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The propagandists have been crying Global Warming for
quite a while.  Here is an interesting item which appeared
in the Washington Post on November 2, 1922. (https://www.datalounge.com/thread/9083465-the-washington-post-november-2-1922)

Same old scaremongering which is being re-hashed
now. C.C

By the way, all opinions are welcomed in this discussion
no matter how "extreme" some may consider them. 8)

Conspiracy Theories are Welcome as most have proven to be
Conspiracy Fact. :o

Sea Stories and Grunt Odes are welcomed too. :)

Quote from: muDped on 2017.07.25, 06:57:06
The propagandists have been crying Global Warming for
quite a while.  Here is an interesting item which appeared
in the Washington Post on November 2, 1922. (https://www.datalounge.com/thread/9083465-the-washington-post-november-2-1922)

Same old scaremongering which is being re-hashed
now. C.C

By the way, all opinions are welcomed in this discussion
now matter how "extreme" some may consider them. 8)

Conspiracy Theories are Welcome as most have proven to be
Conspiracy Fact. :o

Sea Stories and Grunt Odes are welcomed too. :)

Excellent addition muDped, thanks!

I would like to start off with the glorious concept that the buying and selling of Carbon Tax will save the world...

However some of the die-hards in other threads never recognized  the lead British Columbia established. To correct this omission here, by a fellow Canuck, are the facts...

QuoteStill, BC's carbon pricing system is the best in North America and probably the world. The province has finished the nitty-gritty work of drafting statutes and regulations to implement the system. Oregon and Washington could do worse than to copy them, word for word, into their tax codes, then make adjustments needed to match circumstances. (Washington, for example, cannot rebate the carbon tax revenue through its income tax, because it does not have one. Instead, it could reduce sales and business taxes and provide rebates to low-income families

http://www.sightline.org/2014/03/11/all-you-need-to-know-about-bcs-carbon-tax-shift-in-five-charts/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyZrugdek1QIVUV9-Ch0d9QHcEAAYAiAAEgKfSfD_BwE (http://www.sightline.org/2014/03/11/all-you-need-to-know-about-bcs-carbon-tax-shift-in-five-charts/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyZrugdek1QIVUV9-Ch0d9QHcEAAYAiAAEgKfSfD_BwE)

But the bottom line is it is just a tax that has let them rake in 5 billion dollars... this will undoubtedly save the world, right?

Ron

Carbon Dioxide is a Greenhouse Gas. (http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/00-077.htm)  It has been used
to supplement natural levels of Carbon Dioxide within
greenhouses for decades.

Has the meaning of "Greenhouse Gas" been purposely
altered in order to support the fiction of Global Warming?
To create the illusion that levels of Carbon Dioxide within
the Earth's atmosphere somehow make our Planet warmer?

On the related topic of Climate Change:

Air Force admits control of weather (http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/air-force-bombshell-admits-they-can-control-weather-haarp/)

Weather warfare (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1207.cfm)

Scientists engineer thunderstorms (http://www.naturalnews.com/030998_weather_control_Abu_Dhabi.html)

Another take on:  Who Controls the Weather? (https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/booklets/who-controls-the-weather/content)

The Science Fraud regarding tinkered with temperature data (http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-25-global-warming-bombshell-systematic-science-fraud-revealed-in-alteration-of-temperature-data.html)
is coming into the light of day.

Airborne Activity in the skies has been relatively quiet where
I'm located for the past several weeks.  The "trails" are quite
short and are positioned above existing natural clouds or
already forming artificial clouds to heighten and expand
the structure.

Chemtrails Exposed and the New Manhattan Project (http://www.activistpost.com/2017/07/chemtrails-exposed-coal-fly-ash-new-manhattan-project.html)

Use HAARP to flex any part of the ionosphere thereby creating a vacuum which draws the rest of the stratosphere to it. This creates a diminishment 180 degrees away creating a thin spot in the upper atmosphere. Release chemtrails at any part to 'CONTROL' the setup. One could fry continents, create light zones, create deep or thick precipitation zones.
Ah yes. The rich get water and the poor burn. Move all your assets to an arctic region and pop the Yellowstone caldera. It all make very clear sense now.

An important aspect of "Control" is that it necessarily
must be ever-present.  Check this out (https://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/keshas-video-praying-is-said-to-be-liberating-but-it-is-actually-about-her-remaining-an-industry-slave/l) to see how the
entertainment industry is "controlled" by the same "elites"
who comprise the Deep State.

The "Behavior Modified Thinking Process" is essential to
the complete deceit of the common folk.  The People are
gradually conditioned to accept all that emanates from
The Matrix as Reality or The New Truth.

I am unsure as to how anyone could think that the global warming thing is some sort bullshit.

Forget about what you !think! the badies are trying to do,and use your own common sense.

I have been alive long enough to see and feel the effects,and so no one will tell me otherwise.

I am living walking proof that the UV index has risen beyond belief in the past 30 years
And what dose it mean when more ultraviolet light is hitting the earths surface ?
What is the result of more of the suns energy making ground contact ?

No rocket science here  C.C


Brad

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.07.27, 13:58:32
I am unsure as to how anyone could think that the global warming thing is some sort bullshit.

Forget about what you !think! the badies are trying to do,and use your own common sense.

I have been alive long enough to see and feel the effects,and so no one will tell me otherwise.

I am living walking proof that the UV index has risen beyond belief in the past 30 years
And what dose it mean when more ultraviolet light is hitting the earths surface ?
What is the result of more of the suns energy making ground contact ?

No rocket science here  C.C


Brad

So are you saying the global warming is coming from the sun too? Or you still stuck on CO2?
Or are you saying the small rise in CO2 is causing more ultra violet to get through to the ground.  How is this accomplished if that's what you mean?

Quote:-
So are you saying the global warming is coming from the sun too? Or you still stuck on CO2?
Or are you saying the small rise in CO2 is causing more ultra violet to get through to the ground.  How is this accomplished if that's what you mean?
Unquote

Both, the sun is doing some unusual things ATM, last week we were hit by an electromagnetic event that came from the sun. Not really bad, but bad enough to take out some electronics such as cell phone repeaters and TV repeaters in some areas. It also causes volcanic movement like the moon controls the oceans.

The World needs CO, but in a balance, that balance has been destroyed and getting worse. The UV levels have gone up in certain areas of the world. The general weather has also changed, as Tinman has said, open your eyes. I do not know how old anyone is, but I am 66 going on 67 and have seen a lot, not only on one country, but many, I now live in Spain and we have hit yet again an all time weather change record this year.

I could go on but I am tired from returning from my 1300km journy by car, maybe tomorrow, though have a lot to do over the next few days (37c here at 6:58 in the evening, 500mtrs up in the mountains)

Regards

Mike 8)

https://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Sun1lite.htm

Heating the Earth

Sunlight carries energy, which warms up the Earth and is the driving force behind all our weather and climate.

Some thoughts on Global Warming. (http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/)  Good comments.

Toronto Heat Wave (http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2017/07/150-years-ago-toronto-sweltered-today.html#links)

Geo-Engineering (http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2017/07/geo-engineering-sucking-up-carbon.html#links)

Scroll through the page for more interesting reads.


Sea levels rising?  Straight scoop (http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-26-nasa-confirms-sea-levels-have-been-falling-across-the-planet-for-two-years-media-silent.html).

Quote from: muDped on 2017.07.27, 20:40:50
Some thoughts on Global Warming. (http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/)  Good comments.

Toronto Heat Wave (http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2017/07/150-years-ago-toronto-sweltered-today.html#links)

Geo-Engineering (http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2017/07/geo-engineering-sucking-up-carbon.html#links)

Scroll through the page for more interesting reads.


Sea levels rising?  Straight scoop (http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-26-nasa-confirms-sea-levels-have-been-falling-across-the-planet-for-two-years-media-silent.html).

Here is the other prong of weather control... food control, they go hand in glove:

QuoteThis skillfully researched book focuses on how a small socio-political American elite seeks to establish control over the very basis of human survival: the provision of our daily bread. "Control the food and you control the people."This is no ordinary book about the perils of GMO.  Engdahl takes the reader inside the corridors of power, into the backrooms of the science labs, behind closed doors in the corporate boardrooms.

The author cogently reveals a diabolical World of profit-driven political intrigue, government corruption and coercion, where genetic manipulation and the patenting of life forms are used to gain worldwide control over food production. If the book often reads as a crime story, that should come as no surprise. For that is what it is.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/genetically-engineered-destruction/24598 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/genetically-engineered-destruction/24598)

Ron

Quote from: Room3327 on 2017.07.27, 16:31:14
So are you saying the global warming is coming from the sun too? Or you still stuck on CO2?
Or are you saying the small rise in CO2 is causing more ultra violet to get through to the ground.  How is this accomplished if that's what you mean?

Think about it.
What dose the Ozone layer do?
Did-or has man had a direct impact on the Ozone layer?

Am i saying global warming is coming from the sun?--where else do you think it is coming from?
As i said-what happens when more of the suns energy makes it to ground?
What is the cause of more of the suns energy making it to ground?

See-no rocket science involved.
Man is directly linked to global warming.


Brad

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.07.28, 04:46:54

See-no rocket science involved.
Man is directly linked to global warming.

Brad

Quote
A week after my colleague James Delingpole , on his Telegraph blog, coined the term "Climategate" to describe the scandal revealed by the leaked emails from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit, Google was showing that the word now appears across the internet more than nine million times. But in all these acres of electronic coverage, one hugely relevant point about these thousands of documents has largely been missed.
The reason why even the Guardian's George Monbiot has expressed total shock and dismay at the picture revealed by the documents is that their authors are not just any old bunch of academics. Their importance cannot be overestimated, What we are looking at here is the small group of scientists who have for years been more influential in driving the worldwide alarm over global warming than any others, not least through the role they play at the heart of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
Professor Philip Jones, the CRU's director, is in charge of the two key sets of data used by the IPCC to draw up its reports. Through its link to the Hadley Centre, part of the UK Met Office, which selects most of the IPCC's key scientific contributors, his global temperature record is the most important of the four sets of temperature data on which the IPCC and governments rely – not least for their predictions that the world will warm to catastrophic levels unless trillions of dollars are spent to avert it.
Dr Jones is also a key part of the closely knit group of American and British scientists responsible for promoting that picture of world temperatures conveyed by Michael Mann's "hockey stick" graph which 10 years ago turned climate history on its head by showing that, after 1,000 years of decline, global temperatures have recently shot up to their highest level in recorded history.
Given star billing by the IPCC, not least for the way it appeared to eliminate the long-accepted Mediaeval Warm Period when temperatures were higher they are today, the graph became the central icon of the entire man-made global warming movement.

Since 2003, however, when the statistical methods used to create the "hockey stick" were first exposed as fundamentally flawed by an expert Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre , an increasingly heated battle has been raging between Mann's supporters, calling themselves "the Hockey Team", and McIntyre and his own allies, as they have ever more devastatingly called into question the entire statistical basis on which the IPCC and CRU construct their case.
The senders and recipients of the leaked CRU emails constitute a cast list of the IPCC's scientific elite, including not just the "Hockey Team", such as Dr Mann himself, Dr Jones and his CRU colleague Keith Briffa, but Ben Santer, responsible for a highly controversial rewriting of key passages in the IPCC's 1995 report; Kevin Trenberth, who similarly controversially pushed the IPCC into scaremongering over hurricane activity; and Gavin Schmidt, right-hand man to Al Gore's ally Dr James Hansen, whose own GISS record of surface temperature data is second in importance only to that of the CRU itself.
There are three threads in particular in the leaked documents which have sent a shock wave through informed observers across the world. Perhaps the most obvious, as lucidly put together by Willis Eschenbach (see McIntyre's blog Climate Audit and Anthony Watt's blog Watts Up With That ), is the highly disturbing series of emails which show how Dr Jones and his colleagues have for years been discussing the devious tactics whereby they could avoid releasing their data to outsiders under freedom of information laws.
They have come up with every possible excuse for concealing the background data on which their findings and temperature records were based.
This in itself has become a major scandal, not least Dr Jones's refusal to release the basic data from which the CRU derives its hugely influential temperature record, which culminated last summer in his startling claim that much of the data from all over the world had simply got "lost". Most incriminating of all are the emails in which scientists are advised to delete large chunks of data, which, when this is done after receipt of a freedom of information request, is a criminal offence.
But the question which inevitably arises from this systematic refusal to release their data is – what is it that these scientists seem so anxious to hide? The second and most shocking revelation of the leaked documents is how they show the scientists trying to manipulate data through their tortuous computer programmes, always to point in only the one desired direction – to lower past temperatures and to "adjust" recent temperatures upwards, in order to convey the impression of an accelerated warming. This comes up so often (not least in the documents relating to computer data in the Harry Read Me file) that it becomes the most disturbing single element of the entire story. This is what Mr McIntyre caught Dr Hansen doing with his GISS temperature record last year (after which Hansen was forced to revise his record), and two further shocking examples have now come to light from Australia and New Zealand.
In each of these countries it has been possible for local scientists to compare the official temperature record with the original data on which it was supposedly based. In each case it is clear that the same trick has been played – to turn an essentially flat temperature chart into a graph which shows temperatures steadily rising. And in each case this manipulation was carried out under the influence of the CRU.
What is tragically evident from the Harry Read Me file is the picture it gives of the CRU scientists hopelessly at sea with the complex computer programmes they had devised to contort their data in the approved direction, more than once expressing their own desperation at how difficult it was to get the desired results.
The third shocking revelation of these documents is the ruthless way in which these academics have been determined to silence any expert questioning of the findings they have arrived at by such dubious methods – not just by refusing to disclose their basic data but by discrediting and freezing out any scientific journal which dares to publish their critics' work. It seems they are prepared to stop at nothing to stifle scientific debate in this way, not least by ensuring that no dissenting research should find its way into the pages of IPCC reports.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html)

Ron

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.07.28, 04:46:54
Think about it.
What dose the Ozone layer do?
Did-or has man had a direct impact on the Ozone layer?

Am i saying global warming is coming from the sun?--where else do you think it is coming from?
As i said-what happens when more of the suns energy makes it to ground?
What is the cause of more of the suns energy making it to ground?

See-no rocket science involved.
Man is directly linked to global warming.


Brad

Brad you should read this article, short and very good information on CO2 and global warming.

www.ncpa.org/pub/ba256

Room

There is always some scandal to counteract another scandal.

As i said,the fact's speak for them self.
The only way you get the truth,is to live it--and i have.

Regardless of what rubbish you can dig up,it is no match for what i myself have lived through-which is the !only! truth.

But,in this case,i do not stand alone.
Both science and math back me up,and so there can be no denial that man has caused !to some degree! global warming.

So for the !global warming! neigh sayers,i give you just one challenge-->
Find just one single reputable organization that says the UV index has not risen over the past 30 years--just one,along with the supporting data.

Now that you have the truth about that,you need to do some math,that is backed by scientific facts.
If the amount of UV sunlight that hits the earths surface has risen,what dose that do to the amount of heat energy that makes land fall?

As i stated before,35 years ago,i could spend all day in the sun,without a shirt,and perhaps only end up with a slight shade of red skin-not even enough to be irritating.
But there is no chance in hell you can do that now. 20 minutes in the sun without a shirt and hat, or being plastered in 15+ SPF sunscreen,and you are cooked to the point of blistering.

These are facts-not fiction,and you simply cannot deny facts--not even with all your fancy,wacky spun yarns found all over the internet.

The UV factor go's up--global temperatures go up.

Who thinned out,and put holes in the Ozone layer ????????


Brad

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.07.28, 17:24:34

These are facts-not fiction,and you simply cannot deny facts--not even with all your fancy,wacky spun yarns found all over the internet.

Brad

I don't think anyone here is denying that climate changes. All that is being stated is that so far it is within normal parameters.

What is being denied is that the average man in the street is responsible for the change. You have failed to take into account the TPTB's nuclear testing, weather modification programs such as HAARP and Chem trails. Haarp was just their kindergarten, they have mastered that and moved on to more active and precise control of weather and earthquakes.

What is it about an "ionispheric heater" that you don't understand?

And why have free energy devices been taboo? We are responsible for for being limited to coal and oil?

The US Air force announced that they would control the weather by 2025, what they didn't say is they are there now and that they are using it as a weapon. An example, they stop any rain fronts from moving onto California until the place is nearly a desert, the ground water all pumped out, the land sinking. Then they pump up a few storms and try and wash the place into the sea, this is normal? But this, in varying scales, is taking place all over the world and the official Global Warming narrative has us, the victim, as the perpetrator.

Those that support the  official narrative are just being used as useful idiots.

Ron

This is a losing battle. Stop using the internet which is a clearing house for massive amount of plastic and petrol consumption and stop China and 3rd world countries from noxious producing.
Then we Americans can worry about OUR consumption/production.
Until then when one is standing don't run with scissors and when sitting either sit up straight or put your head down.

Why is it that everyone needs a mental dumping ground for their distorted, misled and propagandized  beliefs?
Sheesh. Ya think there was more important things to pursue.

Quote from: Tinman
Both science and math back me up,and so there can be no denial that man has caused !to some degree! global warming.

That would, of course,depend upon the validity of the
"science" and the "math" that you refer to.

Those who have sought to control the weather have
developed some proficiency.  They are indeed able to
produce prolonged "Heat Waves" in certain areas,
prolonged "Droughts", massive rain events which cause
incredibly rapid flooding and to steer Hurricanes and Cyclones
while either increasing or decreasing their intensity.

They are men who have enormous financial and military
resources behind them.  What they have done and are
doing will be blamed upon the "Common Folk" in order
to advance the AGENDA.

They are doing what they do to destroy the Planet to
rid the World of "Cattle and Useless Eaters" (the Common
Folk) in order to make it New for a small number of Themselves.

The Agenda of Mass Destruction is just getting started.  It
must be made to appear "Natural."  Look for an increase in
wars all across the Globe as well as decreased Health Care
options, (already begun in U.K. and U.S.), Forced Vaccinations
coupled with other draconian loss of freedoms.

It is very difficult for the vast majority to come to grips with the
magnitude of wickedness that the Lovers of Money are intending
to visit upon our unique Planet.

World War I and the followup World War II were naught more than
"dress rehearsals" for what is soon to come...

Quote from: ronee on 2017.07.28, 20:10:28












Ron

QuoteI don't think anyone here is denying that climate changes. All that is being stated is that so far it is within normal parameters.

The thread title is-global warming is a hoax--> it is not.

QuoteWhat is being denied is that the average man in the street is responsible for the change.

Also untrue.
It is man in general that has severely damaged the Ozone layer.

QuoteYou have failed to take into account the TPTB's nuclear testing, weather modification programs such as HAARP and Chem trails.

Once again-all mans doing,and humanities willingness to allow it to happen

 

QuoteHaarp was just their kindergarten, they have mastered that and moved on to more active and precise control of weather and earthquakes.

Starting to stretch things a little here Ron.
The weather pattern where i have lived all my life,has not changed much at all-other than getting warmer,and a massive increase in the UV index.

QuoteWhat is it about an "ionispheric heater" that you don't understand?

I remind you again of the title of the thread--global warming is a hoax.
It would seem to me that you are showing the many different ways man has contributed to global warming.

QuoteAnd why have free energy devices been taboo?

What free energy devices?
Can you put forth,or provide information related to a proven free energy device?

QuoteWe are responsible for for being limited to coal and oil?

Yes we are,as everyone has a choice.
Is there anything stopping you from going solar?
If you are going to purchase a new vehicle,would it be electric or fossil fuel powered?--the choice is yours.

QuoteThe US Air force announced that they would control the weather by 2025, what they didn't say is they are there now and that they are using it as a weapon.

And who allows this to happen? what is the US air force comprised of? who runs the US air force?
The answers are-man,man ,and man.

QuoteAn example, they stop any rain fronts from moving onto California until the place is nearly a desert, the ground water all pumped out, the land sinking. Then they pump up a few storms and try and wash the place into the sea, this is normal?

Nope,this is man.

QuoteBut this, in varying scales, is taking place all over the world and the official Global Warming narrative has us, the victim, as the perpetrator.

Here in Australia,it is an offence to not render assistance at the seen of an accident.
So,if you do nothing,you are committing an offence .

QuoteThose that support the  official narrative are just being used as useful idiots.

You seem to have had a !nit pick! at a few of the many reasons for global warming.
But regardless of what you have presented,it is all mans doing-whether you consider that group of man to be friend or foe.

Switching on your lights at night,while hooked to the grid,you are knowingly supporting those that you despise.
Jumping in your fossil fuel powered car,and heading off to the shop's,you are knowingly supporting those that you despise .

It's all well and good to go blaming others,but there you are,supporting those that you blame.
And,as long as you continue to support them,they will continue to provide.

So yes,man in general is responsible for global warming,because man in general supports those that they deem to be responsible.

Im not sure how closely you follow what is happening over here in Oz,but we have started the war against fossil fuels--and we are winning.

A new stance against fossil fuels began to rise up about 2 years ago,and now has gained momentum beyond what we would have thought possible-to the point where the big banks are withdrawing funding the beginnings of large coal mines -and the likes.
It's called !lock the gate!--and it's kicking the ass of those that thought them self !untouchable!

There is also a massive amount of people switching to solar,and saying bye bye to the grid supplied power.
We then had the government try to introduce a solar panel tax-a tax on those that has PV systems on there rooftop.
The Western Australian people soon put a stop to that,and at the very next election,those clowns got voted out of power--simple as that.

The people here are speaking,and the people here are winning.
We simply said-enough is enough.

You simply cant say that man !in general! was not responsible for the depletion of the Ozone layer
And you simply cant say that the increase in the UV index did not contribute to the rising temperatures here on earth.

So no-Global warming is not a hoax--and yes,man is responsible for global warming.


Brad

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.07.29, 01:47:35
The thread title is-global warming is a hoax--> it is not.
snip

So no-Global warming is not a hoax--and yes,man is responsible for global warming.

Brad

Dream on mate

QuoteOligarchy is a form of government in which power is vested in a dominant class and a small group exercises control over the general population.

A new study from Princeton and Northwestern Universities concluded that the U.S. government represents not the interests of the majority of citizens but those of the rich and powerful.

"Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens" analyzed extensive data, comparing nearly 1,800 U.S. policies enacted between 1981 and 2002 with the expressed preferences of average and affluent Americans as well as special interest groups.

The resulting data empirically verifies that U.S. policies are determined by the economic elite.

The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence," says the peer-reviewed study.

And this applies to my country as well as yours.

http://thecrux.com/shocking-proof-about-who-really-runs-the-u-s-government/ (http://thecrux.com/shocking-proof-about-who-really-runs-the-u-s-government/)

Perhaps you can explain to me how buying and trading carbon tax credits will end "Global Warming"?
It is a HOAX based on false information

You and I have no choice! Why do you continue to blame us?

Ron

Snowflakes on aisle #1. This is a very inside joke.

And yes the rich need to run this country. The rich got rich because they continued to invest in the company and its employees.
The common folk, those who are just worker based mentality work and spend what they they have. The only investment type thinking they understand is the freshly mowed lawn, vacation once a year and the couch. This type is activity cycle is detrimental to the growth of a nation past consumerism. Do I do this? Well in a way. I am on my second property that is white picket fence. Because when I pick up stakes and rent this one I am in business and the write offs offset the taxes on retirement distributions. I have been in business all my life with no employees, only contractors. They can fend for themselves. I will not copy the government doal program of welfare by buying personal things for my workers. Its my game and I do not share. You want something? Work for it. You consume it? Then don't bitch about manufacturing it.

The elite are snowflakes with money.
A large percent of Apple phone users are snowflakes. They bitch about the fallout of consumerism yet consume the same things. That, my friends, is a description of an idiot. A previous example in history are the French from the 1600 and 1700s. Elitetists with huge moral problems. And the Russians soon followed suit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_the_Great (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_the_Great)

Know thy history! Snowflakes are public school, television trained minions. They will complain all their lives and attain nothing yet spend what they have to get things of their personal desires. TV was nicknamed 'Idiot box' and 'boobtube'. Have we a good understanding now?

Millenials now have traded the white picket fence for the street, the mowed lawn for dreadlocks, the couch for the megaphone. Same as it ever was.
Insane, sarcastic genius:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98AJUj-qxHI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98AJUj-qxHI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u06DpcFXc4U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u06DpcFXc4U)

Since the human species is so damn smart why do we continue to shit in our own nest? We should have been traveling to the stars by now.

Laugh it up. It will all be over very soon.

The Global Warming narrative is indeed a hoax.
It is an artificial construct based upon falsified data.
Regional warming trends are balanced by regional cooling trends.
Naturally.

Carbon Dioxide (CO₂) is not a Problem unless there
is too little.

Related news:  Getting to the root of the problems (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=155373).

Could it be that the World is beginning to "Wake Up" to the
Evils of the West?

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Quote- Man is responsible for global warming.

QuoteDream on mate

Well,i dont know what planet your living on,but--

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/uv-exposure.html
Quote-NASA scientists analyzing 30 years of satellite data have found that the amount of ultraviolet (UV) radiation reaching Earth's surface has increased markedly over the last three decades. Most of the increase has occurred in the mid-and-high latitudes, and there's been little or no increase in tropical regions.
The new analysis shows, for example, that at one line of latitude — 32.5 degrees — a line that runs through central Texas in the northern hemisphere and the country of Uruguay in the southern hemisphere, 305 nanometer UV levels have gone up by some 6 percent on average since 1979.
The primary culprit: decreasing levels of stratospheric ozone, a colorless gas that acts as Earth's natural sunscreen by shielding the surface from damaging UV radiation.

http://www.sunsmart.com.au/about/media-campaigns/media-releases/2012-media-releases/media_release_20120916.html
Quote-Recently published research for the first time examines changes in ultraviolet (UV) radiation in Australia over a period of fifty years (1959-2009). The research found that there has been an overall annual increase in UV levels of 2% to 6% since the 1990s, for locations throughout Australia.

http://www.bom.gov.au/uv/faq.shtml
Quote- In the 1970s, scientists first raised concerns that the production and use of synthetic substances known as chloroflourocarbons (CFCs) might lead to a reduction of ozone in the stratosphere leading to an increase of UVB radiant energy. It was with the discovery of the Antarctic Ozone Hole, however, in the mid 1980s, that the issue of ozone depletion due to human activity rose to great prominence, leading to the signing of the Montreal Protocol.

http://www.who.int/globalchange/climate/summary/en/index7.html
Quote-During the 1980s and 1990s at northern mid-latitudes (such as Europe), the average year-round ozone concentration declined by around 4% per decade: over the southern regions of Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and South Africa, the figure approximated 6-7%. Estimating the resultant changes in actual ground-level ultraviolet radiation remains technically complex. However, exposures at northern mid-latitudes, for example, are likely to peak around 2020, with an estimated 10% increase in effective ultraviolet radiation relative to 1980s levels (1).

In the mid-1980s, governments recognised the emerging hazard from ozone depletion. The Montreal Protocol of 1987 was adopted, widely ratified, and the phasing out of major ozone-destroying gases began. The protocol was tightened in the 1990s. Scientists anticipate a slow but near-complete recovery of stratospheric ozone by the middle of the twenty-first century.

And the list go's on.

QuoteAnd this applies to my country as well as yours..

If your country is the USA,then we are vastly different.
Here we are free to collect rain water,and have that as our only source of water supply--no charge,no problem.
How do i know?--because that is my source of water.
Now,i know in some states of the USA(maybe all states),that you are not allowed to collect rain water,or have it as your only source of water.
Here in Australia,we have no sun tax,or solar panel tax,where there are states in the USA that tax anyone that has solar panels on the roof.
A reject named Colin Barnett(our states !EX! premier),tried to place a sun tax on those who had solar panels fitted to there roof.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/johnson-fury-over-solar-rebate-cut/news-story/2f619efa95f3c8380c0997c643dc5773
The people of WA banded together,and had that idiotic idea squashed,faster than Barnett came up with it.
But we(the people) were not finished with Barnett yet.
In the following state election,we removed him from power--it's that simple--the people have the power to make change.

QuotePerhaps you can explain to me how buying and trading carbon tax credits will end "Global Warming"?

As i said,this is not rocket science.
A carbon tax is put into place.
The price of electricity go's up.
More people say-to hell with this,and are now more motivated to put solar panels on there roof,to reduce/cut out there power bill.
It is now cheaper for me to pay off a 6Kw solar system,than it is to pay each months power bill.
Most average house holds need only a 3.5Kw system to break even-no power bill,but as we have a pool,spa,and a bore pump,the 6Kw was needed to offset the power bill by 100%--and in summer we will actually go into credit.
We also have a new solar hot water system,which is that efficient that even on cloudy days,delivers enough hot water for all 3 of us to have two hot showers a day.

So,what happens when less and less people draw power from the grid?-yes,thats right--less and less load on the power station's-and that results in less pollution.

This thinking works in all sorts of way's.
For example--a dozen eggs here got to the point where they cost $2.80 a dozen.
We like our egg's,and we would buy at least 2 dozen a week=$5.60
We now have our own chook's,and feed them food scrap's,and some pellets.
Pellets=$1.80 a week,food scraps=free.
Eggs collected=28-30 a week.
Cost of eggs to buy from shop=23.3 cents each
Cost to produce our own eggs=6.4 cents each.
Here in Australia,anyone can have chook's.
Here in Australia,anyone can collect and use rain water.
Here in Australia,anyone can have solar panels,and solar hot water systems.

QuoteIt is a HOAX based on false information

Global warming is not a hoax--it is a fact.

QuoteYou and I have no choice! Why do you continue to blame us?

You-I-(the people) have every choice,and i have given you many examples of that.
We are to blame,because we continue to support and use that which they provide us with.

You are under the false impression that the people have no say-no power,when i have given very clear examples that when push come's to shove,it !is! the people that have the power to set things straight.

The only reason that the !powers that be! are doing this,is because you(the people) are allowing them to do it.

Did you run around with a fly swatter,and swat those nasty flies,or did you grab the can of fly spray full of CFC's,and give em what for--the choice was yours.


Brad

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.07.30, 01:55:04
author=ronee link=topic=3500.msg63780#msg63780 date=1501342459]

The only reason that the !powers that be! are doing this,is because you(the people) are allowing them to do it.

Brad

Excellent post mate, i can't argue with anything there.

Ron

The People have very limited "Power" to change anything.

The Programs which are destroying our Planet are both
funded and managed by the Deep State.  The Deep State
is unelected.  The Deep State is presently above the law.

The Love of Money has no concern for people, for wildlife or
for the health of our Planet.

When it is reported that the Ozone Layer is somehow being
disrupted to permit increased UV bombardment of Earth's
surface, think HAARP.  The People have been blinded by
Intense Propaganda.  The People have been "conditioned"
to accept government propaganda as "Truth."

There are some few very brave and gallant souls who do
work to expose the criminal acts of the Deep State (http://redpilledworld.blogspot.com/2017/07/lawyer-suing-dnc-fears-for-her-life.html).  Sadly,
too many of them have lost their lives.  The Deep State
murders those who threaten it with impunity.  Who do they
fear to bring them to justice?

The Love of Money personified. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=155412)

Quote from: muDped on 2017.07.30, 19:38:10





[url=http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=155412]The Love of Money personified. (http://redpilledworld.blogspot.com/2017/07/lawyer-suing-dnc-fears-for-her-life.html)

muDped

QuoteWhen it is reported that the Ozone Layer is somehow being
disrupted to permit increased UV bombardment of Earth's
surface, think HAARP.  The People have been blinded by
Intense Propaganda.  The People have been "conditioned"
to accept government propaganda as "Truth."

Work started on HAARP in 1993,and the Ozone layer holes began to be seen in the 1970's
Quote: The Antarctic ozone hole is an annual phenomenon which has occurred in every (southern hemisphere) spring since the late 1970s. It is caused by the chemical action of chlorine and bromine released from man-made chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and halons.

QuoteThe People have very limited "Power" to change anything.

The people have/hold power over everything.
What the people dont have,is the ability to stand together, as a whole,at the same time.

QuoteThe Programs which are destroying our Planet are both
funded and managed by the Deep State.  The Deep State
is unelected.  The Deep State is presently above the law.

Hitler also thought he was !above! the law/all powerful,and untouchable.
Then along came a small country full of people that said no-not going to happen.

QuoteThe Love of Money has no concern for people, for wildlife or
for the health of our Planet.

And what good is money if there are no people,wildlife or planet?.
What will the !deep state! rule over then ?
Do you really think they will cut off the hand that feed's them?.

QuoteThere are some few very brave and gallant souls who do
work to expose the criminal acts of the Deep State[/url].  Sadly,
too many of them have lost their lives.  The Deep State
murders those who threaten it with impunity.  Who do they
fear to bring them to justice?

On this we agree-there are some really !bad! people in power in our world.
Take the Clinton's for example,and the Bush'es.
Against all odd's,the people said no to another Clinton leading the USA--only problem was,you had only another clown to put in power.

The biggest bunch of corrupt people,are those that lead our country's,and so,our military.

But here is the problem.
The !Evil! decide that they need to generate some money,and steel another countries resources--so up comes the false flag--such as the 9/11 bullshit,and what followed.

The invading army is made up of !people!,that are instructed by the !Evil! few,to go bomb the shit out of said country-because it has an !Evil! leader--oh,and weapons of mass destruction   C.C
And that is where the problem lies--the people that make up said army just cannot get together and say !no!-this is not right. Instead,they just follow blindly.
This is why the !Evil! hold power over the people--because the people allow them too..

One of the biggest problems in this world today,is the peoples willingness to listen to,and believe main stream media,which is nothing more than a branch of the !Evil! tree.

But there is change,and we! the Australian people!,are pushing back in many ways--and we are winning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPWjkRgzGvw

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/new-hopes-900m-new-acland-mine-expansion-plan-rejected-by-queensland-court-20170531-gwh3es

And Synergy's attempt to charge a sun tax to those with solar panels--
http://www.solarcitizens.org.au/plans_for_wa_sun_tax_condemned_by_solar_citizens

The outcome when the people banded together
http://reneweconomy.com.au/wa-premier-rules-out-solar-tax-as-fantasy-16357/

Quote:Yesterday's wholesale rejection of the idea by Barnett, however, has brought relief and praise from the Australian Solar Council, which has campaigned against the proposed solar tariff since it was first broached.

This is what happens when the people band together--even the biggest of them can be bought down.

As far as the thread title go's (Global warming is a hoax),it would seem that what is actually being put forth by some here,is not that  global warming is a hoax,but more so an argument of-who is to blame.


Brad

Hmmm.  This should be very interesting.  The Climate Bogeyman (http://tomatobubble.com/climate_bogeyman.html).

A work in progress.

Well, as expected this discussion deals with diverse
viewpoints and opinions.  Very good!

Obviously, it is very difficult for many to imagine that
they are being hoaxed.  But they truly are...

Quote from: muDped on 2017.07.31, 05:34:46
Hmmm.  This should be very interesting.  The Climate Bogeyman (http://tomatobubble.com/climate_bogeyman.html).

A work in progress.

Well, as expected this discussion deals with diverse
viewpoints and opinions.  Very good!

Obviously, it is very difficult for many to imagine that
they are being hoaxed.  But they truly are...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffjIyms1BX4

And

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2euBvdP28c

Great videos, simple and to the point O0

Regards

Mike 8)

I think this is new .

http://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/miranda-devine-perth-electrical-engineers-discovery-will-change-climate-change-debate/news-story/d1fe0f22a737e8d67e75a5014d0519c6

Quote from: Farmhand on 2017.07.31, 13:09:20
I think this is new .

http://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/miranda-devine-perth-electrical-engineers-discovery-will-change-climate-change-debate/news-story/d1fe0f22a737e8d67e75a5014d0519c6

Quote: the records over the past half million years show that not to be the case
???
Who recorded the temperatures a half million years ago ?.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/David_Evans_arg.htm

http://thebigsmoke.com.au/2015/10/13/sam-blacker-climate-change-debunked/

Brad

Quote from: Farmhand
I think this is new .

http://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/miranda-devine-perth-electrical-engineers-discovery-will-change-climate-change-debate/news-story/d1fe0f22a737e8d67e75a5014d0519c6

Aye, a voice of sanity with truthful words.

Their efforts will be ridiculed by the Propagandists
who are pushing the deception.  It is absolutely
stunning to see how the masses have been
sucked in by the PBS fake science.

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.07.31, 14:15:58
Quote: the records over the past half million years show that not to be the case
???
Who recorded the temperatures a half million years ago ?.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/David_Evans_arg.htm

http://thebigsmoke.com.au/2015/10/13/sam-blacker-climate-change-debunked/

Brad

There are methods of determining these things, clues are recorded in nature I believe.
.

The great thing about mainstream science community is that hundreds of years ago they learned about a great thing called math that allows millions of people to reach an unambiguous conclusion. I, and no doubt thousands of academic scientists, have analyzed the climate change data. There's a pattern seen in mainstream, which is that the more notable and active publishing a climatologist is the more likely they're to agree that humanity is a major contributor to climate change.

Another great thing about mainstream science is that if you think it's incorrect, then you can write a nice paper proving your claim. Math and data are amazing. Mainstream improves over time. Mathematical models improving in accuracy and predicting. If someone comes up with a better model, then by all means publish it.

Until then I will definitely believe mainstream is not only correct that climate change is very real, but that humanity is a major contributor to climate change. I've seen the data. I've seen so much footage around the world such as glaciers slowly vanishing over the decades. I know Huell Howser showed on his tv show, California's Gold, old and new footage of a glacier he visited. Climate change is only seen on a global scale over long periods of time on the order of decades. Analyzing the data over just one decade is not advisable due to significant natural fluctuations.

I hope everyone on Earth can take notice and appreciate what mainstream scientists have accomplished and given us over the past few hundred years, taking humanity out of the dark eras, and accept what they are saying in vast numbers about climate change. I hope everyone on Earth can try to help in whatever ways they can.

It's a no brainer-global warming is real,and we !the people! are a major player in this.

For some odd reason,there are those that think Co2 is all good  C.C-it dose nothing but help the trees grow.

While it is true that trees,plants and the like's need Co2,there is a limit--and that limit has been crossed.

We !the people! have continued to increase the volume of Co2,while at the same time have continued to reduce the Co2 to oxygen converters (the tree's and plant life here on earth)

Co2 volume is going up,and oxygen volume is going down.

So,if you think you are not a part of this problem,then you must be one of very few who dose not drive a motor vehicle,one of a very few who dose not use paper product's,one of a very few who is not connected to the grid for your electrical energy need's,one of a very few who dose not burn a wood fire to heat your home-the list go's on.

So,that counts most of you here out.

SO,if you think that global warming is a hoax,and the wrong people are being blamed,then you are dead wrong--facts are fact's,and there is simply no point in going into denial,and trying to shift the blame onto some one else.


Brad

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.08.05, 00:49:21

SO,if you think that global warming is a hoax,and the wrong people are being blamed,then you are dead wrong--facts are fact's,and there is simply no point in going into denial,and trying to shift the blame onto some one else.

Brad

But I have done and I will continue to do so!

Sooner or later most intelligent people come to realize that the "official story/stories" put out by the people who rule over us is/are false. Just one or two examples... 19 people with box cutters brought down three towers. Some of the "terrorists" where still alive afterwards, some of the planes continued on in service for years afterwards...one man with a bolt action gun in three shots killed a president... you get the story.  The London bombing, HIV, Zika, pandemics/epidemics... the fear and false info is layered on with a trowel. Why do you exempt global warming?

Ron

Quote from: ronee on 2017.08.05, 01:13:36
But I have done and I will continue to do so!



Ron

QuoteWhy do you exempt global warming

Very simple--i see the truth with my own eyes every day.

I see 1000's of cars driving around every day,and know that the actual number being driven world wide every day is over 1.1 billion--yes,1.1 billion,and this excludes truck's,buses,trains,heavy equipment-ETC
Far less Co2 emissions are produce in the process of making 1 gallon of gasoline,than are produced in burning 1 gallon of gasoline.
So,if you drive a motor vehicle,you are contributing to the rise of Co2

I also know(for a fact),that there are also millions of homes drawing power of the grid.
This means that you are also contributing to the rise in Co2

Like i said,i dont know what planet your living on,or if you just wonder around with your eyes wide shut--but your global warming hoax is busted--the proof is driving around on the roads,and when you see homes lit up like christmas.

QuoteSooner or later most intelligent people come to realize that the "official story/stories" put out by the people who rule over us is/are false.

Not in the case of global warming there not.

QuoteJust one or two examples... 19 people with box cutters brought down three towers.

Totally different,as there is proof that the claims being made,in regards to 9/11,are absolute bullshit.
Anyone who believe that these clowns that couldnt even fly a single engine cessna.
This also took place in the most heavily guarded air space in the world,and yet the planes flew of course for over an hour.
You also forgot the pentagon,who's walls had magical powers.
With the two towers,we could clearly see the !apparent! wing strikes,but with the pentagon-not even one small mark from a wing strike--the list of bullshit go's on with this one.

QuoteSome of the "terrorists" where still alive afterwards, some of the planes continued on in service for years afterwards...

And those that believe the given story would call you a nutter--even though there is undeniable proof that what you say is correct.

Quoteone man with a bolt action gun in three shots killed a president... you get the story.  The London bombing, HIV, Zika, pandemics/epidemics... the fear and false info is layered on with a trowel. ?

I have no argument against any of that,and there is so much more.
The same people told us that they sent man to the moon--but they cant even cure  the common bloody cold.

Then there is all this new sh*t that just keeps !popping! into existence from no where--like as you said,AIDS for 1!
The best one yet,and now worth over 800,000,000 a year,is this ADD(attention deficit disorder)bullshit.
Now your kids aren't naughty--they have a mental illness that requires drug's--speed in this case.
The only drugs my kids required when they were naughty,was a good whack on the backside,and whala-turned back into a good kid in under 30 seconds  O0.

I know there is so many crimes being committed by our government's,and those that have a law unto them self.But global warming is not one of them,because we are our own proof that it is man in general that is causing the rise in Co2 emissions.

What is  exhaust gas ?

Quote:

In general, an exhaust gas is a gas emitted through a combustion process. The exhaust gas is actually a combination of many different gases: N2, CO2, H2O and O2. Though some are harmless, there are few that are harmful and are considered major pollutants.
One of the most dangerous of these is CO, carbon monoxide. This gas has the potential to kill people and animals if concentrations are high enough.
Hydrocarbons, CxHy (shown simply as "HC") come from unburned fuel.
Nitrogen oxides, NOx, are released through the internal combustion process and have been linked to acid rain and ozone.

Ready for some numbers?

Burning one gallon of gas creates 20 pounds of carbon dioxide, and the average car emits about six tons of carbon dioxide every year-yes,6 ton's a year.
1.1 billion cars on the road X 6 tons per car =6.6 billion tons of Co2/Co alone--and there is more-->//N2/NOx/and HC-the ozone killer.

So how in this world can you say that global warming is a hoax,when you know the numbers i have just provided are true--you can see them with your own eyes.


Brad

@all

Global Warming was changed to Climate Change because the word Global and Globalist became a source or natural antagonism.

The whole CC system is based on one ultimate goal called Carbon Tax. The ultimate Globalists' money grab that Trump so wisely pulled the plug on. Imagine pairing the honorable word "Carbon" with the decrepitness of the word "TAX". It is the ultimate insult to anything known to harbor intelligence. Next, expect the furt meter.

What they are trying to convince us all is saying "Burn more wood to pay for this nice Carbon Tax and you will produce less smoke". This is the simplest base of all these scientists who are hired at fat salaries to agree with their non-elected bosses who look to preside over countries as their Energy Lords peddling Carbon illusions for real money.

They have managed to spin the Earths normal temperature fluctuations into a big fat paycheck of lies. So here are some real truths.

1) It is now known that 120 Corporations own 80% of the Worlds wealth. Believe it or not.

2) All the Worlds Central Banks including the Federal Reserve are controlled by one Rothschild family who's current wealth is estimated at 500 trillion dollars. Publicly known "Richest men in the World" like Soros and Gates are just peafurts put in to distract the public while the real Richies live behind the scenes like they like it.

3) If pollution can be equated to MONEY, then these people are the worst polluters on the planet.

4) If owing money to fictitious Central Banks who invent loaned money by ledger entries and then force people to pay that money plus interest on top of that but now in real dollars from sweat and the burning of more energy, then debt becomes the worst CC culprit.

5) In African tribes, over their many many 1000s of years used one basic economic premise which is after X years, the richest tribal member will dissolve his wealth by spreading it back to the rest of the tribe.

6) If we take that same lead as in #5, if we took Rothschilds' 500 trillion dollars, we could reset all national debts back to zero, we could render all home mortgages paid in full, we could render all student loans forgiven, we could pay for health for everyone on the planet for 100 of years AND BY DOING SO WE COULD SAVE ALL THE ENERGY REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THIS UNFAIR SYSTEM AS IT IS TODAY.

7) The above is the only real solution IF CLIMATE CHANGE WAS REAL.

8) But instead we see our scientists standing up and they are telling you to burn more wood to save the planet and because this advise is coming from supposed learned men,  most will chew it up as reality and this is what the Money Scheme is counting on in order for it to work.

9) The only way to burn less energy is to remove the NEED to burn more energy. So this present economical system is designed for exactly the opposite. The fractional banking system of the Federal Reserve requires that expenditures increase (burn more and more wood) in time in order to keep their Ponzy Scheme alive.

wattsup

Guys, I thought this was a science forum. Fear and conspiracy theories is not science. I'm guessing that what the majority of people on Earth believe is based on emotions and peer pressure. So every person who breaks free from that will help humanity awaken.

Quote from: Theoretical Research on 2017.08.05, 14:30:11
Guys, I thought this was a science forum. Fear and conspiracy theories is not science. I'm guessing that what the majority of people on Earth believe is based on emotions and peer pressure. So every person who breaks free from that will help humanity awaken.

There is no conspiracy. Is the Climate Change movement real? So not a conspiracy. Are they asking for a Carbon Tax? So real again. If energy consumption is related to pollution which is related to economic needs which is related to human survival, so no conspiracy there either. It is just how one decides to implement their biased logic to afford some great riches while it downgrades the rest of us. The basic premise of any World problem can only really be fixed in one understands AND ACCEPTS the REAL root causes and proposes solutions at that level where the benefits of a cleaner World would be a normal trickle down event for all equally versus this forced up our ass Carbon Tax. Again no conspiracy there either.

As for 911, again did the towers fall? Yes. Did top scientists and top level pilots say the chance of one neophyte man piloting a plane to hit one tower is impossible making the other man hitting the other tower TOTALLY impossible is not a conspiracy. Just fact. Top pilots could not do it even under controlled conditions, so how could they even fathom doing it under the total stress of knowing their own lives are coming to an end. This was not two Japanese Kamikaze pilot flying their small planes into battleship against an armada of cannons. This was two jerks flying huge airliners that cannot turn on a dime and for which one half a degree out of precision would have made them miss their marks by huge spreads make this whole thing obviously a scam story of the century.

The conspiracy theories come from the OFFICIAL VERSIONS presented to the public in these and so many of other parts of our lives that one has true reason to wonder if this World is an Alice in Wonderland fanfare driven by totally inept money hungry liars who have obviously grown up believing that "No lie is bad if it pays the bills".

And yes this is a science forum with some pretty smart people and there is nothing wrong with using some of that smarts outside the scope of OU research. Plus it's a good distraction from the often grueling and most often unrecognized works done here.

wattsup

Climate change is backed by decades of math and data. To say it's fake or a scam is a conspiracy. You're more than welcome to analyze peer reviewed papers if you truly believe climate change is a hoax, a scam, or a conspiracy. As stated, if you believe to have stumbled upon scientific proof that states otherwise, then by all means publish a scientific paper showing the math and data.

Please state the peer reviewed reference of the academic scientist(s) who said it is impossible for a neophyte pilot to hit the twin towers. I can't imagine any academic scientists making such an absurd statement, much less a notable academic scientist.

Mainstream science presents the math, data, and peer reviewed papers so that you don't have to wonder if they're lying to you. You can verify it for yourself.

Quote from: Theoretical Research
Guys, I thought this was a science forum.

Fear and conspiracy theories is not science.

What really is "Science?"  Science American Style has been
corrupted by the Love of Money.  Unfortunately, those who
speak loudest to defend Science are themselves fraudulent
and corrupt.

Sadly, this phenomenon of Science as Paid for Propaganda has
infected most of the Western World.

The days of Honest Science, if they truly ever existed, are long
gone.  Welcome to the Age of the Lie where Deception Reigns
Supreme.  The Love of Money is very powerful.

We may wish and hope that things were different.

One of the key tasks of Science is to expose what is
untrue.  The "Conspiracy Theory" moniker was created
by those in Power to dissuade such efforts.

If any have lost their zest for Truth it may be that they've
succumbed to the pressures of the corrupted.

The intensity of the War on Truth is reaching historic
proportions.

Quote from: the article
In order to begin to understand the scale of the problems facing us, all persons of good intent must revisit and critically re-examine the officially endorsed narratives supporting the events of 9/11, Auschwitz "human gas chambers" and other consciousness-directing assumed realities that are used to define our modern political universe.

The fact that the 'truth' regarding these events is not open for debate should, in itself, serve as a red flag for anybody with an eye for historical precedent. It was Hitler who said that it was very hard for a politician to get away with telling a small lie because everybody tells such lies but, "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."

If what we have been told about 9/11, about "human gas chambers", about London 7/7 and other such 'events' is false then the assumptions from which our thinking proceeds will inevitably lead us to FALSE conclusions.

If this is truly the case (and it is) then the situation is surely desperate, however comfortable we feel about reality or, conversely, whatever we think of Donald Trump or any 'ism' out there that we look to for salvation.

There can be no salvation for humanity without TRUTH.

TRUTH is primary. Only the truth can begin to set us free.

Our future is at stake. The imposition of taboos and the silencing of fair and open debate on any important issue cannot and must not be tolerated.

Mainstream science offers the math and data so you can verify the claim yourself. I have no more interest in this discussion because it's not a scientific discussion. It seems obvious to me that academics have nothing to fear, as each younger generation is becoming more scientific. :) The days of irrational emotions void of critical thinking skills are slowly ending, thankfully.

Mainstream science has been corrupted along with all the rest of the economies. Once you accept the transfer and possession of federal notes the government can then dictate the rules. Which it does. And then those rules are laws from which one cannot escape. You want federal notes? You play by those rules. Getting away from dollars or financially redeemable metals is quite the task. When you attempt this the government has a program for those. We are indoctrinated in social boot camps, which attendance it mandatory or just plain too easy. The getting out is hard. Because the feds own the ground you walk on also. One never gets to leave the camp.
And for those who might think this wacko? Congratulations, you believe what freedoms they dictate to you in your finances and thinking, your wallet and your mind.

I thought this was an engineering site dedicated to free energy, no? Ah, but all the extraneous content only serves as better camouflage. By the incorporation of the massive amount of non relevant content, the real players get to hide amongst the rest. Thank you. Keep up the good work here oh brave and noble souls. Adventure on to the success of your bliss. Fulfil the void with your grandest desires and lo and behold, they are met which ecstatic, exhuberant complicity. For it is far better to extoll one's internal strife than to commit the overwhelming task of solving the problem. Phalangical mentalations.Thy peers are sure to well note the pride and progress one makes in the public acceptance ring. Lets all hold hands and sing Kumbaya for it is truly a great and better day without the future to solve.
I am writing another book titled 'When minds collide'. It is a story about the idiots against the knowledgeable while the wise merely look on. Should be a short book. Why would anyone read a book about everyday life when everyday is spent the same way. Probably sell millions...

I'm not sure what kind of web site this is, but maybe I misunderstood what was told to me while being invited here. I thought it was a group of people who prefer math.

Anyways, engineering is part of applied science. It relies upon mathematics, the unambiguous language that allows everyone to come to an agreement without endless arguments. This discussion is void of math. I've asked for peer reviewed references along with math and data that proves there is no climate change. So far nothing.

Academic science is awesome! :)

Quote from: Theoretical Research on 2017.08.05, 21:45:58




Academic science is awesome! :)

QuoteI'm not sure what kind of web site this is, but maybe I misunderstood what was told to me while being invited here. I thought it was a group of people who prefer math.

Im not sure what you were told either,but known math plays only a small role here.

QuoteAnyways, engineering is part of applied science.

No.
Science is a part of applied engineering.
Engineering came first,and  science was derived from that engineering.

QuoteIt relies upon mathematics, the unambiguous language that allows everyone to come to an agreement without endless arguments.

Once again,the mathematics will come after the engineering.

QuoteThis discussion is void of math.

This discussion needs no math,but only common sense.
This discussion needs only observation for verification,but some choose to wear blinders.

QuoteI've asked for peer reviewed references along with math and data that proves there is no climate change. So far nothing.

There is climate change,and you do not need any !peer review! references to see it.

40 years ago,as a child,i could spend all day out in the summer sun,and not get burnt to a cinder.
Today you need a shirt,hat,and SPF 20+ sunscreen to survive just 1 hour in the sun without being burnt to a crisp.
No rocket science needed to see a drastic change there.

40 years ago,there was 1/6th the amount of motor vehicles on the road around the world than there is today.
No rocket science needed to tell you that the Co2 emissions have risen with the rise in the number of motor vehicles being used daily around the world.

Who chooses to drive these motor vehicle's?-well it aint only the Rothschild's.
Who chooses to draw power from the grid,so as they can enjoy the luxuries of life-like the television,and computers?.
Who chooses to burn a wood fuel'd fire to keep warm ?

Some here say that those- the likes of the Rothschild's,hold a gun to our head.
That may be true,but it is us(mere man) that is supplying the bullets for that gun--and a gun aint dangerous without bullets.  O0


Brad

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.08.06, 00:33:09
No.
Science is a part of applied engineering.
Engineering came first,and  science was derived from that engineering.

From what I've been told and according to wikipedia applied sciences encompasses engineering. You can see in the table to the right of wikipedia page that science is at top, which encompasses applied science, which encompasses engineering, which encompasses electrical engineering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_science

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.08.06, 00:33:09
This discussion needs no math,but only common sense.
This discussion needs only observation for verification,but some choose to wear blinders.

There is climate change,and you do not need any !peer review! references to see it.

You can argue with people endlessly, each side being certain they're the one who has common sense. :/ Stick with math :)

Its terrible easy to follow either of the official lines (alas) but in order for a lie to take precedence a few things have to be in place first there has to be an element of truth however small, and secondly it has to be repeated over and over again

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler
Of course there are changes , serious changes , but what of our neighbors ?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html)
If you really think that the petrol you put into your jam car is effecting the ice caps on Mars some 35 (ish) million miles away you'll excuse me for being doubtful.
Even having noted the false graphical representation and the effects on other planets in our system there is still that old stand by ' Its to risky (or irresponsible)to do anything else other than tow the global warming line. WRONG !! the enslavement of your decedents may well be on the line. If they survive the cull.
Still I believe like so many others there are serious changes. It is obvious and unpleasant as Brad indicates
Well perhaps that might be true however it is also yet another huge tax on the 'great unwashed' another huge tax over which they have little control, a tax which as Alex Jones suggests in this documentary from 2H00 on it could well be being used for very nefarious purposes. If just a fraction of this over egged presentation is correct - be worried.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L0_jsf4E1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L0_jsf4E1o)
Along with the majority on this forum I am aware of COP>1 devices that are very effective and yet they and the researchers are suppressed. In short the alternative to fossil fuels has been there for a long long time --- if anyone in control really cared. They don't do they? they have another agenda So --

Pack your shit folks -- were going away

George Carling
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4)

Quote from: Duncan on 2017.08.06, 06:06:24
Its terrible easy to follow either of the official lines (alas) but in order for a lie to take precedence a few things have to be in place first there has to be an element of truth however small, and secondly it has to be repeated over and over again

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler
Of course there are changes , serious changes , but what of our neighbors ?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html)
If you really think that the petrol you put into your jam car is effecting the ice caps on Mars some 35 (ish) million miles away you'll excuse me for being doubtful.
Even having noted the false graphical representation and the effects on other planets in our system there is still that old stand by ' Its to risky (or irresponsible)to do anything else other than tow the global warming line. WRONG !! the enslavement of your decedents may well be on the line. If they survive the cull.
Still I believe like so many others there are serious changes. It is obvious and unpleasant as Brad indicates
Well perhaps that might be true however it is also yet another huge tax on the 'great unwashed' another huge tax over which they have little control, a tax which as Alex Jones suggests in this documentary from 2H00 on it could well be being used for very nefarious purposes. If just a fraction of this over egged presentation is correct - be worried.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L0_jsf4E1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L0_jsf4E1o)
Along with the majority on this forum I am aware of COP>1 devices that are very effective and yet they and the researchers are suppressed. In short the alternative to fossil fuels has been there for a long long time --- if anyone in control really cared. They don't do they? they have another agenda So --

Pack your shit folks -- were going away

George Carling
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4)

George is/was funny-but he was also an idiot if he thinks man is not having an impact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_2NuK5O-E

Of course man is having an impact - Its not denied either by George C (or me for that matter) smog,plastic ahhh the list is endless. would it be far better if we all adjusted ? well of course, its not in doubt. (not by me anyway) Is it a major cause of global warming /climate change or whatever axioms in favor? thats the big question. Especially if the plan is to impose more taxes on a public who have no defense and funnel those taxes for dubious purpose, as suggested by Alex Jones   
 
This dramatic black or white confrontation is also responsible for the lack of serious scientific debate. Its no longer a science if it ever was. Its now a religion, irrefutable, A'la heretics will be burned at the stake!
As for the comic status of George Carling (good or bad)  he made a comfortable living and was in demand. He certainly manages to make me chuckle here and there.  I'm a little more cautious regarding referring to people as 'idiots' just because I may disagree with them especially when they can no longer defend themselves. (I've spent a lot of time with egg on my face over the years.) would you call Ivar an idiot for giving this lecture (for instance) or does the fact that he's a Nobel Laureate offer him some credence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0)
ergo I beg to point out that someone may disagree with your view (or mine) whilst not automatically being a fully fledged 'idiot' -- Stupid but savable perhaps as a half way house  ;D?
kind regards Duncan
   

Well then,i have a video that clearly represents my feelings--and so i ask__>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsCR05oKROA


Brad

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

@ Thank to Johan for the reminder

and one more reminder ....

in this house.... Global warming is just another inspiration for what we do here ..

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.08.06, 09:34:27
George is/was funny-but he was also an idiot if he thinks man is not having an impact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_2NuK5O-E

Brad, the purpose of this thread was to examine the "Global Warming Hoax" but you consistently derail the thread with your, emotional, "man is polluting the earth" crap. No one is disputing this. Seriously, if you want to flog this dead horse start your own thread.

The "official" climate change is based on manipulated data and the buying and selling of carbon tax credits, that is the HOAX.

George Carlin was one of the few to point the finger tat our rulers and what they have presented to us as "the illusion of choice"

The Global Warming/Climate Change scam is just another one of their feel good ideas, all illusion, no meat

Ron

Best Carlin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_wjQtfhZQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_wjQtfhZQ)

Quote from: ronee on 2017.08.06, 15:20:39
Brad, the purpose of this thread was to examine the "Global Warming Hoax" but you consistently derail the thread with your, emotional, "man is polluting the earth" crap. No one is disputing this. Seriously, if you want to flog this dead horse start your own thread.

The "official" climate change is based on manipulated data and the buying and selling of carbon tax credits, that is the HOAX.

George Carlin was one of the few to point the finger tat our rulers and what they have presented to us as "the illusion of choice"

The Global Warming/Climate Change scam is just another one of their feel good ideas, all illusion, no meat

Ron

Best Carlin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_wjQtfhZQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_wjQtfhZQ)

I have stayed on point with the title of this thread,but for some unknown reason,things just do not click for some.

As i have clearly stated on many occasions,i have been alive long enough to see the impact man has had on the temperatures around the world.

I have provided examples that cannot be refuted,but you keep on trying to peddle the same rubbish.

Take for example the information i posted about motor vehicles alone.
6.6 billion tons of Co2 alone produced each year by-you guessed it-->MAN-->us. Not the bloody government--not the bloody rothschild's-->us,the people.
Is there a carbon tax on motor vehicle's?--well there aint one in this country-never has been.
In fact,our carbon tax that was placed on heavy industry was repealed on 17 July 2014.
No carbon tax here--no hoax period.

Just how far is your country behind?.


Brad

This seems to be a venting thread. smh

Quote from: Theoretical Research on 2017.08.06, 15:33:21
This seems to be a venting thread. smh

As per the first post made

Quote: By the way, all opinions are welcomed in this discussion
no matter how "extreme" some may consider them. 8)

Conspiracy Theories are Welcome as most have proven to be
Conspiracy Fact. :o

Sea Stories and Grunt Odes are welcomed too.

@all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9-DV4X-WRk

wattsup

Quote from: TinMan on 2017.08.06, 15:32:27

Just how far is your country behind?.

Brad

BC has turned it into a 5 billion dollar slush fund

QuoteWith few exceptions, British Columbia's tax is the steepest and broadest in existence. While that sets British Columbia apart as a leader on the cutting edge, it is also part of its problem. For the policy to work best, it needs the rest of the world to catch up.

QuoteOK. Greenhouse gas emissions went up. But surely there's better news on economic growth?

"B.C.'s economy did not collapse due to the carbon tax, but nor did it grow faster than its neighbours," Lee writes.

In fact, Alberta's gross domestic product grew 22 per cent from 2010 to 2014. Saskatchewan's GDP grew 15 per cent, B.C. lagged with 11-per-cent growth. The gap is similar if you compare growth since 2007, before the carbon tax.

Nor is the carbon tax fair. It's a regressive tax that benefits big business and the wealthy at the expense of lower- and middle-income earners. 

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2016/03/08/BC-Carbon-Tax-Failure/ (https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2016/03/08/BC-Carbon-Tax-Failure/)

Ron

Quote from: wattsup on 2017.08.06, 16:20:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9-DV4X-WRk

Looks like that's Dr. Don Easterbrook. He predicts global warming, but not as much as the IPCC. His methods fall outside of mainstream, but that was a long time ago, about 11 years ago. I have no idea what he's doing nowadays because the years 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 all placed within the top twelve hottest years on record, with 2010 being the hottest year ever recorded.

A good example of weather manipulation is the current heat wave in Europe. Monsanto's terminator seeds, that were causing the high suicide rate in India farmers, was too slow. Why not just crank up the temp and kill all the crops at once?

Besides, the Europeans were becoming critical of the Russian sanctions... what better way to make them toe the line than to turn up the heat?

(https://s2.postimg.org/vkbowsemx/01082017_temps_max_FRA.png-nggid042578-ngg0dyn-9.png)

Note; picture not up to date

Ron

James McCanney's Science Hour of 03 August 2017 (http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/JamesMcCanneyScienceHour_August_03_2017.mp3).

James gets into how Hurricanes really work, what Tesla actually
discovered and some current events.

It's an MP3 file (save link target as) which can be downloaded
and played on your player of choice.

He has archived shows (http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/WeeklyRadioShowArchivesSubPage.HTM) which may be downloaded as well.

Finding Truth in Science is certainly not in the MainStream anything.