Related to Tinman's RT perhaps. Per Chet's request.
A good start (http://www.rexresearch.com/christie/christie.htm) for those not familiar with the device.
I thought that this years old device was discredited rubbish.
Paul
Do you have first hand info about this "rubbish" ??
Lately I tend to look at fraud , scam and Rubbish claims from the past with a different perspective.
I am told that 3-6 independent labs were involved at the time and it would be good to just clear the air from
"Rubbish Claims" or claims based on hearsay ?
quite certain there will be input from members here with first hand knowledge ??
if not then we will look further and speak to whomever does know to find the truth from the Top Down.
respectfully
Chet K
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/lutec1.pdf
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/lutec2.pdf
http://www.rexresearch.com/christie/christie.htm#rosenthal
I looked at Engineers, Walt Rosenthal and Parke Cole disinfo claims and couldn't stop laughing.
Does anyone seriously believe that the Lutec inventors spent thousands of hours and thousands of dollars of their
own money and did not do extensive input - output measurements??
It makes me realise that the believers of such disinfo are graduates of the university of "Duuuuuuh".
So wake up chaps and study the patent.
Remember that a rotary device is a "reactive" energy device.
Quote from: Aking.21 on 2015.07.29, 21:49:23
I looked at Engineers, Walt Rosenthal and Parke Cole disinfo claims and couldn't stop laughing.
That's interesting... I feel the same way about the disinfo claims coming from Lutec and all the other magic pulsemotor builders who can't actually prove their claims to real engineers.
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Does anyone seriously believe that the Lutec inventors spent thousands of hours and thousands of dollars of their
own money and did not do extensive input - output measurements??
It certainly wouldn't be the first time something like that happened. And when you bring in the deliberate fraud hypothesis, well...
do the math.
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It makes me realise that the believers of such disinfo are graduates of the university of "Duuuuuuh".
The disinfo is coming from the believers, not the skeptics. Do you really think I'm a "graduate of the university of Duuuuuh"? If so then I'm really in the wrong place.
What is keeping the Lutec boys from performing and presenting _proper_ measurements, for example using a proper
power analyzer? What is preventing them from daisy-chaining multiple units, each running off the output of the previous one in the chain and eventually producing all the power one might want, on just the input to the first unit?
Only the laws of physics, that's all. NOT the laws of men.
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So wake up chaps and study the patent.
Remember that a rotary device is a "reactive" energy device.
The patent clearly doesn't contain the critical information needed to make an overunity pulse motor, or someone else would
have done so by now, using the information in the patent.
I have studied the patent, by the way, and I can't imagine why it was even granted, since there is nothing novel or useful in it. The mechanical means of varying the brush timing and dwell is the only thing that is in the least bit "novel" and in the final end is actually just a kludge that can be done more easily in other ways.
Ditto for that other patent, the sparker thing, that gotoluc and Err-on and a few others wrote up and filed. It's all prior art, repackaged using
different gobbledegook.
Here's a challenge. Hire me to test a genuine, Lutec-built and certified device using approved techniques, and I'll write up a full report, either way it comes out. You can ship the device to me and when I'm done I'll send it back.
C.C
The Adams motor was a similar device:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01oXbxqNB2w
Please have a look at what the replicators say in their description.
This is the adams motor patent which is very similar to the Lutec patent:
GB2282708
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/GB2282708.pdf
Again the claim of overunity.
At First glance that Adams motor patent "Application" looks interesting. But it is an application for a patent I think.
Anyway the patent application is a bit long and confusing can anyone put forward a "Theory of Operation" in simple terms, in text ?
Just a explanation of how it works.
..
Adams
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/adamsmotor.htm
QuoteAttraction to Stator Core:- The permanent magnet rotor is attracted to a wound stator core. No electrical current is supplied. The kinetic energy gained comes from the intrinsic ferromagnetic state of the magnet, and is 'on loan,' and must be paid back at the stator. In other words, to remove the magnet from the stator, an equal amount of energy must be inputted to separate the magnet from the core. This is where the energy 'loan,' made in stage one, is normally paid back. The laws of conservation of energy state this.
Demagnetization of Stator Core:- When the rotor magnet is in register with the stator core, the timing circuit is closed and a current pulse is delivered to the stator coils. The stator is wired such that the current flow creates an opposing magnetic field to that of the rotor magnet. This works to offset the magnetization induced in the stator core across the air gap. The stator coils 'dull' the field induced in the stator core, and can even overcome it and provide repulsion at sufficient voltage. Consequently, the total current cancels out much if not all of the drag back of the rotor to the stator, and the rotor is capable of 'free wheeling,' out of the stator zone using the remaining inertia gained in stage one. The magic is that this current pulse is complemented by additional current freely induced in the stator windings by the rotor magnets, which as per the dictates of Lenz's law ( 1834), opposes the force that induced it. THIS IS WHERE THE OVER-UNITY EFFECT HAPPENS, AT THE MOMENT OF SWITCH CLOSURE! The permanent magnets in effect provide free precharge to the motor circuitry when in register!
Recovery:- Now the rotor has moved away form the stator zone, the timing circuit is open again, the stator windings lose power, and stator core reverts to its default magnetized state. Restart at stage 1.
Lutec
http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/new-magnetic-electric-device-can-power.html
QuoteIn order to gain an understanding of the operation of a LEA (Lutec Electricity Amplifier) it must be understood that there are actually three separate and completely individual events occurring in the one machine. Each of the three is equally important because without one of them operating in a completely synchronistical manner with the others, the end result would not achieve the efficiency levels required.
Each of the three events should first be viewed in isolation and then when they are drawn together as they are in the LEA, an understanding of the operating principles will become clear.
The First Event is a Pulsed DC Motor.
The Second Event is an AC generator.
The Third Event is the result of the impact of the Second on the First.
THE FIRST EVENT: A Pulsed DC Motor.
A DC input current either from a battery bank or from rectified AC mains is supplied to a DC motor comprised in this case of four fixed position stator coils, and a rotor with four equally spaced imbedded rare earth permanent magnets of a particular strength.
The input is pulsed by a rotating switch (commutated) allowing the DC input current to flow through the motor coils for a percentage of one cycle as dictated by the actual ON period of the commutator contacts. In most cases this is around 0.2 of a cycle. The electron flow in this DC circuit is negative to positive and so the negative lead is permanently connected to the coil/s.
The DC pulse causes a magnetic effect in the coil core so that the temporary polarisation of the coils laminated steel core has the effect of repulsing the magnetically aligned permanent magnet embedded in the rotor so causing it to rotate.
The DC pulse is completely consumed by this action which is the cause of the rotor spinning.
So the single result of the consumed DC input pulse is that it initiates the motor moment.
THE SECOND EVENT: An AC Generator.
The same coils used for the motor section in the first Event are used to generate the Second Event that being an AC power output. The rotor containing the permanent magnets is caused to be driven past the stator coils by the motor, at which time induction occurs in the coils producing an alternating current (AC) output.
The only force being used to cause the movement of the rotor is the motor torque. The AC generated in the coils is done so independent of the input DC pulse and is strictly the result of the induction effect.
Evidence of the Second Event being able to operate independently and still provide the same AC output result is proven by causing it to produce the same output without the LEA motor section connected.
This is done by disconnecting the DC input wires and using an outside power source such as an electric motor connected to the axle of the generator and spinning it up to 750 revolutions per minute speed. This will cause a 50 Hz AC output result, a result that is identical to that with the LEA motor connected.
This proves that the AC output is produced purely by and controlled by the speed of rotation of the motor having an induction effect on the coils, nothing else, and especially no part of the DC input power component can be attributed as adding to the generated AC output.
THE THIRD EVENT: The Effect of Event Two on Event One.
Events One and Two happen independently of each other in the same machine. The only similarity shared in the Events is that they share the same coil to enable each to perform their independent functions.
The pulsed DC input to the coil has no effect on the AC being produced because there is no return path for it through the AC load of the coil. The AC is being generated continuously, and has no direct electrical contribution to the input because it too has no return path to enable it to do so.
The DC input runs the motor supplying current through its own defined circuit for around 0.2 of a cycle. (The ON period)
The DC input circuit has nothing to do with the AC output circuit; remember all the DC input is exhausted in the First Event so there is absolutely no DC input power left to do anything else.
The DC current is driven into the motor coils as long as there is a potential difference in voltage between the DC voltage and the AC voltage. This potential voltage is what carries the input current. When this potential voltage difference falls to zero the ON period of the electrical cycle is ended, and then no input current can flow.
The input voltage that carries current (amps) into the motor coils is a resultant voltage. This can be seen on oscilloscope traces as a variable voltage. It can also be called a differential voltage because the current is able to flow for a brief period before the lesser voltage becomes equal, and so prevents the flow from continuing.
SUMMARY
The LEA has been designed to maximise and exploit Events One Two and Three in a synchronous manner so as to produce a highly efficient means of generating electricity. It could be described as a tri-brid system.
This harmonious triumvirate result has been accomplished by identifying and controlling the precise timing of input and output voltages; so to allow the separate Events to operate within the same space, using minimal shared components while retaining their original individual effects.
The patent over this technology already granted in many countries including the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Russia, Eurasia, Africa, Poland, China, South Africa, Vietnam, Brazil, Singapore, Turkey, Israel and pending in many others is titled;
"A Means of Controlling A Rotary Device"
The reader may now understand why it has been called so.
There are many uses for the technology; it can provide electricity in a manner more highly efficient, environmentally clean and cost effective than any other currently known.
Other applications for this technology could be water desalination, hydrogen production, highly efficient motors for plant, pumps, and machinery, or as a more efficient and cost effective drive for anything that turns spins or rotates.
Bump
;)
Quote from: TinMan on 2018.12.18, 04:14:33
Bump
;)
Lets assume that the generator works ...just for the sake of discussion.
what process would be the mostlikely to emmerge given that oil would have less use .
Would multi-tiered investment companys emerge ?
or would every body suddenly have free power ?
.
Already wind power energy farms are tied to the main grid enabling sync so the energy company techs tell us.
Why do they not have direct conversion to ac?
It seems to me that a rotary converter is the simple answer. Which begs the question .Why cant we do this with ss devices .
why dont we do this with ss devices when there are millions of grid tied inverters in operation that do not make 1 useable milliwatt when the main energy supply is down . Its like we pay thoudands per year for a clock?
I know that this is a simplistic view but the motivations of a capitolist system dictate a slow and painfull path whatever the magic beans are .
even the sun and the wind .
All of this makes evaluating claims made in the process rather difficult for the vast majority .
It also explains why anything that does work ,unless very simple would be emmersed in this spin cycle of disinfo ,and if it was simple it would be made to look much harder with the owners doing their best to lead everybody away from the simple.
Efficient ,long lasting energy storage is all we really need to gain independence.
what a F$#$#@#ing headache!
Quote from: 3D Magnetics on 2018.12.19, 00:54:55
Lets assume that the generator works ...just for the sake of discussion.
what process would be the mostlikely to emmerge given that oil would have less use .
Would multi-tiered investment companys emerge ?
or would every body suddenly have free power ?
.
Already wind power energy farms are tied to the main grid enabling sync so the energy company techs tell us.
Why do they not have direct conversion to ac?
It seems to me that a rotary converter is the simple answer. Which begs the question .Why cant we do this with ss devices .
why dont we do this with ss devices when there are millions of grid tied inverters in operation that do not make 1 useable milliwatt when the main energy supply is down . Its like we pay thoudands per year for a clock?
I know that this is a simplistic view but the motivations of a capitolist system dictate a slow and painfull path whatever the magic beans are .
even the sun and the wind .
All of this makes evaluating claims made in the process rather difficult for the vast majority .
It also explains why anything that does work ,unless very simple would be emmersed in this spin cycle of disinfo ,and if it was simple it would be made to look much harder with the owners doing their best to lead everybody away from the simple.
Efficient ,long lasting energy storage is all we really need to gain independence.
what a F$#$#@#ing headache!
I agree.
What you must understand is those in power-in control,wish to remain in that position at any cost.
Its much like the USA calling it self the land of the free LOL.
The USA is one of the most !un-free! nations there is.
Over there,you can be charged just for collecting rain water.
You can be taxed for sunlight C.C
Charged for putting up a wind generator,and they have the balls to call it the land of the free lol.
Everything the people do to try and save,better there lives,and help out the environment,there is a government or corporation there to stop your efforts in there tracks.
I have seen one of the LUTEC generators in person,and not all has been exposed as to how they work-well not yet anyway.
You would be surprised as to what has been hidden,and what is in use today behind closed doors.
Brad
Quote from: TinMan on 2018.12.19, 04:56:53
I have seen one of the LUTEC generators in person,and not all has been exposed as to how they work-well not yet anyway.
Did nobody offer to run it?
Quote from: Paul-R on 2018.12.19, 15:49:51
Did nobody offer to run it?
No,as it was at the AIT in WA.
The system the we live with has evolved vey quickly in th last 100 years and will continue to do so
Most of us with the spare time to even be able to communicate an experiment are living a life where hunger is not one of our problems
We have energy we have health facilities in some form while the starving societies seem to want guns which we give them , to use against each other,usually it is because their belief systems have not been addressed by capitolist values. Its like giving children matches in one way and we also are in that evolution process and also have a lot to learn.
women have only just been given the fredom to drive vehicles in nations where glass towers defy belief .
we all have along way to go and a safe way to get there.
As long as nobody starts pushing launch buttons we may yet evolve to an understanding where we can live together and not play blame games .
The people here who persue unusual effects are the real heros here but a storage meduim solves the free energy issue .
A story I heard from a person who was at an early sm demo said that just before the demo which changed location at the last minute .
Armed "agents" odrered the visitors out saying the this technology was the property of the united states government.
There were no more demos after other than the uec video which was purposely released .
I think we should be grateful for our quality of life and keep up the battle to keep the bastards honest .
Ask yourself what really matters to you then ask one of the thousands in the so called caravan of people just wanting to get away from aplace that has less far more but organised freedom (the cartels see to that).
There is alot to consider ....but getting grid independence from our solar arrays in a manner that works long term really does the job for us and the developing societies.
ALL WE NEED TO MAKE IS STORAGE THAT WORKS !...and is affordable,and yes the catels ...different ones support the drip feed strategy as do all busineses in one way or another.
I think im off topic here but thanks for the interaction.
Quote from: 3D Magnetics on 2018.12.20, 02:01:21
The system the we live with has evolved vey quickly in th last 100 years and will continue to do so
Most of us with the spare time to even be able to communicate an experiment are living a life where hunger is not one of our problems
We have energy we have health facilities in some form while the starving societies seem to want guns which we give them , to use against each other,usually it is because their belief systems have not been addressed by capitolist values. Its like giving children matches in one way and we also are in that evolution process and also have a lot to learn.
women have only just been given the fredom to drive vehicles in nations where glass towers defy belief .
we all have along way to go and a safe way to get there.
As long as nobody starts pushing launch buttons we may yet evolve to an understanding where we can live together and not play blame games .
The people here who persue unusual effects are the real heros here but a storage meduim solves the free energy issue .
A story I heard from a person who was at an early sm demo said that just before the demo which changed location at the last minute .
Armed "agents" odrered the visitors out saying the this technology was the property of the united states government.
There were no more demos after other than the uec video which was purposely released .
I think we should be grateful for our quality of life and keep up the battle to keep the bastards honest .
Ask yourself what really matters to you then ask one of the thousands in the so called caravan of people just wanting to get away from aplace that has less far more but organised freedom (the cartels see to that).
There is alot to consider ....but getting grid independence from our solar arrays in a manner that works long term really does the job for us and the developing societies.
ALL WE NEED TO MAKE IS STORAGE THAT WORKS !...and is affordable,and yes the catels ...different ones support the drip feed strategy as do all busineses in one way or another.
I think im off topic here but thanks for the interaction.
3D M
Launch buttons will never be pushed,unless by some demented hacker or govenmental employee
Who would they have to rule over then?
Back on topic
As i said,there is more to the LUTEC generator than was ever let out.
A device like this is extreemly hard to prove,but so easy to dismiss as a hoax or just measurement error.
I will let all here think about why that is,but it has to do with mosts belief that the !known theoretical! laws must stand.
There were many qualified people and groups that measured the P/in and P/out on the LUTEC generators,and all were positive results.
There are many videos showing measurements,using both analoge and digital meters,and all also show energy gains.
Both types of meters do a very good job at averaging out pulsed current and voltages-this has been proven many times here,and mostly by poynt99,who is probably the best of the best here.
But every time (i mean every time)a device shows a net gain in power,most say you cant rely on the meters-there wrong.
If the device shows a loss,then the meters always seem to be correct C.C.
The LUTEC generator was what it was claimed to be,but the powers that be got the (scam-fake)wheels turning,and the rest is history.
This tech will/is being presented now
Most will say thats nonsense.
Brad
As i understand it,the US will not grant patents on free energy machines,unless proven to work.
And yet here it is,a patent for a device that dose not work-apparently C.C
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6630806B1/en
Quote from: TinMan on 2018.12.20, 09:39:39
As i understand it,the US will not grant patents on free energy machines,unless proven to work.
And yet here it is,a patent for a device that dose not work-apparently C.C
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6630806B1/en
I don't think so. there are hundreds of useless devices on USPTO's system.
That patent is for a rotary controller.
Quote from: Paul-R on 2019.01.09, 16:02:16
I don't think so. there are hundreds of useless devices on USPTO's system.
That patent is for a rotary controller.
Agreed, except that I would say thousands or maybe even tens of thousands.
Can anyone verify this (from the pat office) re: the Lutec patent:
Quote2015-05-15 REMI Maintenance fee reminder mailed
2015-10-07 LAPS Lapse for failure to pay maintenance fees
2015-11-24 FP Expired due to failure to pay maintenance fee
Effective date: 20151007
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Year of fee payment: 7
2013-06-26 AS Assignment
Owner name: ENGEN HOLDINGS PTY LTD, AUSTRALIA
Free format text: ASSIGNMENT OF ASSIGNORS INTEREST;ASSIGNORS:CHRISTIE, VICTOR J;BRITS, LUDWIG E;SIGNING DATES FROM 20130524 TO 20130529;REEL/FRAME:030685/0525
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Effective date: 20151007
Yes I can confirm the patent now has no protection, but can't be patented again unless alterations are made and go through the whole process again, very very expensive.
Lots of patents go this way through not paying the yearly fee, it is a lot of money.
Regards
Mike 8)
What is needed to know here too is that the two inventors sold the patent to a new owner in 2013-06-26.
The new owner is ENGEN HOLDINGS PTY LTD, AUSTRALIA. Who are they? An oil company... see this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapid=308793284 (https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapid=308793284)
So it may not be surprising the new owner did not pay the yearly fee after a while...
Perhaps Brad has further pieces of information on this patent.
Gyula
Quote from: gyula on 2019.01.09, 20:47:39
What is needed to know here too is that the two inventors sold the patent to a new owner in 2013-06-26.
The new owner is ENGEN HOLDINGS PTY LTD, AUSTRALIA. Who are they? An oil company... see this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapid=308793284 (https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapid=308793284)
So it may not be surprising the new owner did not pay the yearly fee after a while...
Perhaps Brad has further pieces of information on this patent.
Gyula
Thanks Gyula, I was going to look that up. I wonder if it has been put under another name in a new patent filing!!!!
Dirty tricks it seems being uncovered, I know of this company in Spain.
Regards
Mike 8)
Here's the Patent application
Quote from: gyula on 2019.01.09, 20:47:39
What is needed to know here too is that the two inventors sold the patent to a new owner in 2013-06-26.
The new owner is ENGEN HOLDINGS PTY LTD, AUSTRALIA. Who are they? An oil company... see this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapid=308793284 (https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapid=308793284)
So it may not be surprising the new owner did not pay the yearly fee after a while...
Perhaps Brad has further pieces of information on this patent.
Gyula
The LUTEC generator design was sold to MOBIL Australia,but the patent rights were listed under ENGEN HOLDINGS,which was a branch of company for MOBILin the 90's.-AFAIK.
What a great way to burry a device.
First you buy the rights to the device.
You then patent the device under your name.
You then stop paying patent fee's,so as not to waste any more money.
Then,even though the patent is no longer valid,no one else can obtain a patent for the device.
How ever,if the owner of the patent pays all overdue fee's,the patent once again becomes valid.
Makes you wonder if there just waiting for the oil to run out C.C
Now,why would a billion dollar company buy the rights to a device that people say dose not work ?
Who can put 2 and 2 together?
Brad
Quote from: TinMan on 2019.01.10, 01:36:36
Who can put 2 and 2 together?
Brad
Got me, can't work that one out. Bad day in procurement office?
I will add,but cannot confirm,that John and Lou received 6.8 million for the design rights.
A good chunk of cash for a device that dose not work.
I will continue on with the -non-sense pulse motor.
Brad
Quote from: TinMan on 2019.01.10, 01:52:35
I will add,but cannot confirm,that John and Lou received 6.8 million for the design rights.
A good chunk of cash for a device that dose not work.
I will continue on with the -non-sense pulse motor.
Brad
wow 6.8mill fors omething that didn't work. Bet that bloke got sacked
Quote from: JimBoot on 2019.01.10, 04:25:35
wow 6.8mill fors omething that didn't work. Bet that bloke got sacked
Im sure he is fine.
In fact,probably got a promotion O0
For EXON-MOBIL, 6.8 Mil is mere pocket change. That was just insurance to make sure it never made it public since quarterly net profits are in the billions.
Quote from: Thaelin on 2019.01.10, 14:43:59
For EXON-MOBIL, 6.8 Mil is mere pocket change. That was just insurance to make sure it never made it public since quarterly net profits are in the billions.
If true, it should give us hope that we won't be "taken out", rather will be rewarded whether our device works or not, provided we can make enough noise in the media about it, as the Lutec inventors did. If true, this sort of negates "conspiracy hypotheses" that abound.
The Lutec build description is fairly well explained in the patent, which has not been "pulled" so anyone can construct the device for his own use, provided you have enough faith that it delivers the goods. In that regard, it did make it to the public, as the patent has not been locked away for "national (oil) security purposes"
I do suspect that before handing out 6.8 million (unconfirmed, this needs verification) and setting unnecessary precedents they (oil boys) would save a lot of money by hiring some good engineers for a few thou to check it out. If it did work. 6.8 million (needs fact check) would be not be nearly enough money for such a paradigm shattering device, e.g. some simple loss of limb accident cases pay that much. This would be worth hundreds of millions or more.
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QuoteThe Lutec build description is fairly well explained in the patent,
Provided they disclosed all the workings of the device.
There were also about 7 different configurations of the LUTEC generator--which one dose the patent describe ?.
Brad
Where is the generator now, that is the question. The video machine is quite big and looks heavy, no solid state of the art there I think, all relays etc.
The amount of money is not always the swaying amount, that was the sweetener for the nasty end of the deal. For a lot less they may have just disappeared if you get my drift, or slapped with some government official secrets act.
Regards
Mike
Quote from: Centraflow on 2019.01.12, 10:56:22
Where is the generator now, that is the question. The video machine is quite big and looks heavy, no solid state of the art there I think, all relays etc.
Regards
Mike
Which version of the generator?,as there were many different versions.
QuoteThe amount of money is not always the swaying amount, that was the sweetener for the nasty end of the deal. For a lot less they may have just disappeared if you get my drift, or slapped with some government official secrets act.
Reminds me of the Stan Meyer saga.
Whats the chances of dropping dead on the steps of the hotel you were having dinner at with the Arabs who you just refused a billion dollar deal with C.C
Quote from: TinMan on 2019.01.12, 11:34:11
Which version of the generator?,as there were many different versions.
Reminds me of the Stan Meyer saga.
Whats the chances of dropping dead on the steps of the hotel you were having dinner at with the Arabs who you just refused a billion dollar deal with C.C
I am talking about some years ago of the video of the picture that was posted by Graham, I have not seen any others.
Well I have seen more than most of the Stan Meyer things, I have seen the autopsy both official and non official, yes two. It was near instant, death from a cyanide derivative which when hits the brain it turns it to gelly after death, a stroke does not do that, it was a chemical reaction over a few hours afterwards. The time difference between two autopsies, the first a stroke and the second poison.
Regards
Mike 8)
Quote from: Centraflow on 2019.01.12, 11:47:57
I am talking about some years ago of the video of the picture that was posted by Graham, I have not seen any others.
Well I have seen more than most of the Stan Meyer things, I have seen the autopsy both official and non official, yes two. It was near instant, death from a cyanide derivative which when hits the brain it turns it to gelly after death, a stroke does not do that, it was a chemical reaction over a few hours afterwards. The time difference between two autopsies, the first a stroke and the second poison.
Regards
Mike 8)
The models i am aware of.
I like the last one O0
The 5th one is the one I saw many years ago, a demo of it working if I remember, maybe it was their first.
Regards
Mike 8)
6630806
RexResearch puts down the fallacy to incorrect measurement.
In the end, the only safe way is to measure the rate of increase in temperature of a bath of water.