Somebody please make a poll, should we ban ltseung888 from the forum or not? I'm really interested in what others think about his nonsense posts. (usually in locked topic)
This is not a personal blog site, there are rules, which he clearly don't follow. If EMdevices had to stop talking about this bullshit Flat earth story, why Tseung can do what he is doing?
Quote from: Chef on 2016.06.27, 17:00:57
Somebody please make a poll, should we ban ltseung888 from the forum or not? I'm really interested in what others think about his nonsense posts. (usually in locked topic)
This is not a personal blog site, there are rules, which he clearly don't follow. If EMdevices had to stop talking about this bullshit Flat earth story, why Tseung can do what he is doing?
Dear Chef.
I'm a firm believer in " Live and let live " !! O0
EM devices wasn't banned, as far as I'm aware, just asked to be a little less liberal with his profanities towards other members.
Just my two penneth......
Cheers Grum.
Poynt made Lawrence an offer many moons ago
a "send me something which proves your concept and I will test it for free " offer
not sure what happened with that ...but I also live by "live and let live" ..
however...some fellows have mentioned how the flat earth movement may have roots in discrediting
these types of forums so as to make the whole bunch look like "nutters" or fairy huggers...
and that being said I'm not saying EMdevices is anything of the sort.
just one mans opinion....
well Chet,
I just looked it up and my impression is that he simply posts things from other people and of course its total useless to post a link of an alleged chinese scientist who is speaking chinese in an english forum ?? !!
I think its all worthless, using up db-space and stealing time to read all that stuff only to discover ... its all less valuable.
If I would be the owner of this forum I would ask him to provide proof about the physics of the Fung wheel within a month else delete the topic.
If he tries again to repeat this sort of behaviour I would ban him because you made the key point here:
"however...some fellows have mentioned how the flat earth movement may have roots in discrediting
these types of forums so as to make the whole bunch look like "nutters" or fairy huggers..."
regards
Mike
I occasionally read his posts with amusement to see what nonsense he comes up with next. First came across him on the Steorn forum. If we wish to ban him for taking up valuable bandwidth we should also consider banning evolvingape :).
Incidentally, I "invented" a thrust motor working on an imbalance of centrifugal forces (greater rotation velocity on one side compared to the other) back around 1960. Even got the model shop to build one. It used a sliding arm rotating inside a cam profile. It didn't work of course, and I soon found out why. The mass has to accelerate or decelerate at the 90 degree points and the reaction to that acceleration/deceleration exactly counteracts the imbalance of centrifugal forces. Even if that acceleration/deceleration is provided magnetically there is still that reaction.
Smudge
I gave it an honest chance. I spent years trying to glean nuggets. There were none.
To be brutely honest I see alot of lonely people strumming keyboards. The internet has become that orchestra.
His posts don't influence me and I do takes sides with the administration of this site from the standpoint of waste. Lock him out. Pdf his account and posts, then scrub. Since this site is free then the rules of capitalism have to be enacted. If it aint making or saving money or if wasting resources, kick it to the curb. But then has there been anything new under the sun from anybody? I think not. #Rehash tag is the new mantra. The big explosion has happened years ago. Now there is a new breed peddling uphill until their 'Ah ha' moment. If anybody has been at this for more the 6 years then they haven't found anything yet. But then this is just my corporate, sociopath side speaking.
He who pours the oil controls the machine.
Quote from: Smudge on 2016.06.28, 10:25:21
If we wish to ban him for taking up valuable bandwidth we should also consider banning evolvingape :).
Yes you should, and everyone else on the forum who uses 'any bandwidth', including you. Hence no communication, no forum.. ;D
Bandwidth & Disk Space is actually free with this hosting account LOL
I like EMDevices but the flat earth theory is so far out whether true or not, we were getting complaints, i found the thread interesting though, but unfortunately i don't think it was doing anyone any favours including EMdevices.
I have at times thought about banning myself but i am not sure that would help anyone. C.C
Quote from: Peterae on 2016.06.28, 19:47:22
I have at times thought about banning myself but i am not sure that would help anyone. C.C
Ah the good old self banning! .99 has said he self banned from energetic, and I have self banned from energetic and ou.. maybe there are other self banners around..
It seems the objection to Lawrence stems from lack of credibility and the potential to use that as a weapon to harm the reputation of the forum. A long running PsyOp ?
Quote from: Peterae on 2016.06.28, 19:47:22
Bandwidth & Disk Space is actually free with this hosting account LOL
Do they support Python and Postgresql?
Quote from: Grumage on 2016.06.27, 17:36:05
I'm a firm believer in " Live and let live " !! O0
So am I, but I would like to see feedback buttons next to each post. YouTube has Like/Dislike buttons and FB has one, too.
On this forum I would like several buttons for technical accuracy, AdHominem/potty mouth, logical fallacies, etc... and bar graphs to indicate the score to date for each.
Quote from: Grumage on 2016.06.27, 17:36:05
EM devices wasn't banned, as far as I'm aware, just asked to be a little less liberal with his profanities towards other members.
IMO summary judgement is unscientific. Even the seemingly ridiculous ideas should be given consideration...all according to the scientific method of course.
Dear Verpies.
As usual, some witty and humorous one liners. O0
I have a few videos up on YT , but seem to suffer the aptly named " drive by " thumbs down " syndrome. Recently a guy commented on a video with very bad language I rejected his comments and lo, a barrage of thumbs down across the board!!
I have no problem with this but, would prefer the dislikes to tell me why, not be spineless hiding behind their anonymity.
Cheers Grum.
In some cases are feedback buttons a form of summary judgement ?
Summary judgment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_judgment
In law, a summary judgment (also judgment as a matter of law) is a judgment entered by a court for one party and against another party summarily, i.e., without a full trial. Such a judgment may be issued on the merits of an entire case, or on discrete issues in that case.
In the case of Lawrence Tseung the defendant refuses to engage virtually all cases put to him, and when engaged moves his position making reason an impossible cause to pursue.
Lawrence cannot therefore be judged by a full trial, necessitating summary judgement to bring about closure of the event.
Shall we dance..
Reproduced from overunity.com
One comment:
If you can use gravitational energy continuously, you are effectively tapping into the essence of the Universe. The entire universe has masses of different sizes. They attract each other. We, the Earth, the Sun are all attracted by other bodies from all sides. We are effectively immersed in a sea of gravitational forces. We are being pulled from all sides. If the pull on one side is greater, the force can do work or provide energy.
What you are claiming is that the Milkovic 2SO can already use such energy. UFO technology is not all that difficult. The seesaw action of the Milkovic 2SO brings the unbalanced forces and energy into the system. If the pendulum is replaced by an unbalanced wheel, the efficiency will be much higher.
If gravitational energy can be utilized this way, magnetic or electromagnetic energy can be brought in via magnetic pendulums or unbalanced magnetic wheels.
If it is this simple, why are we not seeing products...
*****
If you read Patrick Kelly's e-book, you would find hundreds if not thousands of free energy inventions.
If you follow Sterling Allan's website, you would get information on dozens of free energy inventions.
My experience tells me that the ones trying to stop the commercialization of such inventions are the most powerful Governments - USA and China. Both have the UFO technology. Many UFOs are man-made.
Both Governments can stop any invention from commercialization. All they need to do is to tell the inventors that the technology is of national security and offer some deals. My experience was that the 225 HP Pulse Motor or the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier could have been developed for the Market over 10 years ago. Instead, China developed the Nanjing UFO.
The Oil Cartel knows it and that is why the oil prices have dropped drastically.
My gut feel is that some small Nation will announce the UFO technology first...
*** If you read reply 545, you will find that Tesla Motors is selling the Powerwall. That is a form of lead-out energy. Apache Ong learned and improved the FLEET technology.
The Lee-Tseung nonsense?
Since Lee Cheung Kin passed away, I include his name here so that I would not be accused of stealing his credit. The Lee-Tseung nonsense include:
1. We are immersed in a sea of energy. These energies include gravitational, electromagnetic and bombardment by air molecules on Earth.
2. These forces and energies will still be surrounding an object even if we manage to cool the object to absolute zero degrees. Some people call such energy zero point energy.
3. If we can lead-out or bring-in such energies into a system, the system does not need conventional fuel. Such a system is NOT the impossible perpetual motion machine.
4. The water rocket can bring-in kinetic energy of air molecules as it is cooler after firing. The apparent Input energy is the pumping energy. The Real Input Energy is the sum of the pumping energy plus the kinetic energy of air molecules.
5. The Milkovic 2SO can bring-in gravitational energy as can be seen in the RHEAD video 5.
6. The pendulum can be replaced by an unbalanced wheel as in the Chan Wheel with much increased efficiency.
7. If gravitational energy can be brought-in in such a technique, magnetic or electromagnetic energy must be able to be brought-in. All we need to do is to replace the pendulum with a magnet and place other permanent magnets to provide the appropriate magnetic field.
8. In FLEET (Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer), we can bring-in electromagnetic energy via LCR type circuit resonance. Apache Ong learned and improved it. He now works for Tesla Motors. The Powerwall product is a result.
9. Lead-out electrical energy can be seen from the waveforms of an oscilloscope. The Input can be 5V DC. The BEMF spike can be over -580V across the coil. The current (voltage across a one ohm resistor) can still be positive. The product gives negative power. During the spike of around 2ms, negative energy is clearly seen and measureable.
10. The Fung wheel placed horizontally will not lead-out gravitational energy. This can be confirmed by experiment. The Fung Wheel is an unbalanced Wheel.
11. The ninth design of the lead-out energy flying saucer will provide a net thrust as a result of the difference in centrifugal forces.
12. The 225 HP Pulse motor developed in USA and funded by Hong Kong is real. It can use both lead-out gravitational and electromagnetic energies.
13. The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier is also real and uses both lead-out gravitational and electromagnetic energies.
14. USA and Chinese Governments (and may be others) developed man-made UFOs.
15. The UFO technology can wipe out all existing war planes, missiles and star war defenses. Thus the free energy and UFO technologies are not allowed to be developed commercially.
16. The inventors or supporters are being silenced in many ways. However, the patent offices allowed some "impossible" perpetual motion machine patents.
17. The Oil Cartel have seen working prototypes and allowed the price of oil to drop.
18. The rise of the lead-out energy flying saucer or UFO technology is inevitable. The World Leaders must rethink their strategies.
19. Our "nonsense" strategy is Love Thy Enemies and turn them into Brothers and Sisters.
20. The Goal of Tseung is to ensure that the knowledge is passed on. There is no point to carry it into the grave.
Lawrence,
I don't give a shit.
O0
evolvingape,
not even a fly-shit ?
Mike
Quote from: Kator01 on 2016.07.05, 00:30:51
not even a fly-shit ?
;D
Seems we can never get away from scaling in our positions!
Lawrences UFO conspiracy at this point is pseudoscientific.. (and I am being generous there), his Fung Wheel is an attempt at scientific credibility (with loadsa emotional strings attached!) and should be tolerated.. even though a great many other minds think a single frame of reference is doomed to failure.
That being said, I don't really give a shit, as there are much more important things demanding my attention.
ltseung888
Date Registered:
2011-01-10, 17:19:50
Quote from: evolvingape on 2016.07.09, 15:45:58
ltseung888
Date Registered:
2011-01-10, 17:19:50
Ah yes, kill the messenger. But what if the earth is flat? All the evidence that a thinking person requires is right in plain sight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcgxBTrmIhU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcgxBTrmIhU)
Ron
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.13, 23:52:01
Ah yes, kill the messenger. But what if the earth is flat? All the evidence that a thinking person requires is right in plain sight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcgxBTrmIhU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcgxBTrmIhU)
Ron
Ever heard of the mysterious field we live in, called gravity?
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.13, 23:52:01
Ah yes, kill the messenger.
Two posts in baby.. and you mention assassination, as a response to my post of Lawrence's easily available data. ???
Are you threatening me ?
How did you get into this forum ? Who sponsored you ?
Quote from: evolvingape on 2016.07.14, 18:19:46
Two posts in baby.. and you mention assassination, as a response to my post of Lawrence's easily available data. ???
Are you threatening me ?
How did you get into this forum ? Who sponsored you ?
LOL, I just used the last post "quote" What I was replying to was a summary of the negative posts about Lawrence.
My mistake I had no idea your post was a positive post defending Lawrence.
Ron
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.14, 18:35:18
LOL, I just used the last post "quote"
Very clever that was..
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.14, 18:35:18
What I was replying to was a summary of the negative posts about Lawrence.
Lawrence has far more negative support than positive, the majority of the positive can be influenced by a decent education in physics.
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.14, 18:35:18
My mistake I had no idea your post was a positive post defending Lawrence.
It wasn't..
My post was Lawrence's data on when he joined the forum, allowing readers to easily discern where he is now and how long it has taken him to get there, on this forum.
There was no polarity implied to the data by me, only by you.
Quote from: evolvingape on 2016.07.14, 18:19:46
How did you get into this forum ? Who sponsored you ?
These questions are still valid.
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.14, 18:35:18
My mistake I had no idea your post was a positive post defending Lawrence.
Ron
In reading this thread and the reason it was started was ... Lawrence bringing the message of the flat earth has been taken as sacrilege.
So ban (kill) the messenger was my understanding of this thread.
Did you view the Video I posted? Was that a threat to you? Tell me about it.
However, if we look intelligently at Lawrence's message we should not be alarmed, rather a process of understanding should tale place. We have been taught that the sun is moving through space at 450 miles per hour while the earth is corkscrewing around it at 67,000 miles per hour yet if we go out each night there is Polaris in the same spot! Can we not understand then, that these are two mutually exclusive statements?
Only one can be correct. As Oscam would suggest, with Polaris there every night the simplest answer is the earth is stationary. It could be a ball or it could be flat... but it is not moving.
Ron
Rob
I have followed Ron's work for quite some time , He is a wonderful fellow and an avid builder ,top shelf IMO.
It was Me....
O0
wow.. :D.. this is delicious stimulation! O0
You a 4 post veteran, dodges all counter arguments and pushes Lawrence as a flat earth advocate.. wow.. I mean.. WOW! :'(
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.14, 18:55:42
In reading this thread and the reason it was started was ... Lawrence bringing the message of the flat earth has been taken as sacrilege.
Wrong:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3166.msg55551#msg55551
So be it.
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.14, 18:55:42
So ban (kill) the messenger was my understanding of this thread.
You should study harder before committing to a position.
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.14, 18:55:42
Did you view the Video I posted? Was that a threat to you? Tell me about it.
Yes I viewed it.. what a PsyOp! ;D
Quote from: evolvingape on 2016.07.05, 18:56:55
Seems we can never get away from scaling in our positions!
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.14, 18:55:42
However, if we look intelligently at Lawrence's message we should not be alarmed, rather a process of understanding should tale place. We have been taught that the sun is moving through space at 450 miles per hour while the earth is corkscrewing around it at 67,000 miles per hour yet if we go out each night there is Polaris in the same spot! Can we not understand then, that these are two mutually exclusive statements?
Only one can be correct. As Oscam would suggest, with Polaris there every night the simplest answer is the earth is stationary. It could be a ball or it could be flat... but it is not moving.
Lawrence's
'message' is that
'systems can be coupled'.. a junior physics student understands this. O0
He has developed nothing, and is only tenuously grasping the difference between static mass and a rotational moment g field.
Quote from: Chet K on 2016.07.14, 19:17:55
Rob
I have followed Ron's work for quite some time , He is a wonderful fellow and an avid builder ,top shelf IMO.
It was Me....
O0
I don't give a shit what you think on this matter Chet, this guy came for me.. stay out of it.
Quote from: evolvingape on 2016.07.14, 18:19:46
How did you get into this forum ? Who sponsored you ?
These questions are still valid ronee.
Was merely answering your query
Quote
How did you get into this forum ? Who sponsored you ?
Quote from: Chet K on 2016.07.14, 19:48:16
Was merely answering your query
Quote
How did you get into this forum ? Who sponsored you ?
Oh I see..
What is this forum about Chet ? In fact let's open that question up to all member's..
It seems to be on everyone's minds after all..
Quote from: evolvingape on 2016.07.14, 18:19:46
How did you get into this forum ? Who sponsored you ?
Quote from: Chet K on 2016.07.14, 19:17:55
It was Me....
O0
This question is satisfied.
Rob
yes I suppose this needs attention since it keeps coming up here and elsewhere , I am at the end of my work day.. for the next 4-5 hrs I will be trying
to finish up some projects..
perhaps members should weigh in with their thoughts as you suggest ?
I have not watched the vid which Ron posted , I will try to later tonight.
respectfully
Chet
Quote from: Chet K on 2016.07.14, 20:24:07
I have not watched the vid which Ron posted , I will try to later tonight.
I got 13 minutes in and turned it off.. it's a sophisticated cr@p weapon aimed at stupid people.. specific gravity field theory debunks it simply and completely.
There is not an expert on the planet who will challenge me on specific gravity field theory.. what they gonna do wheel out Stephen Hawking to take on the evolvingape? ;D
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.13, 23:52:01
Ah yes, kill the messenger. But what if the earth is flat? All the evidence that a thinking person requires is right in plain sight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcgxBTrmIhU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcgxBTrmIhU)
Ron
Well I got to about 2:45 in the video linked and it was all garbage so I ceased to view it. To put it simply, he seems to be saying that the claimed curvature of a spherical Earth
across England would provide a hill on which a train would descend from it's peak under the force of gravity. Hahahaha, there seems to be a serious conceptual thinking error.
Oh my Lord.
Quote from: Farmhand on 2016.07.14, 22:23:46
Well I got to about 2:45 in the video
I admit I sneaked off about half way through the 13 minutes to make a cuppa, but I could still hear it from the kitchen!
So many people buying into the flat earth concept is quite shocking to me. I laugh but it is a serious situation.
What is to blame ? Is it the education system or the fluoride in the drinking water or just the distractions from reality that cause it ?
I'll blame the fluoride, there is no fluoride in our town water and never has been added to our water that I know of.
I asked a non educated friend (he cannot even read or write), I asked him how he knew the Earth was a globe/ball shape (sphere), he replied that all
the planets and moons and stars/suns are obviously round like balls.
I used to sit on a third story balcony in Bundaberg and enjoy the view, on some days I could see that the clouds gave away the curvature of the planet.
Over a distance of many kilometers in my field of view the layer of clouds which I assume were at a consistent altitude showed an obvious curvature.
I'm glad the thread replies stopped. The subject does not warrant a thread.
Quote from: Farmhand on 2016.07.15, 00:34:06
So many people buying into the flat earth concept is quite shocking to me. I laugh but it is a serious situation.
What is to blame ? Is it the education system or the fluoride in the drinking water or just the distractions from reality that cause it ?
I'll blame the fluoride, there is no fluoride in our town water and never has been added to our water that I know of.
I asked a non educated friend (he cannot even read or write), I asked him how he knew the Earth was a globe/ball shape (sphere), he replied that all
the planets and moons and stars/suns are obviously round like balls.
I used to sit on a third story balcony in Bundaberg and enjoy the view, on some days I could see that the clouds gave away the curvature of the planet.
Over a distance of many kilometers in my field of view the layer of clouds which I assume were at a consistent altitude showed an obvious curvature.
I'm glad the thread replies stopped. The subject does not warrant a thread.
Your previous post brought to mind a Dr Strangelove quote: "well, I, uh. don't think it;s fair to condemn a whole program because of a single slip up" (a train going up the curve... even I thought that was humorous)
What you may have missed then is the fact that water is flat... for miles and miles, So cannels and railroads are flat in that they are not made conforming to the ball earth theory. Aeroplanes do not fly off into space following their gyroscope horizon, they fly over a flat earth. The horizon is always at eye level no matter your height.
Explain these anomalies,Polaris, water being flat, the UN map, the sun's analemma, then offer up some proof of a ball earth and I will believe you.
So many people just parrot what they have been taught that they become hide bound, fossilized in their thinking ... and then they have the audacity to ridicule anyone who actually searches for the truth whether it be conspiracies or flat earth theories. I like to know how things work be it free energy devices, or the control paradigm.
Ron
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.14, 18:55:42
In reading this thread ... snip
Ron
My apologies, as a newby I misread an initial post thinking it was Lawrence that was touting the flat earth, when in fact it was emdevices
So no harm done, I hope, other than to generate some interesting posts and bring the flat earth into a better focus.
Ron
Quote from: evolvingape on 2016.07.14, 18:19:46
Two posts in baby.. and you mention assassination, as a response to my post of Lawrence's easily available data. ???
Are you threatening me ?
How did you get into this forum ? Who sponsored you ?
Quote from evolvingape
QuoteThis forum certainly allows for differing points of view and self moderation.
Well spoken, I agree
Ron
I am with Farmhand on this. How anyone can believe something as foolish as a flat earth is beyond my ability to understand. Unless you can move yourself a few thousand miles into space there is no way to realize the earth is curved. Standing on the earth you are simply too close to see such a gradual curve that has a diameter of thousands of miles.
Some proof the earth is not flat is simple. If the earth were flat there is no way it could be bright daylight in the U.S. and pitch dark at night in Australia at the same time.
Because this is such a silly subject I will not debate it with anyone that wants to believe in fairy tales. You can believe whatever you want just don't try to convince me your fantasies are true.
Quote from: CITFTA on 2016.07.15, 01:55:27
I am with Farmhand on this. How anyone can believe something as foolish as a flat earth is beyond my ability to understand. Unless you can move yourself a few thousand miles into space there is no way to realize the earth is curved. Standing on the earth you are simply too close to see such a gradual curve that has a diameter of thousands of miles.
Some proof the earth is not flat is simple. If the earth were flat there is no way it could be bright daylight in the U.S. and pitch dark at night in Australia at the same time.
Because this is such a silly subject I will not debate it with anyone that wants to believe in fairy tales. You can believe whatever you want just don't try to convince me your fantasies are true.
Ah, no debate from me either. However it is a popular subject here with over 500 hits, so I make no apologies about bringing it up.
This one says it better than I can:
https://www.google.ca/webhp?source=search_app&gws_rd=ssl#q=best+flat+earth+facts (https://www.google.ca/webhp?source=search_app&gws_rd=ssl#q=best+flat+earth+facts)
Ron
Discussions of Controversial Topics are always interesting to observe.
They reveal much about the various participants; much more-so than
non-controversial topics.
Frankly, I've always enjoyed reading the postings that Lawrence
contributes to the forum. His viewpoints stimulate thought plus
he's modest, articulate and polite.
Regarding the Geometric Characteristics of Planet Earth:
Abductees who've been taken aboard Alien Craft and who've
been transported in the craft as far as the Station in the vicinity
of Planet Saturn report that Planet Earth is indeed a beautiful
and uniquely colorful globe.
I cannot disagree with first-hand visual identification.
Quote from: evolvingape on 2016.07.14, 19:40:30
I don't give a shit what you think on this matter Chet, this guy came for me.. stay out of it.
Rob, had you not heard the phrase "Kill the messenger"? Actually that was a movie... the corrected phrase is "Shooting the messenger"
I quote: "Shooting the messenger is a metaphoric phrase used to describe the act of blaming the bearer of bad news" (or ideas we disagree with) R
So I did not, "come for you" but was implying the forums dislike of the ideas brought forth by Lawrence and emdevices. The implication being they were the MESSENGERS, ban them!
Just a simple misunderstanding on your part, I am sure, I would accept your apology with pleasure and we can move on.
Ron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger)
I got a better idea.. bye!
Quote from: evolvingape on 2016.07.15, 19:19:56
I got a better idea.. bye!
Well as you labelled me a terrorist, coming on this thread and making death threats directed at you, (bizarrely false) I though I should give you the chance to set the record straight.
That offer was a test to see what kind of man you were... now everybody knows!
Ron
Quote from: ronee on 2016.07.14, 18:55:42
In reading this thread and the reason it was started was ... Lawrence bringing the message of the flat earth has been taken as sacrilege.
So ban (kill) the messenger was my understanding of this thread.
Did you view the Video I posted? Was that a threat to you? Tell me about it.
However, if we look intelligently at Lawrence's message we should not be alarmed, rather a process of understanding should tale place. We have been taught that the sun is moving through space at 450 miles per hour while the earth is corkscrewing around it at 67,000 miles per hour yet if we go out each night there is Polaris in the same spot! Can we not understand then, that these are two mutually exclusive statements?
Only one can be correct. As Oscam would suggest, with Polaris there every night the simplest answer is the earth is stationary. It could be a ball or it could be flat... but it is not moving.
Ron
Sometimes I have trouble believing that certain posters on this website can be so ill-informed and ignorant.
Let's examine that argument about Polaris, for example. It betrays a vast degree of ignorance about astronomy. There is nothing "mutually exclusive" about the fact that Polaris, and indeed all the other stars, seem to be in (nearly) the same place in the sky, even though the Earth is moving through space. The stars are quite distant, after all!
Come, let us calculate together.
Polaris was found, by the Hipparchus sky survey using parallax methods, to be about 433 light-years from Earth. Translated into kilometers, that is roughly 4.1 x 10
15 km distant. (if google did the math right.)
Let us imagine that the Solar system is moving in a direction at a right angle to the direction of Polaris, at a velocity of 450 mph, or about 725 km/hr. In one year, containing 8766 hours, therefore, it will have moved about 6.4 x 10
6 kilometers.
Now draw the triangle, with P representing Polaris, E representing Earth, and B representing the position of the Earth (or solar system) after one year. And further assume that the angle PEB is a right angle, so you get the most "bang for your buck". Now find the angle BPE. Would you expect to be able to see the difference in Polaris's position due to the motion of the Solar system after one year? How about after ten years? A hundred? A thousand years?
In fact, Polaris is not always in the same position in the sky, since it is not exactly at the True North Celestial Pole. It appears to rotate around the TNCP daily. It also has its own "proper motion" through space just as our old sun Sol does, and its apparent position at any given instant is a result of all these motions. Many years ago it was not the "North Star" and many years from now it will not be the "North Star" again.
There are many other true and observable facts of observational astronomy that completely disprove "flat earth" silliness (I can't bring myself to call it a "theory"). But of course it is useless to attempt to discuss them, because the FE-ers will just tell you that all the real evidence (like the distance to Polaris used in my example) is faked.
Even though you can see for yourselves that the stars rise 4 minutes earlier each night, and the moon rises 50 minutes later each night -- both observations that anyone can make easily enough -- the significance of these facts is lost on the FE-ers. They need to postulate increasingly convoluted and contrived systems of fakery in order to account for simple observations like these, when in fact the simplest explanation that fits _all_ observational facts is that of conventional astronomy: planets including the Earth are (roughly) spheres, stars are very distant, the moon is not a hologram but is a real satellite, the Sun is 93 million miles away not 3000, etc etc. William of Ockham is LOLing in his grave from being misused ( and misspelled).
Quote from: TinselKoala on 2016.07.22, 08:50:39
Sometimes I have trouble believing that certain posters on this website can be so ill-informed and ignorant.
TK,
What is your opinion on - Milkovic 2SO leads out gravitational energy when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position. The centrifugal force at that instant is highest. Thus it was able to lift the weight...
I find it quite peculiar for Lawrence to be engaging TK, when TK has left me so many attractive lines of enquiry..
Strange times we live in.. :-\
So we are the medium platform in a petri dish!
I knew it. This explains why there are so many scumbags in society!
Friggin lowest of the low bacteria.
Just kojin' ya know. But my affirmation still stands.
QuoteI haven't been around for a while lots going on, just checking in and notice my name mentioned. FYI, I was not banned and my posting on the flat earth discovery were deleted by me. Better stay focused on free energy.
Hi EM
Great to hear you are back here, hopefully no bad feelings, i hope you understand it was damaging the forum when it was top of the board all the time, sounds like you are going about things the right way with your dissertation. O0
Regards
Peter