I find it kind of strange how silent all the FE forums have become in the last year. It would seem all the real inventors who were showing real experiments and debating real issues have all but disappeared.
As well some have said people who sometimes post off topic take away from the conversation. However I would ask... what conversation?. There have only been at best a couple posts each day here this week and few if any had anything to do with FE specifically. It would seem to be not much better over at OU.com and beyond the typical small talk nothing of consequence has happened. How can debating an issue take away from the conversation when there is quite literally no more real conversations taking place?.
I have to wonder what happened when the forums were a very different place three or four years ago.
Regards
I agree with your observation, but do not know what happened. I can think of two possibilities:
1 - Perhaps people got tired of posting - nothing seems to pan out year after year...
2 - Or maybe a few key people found POSITIVE results, and decided not to SHARE anymore.
I find most here are project oriented and don't post this sort of thing. It's the sort of thing that distracts and creates noise. Be the thing you seek.
I personally have found it much easier to communicate by email with those interested in working on the same thing I am working on. It just eliminates a lot of hassle from those that are continually only interested in being a naysayer. When or if I ever have any success I will be very glad to share what i have learned. And the others I work with via email also plan to share anything of value they learn. But not posting on the forums and having to waste time defending my research has turned out to be a much better way of collaborating with those working in the same area of research.
Carroll
Quote from: CITFTA on 2019.12.02, 09:53:52
I personally have found it much easier to communicate by email with those interested in working on the same thing I am working on. It just eliminates a lot of hassle from those that are continually only interested in being a naysayer. When or if I ever have any success I will be very glad to share what i have learned. And the others I work with via email also plan to share anything of value they learn. But not posting on the forums and having to waste time defending my research has turned out to be a much better way of collaborating with those working in the same area of research.
Carroll
O0
Regards
Mike 8)
PhysicsProf
QuoteI agree with your observation, but do not know what happened. I can think of two possibilities:
1 - Perhaps people got tired of posting - nothing seems to pan out year after year...
2 - Or maybe a few key people found POSITIVE results, and decided not to SHARE anymore.
1) T.H.Moray said he worked on his device for 30 years before he considered it to be producing the desired results he wanted. So I can see how many may lose hope that they can make this work however nothing worth doing is ever easy.
2) I suspect many have done the research and the hard work and then decided not to share for their own reasons. I used to judge them as many others have however it's easy to judge others when we personally have little to lose. Where I believe the free energy community has failed is in providing a positive atmosphere for success. If we really wanted to succeed then I would do the following....
a) Set up secure fund raising so people who want to help can reward and protect real inventors with demonstrable technology.
b) To create a plan for success spelling out what is required of the inventors, what they will receive and the process involved in it's entirety.
c) To bring in real professionals with years of experience to fast track testing in a controlled and secure atmosphere.
I believe this is how the Safire Project was set up and it would seem to have worked out pretty well.
Regards
The subject matter tends to by cyclical on the various forums.
There are periods of great enthusiasm and voluminous participation
from time to time but they always fade away in an amount of time.
Some become frustrated that the hoped for "COP" doesn't easily
materialize or that the costs of purchasing materials to support
the tinkering becomes excessive.
Then, of course, there is always the possibility of a thread "going
postal" as hostilities are expressed and accusations are made.
When the search for Free Energy or Over-Unity becomes an
obsession then weird things seem to develop. Aggressive behaviors
often arise and any who "question" or "disagree" are accused of
being Trolls or Shills. Emotions can easily run out of control.
Those are the warning signs that all is not well. (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20486-splitting-positive-29.html#post321516)
Conspiracies do exist. Far more frequently than most would believe
possible. Those who are masters of the Real Free Energy of
finance, power and control have a vested interest in suppressing
Truth. In our present World any other form of Free Energy will
not be permitted to take root.
MuDped
QuoteThe subject matter tends to by cyclical on the various forums.
There are periods of great enthusiasm and voluminous participation
from time to time but they always fade away in an amount of time.
Some become frustrated that the hoped for "COP" doesn't easily
materialize or that the costs of purchasing materials to support
the tinkering becomes excessive.
I have read about countless people in the past who went all in and lost there house, there marriage and ended up destitute. I learned from them and chose not to repeat the same mistakes. I took it slow and methodical again trying not to repeat others mistakes thinking this was going to happen overnight. I think of it as a hobby, a journey and I can walk away any time I choose. It is the freedom of having a choice which opens one's mind and new opportunities in my opinion.
QuoteConspiracies do exist. Far more frequently than most would believe
possible. Those who are masters of the Real Free Energy of
finance, power and control have a vested interest in suppressing
Truth.
Conspiracies do exist but some do finally see the light. Just recently the Navy disclosed video and literature concerning the fact that UFO's are real. Now other governments and there agencies are disclosing more evidence that UFO's are real and they have been studying the phenomena for decades.
I have know this for decades, I saw a UFO and know many people who have saw them as well. One person who I have known for 30 years said he had a craft 200 feet across hovering a few hundred feet above his and a friends head out in a pasture. Yet many people cannot believe because they simply cannot wrap there mind around the concept that we are not superior nor are we all that intelligent compared to them. They can do anything they want and we are more or less powerless to stop them which invokes a great deal of fear.
However I am not afraid and I know many people more intelligent than myself and much more powerful...so what's the big deal?. In my opinion the real fear is about the fact that they may have been around for tens or hundreds of thousands of years and know all about our history... our real history. Myself, I'm looking for the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Regards
On UFO's and conspiracies...
I was thinking about the Navy UFO video, my first hand observation of a UFO and how a craft can accelerate from zero to upwards of 30,000 mph in under a second. I saw it first hand, it is an irrefutable fact however my mind still has an issue with it. It begs the question relating to psychology and metacognition, why does my mind want to dismiss certain facts it knows and observed as a fact?. Is it reasonable that a person should deny something they could observe as a fact because of a belief?.
In my opinion the problem is not the facts of this matter but more so the belief that the UFO phenomena is abnormal, un-natural and beyond our comprehension or belief. I find this strange, that our minds could be playing tricks on us and trying to deny things we know to be true as a fact. The same could be said of Free Energy and it seems obvious to me Energy is everywhere in everything. We should know it as an irrefutable fact and yet a majority of people cannot believe what they were taught in school and can observe as a fact. There is no thing anywhere which is not in perpetual motion and motion is energy thus free energy is the norm not an exception to any rule.
Maybe were all a little crazy more or less...
Regards
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2019.12.02, 04:34:57
I agree with your observation, but do not know what happened. I can think of two possibilities:
1 - Perhaps people got tired of posting - nothing seems to pan out year after year...
2 - Or maybe a few key people found POSITIVE results, and decided not to SHARE anymore.
I could see 1 being the case for some, but...
For good reason on 2 in the age of mass surveillance...
Quote from: PhysicsProf
Or maybe a few key people found POSITIVE results, and decided not to SHARE anymore.
Anomalous Excess Energy events certainly are real and the electrical energy which
manifests does actual work as reported by witnesses. Many experimenters also
report sporadic manifestations of excess electrical energy which occur suddenly and
unexpectedly.
The manifestations seem to be unpredictable and very difficult for others to replicate.
They seem to come and go without rhyme or reason and exist only briefly.
Are the manifestations of Pomerleau, Mark, Kapanadze and others the same kind of
energy? What can possibly be the explanation for their occurrences which have
been witnessed by numerous observers?
It is mysterious and must have an explanation. It does of course.
Many, many experimenters simply lose interest and move on to other pursuits.
QuoteAre the manifestations of Pomerania, Mark, Kapanadze and others the same kind of
energy? What can possibly be the explanation for their occurrences which have
been witnessed by numerous observers?
It is mysterious and must have an explanation. It does of course.
In fact it is more strange than most can imagine. Some people have hyper-electrosensitivity and break out in a rash or feel sick around electronics and some even pass out if a cell phone is turned on in the next room. There is also the alter ego where some people develop a HV surface charge for reasons yet to be explained. One person could literally destroy most electronics simply by touching them and had to avoid all electrical devices. These electrosensitive people have even started there own community where all electrical devices of any kind have been banned for their own protection. Apparently they don't need security because they could "feel" you coming a mile away, lol.
Now take a person such as Pomerania, he could fall into both categories and be able to generate a continuous surface charge on his body. Enough to start a circuit he invented with the correct circuitry and geometry if he was also electrosensitive. Nikola Tesla also claimed to be sensitive to electrical fields which would definitely help if one was an electrical engineer. Why would we need a silly meter if we could sense or feel electric fields in 3D?.
Simply put, trying to compare an electrosensitive person to an average person would be like trying to compare an owl with extraordinary vision day and night to a blind man with no cane.
Regards
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2019.12.09, 04:02:10
In fact it is more strange than most can imagine. Some people have hyper-electrosensitivity and break out in a rash or feel sick around electronics and some even pass out if a cell phone is turned on in the next room. There is also the alter ego where some people develop a HV surface charge for reasons yet to be explained. One person could literally destroy most electronics simply by touching them and had to avoid all electrical devices. These electrosensitive people have even started there own community where all electrical devices of any kind have been banned for their own protection. Apparently they don't need security because they could "feel" you coming a mile away, lol.
Now take a person such as Pomerania, he could fall into both categories and be able to generate a continuous surface charge on his body. Enough to start a circuit he invented with the correct circuitry and geometry if he was also electrosensitive. Nikola Tesla also claimed to be sensitive to electrical fields which would definitely help if one was an electrical engineer. Why would we need a silly meter if we could sense or feel electric fields in 3D?.
Simply put, trying to compare an electrosensitive person to an average person would be like trying to compare an owl with extraordinary vision day and night to a blind man with no cane.
Regards
I used to put my cell phone on speaker and tuck it under my shirt on my shoulder to talk while busy doing other things. I had problems with my shoulders for about a year, not making the connection during that time. Got to he point of not being able to do many things because of the pain. Left shoulder mostly as I usually put it there, and only sometimes on the right. Once I put 2 and 2 together, I stopped doing that with my phone. Took a couple months to feel better and still felt it for some time after. Now I have no pain and can scratch my back again.
There is a book that comes with cell phones that many dont read. It doesnt have anything to do with operating the phone other than the cautions of use close to the body. Most dont read that book.
I can only imagine what it does to other parts of the body like the brain when talking in normal fashion, let alone my shoulders. I now use in speaker mode on a table or desk now.
I see people with them strapped to their arms. :-[ But when I talk to them about my issue, they pretty much ignore. Maybe by telling them my story, later on if they have an issue, they might reflect on what i said.
Mags
Magluvin
QuoteI see people with them strapped to their arms. :-[ But when I talk to them about my issue, they pretty much ignore. Maybe by telling them my story, later on if they have an issue, they might reflect on what i said.
The science is generally straight forward however the psychology of many people is not so cut and dry.
Simply put, there is one group of people who believe mainstream science is generally true for obvious reasons. However there is another smaller group of more vocal people who tend to follow beliefs and opinions and claim to be "victims" if there beliefs are ever questioned.
So we know cell phones can cause harm and the science is clear because even the cell phone producers and there experts agree they can cause harm hence the disclaimers in the sales agreements. However it is only the second group which is in denial mainly because they have bought into a "corporate cult" based on greed and profit. They seem to be deathly afraid that someone might question there mantra that "greed is good". However no, it's still a sin for obvious reasons despite the false rhetoric.
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http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g00.htm
Very skeptical at first, but I started to wonder after reading more and more.
Very interesting link (http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g00.htm) Grumpy.
Have you been involved with government at any level?
Have you observed things in government which have made
you wonder?
Our present era is quite remarkable (not necessarily in a good way)
for a variety of reasons. People are beginning to sense that something
big is coming rather soon.
I would agree something big is coming and must change, unrestrained growth with finite energy and resources cannot end well.
Unlimited growth driven by greed is simply unworkable by any measure and would seem to defy all logic and reason. The stats today are below, around 77 million new people to feed, house, clothe, educate and employ this year. To put that into perspective... that's roughly twice the population of Canada born this year alone.
Regards
Quote from: AC
Unlimited growth driven by greed is simply unworkable by any measure
and would seem to defy all logic and reason.
Very true.
The Corporation Model which has been imposed upon the World by the
West has no interest in Human Welfare or Societal Conditions. The
Corporation exists to create maximum profit without obligation to be
concerned about whatever harm to The People it may cause. Our World
is presently grossly mis-managed to purposely create the chaos we
suffer with no end in sight.
no end in sight ? looks rather opposite to me. The graphs going somewhere PDQ
(http://dnp.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/a/world-population-by-world-regions-post-1820%282%29.jpg)
might even be a capacitor charge curve .... what can I say just as you note, its being progressed. I'm pretty sure we all recognise that curve it's natural, perhaps it just has to be ? although I guess technically there is no end - Amen
BTY - I contest this vista with every fiber
The end of this present Chaos isn't yet in sight; but in a short while it will.
The transitional process from this present age into the coming age is now
rather slow. It will speed up in the near future, then becoming "in sight."
"Overpopulation" is really not the problem. Greed is the problem.
Greed of the super-wealthy "Elites" who have put themselves above the law.
I'm afraid your right . also I suspect overpopulation would naturally resolve one way or another.
I would agree with Duncan and nature or Darwinism tends to solve it's own problems.
Don't believe in climate change?, it will still wipe out our grandchildren and maybe 50% of the population despite our beliefs. Don't believe in pollution?, tell it to the cancer or lung disease were going to get. Don't believe in overpopulation?, when a loaf of bread hits $100 and antibiotic resistant diseases bring back the plagues we won't need to believe because we will probably be dead. Don't believe it can effect us because were wealthy?, nature doesn't care what we believe.
Nature is the ultimate equalizer and all those rich and powerful people who claimed to be chosen or god like are still going to be just as dead as the poorest person because nature doesn't care what they believe. Personally I find it very strange how many people like to pretend they are more than they are and have no real comprehension of their own mortality.
Myself I was given a gift early on, I was shot and found myself staring into a bathroom mirror, white as a ghost covered in large amounts of my own blood an hour from the nearest hospital. I figure I had minutes to take the correct action or I would bleed out. It was in that moment of calm that I came to understand how fragile and fleeting life is as well as the true value of time. You see in that moment there was no amount of money or power which could buy me more time. I was staring death in the face, my face, with moments to act which gives one a unique perspective few are privy to. Strange as it may seem it was not a moment of terror but calm and conviction, not fear but something else.
As such much of what other people tend to think is important seems superficial if not nonsensical to me. I don't think anyone can truly understand there own mortality until it's on the line staring them in the face. It changes a person and we can begin to realize what is really important and what is not. Something to think about...
Regards
Climate Change is now very real.
Those who possess the technology and resources now have the
ability to change the climate to suit their purposes. It is now
being done.
The primary objective of the Weather Control Programs has been
to master the means to build super-storms and other climatic
conditions in order to facilitate societal change or regime change.
It is done very carefully, of course, to make it all seem "natural."
Virtually every aspect of our existence is now under the control
of those who wield the power and the resources. Which probably
has much to do with the increasing numbers of people's uprisings
now occurring in various places simultaneously. Some of the People
are awakening to the corruption and the tyranny.
There is also a great deal of anger and violence in the uprisings.
We will probably see it in the U.S. soon as well due to the Trump
Derangement Syndrome and the Impeachment Show. It has already
begun on a small scale.
Those who possess the technology and resources now have the
ability to change the climate to suit their purposes. It is now
being done.
being done or has already been done muDped ? This clip seems to be from January 1996 . And although I haven't researched or know much about it I seem to think I read or perhaps saw a video informing that these stations are now built in various 'friendly'? nations around the globe
https://youtu.be/m63Yft7U8N4 (https://youtu.be/m63Yft7U8N4)
My thoughts on climate change are a little different than most.
I think the more Liberal minded are a little too socially responsible but care for the well being of future generations as a whole. However the more Conservative minded seem to care more for corporate profits relating to jobs and there own individual wants, wealth or greed. I tend to believe neither as a whole and other peoples problems are not really my problems and climate change denial due to greed or fear is just immature. My belief is not a belief per se but relies more on reason and facts which suggest our pollution is destroying the environment leading to climate change. As such it is not a belief so much as a principal relating directly to one's integrity and being able to look at the facts objectively despite our own personal beliefs one way or another.
Fact... pollution is degrading and destroying our environment a little more every day.
Fact... as the environment degrades the climate changes and so will our quality of life in time.
Fact... if the climate changes to such a point that it can no longer sustain life then all life will die and cease to exist on this planet.
Fact... other planets have shown sign's of past surface water and life which were destroyed when the planets climate changed.
Looking at the facts we do have a choice whether to act on climate change or not however that choice will probably determine how many people in the future survive or not. It begs the question.... do you care more about your own personal wants and needs or more about the well being of your children and future generations?. It's not my place to tell you what to do however what you do will determine what happens in the future because every action has a reaction.
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While the Climate Change Movement seems to be a benevolent,
save the Earth movement; how has it come into existence and
what are its goals?
Is it a political machine designed to achieve political goals?
Is it driven by Truth or is it driven by Love of Money Deception?
The human activity that has caused the most "pollution" in the
past 100+ years is warfare. Especially now with the exotic
weaponry, depleted Uranium and millions of tons of explosives
generated destruction and aftermath.
Will warfare end? Ultimately yes, but not in response to the
Climate Change Movement.
QuoteWhile the Climate Change Movement seems to be a benevolent,
save the Earth movement; how has it come into existence and
what are its goals?
It came into existence because people much more intelligent than us noted the Earth was changing in ways we never expected. What is most strange is not "climate change" due to pollution and man's activity which seems obvious but people completely ignorant to the facts thinking there experts.
Think of it this way.... here is NASA's website, https://climate.nasa.gov/
Now when an average person say's they think climate change is a hoax there basically saying they think there smarter than everyone at NASA. You know... real rocket scientists , man on the moon and rovers on Mars. Apparently any fool off the street who has no facts and knows literally nothing that matters can think there smarter than the smartest people on the planet, lol. I mean it's just so silly and ridiculous you have to laugh don't you?.
So let's get real, climate change and pollution are real because we can actually see the effects with our own eye's. The smog in all our cities, toxic rivers, lakes and oceans, shrinking glaciers, rampant rises in cancer and lung disease and pollution now kills more people than all other diseases combined. If we cannot see what's right in front of our face then we have big problems in my opinion.
What I find most disturbing is not climate change which is obvious or that some people have false beliefs, it is that so many people would inflict untold pain and suffering on their own children out of ignorance and greed. It makes me sick to be quite honest because it means many of us are not much better than animals and cannot take responsibility for our own actions. I'm as guilty as anyone but at least I'm man enough to admit it and willing to change.
As I like to say... If I'm wrong we may have wasted a lot of money but if your wrong we will have inflicted pain, suffering and possibly death on all our children.
When the big boys standup notice has got to be taken...
https://www.technocracy.news/greenpeace-co-founder-global-warming-is-a-complete-hoax-and-scam/?fbclid=IwAR0uWce87DK3yEiEnD33cEQN7OgrFpvJfqE4yn12wmGyGL-klxG3fTZIwKI (https://www.technocracy.news/greenpeace-co-founder-global-warming-is-a-complete-hoax-and-scam/?fbclid=IwAR0uWce87DK3yEiEnD33cEQN7OgrFpvJfqE4yn12wmGyGL-klxG3fTZIwKI)
In my opinion Globalism is to believe we all live on a globe/planet and we are all collectively responsible for our safety and continued existence. However many countries believe they can pollute and destroy other peoples countries and not be held responsible. This is the true basis for anti-globalism in my opinion and it is designed to ensure no governing body can prevent a corporation/country from doing vile and damaging things to other people.
According to the rule of anti-globalism my company can dump toxic waste into a water way, it can cross a border killing you and your family dead and I cannot be held responsible or liable. So yes of course the corporate types absolutely love anti-globalism because nobody can be held responsible for their actions.
In effect anti-globalist are saying they do not care about the rest of the world only themselves and I find that offensive. Apparently this global free energy for all thing is a complete farce and it was really just about greed.
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The Corporate definition of "Globalism" is the intent
to acquire complete control over the Peoples of the
Whole Planet or Globe. In effect, a Central Government
for the Planet to rule over all of the People as it executes
Corporate Policies and Agendas.
Which probably explains why All Governments in today's
world are Corporations. Very bad for the People.
How it is being done:
Scientific Consensus (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=199268)
Sustainable Development (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHlDpsyL8aU)
Hmm...
So globalism, science, the scientific consensus and sustainable development are a sham?. It just sounds a little whacky to me.
Do you see the pattern?, because I'm sure the big corporations would love everyone to just ignore the facts (science)and not act responsibly (sustainable) as well as never being able to oppose them collectively (globalism).
Thanks muDped, you just outlined everything we should be doing in my opinion.
1)We should act globally to shut down any government or corporation which acts irresponsibly and does harm to people which is a crime. Anyone who thinks we should act irresponsibly is themselves irresponsible and probably a criminal on some level. Doing harm to others is a crime.
2)We should listen to science who are the real experts and not someone representing or affiliated with a corporation for profit. It is simply a matter of integrity and most of the leaders of big corporations have none. Joe blow off the street is not an expert opinion... obviously.
3)We should always act in a sustainable manner because by definition what cannot be sustained ceases to exist. In this case it is our life which will cease if we cannot sustain a clean atmosphere, water, healthy foods, etc... . If we cannot sustain the things which sustain our life we die.
It is a very difficult proposition to somehow find a way to
correct all of the harm which is being done. Those who
don't care about what they're doing and are solely engaged
in acquiring more and more wealth and power are at the
moment just too powerful.
Elections no longer work because The People are simply
too much deceived. And, in those few instances where
the People are standing up now to the tyranny and
corruption they're being brutally put down.
Sure, the "Elites" may temporarily tone some of their
violence down to placate the People, but only for a
short time, then it is back to business as usual.
The ancient prophecies which address this struggle
in our time tell us that the Forces of Darkness will
enjoy considerable success in their efforts to dominate
the Whole Planet until the moment they proclaim that
they have finally imposed their "Peace and Security"
in Orwellian manner. It is then that the Forces of
Good will undo the craziness very swiftly and make
matters right.
The next several years will be something to behold.
Some believe that the year 2020 will be a very significant
one. As in 20/20 eyesight. We The People will at last
begin to see how we're being traumatized by the policies
and lies of those in power as their nefarious activities are
exposed by the light of Mr. Apocalypse. We shall see.
The tensions world-wide are ramping up.
GiantKiller,
Great link. (https://www.technocracy.news/greenpeace-co-founder-global-warming-is-a-complete-hoax-and-scam/?fbclid=IwAR0uWce87DK3yEiEnD33cEQN7OgrFpvJfqE4yn12wmGyGL-klxG3fTZIwKI) Many thanks.
zetatalk seems like a let down.
high level insider is where it's at:
http://hli.anoninfo.net/
QuoteThe ancient prophecies which address this struggle
in our time tell us that the Forces of Darkness will
enjoy considerable success in their efforts to dominate
the Whole Planet until the moment they proclaim that
they have finally imposed their "Peace and Security"
in Orwellian manner. It is then that the Forces of
Good will undo the craziness very swiftly and make
matters right.
I agree, and when the age of conceit and greed causes full blown catastrophic climate change within the next 10 years we will be held to account for our actions. However your notion of an "Orwellian manner" is misguided as we are speaking about crimes against present and future humanity. Let's be clear we are speaking of "justice" for those who have done harm to the planet thus mankind.
Your twisting the truth by using a false narrative in my opinion and "globalism" is when the younger generation takes global action to save the planet from the older generation who have almost destroyed it. It's more like the rule of law removing a reckless drunk from behind the wheel before they kill someone in my opinion. Is justice and the rule of law now a conspiracy?... lol.
The facts are clear, the environment is going to hell in a hand basket and someone is responsible, who is it?. Well that would be us because we were the only one's present who could have done it... guilty, case closed.
Regards
What we have presently in place of "Justice and Rule of Law" is clearly a
Conspiracy Fact! The World is trending towards the Orwellian State
as evidenced by events throughout the West and especially in Sweden,
The U.K. and France.
The proclamation of "Peace and Security" will be false as it will merely
signify that all who support Truth and Justice have been "neutralized"
and the coming Police State will have been installed and risen to power.
It is then that the Unbelievable Corruption will be overturned by the Forces
of Good. Mankind has not yet, nor will it have of its own will, the means to
prevent the pinnacle of badness which is soon upon us all. It is only the
Forces of Good which will be able to achieve that feat.
We haven't yet seen on a large scale how crazy and tyrannical things will
soon become. More earthquakes too.
Once all of that has run its course things on Earth will be beautiful beyond
belief. So say the prophecies.
Old story new actors
Billionaire Dan Pena on Global Warming. (https://youtu.be/UiTWr6LKPRo)
Caution: Harsh language; may not be suitable for
young ears.
Otherwise, very humorous performance.
QuoteBillionaire Dan Pena on Global Warming.
Caution: Harsh language; may not be suitable for
young ears.
Otherwise, very humorous performance.
I find it funny as well however probably not for the same reasons as most people. Did you catch all the logical fallacies and false narratives Pena used?.
One was an appeal to authority as if science and authority were the same which they are not. As well as the strawman, the fallacy fallacy, tu quoque and the bandwagon fallacy etc. He also used the appeal to emotion by invoking false authority and being a belligerent fool.
Pena was not truthful when he claimed the banks were too smart to allow housing near the coast if they knew the water levels would rise due to global warming. It was untrue because we know the banks are corrupt which is why they are always failing and cooking up ponzi schemes lacking intelligence and morals. So I'm sure the banks know the oceans will rise just as surely as they knew the toxic mortgage derivatives ponzi scheme would eventually fail. They will simply leverage their position by selling the debt to misinformed people or find other ways to cook the books. I suspect the banks may also do as they have in the past and let it happen then feign ignorance/bankruptcy in which case once again you the taxpayer will be picking up the tab.
Apparently you always pick up the tab, lol.
One would think most supposedly intelligent people would be able to spot the lies and fallacies but for some reason they just keep falling for them. Trump and his rich friends just keep lying through there teeth and getting richer and the gullible mob just keeps buying into it and getting poorer. You would think they would learn however apparently they can't help themselves.
If you want to learn something of real value read this...https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
This will allow you to spot when people like Trump and Pena are lying which is basically always, lol.
AC,
Pena and Trump are both "businessmen" who share the
addiction to Wealth and Power; aka Love of Money.
That is a mindset or life philosophy which I am unable
to comprehend.
About "intelligent people." They can be just as easily hoodwinked
as anyone else; perhaps even more easily. See the video on
"How to spot a liar" to understand why...
Part 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kATRHt_6_5k)
Part 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76XEsFkmhAs)
As you've pointed out, the Banks are into Free Energy bigtime.
By means of Usury and the prospect of Bailout by the People
(never voluntarily mind you) they really have little to worry about
as they live their lives extravagantly amongst the Movers and
Shakers who have placed themselves "above the laws."
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2019.12.27, 01:29:57
If you want to learn something of real value read this...https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
This will allow you to spot when people like Trump and Pena are lying which is basically always, lol.
Interesting, but this is just really just an add to buy the posters,cards ,books and on it goes. Advertisemts disguised as education, we have no way of avoiding influence however enlightened we may percieve ourselves to be. You can alsi click the face cook link ans have somethnig else added to your fingerprint ...for later .
I'm sure this exact argument is on one of the posters. But after you have paid for it .Who cares?
Drug companies supply "facts" to doctors with the paid peer reviews and while it works sometimes ,the markerters cant possibly care less .
This experiment has a very long way to go yet.
fun discussion .
3dmagnetics
On the main page if you mouse over the fallacy icons it gives a brief explanation below. If you click the icon is gives a longer explanation... very simple to use. You did try mousing over an icon didn't you?.
So no you don't need to buy anything,lol.
Yes ,it was when i found myself wanting a poster i realized it was just a means to get a few bucks from me .
Not to educate me .
That is my point .
The most facts we are presented with are in order that is in the interest of the comercial enterprise that paid for their order .
Lobbyists earn their living by smoothing over stuff so we can digest things more easily in the way that suits them.
Often people are not aware and refer to them in the context of facts or in this case deception .
Deceptive deception ... on and on it goes .
Building things up is way more satisfying than tearing things down .
Dont you think ?
I best get back to arranging magnetic fields ,they have no agenda.
Perhaps a portal to another dimension ?
I have been watching a show called counterpart . where a time/space portal existed and governments tried to control it.
worth a look .
This post is directed at no one person in particular. If this post offends anyone then maybe you need to evaluate why it offends you.
My first observation I want to share is the radical thinking of those on the left. If you take the time to read the comments that are usually posted at the end of news articles on the internet you will see something interesting. Almost all left thinking people want to lump anyone that doesn't agree totally with them as automatically the enemy. Even if you agree with most of what one of them says or does if you disagree on even the smallest detail you are the ENEMY. Just look at how often those on the left even bash one another. They refuse to allow any room for a cordial discussion about their ideas. And they totally refuse to accept the possibility they might be wrong about something.
Another fallacy the left keeps promoting is the idea that capitalism is only for the greedy. In other words if you like capitalism you must be greedy. The two are NOT the same in spite of the left's promoting that idea. Greed is a problem for both capitalistic forms of government and socialistic forms of government. Ask yourself why almost all socialistic governments fail. It is because of the greed of those in control.
When I was only a teenager some of the Democrats were even then complaining that the Republicans were only interested in promoting business instead of taking care of the poor and needy. My Dad told me something then that has stuck with me for over 60 years. He said "I never had a poor man offer me a job." He meant of course that if there weren't any wealthy people that owned businesses then there would be no work for any of us. How many people are working because of people like Donald Trump who keep investing in places where they can work?
As of a few days ago the economic report for the U.S. showed that the unemployment rate in the U.S. is the lowest it has been for over 40 years. And for most minority groups of people it is the lowest it has ever been. Capitalism without the greed can be the most powerful tool on earth for helping everyone achieve a decent life style. But the greedy left want to take from the rich so they can redistribute the wealth. But over and over again we have seen they only want to redistribute it to THEMSELVES! Greed works to destroy people no matter whether through capitalism or socialism.
When I got married my wife and I had $10 between us. I had just lost my job. I immediately took the first job I could find. And my wife soon after also took a job. We didn't wait for someone to help us out. We took responsibility for our own situation. Now 54 years later we are both retired and have a decent retirement income that meets our needs. We are not rich but we don't lack for anything we really need. We own our own home and have no debts. So we are in pretty good shape thanks to our being conservative with our finances during our working years and with the Good Lord's help. Capitalism has certainly worked for us.
Greed is a sickness many many people seem to have. And the love of money and power seems to be a major problem in our modern society. But it most certainly is not a problem only for those who believe in capitalism. In fact it seems to be an even worse problem for those promoting the socialist agenda. Socialism promotes the idea of letting someone else control what you do and how much money you can make. Doesn't that sound like greed on the part of the controllers? And who gets to decide who those controllers will be?
Respectfully,
Carroll
Quote from: CITFTA on 2019.12.27, 14:23:25
This post is directed at no one person in particular. If this post offends anyone then maybe you need to evaluate why it offends you.
My first observation I want to share is the radical thinking of those on the left. If you take the time to read the comments that are usually posted at the end of news articles on the internet you will see something interesting. Almost all left thinking people want to lump anyone that doesn't agree totally with them as automatically the enemy. Even if you agree with most of what one of them says or does if you disagree on even the smallest detail you are the ENEMY. Just look at how often those on the left even bash one another. They refuse to allow any room for a cordial discussion about their ideas. And they totally refuse to accept the possibility they might be wrong about something.
Another fallacy the left keeps promoting is the idea that capitalism is only for the greedy. In other words if you like capitalism you must be greedy. The two are NOT the same in spite of the left's promoting that idea. Greed is a problem for both capitalistic forms of government and socialistic forms of government. Ask yourself why almost all socialistic governments fail. It is because of the greed of those in control.
When I was only a teenager some of the Democrats were even then complaining that the Republicans were only interested in promoting business instead of taking care of the poor and needy. My Dad told me something then that has stuck with me for over 60 years. He said "I never had a poor man offer me a job." He meant of course that if there weren't any wealthy people that owned businesses then there would be no work for any of us. How many people are working because of people like Donald Trump who keep investing in places where they can work?
As of a few days ago the economic report for the U.S. showed that the unemployment rate in the U.S. is the lowest it has been for over 40 years. And for most minority groups of people it is the lowest it has ever been. Capitalism without the greed can be the most powerful tool on earth for helping everyone achieve a decent life style. But the greedy left want to take from the rich so they can redistribute the wealth. But over and over again we have seen they only want to redistribute it to THEMSELVES! Greed works to destroy people no matter whether through capitalism or socialism.
When I got married my wife and I had $10 between us. I had just lost my job. I immediately took the first job I could find. And my wife soon after also took a job. We didn't wait for someone to help us out. We took responsibility for our own situation. Now 54 years later we are both retired and have a decent retirement income that meets our needs. We are not rich but we don't lack for anything we really need. We own our own home and have no debts. So we are in pretty good shape thanks to our being conservative with our finances during our working years and with the Good Lord's help. Capitalism has certainly worked for us.
Greed is a sickness many many people seem to have. And the love of money and power seems to be a major problem in our modern society. But it most certainly is not a problem only for those who believe in capitalism. In fact it seems to be an even worse problem for those promoting the socialist agenda. Socialism promotes the idea of letting someone else control what you do and how much money you can make. Doesn't that sound like greed on the part of the controllers? And who gets to decide who those controllers will be?
Respectfully,
Carroll
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Very similar story here only the number of wives is different but got there in the end .
How well we are encouraged to be on one side of the fence or the other ..just show me the fence .
Those who construct fences are the misguided. Divide and conqour is as old as history . The horse of troy (smart phones)
and over and over again .
Best to get on with stuff, this confusion will take your head in no time .
But its nice to hear rational and honest thoughts .
Thank you, Carroll - very insightful. O0
On another note, and for the record, Secureteam10 claims to have been framed and harassed in the last several weeks :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81pzz36FxyM&feature=em-uploademail
Do you think his claims of harassment are true?
This is a fellow who studies evidence for extraterrestrial life in his videos.
Talking with many of my fairly hardcore conservative friends this holiday season and all of them without exception agreed Trump has become corrupt, morally bankrupt and a threat to the free world. My how the attitudes have changed in barely the span of one year.
Let's not forget that Trump has also committed numerous acts of adultery and groped/molested countless women by his own admission. Many of his companies have also been convicted of corruption and outright fraud against the American people. He has also cast almost everyone who is not loyal and obedient to him as an enemy of the people. As well as continually implying that if he loses an election he will consider it rigged, an attempted coup and an act of civil war.
Not to mention that some recent polls found a majority of people thought Trump was the single biggest threat to democracy more so than China, Russia or North Korea. I simply cannot fathom how so many people could support a man who has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt to be mentally unstable, corrupt and morally bankrupt. As I said, this has nothing to do with Democrat/Republican or Capitalism/Socialism this is about a man, a person who considers himself to be god like and above all rule of law... by his own admission.
So people can try to sugar coat this, victimize the victims, project, deny the facts and try to change the narrative but the cold hard facts remain. Let's face the facts, at the end of the day there glorious leader is a guy who likes to grope women and grab there crotch which is not only immoral but sick... period, end of debate.
Many, many of the Political Actors who inhabit the District of Criminals
have similar deficiencies. The District is incredibly corrupt and the
shenanigans that go on there outside the light of day truly are
sickening.
The only candidate for president I've ever voted for was Ross Perot.
Even after he ended his candidacy because the lives of his family
were threatened I still voted for him. The way that he was very
effectively "neutralized" and "removed" from the election was indeed
eye opening.
In modern times I believe that JFK and Ross Perot were probably the
only honest and untainted candidates; not party to the massive
corruption which has infected federal politics and their Love of Money.
Regarding the topic of Climate Change, an interesting take. (https://youtu.be/nkoRm9A7xr8)
QuoteMany, many of the Political Actors who inhabit the District of Criminals
have similar deficiencies. The District is incredibly corrupt and the
shenanigans that go on there outside the light of day truly are
sickening.
It is strange how the U.S. government has changed recently.
Nepotism used to be a crime and forbidden however now most of Trumps family and friends are illegally employed by him. To make matters worse he even said he wants to create a family dynasty just like China and North Korea. In the past adultery and groping women would have been political suicide however now Trumps base seem to be promoting it as normal. Outright lies proven to be false used to be called a scandal however now Trump tells four or more lies daily and over 15,000 to date. So let's be perfectly clear that the scale of lies and corruption is not even comparable to that in the past.
A more important question may be why so many people would seem to have thrown the rule of law and morality out the window to support a would be dictator like Trump?.
However were now seeing the effects of what Trump's own flavor of government has created. The younger generation has almost completely rejected Christianity because it has become hypocritical doing everything the bible say's we should do. Trump has become the poster boy for the seven deadly sins flaunting them in everyone's face while his base cheers him on. Never in my life have I seen such corruption and immoral behavior being peddled to the masses as normal.
People may want to think about that considering we just celebrated Christmas and try to remember what it used to mean and how we were supposed to act and treat others.
A little reminder of how little we know about actually predicting the future:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/top-5-most-outrageous-2020-doomsday-predictions
Carroll
Quote from: muDped on 2019.12.28, 20:04:10
The only candidate for president I've ever voted for was Ross Perot.
Even after he ended his candidacy because the lives of his family
were threatened I still voted for him. The way that he was very
effectively "neutralized" and "removed" from the election was indeed
eye opening.
In modern times I believe that JFK and Ross Perot were probably the
only honest and untainted candidates; not party to the massive
corruption which has infected federal politics and their Love of Money.
Ron Paul was one of my favorites, But he was also heavily shunted.
I am a Trump supporter. I never really knew much of him till he ran for office. In fact I didnt really know nor care of the difference between republican and democrat or most anything of politics before 2008. When Obama was running in for 2008, I took a bit of interest and listened to what he had to say, with an untrained ear, and it seemed good. But my brother was against him and we argued a bit to a point where I had to ask him if he was just being racist. But he insisted that i do my own research. And for the first time, about politics, I did. I found he was right. And that was why I was all in for Ron Paul in 2012, only to be very disappointed in those results.
Obama was screwing this country. Trump is doing his best to reverse all that. And soon I believe we are going to see many bad players go down, even Obama.
Mags
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2019.12.28, 16:56:38
Talking with many of my fairly hardcore conservative friends this holiday season and all of them without exception agreed Trump has become corrupt, morally bankrupt and a threat to the free world. My how the attitudes have changed in barely the span of one year.
Hmm. Well that has not been my experience at all. I dont really know many republicans that are against trump. In fact, I meet more and more 'former' democrats that are for trump. There have been a few republicans that dont like some things about Trump, but mostly I have found in those conversations that they watch CNN and MSNBC, etc. Just take a good look at CNN and MSNBC ratings lately. That is because reasonable people are starting to see through all their BS. Fox is blowing them away. ;)
Mags
Magluvin
We see things from very different perspectives and my views concerning trump are not based solely on politics or economics. I could never support Trump because he has been found to commit adultery and molest women, is a compulsive liar and is immoral. Those are the facts we know and I could never support that kind of person because it would also make me immoral by empowering or approving of such degenerate behavior.
Do you approve of Trumps degenerate and immoral behavior then?.
It begs another question, do you think those of us who have FE would help anyone who approves of Trumps degenerate and immoral behavior?.
I suspect most will not answer my questions because they already know the answers and what they have become. I suggest people brush up on what the good book has to say about this kind of behavior and what the result will be if they continue.
AC,
You are certainly correct we see things from a different perspective than you. Apparently in your view of things we should have voted for Hillary. So she could have continued with the liberal plans to destroy our country.
First thing I will say about Donald Trump is that I do NOT approve of his past. No one that I know of approves of all the things he has done in his past IF they are even true. With the MSM totally against him and constantly telling lies about him there is no real way to know how much of what they say is even true.
So why would I vote for a man with a checkered past? Because the alternative was much much worse.
Yet what I have found out by reading a couple of books about him is that he is a changed man. I just finished reading "Trump After Shock". It was written by a Christian man who has spent some time with Trump. He is convinced that Trump has changed considerably from the man he once was. He originally didn't like Trump because of his past but has come to realize that Trump is actually a man who sincerely believes in putting the United States first.
I know the main stream media will never report anything good about Trump but according to two different books I have read and the information I have seen on Fox News, Trump has done more to support Christian values and the Jewish people than any other president in history. He regularly meets with religious leaders to discuss their concerns. He has issued an executive order to stop the enforcement of the Johnson Amendment. That amendment says that any tax free organization that promotes a political candidate can lose their tax free status. It was basically a gag order on churches to keep them from speaking out against any politician that opposed Christian values.
AC, you have a couple of times now referred to the good book. I of course understand you to mean the Bible. Maybe you should try reading it yourself. Jesus said that he who is without sin should cast the first stone when confronted with a women accused of adultery. NONE of us are without sin. But God can use whoever he wants to fulfill His purposes. He used an ungodly king to free his people when they were held captive in Babylon. He used a harlot to help the Israelites to take the city of Jerico. She is even a part of the lineage of Jesus.
Many people believe the best indicator of a man's integrity is his word. Donald Trump has kept almost all of his campaign promises in spite of strong opposition from both political parties. He has turned the economy around. He has made our borders much more secure. He has shown tremendous support for Israel. He even moved the embassy to Jerusalem like several presidents before claimed they were going to do but didn't. God clearly says in his word that any nation or person that blessed Israel will be blessed and conversely any nation or person that curses Israel will be cursed. Trump apparently believes that admonition from God.
I see in your last post that you have FE but are not going to share it with anyone that supports Trumps past. That is sure some high moral ground you are on with that kind of attitude.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.01.02, 07:03:15
Magluvin
We see things from very different perspectives and my views concerning trump are not based solely on politics or economics. I could never support Trump because he has been found to commit adultery and molest women, is a compulsive liar and is immoral. Those are the facts we know and I could never support that kind of person because it would also make me immoral by empowering or approving of such degenerate behavior.
Do you approve of Trumps degenerate and immoral behavior then?.
It begs another question, do you think those of us who have FE would help anyone who approves of Trumps degenerate and immoral behavior?.
I suspect most will not answer my questions because they already know the answers and what they have become. I suggest people brush up on what the good book has to say about this kind of behavior and what the result will be if they continue.
Firstly, at the bottom of your every post it says "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events;
small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt.
C.C
In your first paragraph it would seem you are full of talking points from most of the liberal mainstream media. But in your last, you suggest we brush up on the good book. It would seem you need more than a brushing up on that when it comes to this. Let yee that is without sin cast the first stone. And the good book says we are all sinners. So not even you could run for president under your own standards. ;)
For 3 years starting before Trump was voted in, the opposition has tried to bring him down on the very points you describe. All of it has been a tremendous failure. And because of the very clear failure to do so by those that tried to convict him with made up fake dossier, and go into impeachment on garbage facts, and all of the every single day blatant lies and bashing from the liberal media, democrats are converting in droves against their own party lines. IE #walkaway movement.
Like I said, I didnt really know much about trump before he ran. And if you are to judge him, what does the good book say on that? I was mostly afraid of crooked Hillary as she would have been worse than Obama.
But as far as what he is doing for our country, Im all in, more and more all the time. I suppose Trudeau is your flavor? As far as Im concerned, Im glad IM here and not there. ;)
"It begs another question, do you think those of us who have FE would help anyone who approves of Trumps degenerate and immoral behavior?."
Umm, so you are truly helping those here with the FE that you have???? Interesting... How is it helping anyone? It is suppose to be Free, for all. Or is your stand point that it is not and only for a chosen few? ??? I remember talking with Romero on this some time ago... ;)
Mags
Quote from: CITFTA on 2020.01.02, 10:55:16
AC,
You are certainly correct we see things from a different perspective than you. Apparently in your view of things we should have voted for Hillary. So she could have continued with the liberal plans to destroy our country.
First thing I will say about Donald Trump is that I do NOT approve of his past. No one that I know of approves of all the things he has done in his past IF they are even true. With the MSM totally against him and constantly telling lies about him there is no real way to know how much of what they say is even true.
So why would I vote for a man with a checkered past? Because the alternative was much much worse.
Yet what I have found out by reading a couple of books about him is that he is a changed man. I just finished reading "Trump After Shock". It was written by a Christian man who has spent some time with Trump. He is convinced that Trump has changed considerably from the man he once was. He originally didn't like Trump because of his past but has come to realize that Trump is actually a man who sincerely believes in putting the United States first.
I know the main stream media will never report anything good about Trump but according to two different books I have read and the information I have seen on Fox News, Trump has done more to support Christian values and the Jewish people than any other president in history. He regularly meets with religious leaders to discuss their concerns. He has issued an executive order to stop the enforcement of the Johnson Amendment. That amendment says that any tax free organization that promotes a political candidate can lose their tax free status. It was basically a gag order on churches to keep them from speaking out against any politician that opposed Christian values.
AC, you have a couple of times now referred to the good book. I of course understand you to mean the Bible. Maybe you should try reading it yourself. Jesus said that he who is without sin should cast the first stone when confronted with a women accused of adultery. NONE of us are without sin. But God can use whoever he wants to fulfill His purposes. He used an ungodly king to free his people when they were held captive in Babylon. He used a harlot to help the Israelites to take the city of Jerico. She is even a part of the lineage of Jesus.
Many people believe the best indicator of a man's integrity is his word. Donald Trump has kept almost all of his campaign promises in spite of strong opposition from both political parties. He has turned the economy around. He has made our borders much more secure. He has shown tremendous support for Israel. He even moved the embassy to Jerusalem like several presidents before claimed they were going to do but didn't. God clearly says in his word that any nation or person that blessed Israel will be blessed and conversely any nation or person that curses Israel will be cursed. Trump apparently believes that admonition from God.
I see in your last post that you have FE but are not going to share it with anyone that supports Trumps past. That is sure some high moral ground you are on with that kind of attitude.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Absolutely! O0
Your post was posted while I was writing mine. :)
Mags
Not all Jews are convinced that the modern State of Israel is
really the Israel of Biblical Prophecy. (https://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/index.cfm) They look at is as being
a resurrection of Judea since the vast majority of what was
once Israel is still scattered about the Earth.
More about NKI (https://www.findhealthclinics.com/US/Monsey/179895388749404/Neturei-Karta-International)
They find the conduct of the State of Israel to be virtually
the same as the conduct of the old Tribe of Judah in Judea
prior to its being destroyed by the Romans.
They believe the State of Israel that now exists to be a fraud.
An Opinion Piece about the America that has put itself "first." (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52779.htm)
I quite agree with it.
Magluvin
QuoteBut as far as what he is doing for our country, Im all in, more and more all the time. I suppose Trudeau is your flavor? As far as Im concerned, Im glad IM here and not there. ;)
I have never had a favorite party because it reeks of tribalism and I have never had a flavor of politician for the same reasons. I have voted for almost every party at one time in the past based on the person's integrity and the platform they presented. That's why I have so much trouble with others flawed sense of reasoning supposing they are responsible then making apparently irresponsible decisions.
Given the same choice I would not have voted for either Clinton or Trump but looked at an independent or simply abstained which is also a choice. In the last Canadian election I did not vote Liberal, Conservative or NDP because they were all bad choices in my opinion. Do you understand?, we need to stop making bad choices and also stop trying to defend what are obviously bad choices.
QuoteUmm, so you are truly helping those here with the FE that you have???? Interesting... How is it helping anyone? It is suppose to be Free, for all. Or is your stand point that it is not and only for a chosen few? ??? I remember talking with Romero on this some time ago... ;)
My reasoning with FE is the same line of reasoning I use in all my choices explained above.
Conceptually I think your moving in the right direction and those with knowledge always get to make the rules with respect to who gains access to their intellectual property. It also begs the question... why should I give anything to people who have shown hostility and contempt towards me and my beliefs?. From what I have seen in society and the news recently I am more inclined to bury FE and retire to be honest.
If nothing else your and citfta's posts have convinced me mankind is simply not ready to move forward and evolve.
PS... there is hope, people can change and when they make that choice I suspect many people may come forward ready to help.
Regards
On the topic of Trump, I have something I've been wondering for some years now if anyone knows anything about it.
Why did Donald Trump make a TV commercial (aired in Israel) to Endorsement Prime Minister Netanyahu back in 2013... (4 years before Trump's Presidency)
Link to video of commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm5Je73bYOY
And why is he still so involved with what's going on in Israel?... is that also part of making America great?
Regards
Luc
Hi Luc,
If you go back and read my last post I explain there that apparently Donald Trump believes what the Bible says about blessing Israel. I also believe that. I also explain that according to a couple of books I have read Donald Trump seems to have changed considerably from the man he once was. I know the libs want to jump on anyone that supports him because of his past. But the fact is we all have things in our past we probably wish we had never done. I know I sure do.
Respectfully,
Carroll
I do hope you gents are right and its not going down this suggested road
https://eand.co/why-americas-collapsing-at-light-speed-da304156dff0 (https://eand.co/why-americas-collapsing-at-light-speed-da304156dff0)
regards Duncan
Quote from: Duncan on 2020.01.04, 05:55:29
I do hope you gents are right and its not going down this suggested road
https://eand.co/why-americas-collapsing-at-light-speed-da304156dff0 (https://eand.co/why-americas-collapsing-at-light-speed-da304156dff0)
regards Duncan
Hey Duncan
Most all of what is in that article is liberal talking points. For 1 example, it talks of separating mothers from their kids at the border. It has been well looked into. The liberals are accusing trump of building cages and the separation of children from their parents at the border. First off, it wasnt trump that built the cages, it was liberal Obama. The pictures of the people in cages shown by liberals were from before Trump was elected. If you watch congressional hearings on this, you will see that the argument for the separations are the same as if you were say a single parent and were charged with say a dui or drug offense, you would also be separated from your children. The same goes for those that break 'laws' of immigration. I feel for these family's. But we have to protect the border because they are not the only ones crossing. There are people crossing with children that say they are the parents and are not. There are gangs of the worst kind crossing. Even terrorists. High numbers of people from other overseas countries making the trip to mexico to cross the borders. That all needs to be kept in check for the safety of our country. And these high numbers trying to come here hinder the ability to allow the ones that truly seek asylum from doing so in a timely manor. Canada invites high numbers of refugees from countries that have a lot of bad people. look it up. Soon we may have to build a wall there also.
These days and times are much different than things used to be. So the argument of we are a country of immigrants and all should be welcome is not a safe call these days. There has to be a controlled means by which it is done if we want to be safer here. Look at Germany for example. They invited them in in droves, and only recently they(their gov)are saying it was a mistake to do so.
Trump has gotten a lot of what he ran on done so far. Now what needs to be done is for the gop to win back the house and hold the senate to really dig in and correct things that have caused many of the issues we have here. The do nothing dems holding the house are a huge hindrance. Actually im very surprised trump has been able to get done what he has with them in the house.
Anyway, when ever you read stuff like that, always always do more research to verify. And the research may need to go deep because of all the false info being placated. I mentioned the #walkaway movement. Look at some of the vids if liberals whom have converted, and one of the most common quotes from them is that they did their own research to find the actual truth.
Mags
Canada border wall , wow thats some concept! that would be a busy brickie for a week or two
Magluvin
You sound a lot like Trump always changing the topic, the false narratives, victimizing the victims and projecting.
You know many people would fall for this simple gaslighting and try to comment on all your falsehoods but ...I'm better than that. I'm sure all of you will get exactly whats coming to you in the near future because justice generally always prevails. What goes around always comes around and I'm good with that.
On a brighter note, had an awesome year with record profits and I'm starting another alternative energy tech company. The demand is unreal and most big oil and gas companies are starting to sell off there fossil fuel assets and move to clean energy, it is the way.
Regards
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.01.04, 22:13:02
Magluvin
You sound a lot like Trump always changing the topic, the false narratives, victimizing the victims and projecting.
You know many people would fall for this simple gaslighting and try to comment on all your falsehoods but ...I'm better than that. I'm sure all of you will get exactly whats coming to you in the near future because justice generally always prevails. What goes around always comes around and I'm good with that.
On a brighter note, had an awesome year with record profits and I'm starting another alternative energy tech company. The demand is unreal and most big oil and gas companies are starting to sell off there fossil fuel assets and move to clean energy, it is the way.
Regards
Well good for you.
And good for you.
"small minds discuss people"
Mags
In the news....
Here in Alberta Canada we have the third largest oil reserves on the planet and Alberta is not unlike a northern Texas. As such we have the usual assortment of rednecks waving there "I love oil and gas" signs as if nothing could ever change but it is changing. As we speak investment in the fossil fuel industry is disappearing faster than anyone could have believed and everyone I know in the industry is scared. Like many they said we can't live without oil, we need the industry and we need them... apparently they were mistaken.
However then something kind of neat happened and the very thing they said was a farce and pointless is the very thing which may just save the economy and them. The worlds largest operating solar farm of 400 MW is due to be built in Southern Alberta not that far from where I live. As it turns out the land above all those oil reserves is also the sunniest place in Canada with around 2500 sunshine hours per year. There is also the wind power with over 1.2 billion dollars of new wind power starting construction this year.
Strange isn't it?, all the fanatic far right news sites want to talk about is fossil fuels meanwhile the smart investors are leaving oil like there's no tomorrow. However there is hardly a peep about the massive influx of investment into renewables which will be driving the new economy. Hell even the Saudi's are trying to hoodwink people into buying Aramco shares because everyone knows the whole industry is about to hit the rails. The parties over boys, it's time to sober up and only a fool would be buying oil and gas shares everyone wants to sell.
The future looks bright if your smart and betting on clean sustainable energy. Which begs the question... are you really betting on clean energy, supporting and more so electing people who share these values?. In this respect Trump and many of his supporters would seem to be the enemy of the peoples best interests.
You know because Trump doesn't understand wind and windmills supposedly cause cancer... hahaha
I am definitely in favor of efforts to harness the abundant
Solar Radiant Energy and Natural Wind Energy.
AC, what are your thoughts on Professor McCanney's
Wing Generator (https://youtu.be/7ozm1CoXzCg) and its use to power water extraction
units to collect fresh water from the air?
I like the innovation he presents.
AC
Just thinking on a few things you have said in our recent conversation....
First you said "It begs another question, do you think those of us who have FE would help anyone who approves of Trumps degenerate and immoral behavior?.
Seems to imply you are one of the 'us'.
Then you said "On a brighter note, had an awesome year with record profits and I'm starting another alternative energy tech company. The demand is unreal and most big oil and gas companies are starting to sell off there fossil fuel assets and move to clean energy, it is the way."
Do your companies actually sell FE devices? If so, then why would you help any of us here with knowledge on how to make one? Wouldnt that be a possible future hindrance on your record profits? And if your companies are more solar, wind and such, not actually the kind of FE most are here to try and find or figure out, then wouldnt that also be a probable issue, again, for your record profits if someone here actually had your FE??? Maybe you could clear that up as to what actual sort of FE you are talking about? Is it just advanced solar and wind, ect, or is it an actual FE device that we all here would consider as such?
Im a bit at a loss. Im just going on what you have claimed. Just doesnt seem like a good idea for someone to claim that they might help someone actually accomplish FE( as we consider it to be), something that might harm your profit future if someone were to share it with the world and your companies would no longer have that huge advantage you claim once its out there. ??? Doesnt sound like it would be a good idea for you to do so either way. Just seems odd and more highly unlikely, ever, that you would help anyone here, yet you seem to claim some might be worthy? :-\ Strange.
Mags
Magluvin
Nice response... lol.
Mudped
QuoteAC, what are your thoughts on Professor McCanney's
Wing Generator and its use to power water extraction
units to collect fresh water from the air?
It looks neat, very creative, artistic and wind power refrigeration/cooling/water condensation has been around for a while. It's a difficult question and would I build one if I had a real need?, hell yes. Would I start a company trying to sell it as a product competing with many other well engineered products, I don't think so.
As an engineer I move towards better, faster, cheaper which means minimal parts to accomplish a given task safely. My answer was solar panels driving a linear oscillating compressor/heat pump to do the same thing with 5 year maintenance/minimal tools and cost. I engineer this stuff in my sleep however if solar then we need storage as either water or energy which always comes full circle back to the intermittent energy problem.
This is why we should look beyond most of the superficial problems which all stem from poor energy solutions and look at the problem of energy itself. I think it's amazing, I walk into a room which could be hundreds of intelligent people and I say what is energy and everyone looks at the floor. As if energy were on the floor or somehow the answer was there as well.
What most here don't understand is that they may have missed the FE bus. Solar is now $1/watt with panels/grid tie inverter and energy storage is moving at absurd levels as well. As such very soon a "FE device" as we know it will not be able to compete with normal renewable energy at the residential level. By my guesstimate renewable energy may render almost any FE tech a mute point within 10 years.
So what is Free Energy?, it's the cheapest most reliable energy solution whatever that is at that time... times are changing.
Followed a link muDped posted to energetic forum.
I forgot what a truly narcissistic abusive and judgemental place it was. However what stood out in my mind is how they talk about sharing but have literally hundreds of pages of vile and dehumanizing arguments over who did what and when.
What I also found interesting was how many of them seem to have business arrangements and are profiting off of non-working technology. It seems like everyone has there fingers in the pie or may be paid to push a false narrative like many forums.
Again it begs the question why most people in the FE forums are not talking about free energy. Most stifle creativity and alternate perspectives and appear to want to stop the conversation... strange.
Well
any time you need an ear for discussing free energy ...my door is always open
or even for possible experiments...[plenty good folks in these forums willing to try a new direction.
I think burn out flows thru the builders from time to time [or daily ?] ...Although we have those in the open source community who seem as supermen
continuing on like Edison ...1000 bad results in the pile...and still at it.
and then the times where it seemed the real deal only to find the error... or it would not run autonomous of batteries or equipment ...or run stand alone with gain...[present consensus mandates "looped" with no other power ... as proof...
been fooled too many times...
I am going back into the water myself...yet again. [water fuel experiments and plasma too]
and yeah the forums that run on secrets for ....Decades ??
they set a very low bar.. which allows all manner of nonsense to thrive in FE world.
I must admit there are a few here who do seem to steer the topic away from FE [not referring to builders tho...they always have an ear to the ground...and willing hands to help.
I agree many have been fooled too many times.
The frauds are easy to spot...
1) They are intolerant and cannot stand any criticism
2) They claim only they understand and everyone else is misguided.
3) They ask for money or donations.
This is why I refuse to accept any money and welcome all criticism. Let's be critical, let's openly debate FE and move forward.
Regards
AC,
You've nailed it!!
It really is that simple.
Chet
With respect to being off topic or distracting we need to be careful.
I see many builders flogging the same old horse never showing measurements or a circuit diagram. Is this not distracting because without context or measures it is in fact completely meaningless. As if to say oh look I have another unknown circuit and oh look at the funny lines on my scope, are you impressed yet?... no I am not impressed.
This is how many people give the appearance of moving forward but are simply gaslighting people in my opinion. Hell I could build non-working untested unmeasured devices all day long without even trying. It means nothing without context in my opinion and we have seen this all before.
I would rather see a simple diagram, some relevant measurements and more important a working theory to explain what were actually seeing. So as a FE researcher and builder I find most of the builds to be little more than a dog and pony show.
Regards
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.06.17, 15:41:07
I would rather see a simple diagram, some relevant measurements and more important a working theory to explain what were actually seeing. So as a FE researcher and builder I find most of the builds to be little more than a dog and pony show.
Regards
I agree.
I invite you to critique the hhop gen 4 open loop system. A simple mathematical proof will suffice.
Free Energy - From Suppression To Manifestation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzfG1ezW6wU)
We could have Free Energy.
Some would say we should have Free Energy.
Presentation by Mark Passio at the Tesla Memorial Conference, New York City, January 11, 2014.
Hello friends.
You want answers ? .....I will give the answers to you , and you can PM me 24 h / day.
I have been in the FE community for around 12-15 years..and I have seen lots and lots and LOTSSSS of things and people.
I did research in HHO , Water fuel Cell since 10 years ago and invested my time , money in the last 1.5 years in the BUCKING COILS experiment just to find out that is a complete SCAM. ( You know who I am talking about )
You say something is wrong...something does not ADD up ....and you are 100% correct.
If I were to TRAIN one of you in the WATER FUEL CELL technology , it would take me 1 Day...to share with you what I have found in the last 10 years !!!!!! (just and example )
It is very very efficient this way to share the secrets you have learned.
However, here comes in play some traits that human behavior has...some EGO and personality problems.
The people that have very good ENERGY MACHINES do not want to have contact with you.They think you are UNWORTHY and BRAIN DEAD.
They think that you have no worth and you deserve to work as a slave for the government all your life.
You my friends....must change your VISION ,
You must see more CLEAR and that is , , that many people are bad..and they do not want you to succeed.
""I have It and you DON'T...I have it and you DON'T....hahahahahh hahahahah ""
Example :
In 2015 a new setup came to life....on ou dot com ....bucking coils.....1 input coil 2 reverse wound coils from which one acts as a battery and pumps current when the input is Off.
I do not want to give any names...please....
6 years are gone and the tech is not released ,
We have seen that in BEDINI , DON , MAYER , JOE etc ( May god rest them in peace )
In GERMANY , I have a very good family relationship with one of the best doctors and experts in personality disorders Field.
I have explained to her the whole situation , and she told me that these situations ( bucking coils ) is a strong indication of CLUSTER A , CLUSTER B , CLUSTER C personality disorders.
Never in her career has she witnessed a person that has all 3 CLUSTERS.
She also told me that the people with one of these CLUSTERS , do not love money very much , but they are looking for "Love , Admiration ,Adoration ,Gang Creation ) etc
I have DEFENDED @Chet K ,to my own people and my reword was BAN.
We must WORK Together ,even if sometimes we argue,....the only way this will work is if we work as one.
I will reveal all that I find about the Water Cell and Joe Cell technology....and I do not need any money or ovation or gang creation from anybody.
Everybody is 100% responsible what it does with the technology.
I will also reveal (when I find it ) ..the REVERSE Aging and Cell regeneration process that many many over 200 years old people are benefiting from.
KNOW who your friends are....Wake Up !!
Love you guys and I wish you all the best !!
Thanks for sharing Sollaris.
Quote from: poynt99 on 2021.05.05, 20:47:25
Thanks for sharing Sollaris.
I thank you for accepting me here Poynt99 !!
I hope we will get along good ,and progress to the future as better human beings.
We can make it ! C.C C.C C.C
Sollaris,
Rather than posting in this topic though, please find a suitable one that is related to what you wish to discuss and share. Or you may start a new one if that is better.
I think this topic can be closed...