on this core two coils each of 100 turns of 1 mm magnet wire, that is 10 layers of 10 turns per layer.  The coils are 10 mm in length and extend out 10 mm from the core surface.  The gap between the cores is 60 mm so their mean separation (center to center) is 70 mm.  That represents a time delay from one coil to the other of 18nS.  My simulation tells me the inductance of each coil is 541uH and the mutual inductance is 183uH.  Thus the coils connected in series opposing should give 715uH and FEMM confirms this when I set that up (see image).  Now using that mutual inductance figure and the equation for induced negative R in my paper R=-omegaL₁₂sin(phi) where phi is the phase delay I get the following results.

frequency   omega   phase   Neg R
1.00E+03   6.28E+03   1.13E-04   2.61E-04
1.00E+04   6.28E+04   1.13E-03   2.61E-02
1.00E+05   6.28E+05   1.13E-02   2.61E+00
1.00E+06   6.28E+06   1.13E-01   2.61E+02
1.00E+07   6.28E+07   1.13E+00   2.09E+04

Considering the coils have a DCR of only 0.176 Ohms this suggests that we should get self oscillation at 100kHz.  I can't believe it is that easy.  Of course the AC resistance of the coils will be higher and I have not taken account of core losses.  Also there could be reflections from the ends of the core coming into play.  But the gap is not optimised, I just used 60 mm as a starting point.  I think this does illustrate the potential this approach has for getting OU.

Quote from: Jeg on 2015.02.01, 09:47:07
Guys some phrases taken from

Daniel McFarland Cook, of Mansfield Ohio
IMPROVEMENT IN INDUCTION-COILS
Electro-Magnetic Battery

....In the use of simple helices, or two coils only, any size wire may be used, only so that the insulation is effectual and the quantity of wires is sufficient. The longer and the larger the wire or coil the more powerful the result, one thousand or more feet being preferable. The poles of the two helices being connected the action is the same as in the compound helices, there being but four currents developed, two initial and two terminal currents, the latter flowing constantly in the same direction – in effect there being but one current in the same direction.

.....The mode of producing or starting the action in the helices consists in the use of a steel or electromagnet, or a helix, around one of the helices, and causing a secondary current in the enclosed helix by means of a battery current in the outer one; the action then in either the simple or compound helices increases in quantity to the maximum capacity of the wires to conduct with the existing tension of the current. If, now, the circuit is broken the current instantly ceases, and can only be restored by the same means that it was first produced; hence to allow the use of the main circuit for common purposes I introduce a rheostat or resistance of any kind into the circuit, so that a small portion of the current only will flow along the resistance, by which means the action in the helices is feebly maintained when the main circuit is broken, and instantly restored when it is closed to its full force.

.....For the purpose of preventing the heating of the helices caused by the intensity of the action, and to prevent circulation of the initial secondary currents in the main circuit, a rheostat of any convenient form may be made to constitute a part of the main circuit D. The alternate changes of the iron cores or magnets may be used for producing electro-magnetic motion, or motion to a wheel of any suitable device.

Quote from: Chet K on 2015.02.01, 14:38:07
Chris
in post number 236 ,  referencing Conrad's replication at OU.com  you state
"its not going to work with the circuit he showed [used]"
end quote

For clarity This is not your circuit [for those that are not building here,  they may be unaware ??

[ post 714 at OU.com]

http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg436184/#new

respectfully

Chet

Quote from: verpies on 2015.01.31, 23:58:22
Yes, AC Signal Generator can be your Rigol DG4xxx.
I tried to write/draw the BNC sockets on the SG and Owon scope this time:
SG's BNC shield to Owon's BNC Shield (through a CSR)
SG's BNC center hole to Owon's power lug.
Owon's BNC center hole not connected.

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Quote from: Grumage on 2015.02.01, 14:57:19
How about this then ??

http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg436183/#msg436183

LET BATTLE COMMENCE !!  :)

Cheers Grum.

Quote from: Chet K on 2015.02.01, 15:02:37
Chris
there are many who follow all the forums [3],and some clarity would be good.
I know that at OU.Com replicators have read ALL your info prior to pulling out the tools
and telling the wife that their going to be busy for a while .......

I don't see them and us I see replicators that need help ,  they are spending a little money and alot of time and effort to do the best job they can.

It seemed to me your post said the schematic was wrong ,if this is true please say so.

For every replicator on the page there are usually a dozen more off the page.

if Conrad has this wrong perhaps dozens of others also do?

respectfully

Chet

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.01, 14:50:34
I don't understand what it is you're asking for Chet, can you explain please!

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.01, 14:50:34
I don't understand why you're trying to help them out,

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.02.01, 14:58:58
Ok,   i got you,     neither the 10 Ohm csr or the current probe picks up any current this way.

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.01, 13:29:46

@Smudge - Nice Work again! Thanks. Did you see my post asking about Frequency?

QuoteThe Frequencies I am finding the best are a Much Lower Frequency range. I wonder if there may be some sort of Harmonic to this?

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.01, 15:20:49
Some devices don't work as we have seen. Not because the Technology is flawed, but because of a lack of true understanding. It takes time to think differently and be able to accept new principals! So many cant do this!

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.01, 15:05:49
Itsu - Any improvements on the output yet?

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
-------------------------------

Quote from: verpies on 2015.02.01, 15:38:43
What frequencies did you try?
Did you test both power prongs?

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.02.01, 16:22:10
I tried up till about 5KHz, only noisy signals there.

Just now went up all the way to 100Mhz, and i see some feedthrough on either power lugs at 71MHz,
2Vpp across the 10 Ohm csr with 5Vpp input from the SG.


Regards Itsu

Quote from: verpies on 2015.02.01, 15:35:49
I think he asked you if this is your circuit or someone else's.
He is just trying to be objective and help the truth, not anyone specific.

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.02.01, 15:43:30
You mean this one?
I think it depends on the core material.  I had chosen a high frequency ferrite for my calculations, had I chosen one with a much lower cut-off frequency I would have got a much lower optimum frequency.

Smudge

Quote from: verpies on 2015.02.01, 15:46:22
It is true that lot of people don't understand, but you do.
If Itsu followed your instructions to the dot then it should work like you understand, right?

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.02.01, 17:09:14
I have just done a FEMM simulation of coils mounted diametrically opposite on a toroidal core (see data sheet for core attached) of HF ferrite.  See flux diagram from FEMM.  This was 100 turns for each coil.  The propagation velocity is known from measurements on this core and agrees well with v=c/sqrt(murel*K) where K is dielectric constant near 7.  So very believable.  The resulting negative R is huge.  See chart attached.  I do think it is worth getting hold of this core and doing some measurements.  The reason for the huge value is (a) the mutual inductance from one core to the other is high, almost equivalent to the inductance of one coil and (b) the long distance between the coils gives maximum phase shift along the core.

Smudge

Quote from: Propellanttech on 2015.02.01, 22:40:02
I hope Itsu isn't using something like this to wind his coils:

Fast Forward to the 2 minute mark, you will see what I'm talking about.

Notice how the wire doesn't lay down orderly. It's orthocyclic, but not a true neat turn to turn winding.

I noticed in his EMJ4 video, his coils look "lumpy", which could be just the tape, or could indicate a "messy' state of winding. You don't even need to start the video, look at the coils from the start frame.

I'm not claiming anything, I'm just pointing out things that make me ask questions about the neatness required to do this experiment.

James

Quote from: Jeg on 2015.02.01, 18:24:57
Hi Itsu. If you like try a variable cap at the output, give a frequency of between 5khz and 30khz, and tune your cap on a higher frequency that gives rise. Play between some trigger frequencies and every time re tune your cap until to find a good combination. At my setup through a mosfet i feed it with some 8khz and I tune to around 150 or so. Look attached waveforms of my current measured at a 1.2ohm in series with cap and coils. I think there is a game there where you consider it as parasitic. Those dirty hf signals are related to the length of your coils. Tune on them to see if you have anything interesting.

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.01, 22:07:39
Long Answer: I have not seen so much trouble as Itsu is having! Normally it works after a few tries for me.

Quote from: verpies on 2015.02.01, 23:47:56
That may be because you have a unique ferrite.  Try if it works with another ferrite, preferably an identifiable and ubiquitous one.
You may also consider sending your working ferrite to Chet or Itsu directly.

Quote from: Aking.21 on 2015.02.02, 00:11:34

https://sites.google.com/site/dobrojanskij/soobseniebezzagolovka-2

Take a close look at the wiring diagram and you will see the partnered output coil configuration in a
modified form.

Here is good old Woopy with a WORKING MODEL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGSz_a3tTrk&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBD3_7VbrIQ&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqGjkqaTC7Y&feature=youtu.be
Here's another replication using a TV yoke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNFgWYUzYOg&feature=youtu.be

And here's the very short thread from which I extracted the scientific practical information

http://overunity.com/11761/very-high-and-powerful-voltazh-voltage-from-a-small-voltage/#.VM6-iOgsd2c

The COP appears to be about 2.0 which is close to this thread's claims of C.O.P. 1.7

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.02.02, 04:01:34
Apparently more out than in...  :o  The input on the primary was sine 353hz 5,41vac at 0.028amp. output on bulb load 7,76vdc at 0,141amp.
Here i just want to clarify that my measure instrument are an ac/dc clamp meter for the amp draw and an DMM for the voltage.... surely not the best instrument for accuracy.

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.02.02, 04:01:34
Hi Chris and all!
Today i made some test with a split ferrite ring and a ferrite rod in the center (see image) It is a kind of the Jensen UDT shown in your pdf. The partenered coil are on each half of the ring 500t/30awg and the primary are on the center rod (First one, the only that work, have 150t/21awg. Not the one on the photo).
My frequency generator was an app i have on my phone. i use a small stereo to amplify the signal. I put a small 12v 2w bulb as the load (i bridge rectify the output) and it give me outstanding result! Apparently more out than in...  :o  The input on the primary was sine 353hz 5,41vac at 0.028amp. output on bulb load 7,76vdc at 0,141amp. Here i just want to clarify that my mesure instrument are an ac/dc clamp meter for the amp draw and an dmm for the voltage.... surely not the best instrument for accuracy. But the lite have a nice glow. anyhow it stunt me a bit an i try to replace the load for a 6v lead battery to see if i could charge it...  it was a big mistake! Yes it give a charge to the battery but after few second the amp draw on the primary goes up to near 2 amps!
The big problem is now i am not able to bring it back to the previous state.  :'(
I try many thing; change frequency, play with the gap, try MANY different primary winding nothing seems to be done to make it work again.
Chris did it ever happen to you?? If so what did you do to bring it back "to life"?
I suspect my small stereo... because now with all my "high" amp test, the output of my stereo seem to be blown...
Now im wathing to receive my 12v 180w audio amply order 2 weeks ago on eBay... be sure this time i will protect it with some fuse!!
Ciao!

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.01, 22:07:39
@ALL

Short Answer: Yes after some playing around.

Long Answer: I have not seen so much trouble as Itsu is having! Normally it works after a few tries for me.

Itsu, did you see this video:

I did this to help you out. There is definitely issues there on your setup. Did you see my reply on the Scope shots?

For CW/CCW Coils, the best Circuit is:
(http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2760.0;attach=16402;image)

For CW/CW but One Coil Flipped over the best Circuit is:
(http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2760.0;attach=16404;image)

Remember these are not the only configurations that work! This is another:
(http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2760.0;attach=16408;image)

Kind Regards

  Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
  To Reach New Horizons!
-------------------------------

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.02.02, 04:01:34
Hi Chris and all!
Today i made some test with a split ferrite ring and a ferrite rod in the center (see image) It is a kind of the Jensen UDT shown in your pdf. The partenered coil are on each half of the ring 500t/30awg and the primary are on the center rod (First one, the only that work, have 150t/21awg. Not the one on the photo).

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.02, 01:06:47
@ALL,

Here is another variation of this Technology!!!

Over-unity transformer.  Demonstration Scheme and principle of operation.  A. Mishin

Its everywhere! Like I said, its not new! Its Old Tech, just so many have not realised How and Why it works!

Quote from: verpies on 2015.02.02, 07:26:38
Even if your instruments were 100% accurate, your average power measurement would not be.
This is because you are not paying attention to your waveform shapes and phase offsets.
1V * 1A = 1W of average power is always true only for DC.  For AC these numbers can easily evaluate to 0.001W ...a 1000x difference.
This is elementary.

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.02, 07:57:16
Hi Wistiti,

Excellent result!!! Shame something went wrong.

I have not seen this, not yet anyway.

Best I can suggest is the normal trouble shooting, check components, Coils DC Resistance and so on...

Nice Work Wistiti! Be sure to document as you go! Makes it so much easier later on! Can reference your work and as you make changes document them also!

Quote from: Smudge on 2015.02.02, 09:56:06
Hi Wistiti,

You have the right configuration there, but because the device relies on magnetic propagation delay between the partnered coils you need to wind coils that are shorter and occupying less of the core, see my quick sketch.  I think you will get better results.

Smudge

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.02.02, 11:56:41
Thank Verpies for your reply. Until i have access to a scope i am afraid i cant not look for these major ac component.. :-\
Do you think i can read accurately the output with my actual instrument if i rectify it? Pulsed dc or i have to smooth it with a cap before?

Quote from: verpies on 2015.02.02, 12:36:51

P.S.
If you want to buy a cheap good scope I recommend the Rigol DS1054Z because it costs only $399 and can be hacked up to 100MHz for free.
Watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETCOhzU1O5A) and this video (//http://)

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.02.02, 13:38:14
What about rectify and go to 12V incandescent bulb without smoothing cap?

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.02.02, 13:38:14
Or I have to go directly to an AC bulb or non inductive resistor??

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.02.02, 09:18:27

Hi Chris,

yes i have seen that video, but i know the concept, we have either 2 coils wound CW and CCW or we have 2 coils wound
the same way (both CW or both CCW).
Either configuration can be set 2 ways, either in adding mode or bucking mode.

I have tested both configurations in one setup (first CW / CCW bucking), then rewound 1 coil so that i had 2 coils both CW bucking.
In this latest setup i also used another core with same results.

I did see your reply on my scope shots, but "The Input is being Choked off!" is more a gut feeling term then a technical term,  right?
and its not thru in my opinion as you see the current being present loud and clear in the input (you even copy and paste it), so you
can hardly call that choked off.

Anyway, presently i have 2 crossover coils (both wound CW) on that new core connected via a DPDT switch (as presented by the genius Tinselkoala)
so i can flip over 1 of the 2 coils so the setup changes from bucking to adding mode.
The problem is that these crossover coils are too wide, so only 2 fit on the core.
I have wound the primary over one of those partner coils, but seeing an unbalans in output across both partner coils when in adding mode.
Need some sorting out here....

Regards Itsu

Quote from: verpies on 2015.02.02, 07:26:38
Even if your instruments were 100% accurate, your average power measurement would not be.
This is because you are not paying attention to your waveform shapes and phase offsets.
1V * 1A = 1W of average power is always true only for DC.  For AC these numbers can easily evaluate to 0.001W ...a 1000x difference.
This is elementary.

Quote from: Aking.21 on 2015.02.02, 14:20:48
A Mishin:  I couldn't get this to work. The output looks like a dead short to me. Unfortunately I can't pick up the nuances in the dialogue.
I don't think this is a proper version of the technology we are trying here.

I used pulsed DC using a Tesla switch and a ###### trifilar coil with a multiple iron core.
Here is his diagram. I don't think he's using oppositely wound coils.
However, will continue to experiment.

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.02, 01:06:47
@ALL,

Here is another variation of this Technology!!!

Over-unity transformer.  Demonstration Scheme and principle of operation.  A. Mishin

Its everywhere! Like I said, its not new! Its Old Tech, just so many have not realised How and Why it works!

Quote from: kEhYo77 on 2015.02.02, 20:11:12
Hello World :)

Thanks for accepting me as a member to this forum.

There is this Russian guy that peaked my interest.
You should check his videos as there might be some useful stuff for this thread.
The clips are with English subtitles so no problem in understanding of what he says.

Start with this one:

Quote from: T-1000 on 2015.02.02, 20:55:43
I watched video and seen the need to correct the statement.
That transformer was designed for 300W originaly and A. Mishin took it apart then made central primary coil and 2 secondaries on the sides.  Then he did connected cores around outside perimeter of primary core. The two secondaries are connected in a way where theorically it is dead short. So when he connects transformer without load it is consuming 300W. When he connects 60W bulb the transformer starts using less due power redirection to the bulb instead of radiating it over external core.
Then he connects 600W heater to the output the transformer. The typical transformer would start overheating and eventually go in smoke. That does not happen with this customized transformer. Instead of smokes it starts consuming around 600W and the COP is being pushed very close to the unity. Then A. Mishin connects 900W part of heater. Again, the transformer does not go in flames and is consuming the power of load applied. The windings start to warm up a bit. Then he connects shortly both sets of heater which is 600W+900W for brief period of time. The transformer is still functioning but it is getting overloaded and the windings start to heat up. The typical transformer would be gone in flames long before that... :)
Then he describes about possibility of making transformer with COP >1 but instantly states he did not have chance to assemble one. And the drawing in the end involves core made from the tube which have separation to avoid shorting and have holes for perpendicular winding on 90 degrees. He explained on that part of video about vortices which are being made in the core and possibility of taking energy out of that (comment: the A field in magnetism). So you see that in drawing and visual presentation on yokes how he would wind these additional windings to existing ones with primary coil in the center and secondaries (which are shorted) from the sides...


P.S> Hopefully that is good enough transcript from the video for everyone to get idea what A. Mishin shown in video and explained.

Cheers!

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.02, 19:56:41
It uses the formula: V * I * cos(PHI)
Can you guys make suggestions on improvements to this?

Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2015.02.02, 23:20:52
Itsu -- I really like what you're doing with the Hall probe  O0
Very clever.
(Can I ask -- where did you find that probe?  supplier?)

Quote from: verpies on 2015.02.02, 23:41:46
Formally that formula should be written as:
P_AVG = V_RMS * I_RMS * cos(PHI)
...and indeed it works only for sinewaves.

Most voltmeters cannot even accurately measure V_RMS above 2kHz.  Itsu made a video about that problem.

If you want to measure Watts for arbitrary waveforms, then you must use a 2ch scope with math mode, or W2V (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2654.0;attach=16078) converter, or a Wattbox or a commercial Wattmeter.

Most people, however, are happy to just multiply average volts by average amps and delude themselves into thinking the the result is average Watts.  
I estimate that 80% of OU claims are due to this simple error.

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.02.02, 23:05:46
I managed to measure the opposing flux coming out from in between the 2 partner coils when in bucking mode using a Hall Effect sensor perpendicular to the core

With a DTDP switch i can switch one of the 2 coils so we switch between aiding mode and opposing (bucking) mode

This way i am sure that the partner coils are in the correct setup for further testing.

Now i have to find a way to install the primary coil for injecting the signal.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qsAHT1UeTI&feature=youtu.be


Regards Itsu

Quote from: poynt99 on 2015.02.03, 01:18:11
Regardless if it is so-called new or old technology, I find it very difficult to understand why any claimant would choose not to demonstrate the veracity of their claim. In fact, if it was myself, given my considerable experience in the free energy community, and my own logical, skeptical yet open-minded perspective, it would not be necessary for anyone to request proof in the form of test data, as it would be provided pre-emptively in my very first or second post coinciding with my claim. I would fully expect to be asked to provide test data, and rightly so.

Not volunteering or not providing substantive proof upon request only fuels suspicion that the claimant may be fabricating their claim. I for one would not want to be in that position. Having said that, I am in awe of various members of forums where the degree of tolerance for unsubstantiated claims is astonishing. I see this both on OU and OUR. And it is wort mentioning that OUR generally has a zero tolerance policy for un substantiated claims (as per the terms of servicecsection), but in this particular case the admin has decided to give substantial leeway to the claimant. Why? Because eventually the readers and replicators will objectively vet the claim, and the veracity of the said claim will be revealed to all. In the process all will hopefully have learned something, in one form or the other.

:)
.99

Quote from: EMJunkie link=http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg436390/#msg436390
Was just looking through the Utkin paper.  This pic below caught my eye.

There may be a need for a 3rd coil to get a desired effect.  There may be nothing special about just 2 opposing coils alone.

(http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2760.0;attach=16442;image)

Quote from: poynt99 on 2015.02.03, 01:18:11
And it is wort mentioning that OUR generally has a zero tolerance policy for un substantiated claims (as per the terms of servicecsection), but in this particular case the admin has decided to give substantial leeway to the claimant. Why? Because eventually the readers and replicators will objectively vet the claim, and the veracity of the said claim will be revealed to all. In the process all will hopefully have learned something, in one form or the other.

:)
.99

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.03, 01:39:13
@Poynt99,

I agree and sympathise with your pain,

Quotebut, how many times in history have people provided Demonstrations, free runners, all very simple devices that are clearly easy to build for anyone skilled in the Engineering profession, aind how many have tried and failed. nearly all of them!

Quote
If I gave you all my Data like Bill Alek has, would I be better off?

Quote from: poynt99 on 2015.02.03, 04:21:18

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.03, 01:39:13

but, how many times in history have people provided Demonstrations, free runners, all very simple devices that are clearly easy to build for anyone skilled in the Engineering profession, aind how many have tried and failed. nearly all of them!

I've never seen a self runner or convincing demonstration myself (except perhaps for the tpu), so it makes sense that most have failed. Why should folks buy into something that clearly has not been proven to work as claimed?

Quote from: poynt99 on 2015.02.03, 04:21:18

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.03, 01:39:13

If I gave you all my Data like Bill Alek has, would I be better off?

That depends entirely on what your goal is. If your goal is to present your honest attempt at ou to a group of peers for replication and confirmation of your findings, then yes you would be better off.

Quote from: poynt99 on 2015.02.03, 04:36:16
I am not going to shut your thread down unless ultimately either noone can replicate your results, or if they can not and you still choose not to reveal substantiating evidence to support your claim.

Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2015.02.02, 23:20:52
Itsu -- I really like what you're doing with the Hall probe  O0
Very clever.
(Can I ask -- where did you find that probe?  supplier?)

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.03, 00:36:58
@Itsu,

Nice Work!

Some things to keep an eye on:

1: Your Coils are still not right from what I can see - For CW/CW Coils, One of the POC Coils normally needs to be Flipped over relative to the first!
2: You are right in saying put a Primary on top of one of the Coils. Once the device is operation Charge will balance the device.

Your Diagrams look good! Please post and share if you can!

Please try and experiment on your current arrangement first before changing however.

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.02.03, 10:46:09
Hi guys! Please respect each other!!!  :-\

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.02.03, 10:46:09
I know it is not scientific

Quote5: I have shown Demonstration after Demonstration that show Anomalous Effects!

Quote from: Chet K on 2015.02.03, 14:47:53
I have spoken with Both Principles at Auroratec ,and do have an open invitation to
investigate his claim, perhaps if we need to go that far we will ?

Quote from: JimBoot on 2015.02.03, 08:31:13
well that escalated quickly. I'm hoping to get to this experiment soon and I'm really enjoying the discussion here. I have the jaycar coils sitting next to me :) Looking forward to civil discourse :)

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.03, 22:27:47
@All
Apologies to all following, I don't like being Hounded! I am not putting up with it!

Quote from: ION on 2015.02.03, 14:49:14
From EMjunkie

I've been following this thread carefully and must have missed the demonstrations and the anomalous effects.

Why not just show your device that provides a COP=1.7 as you claimed and a precise set of build instructions?


We will replicate to your exact specification and perform a high level of testing, therefore your device will be verified by many.

Pages and pages of your request to "try this and try that" does not spell confidence in your hypothesis nor your device.

We have very qualified test and measurement people here willing to test your claimed device and give it an honest evaluation.

We await your "exact spec" document release.

Quote from: Wistiti on 2015.02.04, 07:42:38
O0
Cant wait to see these new circuit!
Thank!

Quote from: Itsu on 2015.02.04, 08:26:33
Thanks Chris,

now i know what to expect and where to look for.
Nothing seen like that in my tests, but i doubt you will get this with sine wave input at FG level power,
it needs hard switching (MOSFET) at the input i guess.



Left coil flipped over, primary wound across the right coil
Hall sensor detects the opposing flux so we are in bucking mode

Tests done this way with the FG as input (sine wave and square wave), and later on with the MOSFET pulsing 10V dc.

No abnormalities detected like shown above by Chris.

video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uwjEch1mcU&feature=youtu.be


Regards Itsu

Quote from: poynt99 on 2015.02.04, 09:21:23
Chris,

Please keep your profanities, obscenities, and insults to yourself. If you are serious about presenting your results and helping replicators, then please stick to the subject matter of this thread. Engaging in personal attacks and name calling will not be tolerated here.

Quote from: JimBoot on 2015.02.04, 10:07:20
Thanks Chris,
Was that an iOS auto correct? Band dicks? Anyway this is a really interesting thread those rythmodynamics on standing waves were fascinating.

If it helps, what I have found here people will challenge your assertions at a tech level but I have not found them to be personally negative. We all have a short fuse for the right situation. This isn't ou.com though and here we're interested in the science not the trolling. Text is a crap medium for communicating. :)

Quote

Quote from: MileHigh on 2015.02.04, 10:36:07
I am finding it hard to decipher those waveforms.  When you present data like this it should be accompanied by your schematic and show where your probes are connected.  You should also show the input waveforms.  You have to show your output power calculation.  Does that scope have a math trace or did you export data to a spreadsheet?

Hmmm, MileHigh - What if I told you that no OU Exists! Would you believe me now I have shown you such wave forms? A Circuit has been presented, I have presented it in my pdf right from the start!

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2760.msg45434#msg45434

I very much wish people here and elsewhere would pay attention, NOT to OU Claims but Experiments being presented! Thus the Name of the Thread! "Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy NOT "OU CLAIM!!!"

I wish I never mentioned it in my document! People are so greedy, selfish, all they can see is themselves! What they can get for nothing! Lets demand it, and expect it!

Not work for it like I have!

All is now very quiet now I have published the wave forms! even the man himself has gone quiet! Could there be some scrambling going on now to see what people can replicate!

I have made many mistakes along my path, but all I have ever looked for is the Effects! I have published some of them for years. The path starts with looking for Effects! Not measurements!

Quote from: giantkiller on 2015.02.04, 15:51:42
The ringing is what should be expected either in a core or in air. Radio shack spools fit quite nicely over iron wire bundles or nails or threaded rods.
Put 2 of these builds next to each other and trigger one in cycle to add to the previous ones ringing cycle. And have the first one trigger the secondary one.
Should thump...

Quote from: ION on 2015.02.04, 14:53:37
I'm curious about the type of diode used in the schematic posted earlier (post #326) and wonder if the ringing might be triggered by a DSR effect.

Will any diode work in this circuit or is the diode type critical?

If you could kindly post the recommended diode and FET type that would be a plus.

Quote from: ION on 2015.02.04, 14:53:37
Also, drawing 190,the core manufacturer, material type,core size, gapping if any, and number of turns for L1, L2 and L3 on your VIC schematic or your preferred setup specs.

I also notice the transformer drawing (190) shows five windings while the accompanying schematic shows three. Can you reconcile that?

Quote from: ION on 2015.02.04, 14:53:37
Does the VIC schematic (post #326) apply to the scope shots in your post #322?

Quote from: ION on 2015.02.04, 14:53:37
Sorry for so many questions, just want to clarify the loose ends and be sure we are all on the same page before starting a replication. As you know, part type numbers, core materials etc. are all important criteria in the engineering of any device, if a successful replication is to be attained. From that point we can experiment further.

Regards, ION

Quote from: giantkiller on 2015.02.04, 15:51:42
The ringing is what should be expected either in a core or in air. Radio shack spools fit quite nicely over iron wire bundles or nails or threaded rods.
Put 2 of these builds next to each other and trigger one in cycle to add to the previous ones ringing cycle. And have the first one trigger the secondary one.
Should thump...

Quote from: EMJunkie on 2015.02.04, 09:47:35
@Wistiti,

You have been right on track my friend! Like I said, 2 guys here are spot on!

The Circuit, its attached, and yes this ns not new either! Its the Stan Meyer Circuit! The VIC Circuit!

A Question must be raised here, Why is it, that by increasing the Voltage Potential in the Bucking Coils do we get such an increase?

Quote from: giantkiller on 2015.02.04, 18:20:14
Yep. I am the stun gun king. I got inventory just falling off the shelves.
The next thing to do is to tank the ringing side of coils. And if the additional secondary of helical (with a tanked core of stranded wire) is added you get a directed magnetic pulse squeezing the resonant field of the core.
I believe I have said too much.