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Hello friends.

First I want to thank to @poynt99 for opening this section .   *Thank you mate !!

Now ...here is a place to talk about the JOE CELL ....failed experiments , good experiments , things that you've heard etc...please....just join in.

We are talking here for INFORMATION PURPOSE ONLY , and nobody here wants to destroy the Oil industry or  Wold Economic Systems !

I will provide links and videos where you can read and get lots of information in a very short time.

Please do not forget that nothing is 100% ...so from these links and videos you must suspect that only 80% is the truth....and 20% are lies and misinformation.

To keep it short :

THE JOE CELL is a energy device that can power a MOTOR

*Alternative people say that it can change the weather , change gravity and much more

So...this means that you can power a car with it when it is 100% operational...or you can reduce the consumption with 20-50% if it's working.....but not that great.

The JOE CELL is made from 2 , 3 , 4  or 5 SS Tubes ( stainless steel ) one inside another.

It is filled with CHARGED WATER and than via an aluminum tube with a BLANK at the end...it is mounted on the Engine BLOCK of your car / Generator

!!! No hose , no Hydrogen is inserted into the engine...else that would be a Hydrogen Cell and not a JOE CELL.

Some kind of energy is transferred from the cell ...via the Aluminum tube to the engine.  * The engine gets Charged and IMPLOSIONS occur !!

!!! * For much tine people said that it was ORGONE energy....but in the last 10 years..some people say that are PROTONS...subatomic particles that are so small...they have no problem getting throw the Aluminum Material (from which the motor block is made )

Please take a look at this video where Alex Schiffer tells / shows the difference between a STAGE 1 , 2  and 3 Cell.
(Please disregard the comments and poor quality of the video )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXWnLsx0d4Q

A nice explanation comes from Stephen Jones in a 3 part video.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS1tGKgCCYU
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM67ZtK0m5w
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYmAC3t3-5s

Both Alex and Stephen have wrote books about the JOE CELL , however too much detail sometimes make people give up because they think it is too hard.

The cost of building a JOE CELL is around 200 -300 euro. ( Stainless Steel Cylinders )
Water is free , you can find it everywhere.

This is my first Thread here on the forum , and I do apologize if I forgot to write things here. I will edit the post later on with further details.

In the end I want to tell you that the reason why efficient devices are not here on the forum , the reason why you do not have a JOE CELL , is because the PEOPLE KEEP it a secret !!
I have seen this in the last 12 years of my life with all kind of devices.
It is NOT the Government , or Men in Black , or Aliens etc..

People work against People.
People hate other People.
People want money from other People.

Please don't forget....If somebody wants to tell you a secret...to show you a schematic....all it takes are 5 seconds...and not DECADES guys.

Love you all.
Please post the good and the bad.
Any info is welcomed.

Be well !!!

Solaris
Thanks for starting a joe cell topic

Many have been Intrigued over the years , would be wonderful to interview a replicator !
Or even visit ?

Thx
Chet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q4coAAggww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q4coAAggww)
Joe Cell Horses Mouth

This video is Joe speaking, and there are two important things he is attempting to show us, which many people miss on the first take.

Each time Joe Turns on the power supply, he shows it produces a different gas.
He lights off the bubbles on the first two, but on the third power up he simply explains it would shake the walls and hurt your ears.

The third gas , if it is a gas, it is in the bubbles, will "implode" with a whole lot more power then the first two.
It will do this with untreated tap water on the first three times you power up the cell and make bubbles.
A flat plate electrolizer will not.

You can also see he is doing nothing the same that Alex was studying.
He is even making cells out of old fire estinguishers, they work just fine to show this also!

While Alex, bless his heart, is studying the viscosity of water, and using very high tension water to show how the bubbles change.
Alex also puts electrolite into the cell to set the conductivity to 1 amp at 12 vdc, and plays with the ph as I recall.
Alex is doing painstaking accurate work to attempt to reach a science, and this was a great boost for everyone back then.
He wrote the first research on the cells in my generation I am aware of.

There was a man in earlier times who also ran a car on a cell, before Joe did, my fathers generation. I do not remember his name. A man named Yule Brown studied this phenomena and made what he called H1 gas. When it burns it first turns to H2 gas which is 1/2 the volume [implodes], and then if O2 is present it explode and turns into water. Yule Brown put out a technical document and somewhere I probably still have it. Browns gas was the term used after that. He made a torch system that could burn right through bricks.

Now these are the technical things we can identify, before you open the door to vibration manipulations, which Joe speaks about quite often.
After Joe perfected the cell running a car, he was able to finally run a car without the cell using various techniques, that basically no one really understands, even when he explains it. The story goes, I believe it was an Isuzu or a rover that ran out of gas, Joe went out moved one wire, and then drove the car off.

Now in Stephens method he does not appear to speak about Yule Browns work with H1, but what he does is charge a cell with electricity then sees how long the charge takes to bleed off. This is very ingenious indeed, and he states there is a half life for all cells.

Well some of us can take plain tap water, put it in a cell, use three taps of voltage and the voltage charge on the cell will never bleed off. It will self generate, and even if you short between the tubes, when you take the short off, the voltage will pop back. This is the self sustaining mode, or what Alex called "breeding." I can get this to work on a good cell without any bubbles, with water right out of the tap. The three gasses from the concentric tube geometry of the Joe Cell are instant. You only need to make bubbles to see it, but a match will give you the whole story right off.
Be sure to wear ear plugs on the third gas.

Now as to theory, if we positively charge an H1 atom, there is your Proton, the mass vibration element that is the motive power of EM in copper wire.
However to get an implosion you only need H1 gas, and when it fires off you get out spin, it is that spin action that makes Browns gas work really well for a cutting torch.

So in their persuit of comprehension, we have some real science, but then we also hit a place of feel felt work with Joe, and things that appear as magic.

Another aspect of the cell is it's ability to manifest elements.
That is a whole other subject.

Dave L

Quote from: DaveL
Another aspect of the cell is it's ability to manifest elements.

That is a whole other subject.

An intriguing final thought!

Electrolytic Transmutation is an area of interesting research.

Quote from: sollaris1989 on 2021.05.08, 23:46:06

I will provide links and videos where you can read and get lots of information in a very short time.

I would like to see good information about a car that runs on a JOE CELL today. Best would be a video which shows technical details and information on how long the car is already running (how many miles it run on the JOE CELL).

A real detailed report about a car running today on a JOE CELL. It would be nice if that report were verifiable.

The big question about the JOE CELL: whatever it is, how long would a car engine be able to run from it before it brakes down?

Has a JOE CELL ever powered a motorcycle or moped (two stroke motorcycle)?

There a lots of videos about lawn mowers powered by a mixture of water and gasoline. I guess, that is not a JOE CELL?

Greetings, Conrad

Quote from: conradelektro on 2021.05.12, 14:28:54
There a lots of videos about lawn mowers powered by a mixture of water and gasoline. I guess, that is not a JOE CELL?

From the data above the Joe cell does not feed its gasses into the engine manifold.  The pipe connecting the gasses to the engine is blanked off.  So there is speculation that something more fundamental gets through to the combustion chamber, like protons (or in Dave L's post some form of vibration at a special frequency).

Smudge

Hello friends.
Thank you for your interest in the JOE CELL technology.
I am very honored to have all of you in my thread.

To answer your questions first :

** Chet K , I thank you mate. You are a very nice and kind person.Please never change.
To interview a replicator is very hard if not impossible.
I say that , because with every stage of the JOE CELL , the replicator changes inside...as a person..as a soul. Stage 1 , 2 , 3 ,  4 , 5 .

If a person has reached with the CELL stage 3 or 4....and he can Manipulate weather or nullify Gravity ....he may have the impression that he is GOD. And in that situation , GOD does not talk to normal people like you and me any longer.

!!!! It is said , that when the Cell gets to a certain point , you will have instant ACCELERATION , or almost instant . That means , that it does not matter if you car has 1000 kg or 5000 kg...if you hit the gas to hard , the speed which you vehicle will  travel .........well...it would not be possible to explain.
From that effect , people have come with this idea..that the car does not answer to the rules of gravity any more.



Now , as we all here are trying to explain all with logic and Science...and not magic or voodoo....I have a theory about this "Gravity " phenomena .

!!! When you CAR , BIKE , SHIP , TANK.....(no matter the weight ) .....reaches RESONANCE , ( like series resonance in coils ) ....there will be no more RESISTANCE , and the vehicle will travel freely in this ETHER FIELD we call AIR.

**conradelektro   I am a big fan , and I love your videos !!!

The cell will never run out of water of out of energy.
The cell is connected to the energy field around us.The Cell uses the same energy that our HEART uses.

Our heart beats day and night , without stopping , until 1- The AVATAR gets a sock and loses the connection ( bullet shot )  or 2 - The AVATAR has deteriorated beyond repair and can not maintain the FIELD any more.
PRANA, CHI , ETHER , LIFE FORCE.....its all one and the same.

The videos about the mixture of water and gasoline .....lawn motor....etc...have nothing to do with the JOE CELL.

About the report of a working JOE CELL, ......Conrad...Google and YouTube have DELETED almost every information about BROWN GAS.....YULE BROWN...as DAVE L  ,told us.

If we were to classify the JOE CELL , it would be Classified above Classified.

The only way to make all the pieces of the puzzle together , is to stay one with another and never lose hope.
I trust that David L , a good man .....will throw us ..between the lines some clues now and then......as the information he has about JOE ,Stephen and the others are gold.

And YES....in the JOE CELL ( STAGE 3 ) the gas produced it is not hydrogen..but Brown Gas !!!

Stage 1 and Stage 2 produces normal Hydrogen.

** Smudge  100% correct you are.You nailed it !!

Now friends for all of you..for your consideration and you time....I would like to show you some videos.
Please never forget that what I post / Show...is the real deal...and not..perhaps..or .""may be "

(I say this is because many people on YouTube try to misinform. )

Video 1 .
A JOE CELL that works, and how it looks inside a car !!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F70s9_eb6Zk&t=4s

Video 2 .
How does a JOE CELL work , problems with O2 sensors in cars , protons not orgone !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH20UL7Kdgw&t=294s

Video 3 .

How does a JOE CELL water look like..?  Charged water !!! Dances...expands from the inner cylinder to the outer cylinder !!
The music is very emotional together with the JC. I feel....strange...like a small sadness inside my heart....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5-6Imd3SjU

!!! Guys , buy if you want...do not buy if you do not want.

I shared the videos not like a sale pitch....but those are in around HD quality , and I vouch for RITALIE to be the real Deal....NO smokescreen , no scam ...the info that he shared in the video are 99.9% TRUE.

**Dave L Thank you for your time and your input my friend.
I wish you much  health.

Friends.....only if we stay together we can do it.....we can have a healthy and abundant life.....if not for us....but for our children.

I wish you all the best in the world.

@Sollaris1989

Wild horse couldn't drag most of us off this task

Even Conrad...

Thanks for your comments and info on the Joe cell ( looking forward to digging in )

You definitely are an interesting fellow , with a passion that shows and a good heart !

Respectfully
Chet

Very interesting.

i wonder if some or any of the H ions leak through the tubing on their way to the blind fitting?

Quote from: conradelektro on 2021.05.12, 14:28:54

There a lots of videos about lawn mowers powered by a mixture of water and gasoline. I guess, that is not a JOE CELL?

The P47 had water injection as a very short term power boost (short or the engine blows up) but you are being spun off in the wrong direction.

Smudge

QuoteFrom the data above the Joe cell does not feed its gasses into the engine manifold.  The pipe connecting the gasses to the engine is blanked off.  So there is speculation that something more fundamental gets through to the combustion chamber, like protons (or in Dave L's post some form of vibration at a special frequency).

It's known that radio waves/microwaves cause substances to break down and plasma reformers can break up material into it's basic elements.

It was also noted in the art by Schauberger, Tesla, Moray, Keely, Hutchison and many others that relatively low energy oscillations of a special nature had the ability to transform a substance. In one strange case a piece of aluminum became magnetized for a period of a few hours and would attract iron like a normal magnet. Metals became fluid at room temperatures, strange fields from materials, levitation, cats kissing dogs... it's all very strange.

Those skilled in the art understood that everything we call a material property ultimately leads back to the atomic structure/geometry and kind of motion occurring on the atomic level. Many used macro geometry like the Casimir effect, oxide layers in between multi-metal structures or resonant cavities to produce internal oscillations which also produced strange field effects. It would seem to me all that is really needed is to do something truly different or unique which seems to be a problem for many stuck in normalcy and repetition.

In my opinion it comes down to the fact that these inventors had truly creative minds while the rest of the population continues to wish they had one. The creative mind is easy to spot, they love problems, actively seek them out and try solve them...

Regards
AC

Quote from: Chet K on 2021.05.13, 01:24:37
Wild horse couldn't drag most of us off this task

Even Conrad...

Respectfully
Chet

I do not want to drag anyone off any task. I just want to see comprehensible information about the JOE CELL. The videos and the information so far cited in this thread are not helpful. But may be they help you. If you find out how to build a JOE CELL that really powers a car, please let us know.

Greetings, Conrad

Quote from: poynt99 on 2021.05.13, 01:47:15
Very interesting.

i wonder if some or any of the H ions leak through the tubing on their way to the blind fitting?

Hello poynt99.
As you see in the videos , there is a wave propagation from the 1 cylinder ( inner one..the small one ) , to the second...to the third etc.
When the  "" wave "" reaches the last cylinder of the cell ( the biggest one )  it does not have anywhere to go...BUT UP
It goes UP , until the body of the cell is finished....and the ""wave / energy "" it does not have anywhere to go...BUT THROUGH THE PIPE .
It goes up to within the pipe...and at the end it will encounter a SPARK GAP
It will jump via the spark gap extremely fast...into the Blind fitting...and from the blind fitting into the Aluminum Motor Block.

Talking all this in consideration , we can suppose that the energy is just looking for a Resting place...a place where it can reach EQULIBRIUM !

You were spot on with your affirmation poynt99 .
Well done !!

Best regards Sollaris1989.

Conrad

QuoteI do not want to drag anyone off any task. I just want to see comprehensible information about the JOE CELL. The videos and the information so far cited in this thread are not helpful. But may be they help you. If you find out how to build a JOE CELL that really powers a car, please let us know.

http://docshare02.docshare.tips/files/13201/132012422.pdf
A complete guide to build a Joe Cell


Everyone else...
As we can see the input is low voltage, approximately 12v at 1 amp which excludes HV effects. All the experts who have done actual experiments claim the cell is physically closed and loses no water thus there cannot be any oxygen or hydrogen leaving the system. Which basically negates all of the obvious common sense theories proposed by most.

One clue is that the water, the cell and any device it may be attached to must be "conditioned" first. Most have no idea what this means however many successful FE inventors have claimed this is an integral part of there process. Most would dismiss it without actually understanding what in fact the term means.

Condition...have a significant influence on or determine (the manner or outcome of something), bring (something) into the desired state for use, the state of something with regard to its appearance, quality, or working order.

The most obvious problem here is that many would suppose that ordinary matter cannot be conditioned and nothing should happen because science has implied that everything is just a bunch of inanimate senseless particles moving about in a vacuum full of EM waves... however so are you. By the same reasoning science utilizes your just a bunch of particles moving about in a vacuum full of EM waves and are therefore impossible and you should be just as inanimate and unintelligent as a rock or log or water in a lake...but your not.

That's a real brain fart isn't it?... that the supposedly most technical minded and rational people would literally deny there own existence in the name of science?. That's quite the contradiction and in this respect what most call common sense science has zero credibility ergo... there must be more to it than we suppose.

My point here is that the normal line of reasoning/justification with respect to mass and energy/motion as just an inanimate unintelligent mass of particles in a vacuum does not hold water. You want irrefutable proof... just look in a mirror.

Regards
AC

There are multiple ways to charge a Joe cell.

Stanley Meyer used an EM resonance to fracture water, EM is a destructive method if used at higher voltage. His goal was to break the water bond.
Joe used simple taps of 12 volts, also a 9v battery in one video.

We can also set up vibration protocols using geometric expansion, to show how the vibration power will travel towards the smaller tube while the low current DC travels towards the outer tube. Attached is a spreadsheet I was working on to use scalar coils to charge a cell to the high tension mode instantly.

Scalar coils produce vibration without the EM component, which can easilly become self sustaining.

Water bond resonance happens at 632 hz, you can see on the chart these frequencies are multiple fractal expansions of that frequency, by the formula mm = khz for a scalar coil F-gen vibration distance.

The center tube will take on a hex form vibration field with a radius distance frequency applied that fits into the thickness of the tube if it resonates with the water. There will be one on the chart that will fit, for both inch, and mm tubes as the chart shows.

Platonic form vibration.

Anyway as the tubes get larger with the same hex imprint installed on them the frequency goes higher when you hit the geometric expansion frequency of the tube at the center.
These frequencies create a strong inwards pull on the systems water mass pushing it into the hydrogen diamagnetic mode. They also bring higher frequencies down in octaves towards the center tube. It is this inflow power of vibration that sets up a self sustaining voltage charge that will never bleed off. That is how we capture energy from space using a convergent vibration field bubble.

Some may wish to experience this effect, and play with that programming method.
It is a powering kind of fractal.
However remember your body is also filled with water.

If you cut a tube to a prime number fractal of this length 0.632 mm the tension on the water may become excessive and drive you out of the area.
So it is not recommended to cut these tubes to vibrate up at that length, rather program the vibration so you can take it back down easilly.

The scalar Bismuth coils with the Aluminum wire through the center, and a digital F gen can be used to inject frequencies into each tube with a touch of the aluminum wire to the top of the tube.

I believe Joe does this using his mind. I wanted to show it can also be done using science.

Scalar Coil Construction Reference Listing (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Scalar_Coil/Scalar_Coil_Construction_Reference_Listing.html)

DaveL

Quote from: DaveL
Some may wish to experience this effect, and play with that programming method.

Do you know of any videos which may be available to demonstrate the necessary setup?

What would be an appropriate Search Term to look for potential videos which demonstrate the vibration process?

Quote from: muDped on 2021.05.17, 01:50:03
Do you know of any videos which may be available to demonstrate the necessary setup?

What would be an appropriate Search Term to look for potential videos which demonstrate the vibration process?

No, I have never seen one if it exits.

Every video I have seen either deals with voltage charge, or bubbles, or reducing fuel consumption. None impart comprehension of the process involved that can effect inertia and gravity, which is the greatest power of the water cell to teach one.

One video shows Joe taking a group of possible investors for a ride. You hear the engine reving up and them taking off pretty fast, but you cannot really feel what is happening with inertia from the video.

We can take a pitcher of water and slowly pour it out, and notice a twist in the stream as it falls.
We charge the water in a JC, put it in the pitcher, slowly pour it out and see the stream twist in the opposite direction as it accelerates towards the ground.

The spin on the atoms mass is invisible in the water in the pitcher, we cannot observe it until we pour it out and see how it responds to gravity and motion.

The video would not only be boring to watch, but most people would have no idea what it means or why it works like that.

How is it that water can contain a spin charge inside it that we can only detect when it is accelerating?
This is the most important question, as it leads directly into inertial dampening fields.

It amazes me that so many people have played with these cells and not observed this or even questioned it.

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On a cell with no bolt through the bottom we are only dealing with three wires.
2 to the DC power, and one to the frame of a car or steel table.

Joe Cell Charging (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Joe_Cell/Secrets%20of%20Joe%20Cell%20Charging.html)

Joe Cell Programming (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Joe_Cell/Joe_Cell_Programming.html)

Again we have effects noted that are "too simple" to realize the meaning even when observed.

DaveL

For me the absolut mystery in connection with the JOE CELL ist the "motor interface". How can you influence the revolutions of the engine with the gas pedal if no gas is injected into the cylinders?

The JOE CELL never runs out of "steam", therefore no tangible matter can flow from the JOE CELL to the cylinders and therefore nothing tangible can be influenced with the gas pedal of the car. There might be Orgon flowing around, but why and how does the gas pedal influence the amount of Orgon going into the cylinders?

So, the motor turns and one has no way of driving because one can not change the revolutions of the motor.

I would like to find an answer to this.

My impression is, that a car with a JOE CELL still sucks petrol into the cylinders and is driven in the usual way by injecting more or less petrol into the motor. It could be that the car needs less petrol with a JOE CELL but it does not run without petrol. The gas tank and the carburetor are left in the car and the JOE CELL is added. Also the ignition system has to work. Does Orgon need igniting?

Also the "vibration trick" of DaveL needs a normal petrol motor consuming petrol.

This is not criticism, it just needs to be clarified.

Greetings, Conrad

We can detect how the mass of an object will spin when accelerated as it interacts with the background field.
We shoot a bullet upwards the spin is cw looking at it from behind. The mass is the Proton Neutron interacting with the background field.

We charge the JC water and notice we can change this to electron spin dominance, it will spin the other directions when accelerated.
When ever we speak of mass and weight we are not discussing the electron shells. We are discussing the nuclear center of the atom.

When the water spins the other direction, it changes it's interaction with space as it accelerates.
We begin to reduce inertia.

When this is realized, we then move into how to increase the charge on the water, and here is the part with platonic form vibration using geometric expansion in order to pull inwards more energy from the background field, in order to increase the potential behind the cells polarity. We can spin it faster and faster until inertia is nearly cancelled, or the other direction until it begins to produce more mass.

The flow of energy that sustains matter, comes in from space to create the Proton, it is then reflected back outwards to create the electron shells.
The Proton is fed from the background field and the natural spin creates the mass and weight. Electron spin has no weight we could even record.

The balance between these two spins determines how strongly the background field influence mass and weight.

Change the polarity on the cell and it starts to create mass, depending on the isotope resonance you put into the water.

We can feel the Isotope resonance of various elements, and poroject them into the water using chi ability.
Or we can calculate them using the NMR calculator, gauged to the background field frequency.

The professor is thinking this is just too simple, no offense, I love people of higher education! Joe has none to block him in pure trial and error.
So the study of water in a convergent energy system, gives us saucer technology, and a way to manifest elements.

Now why would anyone want to supress that?
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The challenge is to learn to create fields that are stable enough, they are not effected by our background field which is filled with RF.
In experiment I located a background frequency that fills that bill it is around 1.3 Ghz.
Fields derrived from this level cannot be disturbed by a 1 tesla neo magnet moving through them.
Weaker fields can be knocked down using a neo magnet.

Thus the rule of Joe, do not place any magnets around the cell.

DaveL

Quote from: conradelektro on 2021.05.17, 15:38:18
For me the absolut mystery in connection with the JOE CELL ist the "motor interface". How can you influence the revolutions of the engine with the gas pedal if no gas is injected into the cylinders?

The JOE CELL never runs out of "steam", therefore no tangible matter can flow from the JOE CELL to the cylinders and therefore nothing tangible can be influenced with the gas pedal of the car. There might be Orgon flowing around, but why and how does the gas pedal influence the amount of Orgon going into the cylinders?

So, the motor turns and one has no way of driving because one can not change the revolutions of the motor.

I would like to find an answer to this.

My impression is, that a car with a JOE CELL still sucks petrol into the cylinders and is driven in the usual way by injecting more or less petrol into the motor. It could be that the car needs less petrol with a JOE CELL but it does not run without petrol. The gas tank and the carburetor are left in the car and the JOE CELL is added. Also the ignition system has to work. Does Orgon need igniting?

Also the "vibration trick" of DaveL needs a normal petrol motor consuming petrol.

This is not criticism, it just needs to be clarified.

Greetings, Conrad

I had these same questions when Bernie invited me down to Oregon to build cells and experiment with them.

The answer is that there are three different effects to run an engine from a cell.
All three have not yet really been well perfected.

HHO is a fuel that will run an engine in a way we find conventional. We can calculate piston displacement and discover how much gas we have to make to run the engine. In this we do not fire until slightly after top dead center.

H1 gas is another method, and when it fires it first changes to H2 and reduces its volume by 1/2, creating an implosion and a tremendous spin charge.
Then a secondary explosion to water as the H2 burns with O atoms. This has to fire well before top dead center as the implosion has specific physics we have not really understood.
In this method the throttle of a carburator works backwards, as we choke the carb, it creates higher vacuum, and the water in the cell will produce more H1, this is still running a tube to the carb that passes a little H1. Also in this method it takes very little volume of gas produced compared to method one. The cell goes into a breeding mode and is actually creating H1 atoms and the spin charge release also adds power by altering inertia.

Now to understand the last concept we have to examine what happens between the oil and the water in an engine when they are being hit with these high vibration fields from the water spin system. Robert Hulls experiments really brings this into focus.

Oil pressure will not drop.
The oil begins to take on a field where it expands to a limit, and creates a spatial pressure zone around the enigne.
The water begins to take on a field of compression pulling against it.
We get a two layered field around the engine that begins to effect inertia.

When the spark plug fires at the top of the piston range it blows a hole in the compressing field bubble, and the piston is given a shot of reversed spin causiing it to shoot upwards, this is completely an inertial response. Tesla had this design that no one understood. He actually has a piston in the patent.

Motion is a result of mass spin changing. It is not a result of voltage and current directly, how ever voltage and current can cause motion by altering the mass spin in copper wire.

The mass vibration propagates through the entire car and surrounds the passengers, who also experience a change in inertial responses.
Robert noted the slip stream response where the cars resistance to air flow over it dropped as this field bubble becomes stronger.

With either of the second two effect we get the inertial release, but in the last mode that is all that runs the engine. Thus we can now investigate ways to make that effect work without using the cell.

I would describe the last method as more how a saucer craft works without any pistons.

Are these things magic? People watching Joe do this stuff thought so.
They are not magic, they used concepts of science we already know a lot about.

The only part science has been in denail of, is the humans ability to sense these vibration fields and actually work with them consciously.
That is when you are inside a field bubble of higher frequency, your own mind begins to accelerate also and your comprehension increases.

This is about the best I can do at this time to give an answer. All mental models are subject to change with greater understanding.

DaveL

The 89/50 is an extension of the last method manipulating only the field fabric around the engine and car to give saucer like responses.
It can be set up to use geometric expansion to make it stronger and stronger. Because it uses the engines own vibration power to create the field, we do not need the water. It is calculated off the circle of power at the bottom of the piston where it describes a circle, as a platonic form vibration with 50 segments, and when the 89 x is added outside this circle, it causes inertial resistance to turn outwards and instead of slowing the RPM is reduces gravity.

The Joe Cell is the tool that taught us how this works.

The strong force is 137 times more powerfull then EM and it works using pure vibration.

At some point I hope realizations will start to happen for others, as it has for me over many years of experiments with these cells.

Do not limit your curoisity to EM however, start to look closly at inertia too, and then it will start to make sense.
Put the cell in the car where the inertial qualities can then be observed as one accelerates and then stops.

A piston engine produces a constant acceleration off each piston. The up down motion is constantly accelerating then stopping at its two limits where it reverses direction. There is tremendous inertial forces present in this up down reversal of motion. We only need change the balance of how each side responds to power an engine off modified inertial responses in the piston cycle.

This was why I started calculalting fractals off the piston stroke distance and then finally off the circle of power where the piston arm meets the crank. That circle of motion recieves all the power of the engine as stress fields. [Tensor Fields at atomic levels.]

Vibration energy or chi, is the future of craft for transportation in an advancing culture, and nothing is hidden.
We need to be able to observe the actual effects then ask the correct questions.

An engine has a lot of power, and these fields are not subtle when they are raised up.

89/50 Pathway Into the Engine (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Joe_Cell/8950.html)

I got my car to respond with its own gravitational center, while disconnecting from the earths field, and it got stronger with each layer of the field, until driving the car scared me, as I no longer feel the motion of the road at all.

I made the complete transition through the three levels of propulsion, and then the last one which was far stronger, using vibration only.

I have made no efforts to run a car without gasoline, as that may be disasterous to start demonstrating. What you can realize from the field bubbles, is that there is ultimatly far more power there then gasoline produces. Also to take off in a car and not be thrown back in your seat is an incredible experience.

Are we ready for such things? Not until comprehension is present is what "they" keep telling me.
DaveL

Compare the atom to the Joe Cell with geometry in mind.

The atom has positive voltage at the center and negative voltage with almost no mass outside.
The atom creates mass.

The Joe Cell reverses this geometry, positive on the outer can and negative at the center.

Proton energy then surrounds the entire cell and holds negative spin energy inside it creating a field bubble with tension pulling inwards on the background field of space and a reversed spin electron charge inside it pushing outwards.

The voltage polarity determines the direction of spin, and increasing the tempic field compression give a boost that is geometrical to both.
What does that mean?

If we combine two voltages, we create the field of the sum of the two. If we boost the Tempic field component of the spin, the area of the field is a function of the radius squared, we get a 4x gain in the voltage power, not only a sum. Voltage has no mass, cipher that one.

When we realize that space is a Source of power, tapping into a greater volume of space gives a temic field gain of 8x, 2x along all it's dimensions for a volume. This is why a compressing field increases the energy level, if the layers of the field couple at octaves. Vibration power travels towards the smaller fractal, and electrical electron energy travels against this the other direction to spread out.

There are a great many ways to program a joe cell to experience these fields, and learning how platonic form vibration is calculated and set up is essential to increasing the power behind the field.

[b=http://www.resonantfractals.org/Joe_Cell/Law_Of_Geometric_Expansion.html]The Law of Geometric Expansion[/b]

This may seem too basic to believe, I do not know but it comes from both Walter Russell and Wilbert Smith, and it works in practice.
Attempt to understand it.

When you see it work this gives all the answers to free energy systems. The power comes from the background field being manipulated by specific frequency of vibration which is invisible to an EM meter.

DaveL

One of the methods to see if your cell is producinig the correct kind of energy is to use a compass and walk around the vehicle.

Tempic field can quadruple voltage which is an area type field, but it can make a magnetic field 8 times the size.

The charged engines can produce magnetic fields that reach out to 10 to 15 feet or more on an iron block engine. Much less on an Aluminum block engine, maybe a couple feet.

These super sized magnetic fields we also see with the TPU system, are an indication of a successful Tempic field geometric expansion.
Voltages that suddenly quadruple and magnetic fields that take 8 jumps in volume.

As we start to compare all the different things which have worked, we can make a lot of comparisons in what is happening if we begin to quantify the fields.

Quantification of the Tempic field vibration path, is criticle to design of projects that will work to power off this field directly.
We can now calculate a field size before it is activated!

Is there some with curiosity enough to work with this energy form?

Or are we still attempting to open to belief, and not ready for the calculations that work?
This took me many years to realize how simple it really is, no calculus necessary! LOL!

DaveL

Quote from: DaveL on 2021.05.17, 20:40:01
I got my car to respond with its own gravitational center, while disconnecting from the earths field, and it got stronger with each layer of the field, until driving the car scared me, as I no longer feel the motion of the road at all.

I have made no efforts to run a car without gasoline, as that may be disasterous to start demonstrating. What you can realize from the field bubbles, is that there is ultimatly far more power there then gasoline produces. Also to take off in a car and not be thrown back in your seat is an incredible experience.

DaveL

@DaveL: Thank you for the many answers.

My impression seems to be right, "JOE CELL cars" or "vibration cars" run with the gasoline system (tank, carburetor, pipes for gasoline from gas tank to the carburetor, gasoline pump and ignition system and electronics, and of course the battery) still functioning.

This is fine with me, I just wanted to clarify this fact. And it is important that people do not rip the gasoline system out of the car (motorbike or lawn mower) when experimenting with JOE CELLs  (and also with "vibration").

Said in a short way: one leaves more or less everything in the car and just adds the JOE CELL and a connecting pipe from the JOE CELL to the carburetor. The JOE CELL is like an extension to the carburetor with the same pressure as in the carburetor.

May be, one also starts the car with gasoline (in the normal way) and then switches on the connection pipe from the JOE CELL to the carburetor (with some sort of valve)?

Greetings, Conrad

Quote from: conradelektro on 2021.05.18, 08:58:43
@DaveL: Thank you for the many answers.

My impression seems to be right, "JOE CELL cars" or "vibration cars" run with the gasoline system (tank, carburetor, pipes for gasoline from gas tank to the carburetor, gasoline pump and ignition system and electronics, and of course the battery) still functioning.

This is fine with me, I just wanted to clarify this fact. And it is important that people do not rip the gasoline system out of the car (motorbike or lawn mower) when experimenting with JOE CELLs  (and also with "vibration").

Said in a short way: one leaves more or less everything in the car and just adds the JOE CELL and a connecting pipe from the JOE CELL to the carburetor. The JOE CELL is like an extension to the carburetor with the same pressure as in the carburetor.

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Yes Bernie had set up a gasoline bubbler to act as the gas tank so the engine could be started up runing on gas fumes, with a valve to shut it off completely when the cell kicked in as the distributer was rotated back to 70 degrees before top dead center. The gasoline will not start the engine with this timming and it really starts to burn hot as you pull that distributor around to that setting. As the cell then takes the load with the H1 gas, which will pass through an aluminum tube, the manifolds that are about 400 degree almost instantly go cool to the touch, and the engine reves to a very high RPM with a lot of power smoothing out as the transfer to H1 happens. Now the upper flapper on the carb works backwards, closed reves the engine very high and opened slows the engine, gas pedal works backwards. If you get that running well then you can disconnect the gas bubbler and it will continue to run, proving it is no longer running on gasoline.

This is really just a set up for proof of concept. It would have to have technical mods to how the carb works. Bernie was working on that but I think it just took too much time to ever finish.

Then we have had actual psi people run cars on Joe Cell where the gas pedal worked normally.
They spent months with conscious work on the cell.
They get it to run with out gas are toodeling down the road, they start to think about something that is disturbing, and boom the engine stops working.
This is a vibration mode where the person is a conduit for the transition of frequencies necessary to make that work in that way.
I have no idea what the frequency transition is. The human intention with feel felt work can do some amazing stuff.

I have not done that last one myself, intentionally avioded it, because it is too far away from where people are now.
I have a couple friends i trust who have done this, what looks like magic using intention, it can work but is very erratic and very mystical.
In this mode they also had very strange events happen, that confounded even them.

It is my overall impression that the Grey alien gets in the Saucer and with his mind stimulates several frequency layers that once activated begin to self power and then off he goes. The hull is several thin layers of Bismuth and thicker layers of Magnesium.
Bismuth with 100 percent abundance and Magnesium, a reverse spin nuclear metal, with 10 percent abundance.

When you set up self sustaining fields, you no longer have to be the conduit for them. They continue to work even when you sleep.

Example: A person sets with a quartz crystal for a few hours and builds up a very nice and warm field around it using their palms.
They then take their mind off this field and it slowly dies away. The next morning they have to begin all over again, but as long as they are present it seems to work for them. This is a real effect with crystals, especially large ones and shows how a person can become the power source using their own energy.

Now DaveL is a little craftier, he starts in the same way building a field on the quartz crystals, then whips out a caliper and measures the frequency.
He likes that frequency so calculates a mediator off the background field and installs it permanently into the crystal, with a field around the crystal that now powers it off the 333000 hz field that is all around us all the time, only this field is much stronger as it hits all the segments in the crystal. DaveL then goes to bed and in the morning the field is still strong and has not dropped in power level even a little. He then whips out his caliper and calculates a take down frequency, applies that and the field vanishes instantly.

What is the difference? Dave has quantified the vibration field structure and realized how to set up fields that sustain themselves directly from it. While other meditators are still learning to rout all the vibration energy through themself using only intention.

Quartz Crystal Programming Menu (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Quartz/Menu.html)

This pretty much describes the various methods that I am aware of which have worked to run an engine from the Joe Cell.
If one is around this kind of energy sooner or later it will sneak up on you, and you will start to notice it when not trying to.
That has been the experience of some that I know, especially after working along side me.

Quartz Beam and Spherical Fields (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Quartz/Quartz_Beam.html) In this one is shown a method used on a large crystal to set up a field that will fill an entire room with vibration, which will penetrate right through all the mass of your body. And then a method to take the field back down. Two stainless steel calipers are used to accomplish this. This was done back in 2016.

Once all this kind of data is available, some young person is goiing to build an electronic frequency sequencer, that can use a scalar coil and it will build a set of layers on a vehicle in a few seconds, and off it will then fly.

The advanced ones will use the mind alone, and will outgrow the electronic equipment as they simply remember how it feels.

Telepathy Document (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Heal_The_World/Geometric-Path-To-Accurate-Telepathy.html)

DaveL

Quote from: DaveL on 2021.05.19, 05:17:11
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Now the upper flapper on the carb works backwards, closed reves the engine very high and opened slows the engine, gas pedal works backwards.

Then we have had actual psi people run cars on Joe Cell where the gas pedal worked normally.
They spent months with conscious work on the cell.
They get it to run with out gas are toodeling down the road, they start to think about something that is disturbing, and boom the engine stops working.
This is a vibration mode where the person is a conduit for the transition of frequencies necessary to make that work in that way.
I have no idea what the frequency transition is. The human intention with feel felt work can do some amazing stuff.

The advanced ones will use the mind alone, and will outgrow the electronic equipment as they simply remember how it feels.

DaveL

Thank you DaveL for all the information. A lot of things about the JOE CELL I understand much better after reading your posts.

But it looks like, the JOE CELL is not for me. I am not psi and I have not yet outgrown the electronic equipment in my car and in my home.

Keep up the good work!

Greetings, Conrad

There were a couple things I did not address.

If one studies how to contain hydrogen, they will realize it cannot be stored perfectly as a gas in any metals know to us.

The hydrogen atoms are so small they will escape right through a metal or plastic over time.
This is known in current science already. Storing hydrogen to release and burn it is not a good idea as so much is lost to leakage.
Even with the space shuttle they realized this and had to keep filling the tank all the way up to launch.

The Joe Cell is able to contain the H1 gas using a field that pulls inwards, with a small electrical charge on it.
An enclosed SS JC will develope a vacuum inside it.

If we place a rubber or platic tube between the feed line and the carby, that tube will expand with pressure pushing outwards.
In a plastic or PVC storage container, the H atoms go right through the long chain molecules, and all the hydrogen escapes leaving the larger Oxygen atoms, and they will easilly explode outwards with pressure that increases as the diamdgnetic H atoms are lost.

One should realize from this alone we can understand how the two atoms act differently.

A plastic cell that is used to fracture water, will become a high pressure system, and needs a pressure relief valve to operate safely.
A Joe Cell that produces H1 gas with containment of a small electric charge will create vacuum inside.
This can be shown in experiiment, when we have a JC generating more H1 atoms "manifesting mode".
This is the gas that can generate implosion.

O atoms are magnetic, H1 atoms are diamagnetic
SS is made from iron - magnetic, and Chromium - Diamagnetic
It also has Nickel and a few other things, but higher grade SS has more Chromium, and cancels out the magnetic ability of the composite metal better.
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Lastly how long can a Joe Cell last was a question, and brings up an almost unbelievable effect.

We have witnessed the scratches in Joe Cell tubes, with a good inflow field, heal the scratches or even small chips in the metal.
The nuclear field when raised up to larger field coherence is self organizing, and self sustaining.

This is an effect that most scientists should be very curious to witness.
Stepping into "power from the background field," we hit this wall of self sustaining energy versus entropic energy of the outer electron shell bonds.

This is really good proof of the concepts presented, and it is sad that most JC experimenters do not observe the interactions with this detail of scientific accuracy.

For me at this point it is not about running a car, it is about learning of an energy form that mankind is totally ignorant of.

DaveL

Space Time Dimensions

1 - Length
2 - Area
3 - Volume
4 - Tempic Field
5 - Electric Field
6 - Magnetic Field

With JC we want up to 5th dimension of space time, but do not hit 6th or coherent vibration field bubble will crash, and not grow.

Avoid high electron currents, causing magnetic fields to come up.
Avoid magnets, electric currents = magnets.

Cell starts out T E field structure.
Tempic / Electric

The tension on the water grows, and one can learn to feel this.
Some will apply only one application of voltage per day, and take their time learning how to connect with the cell.
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1st time voltage is applied - water tension weak [24 hours to feel it or 5 minuties if you can feel it]
2nd time voltage is applied - water tension increases
3rd time voltage is applied - tension jumps geometrically, cell starts producing H1 atoms - microscopic dimensions

The frequency that creates H1 atoms permiates all space. We do not have to inject that one.
Hydrogen gas is found everywhere, even out in space to some degree.
This will be the first sensitivity to be felt, and consciously connect one with the first level of physical manifestation, and how to feel it and recognize it.

However long it take a person to begin to recognize this feeling of vibration frequencies, is a personal development.
Listen to higher self and make this as spiritual as you need to to open the sensitivity.
Some will use sacred cerimony, to gain the focus, or narrow the focus to begin this process of "waking up."

This is a highly personal and spiritual experience, but not usually what people seeking the power want to hear about.
So we give them what they ask for and in the doing and feeling they hit on this wall where consciousness matters.

Only the person doing the work with the cell, can determine the length of the steps, and how solid their foundatation will become as they progress. Thus we honor both the spiritual progress and the technical, finding the place where they become one. And we are one with the cell, a totally spiritual perception!

Even if we start out 100 percent technical science, we all end up 100 percent spiritual in the true experience.
This overlap of the two, brings us all together, because it recognizes both as real.
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In martial arts, it is rare to find a person, who will take the steps very slowly, without care as to how long it may take.
Thus we start to give them belts of various color so they feel an advancement every few months at first, they get a feeling of achievment and it keeps them interested. While after the first 13 months they actually make a serious progress.

99 percent start out seeking the power first, same as the begining martial artist.
In the practice they begin to feel some new things they never realized about their own awareness.

By the time they are black belts, they are choosing what to devlop next and determining what excercises to progress themself, without a teacher present. They have been empowered to become their own teacher or guide. That is the level where many things we thought were impossible begin to become possible and we understand how it works.

The challenge of the teacher is to foster this love of a future result, until the student begins to see how the work pays off.
To voluntarily begin to make changes in ones self, is the greatest challenge we have.

As we have heard many times the cell is a mirror of ourself, but that will not be realized until we start to feel at one with the cell.

DaveL

Length, area, volume and time are not something in themselves but a measure of something. Smith made an error in his reasoning just as Einstein did in fabricating space/time.

It basically came about because there minds could not reconcile the differences between reality and science as calculations, equations or measures. Thus they created an artificial reality where the measure of something became something tangible when it is not... it's just a measure.

It's actually kind of comical because I have made clocks run slower. It's easy and any time a longitudinal wave field effects the quartz crystal in the clock the rate of oscillation changes thus time appears to change.

This error in reasoning is the reason none of them ever understood what a field actually is when it's not that difficult to understand.

Every star in the universe radiates a fundamental frequency with such short wavelengths it is almost undetectable like dark energy. We could call it the universal clock which all other oscillations are bound to. So when something moves through space at astronomical speeds time does not change, obviously, but the fundamental rate at which the matter oscillates does. Thus time appears to change when in fact only the standard of the measurement has.

So we should understand there is no such thing as space/time nor a tempic field. What has happened in reality is that the fundamental rate at which matter oscillates has changed.

Think about it, use your reasoning skills. Which sounds more plausible...
1) that time in the universe has become variable just because something strange happens when things move fast.
2) the fundamental frequency at which matter oscillates can change under the proper external influences.

Hell if what your suggesting is true then I should get a Nobel because I can make the rate of time change on a stationary clock...not change time but change the clock.

Regards
AC

It is the nature of gravity to bend light, where a light beam passes a strong gravitational center, the side close moves slower through space then the side of the beam further away. Thus the field from gravity is graduated in intensity, called a gradient, and light traveling by it at 90 degrees may be bent.

I have witnessed this in JC work. However it is known in astronomy.
Thus what we call space, whatever it is, has a field within it that light travels through, which can be operated on by a gravity field.

Earth Dynamo (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Light_Being/Earth_CFS.html)

Electric fields can polarize light, but cannot bend it's path through space.

If you are insdide the G Field you will judge what is straight by the path of the light.
If you are outside looking in you will see the curve.

I put a Joe Cell in my car for some weeks, 10 years back and the clock started to gain 5 to 10 minutes a month. Only recently the clock has started working normally again about 10 years later. Quartz crystals have a tendency to store vibration fields, especially if they are of a self sustaining form.

Quartz Programming and Clearing (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Quartz/Menu.html)

However the field bubble that was on my car from the JC, also effected me, because I sat inside it.
The boundary of this field reached out from the car several feet all the way around it.
The field altered how I experience inertia.

You can attempt to define the universe however you like, but I can now calculate it.
The structure of our reality is constructed on top of phenomena which can be altered at various levels of it's construction.
If we only see the surface level, then we will be blind to the foundations of how it all works.

DaveL

In science, we attempt to see patterns in the universe, that are repeatable, and can be calculated accurately.
Many who play with things like JC and Orgonite are more interested in how it makes them "feel," or changes their perception.
They most often enjoy the mystery and do not want to mess with math and geometry.

Tesla calculated his T wave traveled pi/2 times C, faster then light though the mass of the earth itself.
He recorded this in a patent of his elevated ball against a ground, with a pancake coil and cap between them.

We can show why this is actually true.

A sine wave traveling though space moves forwards at C velocity but inside it, it is also moving back and forth at 90 degrees to it's path, and we can show this path is longer, then a wave that oscillated only front to back of it's straight path.

An EM wave travels out around the surface an atom, but a mass vibration comming from the nuclear center passes straight through the atom. The path is 2/pi shorter distance. These two kinds of waves are geometrically different, but the actual velocity is pi/2 x C for both waves in space, they just move differently.

Thus it is not hard to see, Teslas wave function as we start to use vibration tools and devices, is a different kind of energy.

If we model the fabric of space as the head of a drum under tension, we note that as a sine wave passes over it, the outer edges of the wave stretch the drums head tighter, and that is why it springs back. A sine wave at any frequency will add pi/2 to the length of the stretch from its flat rest state.

If we now begin to set up many waves to converge on the center of the drum head each one will add a pi/2 stretch and the drum head will get tighter and tighter as we continue to add more frequencies.

Similarly if we set up a convergent area of space where we pass many frequencies through one center point, the field fabric of space will increase in tension level by a pi/2 function for each one we add.
In this area of space with increased tension of the field fabric, the laws of physics will begin to change.

Or in the case of atoms, creation begins. Creation in the field fabric of the universe begins with convergent vibration fields in that background medium.

It is thus important to learn the difference between the two words, convergent, and divergent, when reading Wilbert Smith, however the mental model appears to work with calculations of the density of space, and two of the most basic wave forms that can pass through it at c velocity and at pi/2 x c velocity. And to understand the difference between EM waves that do not penetrate the atoms to the nuclear center, and Mass vibration waves that do pass through the nuclear center of the atom.

Vibration energy from a Joe Cell can set up a field bubble that causes your clock to run at a different speed, but also begins to change the physics of the space the field bubble fills. as well as how the physical body responds to motion and inertia.

As this effect is amplified in layers we begin to understand how a Saucer craft can make a 90 degree turns at high velocity, and the people inside are not smashed aginst the inner wall of the craft.
These effects cannot be explained by manipulations of EM, in our current public taught science.
They are explained in vibration effects as a field bubble in the fabric of space. And since frequency of that vibration is a criticle aspect of coupling energy flows, Space/Time is a good way to describe or label it. Although Smith would label it the Field Fabric.

No matter the words we use to describe it and to calculate it, the phenomena remains very real to everyone experiencing and witnessing it.

If we reduce the inertia of a body, it takes far less power to move it down the road up and down hills etc.

DaveL

When we speak of mass moving through space and resisting a change of velocity, which is called inertia, we are speaking of the nuclear center of the atom where the mass is located, called the Isotope. We are not speaking of the area between Proton layer and Electron layers, as we already know EM fields can travel through space at c velocities with no problem.

Inertia is a coupling between the nuclear mass of Protons and Neutrons that have weight, and the background field fabric they must travel through.
As we add more vibration to an atoms mass, the velocity of it's motions increases, but the atom is still stationary to us.
Thus we can have first hand experience with relativistic phenomena using stationary objects, that have accelerated mass vibration inside them.

It should become "self evident" where we have to focus to begin changing the normal laws of gravity as it has been defined for us with mass vibration that is not being altered.

We can accelerate the velocity of the mass of an object towards light velocity, without having to move the object through space as a rocket or car moves.

This is a much deeper study then EM phenomena can ever define, because the EM phenomena rides on top of the atom.

In JC work, in the first one Joe made he placed a conical top on the cell, because he felt the energy cones off the top of the tubes.
Take a finger over the top of a charged cell, and raise it slowly, you will discover nodes of high vibration in the air at the tip of these cones that come down and hit each tube.When we find a conical structure in the field fabric, we recognize this is the pattern of an Isotope which has a mass or weight.

DaveL

Now that we understand we are manipulating nuclear mass of the atoms in vibration devices, we can start to learn how they operate differently then EM operates.

The nuclear mass vibration operates with straight lines, cones, platonic pattern, and such, and vibration does not just change as an analoge system changes. Vibration couples across octaves and ratios of frequency.

Vibration follows laws of a fractal nature.
With vibration fractals we begin to be able to locate metrics in the field fabric that seem to be very fixed values that never change.
We move the measurement into a magnetic field and it's resonance length does not change.
We set it near a high voltage and it's measurement does not change.

Fractal vibration quantums in the background field lie underneath the EM fields that ride on top of them, and so when we mess with mass vibration we alter the physics of the matter entirely. When we play with EM radio frequency coils, just bringing a hand near the coil may change the resonance frequency. Not so with mass vibration frequencies. The hand will pass through these fields and feel them but it will not change the geometry or the shape of the fields at all.

It would seem we can conclude that as a field bubble around a saucer craft becomes more dense with frequencies, the matter becomes lighter, moves faster with less power, and reduces inertia. This is in fact what we can also observe in Joe Cell work as we couple the frequency of the cell into the entire car frames mass and engine mass using simple distance tuning.

The cell is set on the passengers side floor, insulated from the floor, and one wire goes from the inside tube to the frame along under the dash and we begin to slide that wire along until we get 1000 points of light all over the car frame. That is, now if you touch the car anywhere you may see light inside your head with eyes closed with a really strong cell.

Mass vibration will couple through the nuclear center of all the atoms inside the field, and it moves freely through metals.
The more mass in motion the more power the field has.

Some have noted that wool tends to decouple the energy propagation and can act as a shield to some degree.

Now if we want to start measuring this energy form we can use SS calipers and scalar coils.
Much study has already been done on this over the past decades but few understand it.

A Fractal Matrix (http://www.resonantfractals.org/FractalMatrix/Fractal_Matrix.html)

This document shows why people of meditation and chi energy flows like to play with this form of energy.

DaveL

NMR science deals with magnetic field frequencies and the resultant very weak RF frequencies that are generated in the magnetic field flips of the Isotopes. Nuclear Magnetic Resonance.

NVR deals with the mass vibration frequencies that can generate very large and powerfull vibration field bubbles that can alter how mass operates against the background field. Nuclear Vibration Resonance.

For a preview of how this works, one can obtain some Bismuth and then set your SS calipers to a mass resonance frequency and bring it around or into contact with the Bismuth and feel what happens both in the calipers and around the entrie bismuth piece.

Bismuth (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Mass%20Vibration%20Science/Bismuth.html)

The data given is in mm measurement, and these vibrations are stronger because Bismuth has a higher mass then other stable metals.
More mass in vibration more power.

A great introduction to feeling this energy form.

DaveL

You can do similar with a glass of water, and create a pressure field around the water using a SS caliper at specific distance out from the center of mass of the water.

I already posted that chart.

This one may feel more subtle as the weight of water is less then Bismuth.

SS caliper set to 12.64 mm
Aim it at the center of the water height in the glass and move it in and out until you feel the water bonds go into a state of tension.

In Europe where metric tubes are used the caliper setting would be 10.11 mm

Gif attached with frequency chart.

A scalar coil can do this also using khz = mm to set the F gen frequency.

DaveL

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2021.05.23, 19:16:37
I can make the rate of time change on a stationary clock...not change time but change the clock.

Regards
AC

My posts here are intended to inspire the seeking of education, not intended to offend the personality of anyone.
You can be responsible for your own belief systems, I only share what I know has worked. I do not speculate anymore.

So what happens if you change the clock rate of your body, or an entire car?
If you define time as the observance of your body clock, then kissing may slow it way down, and touching a hot stove may speed it way up.
Our time related to us, is a function of the speed of our conscious clock rate, and is a function of where we place our awareness, and how intensly we focus. This cannot be measured externally, but it does show a person cannot guage the flow rate of time on feel felt resoning as it is not a stable method to use. When one is in an accident and being hurled through the air seconds can seem like hours.

The concept that space itself has energy in its volume, and that as we manifest matter from space the energy of the same collective volume is equiivalent to the empty space volume, allows us to find a mathematics that seems to work in experiment.
If it works in experiment then we find value in the equations.

The energy can be expressed as three different kinds of field force which become directional in geometric definable ways.
We can set and play with magnets and determine how magnetic field operates with respect to time.
We can play with capacitors and resistors and determine how electric field operates with respect to time.
We can connect capacitors to coils and study how electric field and magnetic fields can exchange energy bouncing back and forth between them at some frequency, again respecting time.

With EM resonance, each time the energy bounces between the magnetic field and the electric field, we have losses.
This is very simple to observe, and there are no secrets here.
This is not a mystery at all and there is no free energy in the current science of electronics. We always have to put power into the circuit from some outside source to keep it working. We have to put more power in then we can extract, due to copper losses.

Now according to physics there is more energy in a higher frequency wave, but in power circuits we need low frequency energy.
It becomes aparent that if we can tap into high frequency energy and convert it directly to low frequency waves, we can extract power very easilly.
We can do this using the octave method. By knowing the geometry of each of the field forces.
This technique has not been taught in current electronics training. A person can study a circuit and have no understanding of how it works, where there is a large frequency shift happening between the components.

How many ways can we find to put energy into a circuit externally, and what are the Sources of this energy?
Then we need to control how much comes in.

In a power supply we have a circuit that regulates either voltage to be constant, or current to be constant with respect to time.
In a generator we have a governer to regulate the RPM. Reveloutions per minute, cycles per second....etc.
As we draw power these circuits respond and either open up or close down to maintain the field of the output EM levels constant as there is a load applied.

How does nature do this? The atom responds to external force by compensating with the pressure against the outer electron shells, to self correct the size and frequency of that atom. The atom has no governer or regulating power supply inside it, it has only the three field forces in a dance that is locked into place, and extracts its energy from the background field to sustain itself.

Energy then can be extracted by manipulation of atoms, and as they self correct we can take some of that energy away and use it to power a circuit.
This does not have to be found with tweaking or trial and error if we learn more about the atom and how it uses the three field forces to set up self sustaining locking fields. We shoulld not have the mentality of burning up atoms for fuel, or blowing them apart, when they already have this power to self correct.

So what is this thrid field force, that electronics cannot define or manipulate with calculations that consistently work?
A force that can adjust the elelctron shells back to their stable dimensions over and over, no matter what we throw at the atom short of a nuclear explosion? The atom recovers both its frequency and shape no matter how many times we beat on it with a hammer, or hit it with an electron flow.

Early on physics discovered no amount of EM energy could break the nuclear bond, they had to pack TNT in a sphere and explode it inwards to make this happen. The strong froce is 137 time stronger then EM fields can become.

So when we set back and see how atoms work, it becomes "self evident" they are the correct mental model to hand us free energy.
Realizing this, we are forced to now begin to learn what mankind already knows about them over the last couple centuries.
Here is where we either choose to remain lazy and ignorant, or decide to become educated as to how they operate.

A field force that can hold electrons and proton at distances so the electric field cannot discharge them, using no insulators, must exert pressure zones in space, without shorting out the electric charge between them. It must be able to regenerate the electric field as outside influences effect it.
It must be able to respond to distortions of the fields, and flare up to correct them.

With high frequency pulsing of very sharp square waves we realize that the energy that flares up to correct the atoms, can be harnessed as a voltage spike of very short time duration. The main energy of this reaction will be captured in a coil 90 degrees to the incident coil as high frequencies take the E field path of the electron shell spin. The atom uses far more energy to self correct in that instant of time where things go way out of stable parameters... John Bidini worked to capture this energy and showed free energy is possible.

However from our NMR science we do know what happens on the Nulear level and on the Electron shell level when this division of the fields happens.
When two magnetic fields move into a 90 degree alignment both are released from the othes influence for the time they stay in this configuration.

The electron shell becomes a generator of Ghz frequency EM, and the Proton shell becomes a generator of Mhz frequency EM and the two radiate outwards at 90 degrees to one another creating a frequency split between them and radiating in two different directions.
They are both spinning at 90 degrees to one another and the spin of each no longer cancels, as they both spin in opposing direction.
With a sharp square wave we may get a few microseconds of this disconnect before the strong force pulls them back into place, causing a spin alignment so they again fight one another and cancel internally to the atom, similar to how a capacitor works.

Pulsing machines have been built that can gain outside energy from the copper of the wire when using pulsing methods, but the frequencies are a problem, especially if you do not know what they are or how they change in a different dimension of wire length.
Because the protons positive charge is coupled into the spin of the mass of the nuclear bundle, and in copper this field become coherent on the wire mass also, then changing the mass of the wire changes the frequency that the Protons Electric field can turn it's spin.
As well in copper wire, the electron field is coherent, all the way down it, it will be trying to maintain one voltage.
One voltage and one mass spin direction across the entire wire. Now the frequency of Proton spin rotation changes, as does the electrical fields resonance governing its rate of changing its spin direction. Where the NMR trace of a length of copper wire comes down to 5khz, we discover a ringing wave that has more energy then the pulse that generates it.

If we trim the wire to resonate up this ringing wave, we get a strong coupling at 90 degrees to the wire loop. In the TPU we trim the copper loop to peak out on the 5khz ringing wave form which is the coppers nuclear energy trying to restablize all its atoms operating as one larger atom.

The pressure fields then generated on this wire loop can explode the copper wire at equal distance spacing, exposing the fractal nature of pressures generated from the nuclear field attempting to gain control of the electron shells spikes.
The TPU was made with two different exact dimensions of the copper wire loop that generates this tempic field pulse in the copper when the electron shell spins off to a 90 degree alignment from the nuclear spin center of the copper mass.

The TPU if engineered correctly pulls energy through the copper atoms and this adds energy to the circuit at 60 hz ac, and when you hold the device you can feel the mass vibrating. There are no moving parts, you are feeling directly a coherent mass vibration at 120 hz on each side of the 60 hz wave where the tension increases. This is mass into velocity describbed by David Hammel. The device has low frequency mass vibration that can deliver power to a copper wire circuit. The down side with that device is that it typically overheats within about 1/2 hour of use.

Now to explore this interesting new phenomena of mass vibrating to increase the power of a device or even to fully power a device, the Joe Cell comes directly into focus, as it has powered an engine with many horsepower, releasing more energy then the gasoline has in it, plus the manifolds on the engine go cool.

The cell has a meager voltage on it between the tubes that never goes away, and yet that field has relatively no power, we can discharge it between two tubes and as long as the tubes are wet it will pop right back when the short is removed to exactly the same voltage with respect to the other tubes as though a force is present in the air between them. This was one of the requirements we needed to explain the atoms ability to restore it's ellectron shells. The power of the Joe Cell is from a coherent mass vibration field not from the meager electrical charge. The frequency however is rather high.

We stick the cell on the floor of the passenger seat, tune it to the car frame and discover that now at specific RPM ranges of the engine we get a notable increase in forwards power of the car as it accelerates. This mass vibration energy is a lot of fun to play with on long road trips.

Once we begin to identify the source of mass vibration energy, and see how we can amplify it usiing greater mass, or tapping into larger volumes of space with field bubbles, we have set out on a new path to energy production, that is how nature does it at atomic dimensions.
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All these different devices, are tapping into an energy system that is basically unknown to most people, and 1000 people are comming up with 1000 different theories on how it works and what it is, but they are all connected when we discover the truth of the source of the energy.

Especially with the Joe Cell effects one can never explain it with discussion of EM power.
The laws of mass vibration explain nearly all of them, and the energy works the same across all of them.

Once you get it working and discover it can be calculated you are off into a new level of exploration.

DaveL

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2021.05.23, 19:16:37
Length, area, volume and time are not something in themselves but a measure of something. Smith made an error in his reasoning just as Einstein did in fabricating space/time.

Regards
AC

Here in lies a challenge to begin to quantify these measurements, and begin to relate them to one another, showing there is a link between the phenomena that is measurable as space, time, and frequency.

We have a copper wire cut to 1 meter in space, we can calculate its EM resonance by formula (C/Length in meters)*velocity factor/2 = EM resonance frequency as a radiating antenna.

What is a meter in space, that we can now so accurately calibrate this to an EM resonant frequency in wire?

Now if we put pvc insulation on the wire, the velocity factor drops to around 60 percent C velocity.
The wavelength in the wire changes, but when it hits the space and begins to radiate, it still has the same frequency and wavelength in space traveling at C velocity.

Is a "meter" just some arbitrary measurement of length? Or can it be used relative to frequency of an RF wave, and why does it comes out so perfectly every time? It would seem that one meter with respect to radio waves is a metric we can use to define the wavelengths of an entrie band of RF frequencies. We have now taken a Radio wave frequency and cut up space into meters to form a working system of communications around the planet.

An RF frequency of 300,000,000 hz will have one wavelength every 1 meter. A dipole at .5 meters can radiate this across town.

Have we not now set up a gauge between space, and time, by observing light velocity, and frequency?
Why does it seem to come out so close to perfect , with all the zeros in both values if they are just some arbitrary values?
Why does the wavelength drop so low in a copper wire with a dielectric wraped around it?
Why do these values never change?

You gotta wonder.

The relation between space and time is paramount to calculation of field forces that operate through space.

DaveL

Space Time EM and Mass vibration

As in the last example we found a relationship between space and Frequency / wavelength in an EM resonant antenna which will couple energy into the field fabric at the point of 377 ohms impedence on the dipoles length. This energy is governed by the speed of light traveling through space, the Field Fabric.

This works differently with mass vibration, and the equation is much different, showing how it becomes a source of power.

EM wavelength = C / Frequency

Mass vibration segment length in khz = mm of distance in space.  [Direct experiemnt implanting Isotope frequencies into a scalar coil and measuring the field reach with a caliper.

There is no recpricol relationship and the higher the frequency the longer the field reach distance, reversed of RF radiation systems which are a load.

Mass vibration is not a load it is an energy source like the water hight in a dam.
However there is still a ralationship between frequency and distance in space and it magically seems to again come out almost too perfect to believe.

mm = khz

So what is a meter, cm, mm, that they came up with, which is not so much a random measurement but is related so well to how fields of energy work, we can use such formulas to manipulate it and predict the dimensions of specific field forces?

Understanding of what a field is may change a bit, as we study how it works in practice, and keep track with accurate experiments to create a science that is then predicitible.

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A person who loves crystals may set down and charge up a crystal using palms creating a field around it they can feel for some distance outwards.
We can then measure this fields fractal structure using a SS caiper and hand them a frequency.

They can then use a scalar coil and F - gen to charge it up next time instantly.
Further then this now, having the correct calculations and quantification of the field, we can set up a secondary frequency of pi/2 and the field will never come down until we take it back down using a 1/9x ratio frequency.

We can thus begin to build these vibration feilds by design, giving instant results, exactly as we have been doing with EM fields for a couple generations or more now.

DaveL

With the quantification of mass vibration field structures comes a new science of field bubbles we can learn to set up that will self power, and to take them back down as required.

They carry the power of mass vibration, to move or become motive power, but also with this comes ability to manipulate inertia of the mass inside the field bubble, as experienced with JC's in cars at a small scale.

Multiple people experimenting with Joe Cells can share different frequency sets, or imprints, that will give different responses.

We can create data [spreadsheets] of frequency sets calculated of atomic levels of vibration energy.
At this point the cell will become the science that it deserves to be recognized as.

The side effect is the ability to feel a field structure and then emulate it using your own brain mass, which will come with exposure to these fields.
This is the part that seems to scare people or set them into their mystery mode of magic, angels and demons.

This is a normal progression of every new kind of energy mankind has discovered, in the time period between playing with it, and achieving comprehension of how it works as a science.

There are 3 field forces, come to learn about all three.

DaveL

DaveL

To be honest I'm not feeling the love...

Any theory diverging into more and more complexity must be flawed because all true understanding must converge upon a singular concept which is self-evident. Obviously were not quite there and when the concept involves repetition versus evolution the result is often obvious.

I get it, it's cool, however it will never be you nor your own until you own it from your perspective versus others...

Otherwise the words become hollow and this feels like a repetitious dialog which is not your own. Obviously this is not you which begs the question... what do you actually think about all this?.

Regards
AC

Well
I have recently heard of a bubble ,maybe not exactly what you write of here Dave, however it sure seems Quite similar.
In the case I mention...Some were trying to monetize what a man was trying to share !

I will revisit that.... find out what happened...
A working device or method which can be shown or replicated is a huge benefit to understanding ,
Yes perhaps a profoundly obvious comment, but somehow here it seems appropriate.

Thanks Dave

Respectfully
Chet
Ps

Hmm
I see text as written here is quite modified from my original post prior to submitting
Same words but all mishmoshed  ?

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2021.05.26, 05:35:06
DaveL

To be honest I'm not feeling the love...

Any theory diverging into more and more complexity must be flawed because all true understanding must converge upon a singular concept which is self-evident. Obviously were not quite there and when the concept involves repetition versus evolution the result is often obvious.

I get it, it's cool, however it will never be you nor your own until you own it from your perspective versus others...

Otherwise the words become hollow and this feels like a repetitious dialog which is not your own. Obviously this is not you which begs the question... what do you actually think about all this?.

Regards
AC

As a scientist seeking understanding of what we see in our skies quite often, I resisted every step of this new knowledge, I did not want my foundations of reality to change any more then you do.

We love to see ourself outside the experiment, as if we are immuned to it's effects and have power over it.

When we start warping time and space, we discover we are now inside our own experiment, and having to deal with the distortions.
The ego mind in our physical head gets demoted severly, and the humble man must accept we have to begin to build a new mental model of what our reality is. In the end, after all the confusion has cleared, it is far more simple then our present beliefs.

I did not come here to stroke ones emotions, and inspire them with words of Love and Light. In my own mind that was a prerequisite to having a clear mental process. Emotional healing is very much necessary when facing the unknown and dealing with the fear. Fear is resolved in Knowing Truth.

3 field forces are all there are, at various dimensions of size, how much more basic can that be? I can list a hundred names current science has split them into at various sizes.

We are working backwards to the original force that powers everything, there is only one.

The yin the yang and the one powers the 10,000 things. Teaching of the TAO.

We now even know the ratio between the two forces, that set up the resonance that exists underneath all matter.
The infinite dance through time of Electron and Proton in a dance that cannot cancel itself, but cannot escape the other.
Electron Proton Ratio (http://www.resonantfractals.org/EP_Ratio/EP_Ratio.html)

E/P ratio is the very foundation of all the worlds of matter.
When one feels it, it is recognized as an old home feeling of familiar Love. The ratio is rather mesmerizing to experience.

We can combine both our spiritual reality with our science, and the outcome will fill both needs in us, with One Truth, which explains both.
To realize the universe hands us, so much ability to change ourself and our world, to operate in IT's level of wisdom.

I assure you all, this science is not void of love, the universe Loves us all from it's very depths! Nothing is witheld or hidden.
The personal experience of the frequencies, explain all this, and that is why so many go the rout of Orgone creations, and do not want a cold science in that space.

This is now the social conflict we have facing us, to bring science back into a personal "feel felt" experience.
When this happens the motivations to progress engage, because we are working with a field that not only does work but changes our very consciousness, towards the sacredness of all life forms. When one begins to have an undertading of what conscious is, manifest into this universe, the respect of creation is overwhelming. We also begin to feel that "life force" in animals and all other living creatures. This energy changes us.

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Putting this sort of information up front tends to turn away men of hard core science. They have been trained to separate the science from the heart.

When we begin to feel the science personally, it puts the heart back into the science.

This is probably the most important part of this personal development, but the understanding of a chi master comes with this and can be amplifed many times over by adding the science part.

The Spiritual among us right now are asking to take their power back. Do they even realize what that statement means?

It means that now that they have developed a heart having new wisdom, they are ready to control more power in the physical realm.
Spirit is handing them what they have asked for. It uses me as a pawn, as it uses everyone, as it used Wilbert Smith, and many others, Max Plank, Walter Russell, etc....
These men all had a higher ethical belief system, ignored by todays cold science, as if it mattered not.

Joe of Joe Cell, if you Love the experiment and look for God in it, then it will work!

This is a very humble approach, and it will lead to respect for all others who are present here, as they are all conscious beings trying different paths in the physical.

I did write a few documents based on how we change as these things open up, and how to start operating differently when you begin to experience telepathy that is accurate, as a side effect of the coherent spherical field bubble on our mind. [Halo in past times.] The s field on an atom.

Ethics (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Mass%20Vibration%20Science/Ethics.html)
Organizational Unity Concept (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Organization.htm)

I tend to leave the Spiritual Healing work to others who have that personal directive, but there are now many in the field assisting many to begin waking up, and doing the emotional clearing work with themselves.

Joe Cell can become a very spiritual endeavor, working directly with the universe and recieving personal comprehensions as it progresses.
Some have done it expressly for health and healing effects.

DaveL

Love,

I am glad you mentioned the Love, because in my life there have been so many experiences of Spirit working with me and others, it is overwhelming looking back. I am truly humbled in what was given, from finding a Reiki teacher that was the real thing, to finding an emotional healer who was also the real thing, in a world with so many attempting to be these things, yet still not quite there, still working on themselves to get there.

In the martial arts I was introduced to the spherical awareness field, and we learned to expand it's dimensions, to feel everyting in an entire room, all the life forms present and the intentions of each one, and recieve a vector direction to each one. After 13 months almost every student could spar with a blindfold better then with eyes. The s field brings in everything all at once, with far more information then words could ever hand one, and this comes in instantly. We do not use imagination at all, the field is real and it is fully accurate when opened to.

This is the spherical sensory field one uses when they leave the physical body, and I had the advantage of integrating it into the physical mind from the martial arts training. My instructor was a wiry thin man, and on first seeing him at a demonstration, he leaped back through the air landing on one foot with perfect balance and delivering a kick, a block and an elbow strike almost simultaneously, with the upmost grace of an animal, and the calm of a monk. When I spared with him he never missed anything even from behind without turning his head.

He was a great inspiriation to me, in those times of trying to understand. Am I a consciousness that springs from and lives only inside the head, or am I a consciousness that enters this physical body to see what an amazing experience it is to be physical?
That question was finally answered for me one year in Hawaii, reading a book on astral travel and techniques designed to open one to remembering it.

I was finally able to experience this, looking down on my body in bed and hearing it breathing some feet below me.
The first time a shot of fear pulled me back in, but then I released my arm, streteched it up and was feeing the celieing, while the rest of my body was still laying on the bed.

Over time one begins to loose the fear of death, and will be able to do more intense experiements with the background field.
Experiments that might scare a person who has no clue they are not limited by the sze of the physical body as to what they can sense and even now measure.

I would never be happy in founding a relgion of blind followers that cannot do the same, or at least learn to understand they are all equals, to me, and to the ones that came before us, labeled as spiritual masters, or Clergy, or Guides, or whatever spiritual path we have embraced in so many past life times. 5 Saints of the Catholic Church could levitate!

In the higher realms, which are very real, we are all equals in the Spirit, but we all share the same realities of the Universe, and these are the laws we cannot change. True science is the study of these laws of the Universe, which we are all humbled by, and must submit to.

With the development of the s field on the physical brain, at the center of mass of the brain, we can commune with the Universe through IT's center of mass and IT's outer boundary layer. This would appear to be the limits of our personal conscious field expansion. Mathematics of fractals proves the Universe has a finite size, as does everyting inside it, as Niseem Harriman states it has a finite number of Protons of which he calculated that number.

This is the main difference between science and spiritual perception, and both deliver information that is accurate and necessary to achieve understanding.

Science - we are all individual and must observe that which is outside of us to develop understanding

Spiritual - From the outer boudary of the universe, we expereince all things are inside us, and a part of us

These are both true, because of the fractal nature of the dimensions and how conscious fields work.

As with a magnet, the field grows in size as we add more iron mass, it is still one field with two poles and one blotch wall, one thing.

The consciousness we experience is the same, and as we devleop a larger field coherence of vibration our field contains much more information, and it is still one part of us.

The concept that we can expand our own consciousness has been around for a long time, but to set this up using frequencies, geometry, and mathematics, may be disturbing to some. It should not be, it is natural.

DaveL

If invoking the higher realms or the spherical consciousness or the pink unicorn were enough to obtain real knowledge capable of bringing us energy or any technology, even the fools would be great inventors.

I thought we were on a scientific and technical experimental research forum, and here we are again with the most stupid religious/spiritual propaganda.

But where in this world can one be safe?

F6,

What is it that you feel the need to be "safe" from?

Would you impose Limits on where Science should be looking for answers?

I wonder if you truly know where the technology we presently exploit and enjoy came from?

Could it be that we were shown what is possible and given assistance in making it a reality?

Quote from: F6FLT on 2021.06.01, 15:06:55
If invoking the higher realms or the spherical consciousness or the pink unicorn were enough to obtain real knowledge capable of bringing us energy or any technology, even the fools would be great inventors.

I thought we were on a scientific and technical experimental research forum, and here we are again with the most stupid religious/spiritual propaganda.

You are quite right and I thought our esteemed moderators were keeping on top of the lunatic fringe. I would ask them to step in or this thread will go down the tubes like the others.

Quote from: Paul-R on 2021.06.03, 09:06:12
You are quite right and I thought our esteemed moderators were keeping on top of the lunatic fringe. I would ask them to step in or this thread will go down the tubes like the others.

while I may roll my eyes at some views in this thread it is about a device that is worthy of investigation. Let's not censor because what some may consider lunatic others may find worthy of debunking with experimentation. 'Knowing the secrets' without published instructions of how to build a device is just noise though.

Quote from: Paul-R
You are quite right and I thought our esteemed moderators were keeping on top of the lunatic fringe.

Sounds rather a harsh judgment.

And what 'fringe' might you be speaking from?

Would you dismiss the Metaphysical or the Paranormal from the areas of legitimate inquiry?

Quote from: muDped on 2021.06.04, 02:52:39

And what 'fringe' might you be speaking from?

You, et alia.

Quote from: JimBoot on 2021.06.03, 12:32:38
while I may roll my eyes at some views in this thread it is about a device that is worthy of investigation. Let's not censor because what some may consider lunatic others may find worthy of debunking with experimentation. 'Knowing the secrets' without published instructions of how to build a device is just noise though.

I agree, Jim, but if one is to be taken seriously, it pays simply to leave out the alien stuff unless it can be proved with generally accepted evidence. It is useful to see how Patrick handles the matter in his chapter 9.

On the subject of aliens, it is interesting to note that a major announcement is due to be issued by the DOD in 2 - 3 weeks.

Paul,

Your tendency to denigrate those with whom you disagree is well established on this forum.

One must wonder why you have so little tolerance and must insist on promulgating a myopic concept of inquiry?

Must everyone agree with your ideology?

There is much more to Energy and Knowledge than exists within our physical "visible to the eye" reality.

By the way, the "Alien" deception will be exposed in the not too distant future.  They are real but not exactly what they are thought to be.

A certain segment of DOD has long term involvement.  Deep Underground.  In the UK too.

Quote from: muDped on 2021.06.04, 22:30:03
Paul,

Your tendency to denigrate those with whom you disagree is well established on this forum.

One must wonder why you have so little tolerance and must insist on promulgating a myopic concept of inquiry?

Must everyone agree with your ideology?

Please remember that it was the moderators who closed down those daft threads.

Quote from: Paul-R on 2021.06.04, 23:10:58
Please remember that it was the moderators who closed down those daft threads.

those threads were OT this is not. I can't see how censoring this topic helps our aims.

Quote from: Paul-R on 2021.06.04, 09:41:13
I agree, Jim, but if one is to be taken seriously, it pays simply to leave out the alien stuff unless it can be proved with generally accepted evidence. It is useful to see how Patrick handles the matter in his chapter 9.

On the subject of aliens, it is interesting to note that a major announcement is due to be issued by the DOD in 2 - 3 weeks.

I would not expect too much from this report or announcement. To suspect, that UFOs are of alien origin, will stay a fringe topic.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/pentagon-ufo-report-what-we-know.html

On June 3, the New York Times reported that senior administration officials who were briefed on the UAP report had found no evidence that the objects seen by Navy pilots over the past decade are not of this Earth. Nevertheless, the Times states intelligence officials "still cannot explain the unusual movements that have mystified scientists and the military."

Greetings, Conrad

Quote from: JimBoot on 2021.06.04, 23:47:19
those threads were OT this is not. I can't see how censoring this topic helps our aims.

As I see it, it doesn't help to make us and the site look like a bunch of head cases.

I dunno from your posts and others people can see the diversity of opinions. I'm not a religious person nor a a Richard Dawkins fanboy. The reality is though Joe was a "happy clapper" as we used to say down here. Just because I don't understand what some publish I don't want to shut it down but those who make claims should substantiate them with experimental proofs.

Quote from: Paul-R
As I see it, it doesn't help to make us and the site look like a bunch of head cases.

Since the Free Energy and Overunity Community has traditionally been interested in the "invisible" connection to the Paranormal or the Metaphysical, who would hold such an opinion?

It is nearly a unanimous belief that Overunity or Free Energy cannot be explained by conventional knowledge;  that there must be an "invisible" connection to something we do not yet comprehend.

Who can say that the "Head Cases" as you call them are not on the right track?

What is it that you seem to find so alarming about what they have to say?

Quote from: JimBoot on 2021.06.05, 13:46:32
... but those who make claims should substantiate them ...

That is all I am asking for.

Quote from: muDped on 2021.06.05, 22:58:05

It is nearly a unanimous belief that Overunity or Free Energy cannot be explained by conventional knowledge.

It may be your view. Many others lean towards quantum foam, Hal Puthoff, and so on.

Quote from: Paul-R
It may be your view. Many others lean towards quantum foam, Hal Puthoff, and so on.

Yes, there are several Theoreticals and Hypotheses which have been discussed and promulgated.

None have yet been proved to be Reality.

We are all still looking for answers in areas thought by some to be "La La Land" such as the Paranormal, the Supernatural and the Metaphysical.

Unfortunately, the highly classified and heavily compartmentalized Black Projects are decades ahead of what Conventional Science has discovered.

Then there is Cern itself.  Study it well.

CERN: WE ARE CONFIDENT

WHAT IS CERN

10 mind-blowing facts about the CERN Large Collider

CERN: Portals in the Sky and Other High Strangeness

CERN Physicist: We Have Done Something Evil


In many, many ways Scientific Research is still in its Infancy.

Quote from: muDped on 2021.06.06, 22:44:11

We are all still looking for answers in areas thought by some to be "La La Land" such as the Paranormal, the Supernatural and the Metaphysical.

...and maybe this is why, thirty or more years on, there has not been a device which could light a pygmy bulb. Maybe connections to "spherical consciousness" and "aliens of the 7th Dan" will enable a Joe Cell to light  such a lamp.

Let's see it happen.

Paul, it has happened and more.

You just haven't seen it yet.

It is coming.

mudped

QuoteYes, there are several Theoreticals and Hypotheses which have been discussed and promulgated.
None have yet been proved to be Reality.
We are all still looking for answers in areas thought by some to be "La La Land" such as the Paranormal, the Supernatural and the Metaphysical.

While I tend to disagree on many philosophical and scientific views I cannot say your incorrect...

I understand the scientific point of view however there is also the fact that I can bend some coat hanger wires and locate any wire/pipe etc. within the ground with near 100% accuracy. I have read all the literature and reviewed the science and done as much due diligence as one person can and despite all my scientific objections dowsing still works in reality.

Thus there must be more to the nature of our reality than most would care to admit I just cannot determine how much more there is. What I can say is that when we lower ourselves to the most primitive and superficial view point we lose something along the way. Call it humanity, some might refer to it as spirituality but no matter the term materialism is a losing and fleeting proposition.

So while the engineer/scientist in me implies one thing the naturalist/inventor implies another. It's really messed up because this free energy thing seems like kind of a joke to me. It's like this thing staring everyone in the face they refuse to admit could be true because of there inherent materialism. This stuff we see on the surface we know is not real because everything beneath it is moving near the speed of light in a perfect vacuum. So what is real?, when everything our senses are telling us is known to be a lie?.

Regards
AC

Quote from: muDped on 2021.06.08, 01:44:02
Paul, it has happened and more.

You just haven't seen it yet.

It is coming.

If this is true, what are they waiting for?

They have to be "motivated" to De-Classify all that they have.

It is being done now.

PaulR

QuoteIf this is true, what are they waiting for?

It's a matter of perspective and if any given technology represents a clear threat to national security and stability then action should be taken.

Covid is a good example of how a fairly minor disruption can bring entire economies to there knees within a short time frame. Now imagine a new energy technology which obliterates entire sectors of industry stranding trillions of dollars of capital assets. In this respect most economies are very weak because of there dependency on normalcy and holding the status quo.

The fact that these technologies are even coming out should also give us some indication of where were at. I heard through my contacts years ago that it's open season on free energy technology because at this point we have little to lose. We have basically destroyed the environment and it's all going to hell in a hand basket very soon unless we change. So this new disclosure is more an act of self-interest by most governments who realize they will also be hooped along with everyone else by doing nothing.

It's not rocket science it's natural selection, those who cannot adapt and evolve to survive will perish...

Regards
AC

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2021.06.09, 14:37:43
PaulR
It's a matter of perspective and if any given technology represents a clear threat to national security and stability then action should be taken.

We've heard this argument or a variation on it for several decades. More specfically, it used to be the oil industries protecting their bottom line, which has been ruined by electric cars. Why was Nissan allowed to bring out its "Leaf", thereby "blowing the doors off" ? In my view, the bogey men used to be powerful but they aren't any more. I believe we haven't seen the Joe Cell mature because it doesn't work. I am interested in it but wouldn't build a prototype because, sitting on my bench, it would look too damned stupid and make me feel the same.

Paul

QuoteWe've heard this argument or a variation on it for several decades. More specfically, it used to be the oil industries protecting their bottom line, which has been ruined by electric cars. Why was Nissan allowed to bring out its "Leaf", thereby "blowing the doors off" ? In my view, the bogey men used to be powerful but they aren't any more.

I think the problem relates to the fact that the fossil fuel industry used to be the only game in town and used to have a great deal of control. They could see new disruptive tech coming but now it's coming from everywhere. There is also the fact that investors are leaving that sinking ship in droves and seeking greener pastures. They have become minor players in the greater economy due to technology and many are on the verge of bankruptcy.

Here in Alberta, the land of oil and gas a new study just came out claiming no new coal mines should be allowed. The study proved they are a liability and a losing proposition which at best can only cover 25% of the damage they do in a 50 year period. That is all the profit, jobs and economic benefits are a drop in the bucket compared to the actual cost of damages to the tax payer.

QuoteI believe we haven't seen the Joe Cell mature because it doesn't work. I am interested in it but wouldn't build a prototype because, sitting on my bench, it would look too damned stupid and make me feel the same.

I understand what your saying and I have been down that road before. At one point I had thousands of hours of research and experiments under my belt and absolutely nothing to show for it. Then one day something happened by chance and everything changed. Right place, right time, right frame of mind, using deductive reasoning versus just guessing, clarity, focus, a great deal of luck and it worked.

I never feel stupid for trying even though a majority of the time I know I'm bucking astronomical odds. Many times I think what is this experiment going to cost?, let's say $60-100. What is the research and build time, let's say a week which in reality means three. What are the odds of this thing working, my optimism say's there is a fair chance but in fact the reality is much closer to zero maybe 1%.

This is how inventing works and it's not for the weak hearted or those who have problems with there ego or failure... it's a lesson in failure.

We keep failing over and over, banging our head against the wall, pulling our hair out until our sheer determination overcomes the problems involved and something gives way. Many wonder why so few have succeeded but the fact is the majority simply do not have what it takes to succeed in FE. There is no manual, no handy dandy reference to refer to, nobody there to hold our hand... it's on us.

Never feel stupid for trying... not trying is stupid.

Regards
AC

What is everyone missing in this discussion?

Joe cell can power an internal combustion engine with more power and also create a loss of inertia of the vehicle so it will accelerate much faster.

That said, who can make it work?

This relies on the ability to sense the fields present, and because they do not normally move a voltmeter it is hard to realize there is power present and available. To rout that power into the engine requires a tap of positive charge on the pully of the crank shaft for the original system to work.

When the field jumps to the crank of a running engine, it is an amazing thing to feel!
We are manipulating "power" in its raw form, with very tiny levels of power from the battery of the vehicle to use to align that inner power of the atoms.

Everyone here understands coherent fields, from electronics. Magnetism is a structure created from very small magnetic domains all aligning in the same orientation, and the resultant larger field has only 2 poles, it is a reflection of the smaller domains all acting as one.

A magnetic field can appear at many different levels of dimension, and it still only has one North and one South pole.
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It is the same with a vibration field bubble, only rather then originate on the iron atoms electron shell, it originates at the atoms mass.
This field has greater reach in space, and it has greater power of motion, but it has far less electrical charge. There is about 1000 times difference in the level of power of electric and motional fields, between electron and proton.

Just because one has never discovered how to generate coherent nuclear mass fields, does not mean they do not exist.
They come from a force that is 137 times more powerful then the electric field can become, and this is straight out of current physics.

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7 years to develop a sensory ability, is it worth it?

My martial arts instructor finally told me, the next 7 years will pass whether you embrace this or not, where do you want to be in 7 years?
Really put that into perspective for me and I ended up doing it for 18 years, then went on to other things of greater sensitivity.

I can site the Grey Protocols, and few will believe me. "You will be tested, before you can be handed such a great responsibility as power from the Quantum Field Fabric.

The universe contains it's own control over it's creation, and protects itself, from misuse.
We are judged as animal or civilized aware beings.

Animal consciousness is what we would call mental illness, as a person who kills with no remorse as an animal will, is locked up.

In other words one must work on the self in order to qualify, to receive the higher responsibility of control of the Quantum Field Fabric, and in that endeavor a serious connection with what life is will change them.

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Scientists will get angry if they study Joe directly and listen to how he gets it all to work.

"God told me how it works"
"It is all done using vibration"

One cannot approach the Joe Cell without some kind of desire to feel this connection with the universe that is much greater then any one person could manage working alone. The universe has to respond to your will, and fill the containers with the energy you are looking to observe.
You can use intuition, or you can use scientific data and accurate frequency relationships, but if you cannot feel the result, it will not likely work for you.

Permission is granted by your own higher self. It is not going to let the child set at the steering wheel of the car and crash it into the neighbors house.
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The ABC's must be learned first, then more can be added.

If you want the science part along with the sensory part, that is now possible.
http://www.resonantfractals.org/Doc/1index.html (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Doc/1index.html)

Study lessons near the top.

If you think it will work, without the sensory ability, I believe that is a mistaken notion, as everyone who has attempted to explain this Joe Cell phenomena ends up speaking in terms science cannot digest. Yet current science now has all the data we need to master it, if the sensory ability is present along with it.

Spirituality tells us that all things are connected.
The closest science can come to this is the Quantum Field Fabric, and the teaching is there.

How hard is it to prove to oneself that the frequency of 333000 hz is resonant with the space all around us?
Why is no one doing these kind of experiments, and instead shooting hypothetical arguments around that prove nothing?

What is a Vibration Field Bubble, and how can we set one up to feel it?

This is just too simple!

http://www.resonantfractals.org/Doc/Mass%20Vibration%20Science/Machines.html (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Doc/Mass%20Vibration%20Science/Machines.html)

Until you feel one, how could you know if the Joe Cell energy is reaching the crank of the engine?

Dave L

Vibration in motors

We also know that in a powering tool system, if we add a vibration component as with an impact wrench, either in the electrical system or in an air pressure system the power of the device increases. The torque is increased by pulsing it.

While we cannot measure the impact wrench at the end where it turns the bolt using a volt meter or an o-scope, we still realize the power of the vibration is there and increases it's ability to turn the bolt, or to drill the hole through a log with an impact drill.

We also know that at the point of the generators, the shaft is not being powered by electricity, usually by diesel or water power, the motion is only converted to EM to transport the energy.

Where we start to mess with mass vibration, at much higher frequencies, and not using meters or scopes, but using the body itself to detect the natural platonic form vibration field bubble, we notice they effect our consciousness in various ways. We may even get emotions coming up as we scan across the bands using our F gen into a scalar coil system designed to produce only vibration and cancel the EM components in the normal orientation of our coils we use today.

The scalar cancelling coil is synonymous with the design of the Quantum Field Fabric.
Zillions of Planck sized spinning elements oriented in cancelling format, all being stretched apart by the universe as if they were connected by springs but in all directions. This is the mental model that results in calculations that can result in exchange of anything to a frequency, and shows that even a distance holds a frequency. The math works out in physics.

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Until one can grasp the correct mental model of how a Joe Cell works, it will seem impossible, as we are not well adapt of thinking there is any power at all in space, or in the space around a stainless steel tube, space with power that can be routed inwards towards the center of the cell to increase it's motional energy. This is the "convergent field." Even a non sensitive can usually feel the energy inside this experiment!

http://www.resonantfractals.org/Doc/Joe_Cell/Caliper_Injection.html (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Doc/Joe_Cell/Caliper_Injection.html)

This is a simple experiment, and if you begin to feel the intense density of the energy being drawn into the SS canister, you will get a preview of what Joe Cell energy feels like.

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Many people will try to explain they are drawing in energy from the "environment," but that is not the solution.
The energy is being drawn in from the Quantum Field that hands energy to every atom, and it has to come inwards from outside it to support the higher density of the atoms mass.

We now have some correct frequencies to use to accomplish this consistently, which we did not have in the olden days of sticking Joe Cells in cars and working with what appeared to be Magic stuff.

The field bubbles can now be calculated.

Dave L

What is the power of mass in motion?

We can drive a car at 60 mph into a telephone pole and experience the raw power of mass in motion. The greater the mass the more the power.
The car will be bent up badly but not one atom of it's mass will be destroyed.

With a coherent field of mass vibration at the atoms level, a lower harmonic of the frequency will receive more power, exactly like the pulsed drill of the above descriptions.

With the first study of the Joe Cells and having them actually run an engine, we found there were sweet spots where the cell would cut in more strongly, and other points of the RPM's where the cells did not add enough power, and some that would kill the power.
This made us turn to exploration of "frequency" and how it can be calculated to work in different ways.

Tuning up cells using intuition was erratic, it might take off with tremendous power and as soon as the RPMs changed enough, loose all that power.

I started to mess with the piston stroke distance, something that does not change with RPM, and began to have very good results.
If we based the frequency on some ratio of the piston stroke length [frequency] we came up with effects that work over all the RPM's of the engine.
This was based on the concept that distance = frequency, which we have found much later in the scalar coil work with Isotope frequencies.

Next was the discovery, that we no longer needed the cell to do this part!

We could then pull energy inwards from the Field Fabric, while at the same time reducing the inertial connection with the earth, and that was a great surprise.

Light Activation of a Car (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Doc/Lessons/Advanced/Applications/Light_Activation_Car.html)

This is a more advanced technique, and sensory ability is likely a must.

Dave L

Learning to feel what mass vibration is.

Mass vibration is a nuclear powered force.

There are some other very simple experiments available for direct feel felt results as an introduction.
Wind a scalar coil on a crystal and use an F gen to find the points of mass resonance.

http://www.resonantfractals.org/Doc/Magnetism/Experiments.htm (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Doc/Magnetism/Experiments.htm)

This also is a very simple experiment as a first encounter with the unknown, the mystical, and your own astral bodies deceptions.
It got the attention of the "Grey ones" almost on the first set of trials.

Back then I had no understanding of the Quantum Field Fabric, but after I did this, information started appearing and coming to me.
"They" did not want me loosing control of this stuff, and realized I was opening this door, so I would have to be educated fully in how it works.

The type of wrap on that coil on the crystal is essential to control of the field. It can be turned on and off, not as with mobius coils. It can also be used on almost any frequency with an F gen to locate points of mass resonance in other objects.

Dave L

TDF's

Take Down Frequencies

I have had people write me to reveal similar problems they were having.
Maybe a group of people will come together to work on raising a field of vibration in a rather large area, and after a lot of time spent building this field, they discover a while later the field will not dissipate or ever come down. That may have even been their intention!

This effect can make a home unlivable, as the field has effects of distortions that can cause headaches in those who cannot feel them.

This is another reason to bring in the science of this, to fully describe how to remove a field that has become self sustaining.

One must be able to measure the frequency of the field, and determine it's form [shape].
If powering forms are present as the conical form, they can be removed using 1/3 the resonant frequency that starts them working, 1/3 the height of the cone. This relates to 1/9 the surface area of the cone that powers and sustains it. Joe Cells produce these kind of fields of conical form.

For spherical fields, we use 1/9 the diameter of the field, to null out and take down the active field.

A space can then be fully cleared and cleaned using calculations, once one can identify the field and measure it at some fractal resonance level.

Most sensitives will create fields powered by them, or their astral body, and in this case the astral body will ensure they dissipate as we remove our focus from them. If you look at the calculations to set up large conical Isotope fields you will realize these frequencies are very precise and would have one chance in about 50,000,000 anyone might hit one by accident! But it can happen with meditators who have no understanding of the science.

This is one reason dabbling in occult work has a very bad reputation for people working with the emotions that are not fully healed.
The greys will be observed as demons that scare them back into their bodies, and stop them from messing with what is not yet comprehended.
Working the emotions will never reveal the science of vibration to them with any comprehension or accuracy at all.
For the most part these sort of people are working from the emotional levels of themselves and they will be attempting to create fields that feel good.
This makes them "feel spiritual" personally but usually never lasts, they have to do it again and again every day to recreate these kind of fields. They can be used for healing work very powerfully by one who is well versed in the inner vision of trauma events.

I merely want to state some of the pitfalls of doing this stuff, and not yet comprehending what it is you are manipulating.
A little science in front of these experiences will go a long way to dispel some of the fears encountered along the way.

Seeking the emotional desires is a polarity experience, manipulating the field fabric is an experience of both yin and yang simultaneously in various form of dance that the Field supports and powers of it's own design. Emotions are our design, and we power and give them meaning, this is why they are usually always temporary states.

If a person is stuck generating a negative emotion and is very depressed, one can find its resonance and then calculate a pi/2 jump upwards, apply that to the person and pull them out of that state fairly fast, then take the field down using 1/9 of the sum of the two frequencies.
The pi/2 harmony state is recognized by the body as a life force energy which is very calming.

Dave L

"So what is real?, when everything our senses are telling us is known to be a lie?."

There is a sense we do have that begins to answer these questions. It is natural to many animals, as well, we do have the hardware to feel it.

One of the problems with Quantum field research is that they are looking for the answers using only EM instruments.
This concept that everything is random and based in probability. There is no way to show any level of intelligent design from such mental models.
There is great resistance to taking the next step, the Quantum Field is intelligent and conscious.

While I can now do a calculation to determine a frequency that will bring up a conical field inside a specific gap distance, and it will then remain stable and self power and even self correct, I still cannot tell you what or where is located this pattern in the Quantum Field that causes it to work.

This form however is self organizing once set up. It continues to power itself and to recover as atoms do. Since the math is fully based on the Isotope ratio found in NMR science, it makes sense that it should work, but I still cannot describe why it works or what is the "cause" of it working unless we begin to accept there is a consciousness to the Field Fabric itself, and it is similar to the consciousness found inside each of us.

From the center of the two cones that meet at a point that seems to be infinitely small to me, we have these two energetic systems appearing and being powered from the tiny point in space I cannot begin to define. I can only observe that it is very real, and seems to conform to the geometry of the Isotope of the atom, but at a size that sets on my bench and I can stick a finger inside and feel it's higher density then the space around it.

It has defined boundaries, that are extremely specific and perfect in form.

Without a model of the Quantum Field Fabric we are left with only magic to describe it, and without NMR science we have no way to control it.

I can tell you how to calculate these things, but I cannot tell you why one specific frequency will raise up a perfect sphere, and another will raise up a dual cone system.

It was interesting that when I started to mess with coherent light [lasers] these fractals of calculation manifested as dual cone systems! That was a total surprise to me.

Geometric expansion of the wavelength of the coherent light, generates a free standing conical form system in the caliper gap distance that results, at any fractal level I would choose. That is the Field Fabric seems to create these forms based on a distance being held fixed and resonant with space in some way.

The fractal calculations, are like a microscope, pulling up the same field geometry at larger or smaller dimensions, as we desire, but the shape of the field is fixed and somehow programmed into the Field Fabric and I would have to assume there is an intelligence behind that process.

Thus the bands of frequency of vibration are the base of recipes of all the structures we see as fixed or solid. Yet all these things we see as solid can be moved around in space and continue to hold their form.

I cannot tell you why or know the cause, other then there is a design to our universe which makes it all possible.

When one begins to master the math of this stuff and be able to predict how to raise a field of known design by locating a correct frequency, there is an almost Godlike feeling, and if humility is not practiced, it may become a problem. Others do not react well to an inflated ego, that discounts them.

There evolves a relationship with the Field Fabric, and a knowing that IT does know what it is doing.
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To address the current belief that all is random, and one must use probability to detect it, this is a problem with measurement limited to EM instruments. As EM rides on to of vibration which is the base structure, it is not the best method for detection or measurement of the Quantum Field Fabric.

We do know that to us, the reality seems to be solid and if it is pulsing on and off, it is stable at our dimension of experiencing it.
Study of the Quantum Field Fabric becomes workable as stable, when we accept that it is controlled by vibration, and not by when or where we can measure an electron or proton appearing to our EM instruments.

When we begin to play with the 333000 hz strobe we realize that mass resonance is very constant and predictable.
There is a constant set of frequencies all around us everywhere and even inside us that never changes, and is constantly present, leaving no room for "probability" what so ever.

If we try out a mental model that the entire universe is strobed, and everything inside it can only change during the strobe passing though our area of space, then we start to get consistency of results with energy coupling between different elements.

Elements that share the exact same volume, will couple into a synchronization and energy may jump between them.
Elements that share specific and perfect ratio, will begin to produce energy from the background field.

These perfect ratios are not hard to hit if we have "feel felt" senses turned on, but to hit them accidentally is very rare.

Tuning an infinite ratio seems impossible, but to the tweaker it is self evident as a point of increased vibration and very easy to tune and peak at maximum levels.

Next from the math we come to realize that on these peaks of vibration the two vibrations are acting on one another to fracture one another, and the result is that we form a tunnel downwards in size of an infinite fractal relationship, and hit the very small Quantum field, setting there just waiting for us to find this.

That is when we set up such an infinite function, the field fabric has to spend more time in that location of space. Or God if you will, you get the attention of the Field Fabric for a longer period of time.

While I can show how this works, I still cannot tell you why it works, other then that is just the nature of our reality!
We can effect how much energy is spent inside our field bubbles, and thus pull in more energy then would normally be expressed in that volume of space. It works and it is a true experience, a science one can then begin to feel is very real.

Tell an electronics engineer there is another form of energy below the EM technology they have learned and they are extremely resistance to opening the mind to such a possibility.

I had an electronics engineer one time make the GL tube for his wife who wanted one, and he ended up puzzling over it for a long time.
He could feel it, and it generated an emotion which is appealing. I have no idea how that went down the road. LOL!
An energy form he could definitely feel, but could never work out how or why it even existed.

EM is the entropic side, the outside of the atom, that causes our world to seem stable and fixed.
Tempic field is the side of the eternal forces that once set up continue to self power from the field fabric.
They are predictable, once we quantify them.
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There are 100's of books on how to become sensitive to quartz crystal vibration energy! No ones of EM can explain this type of energy.
It is however self evident that it must be real as so many sensitives can feel it.

A group of people gathered around a crystal with palms held out to feel the energy, a common theme in the 70's during the opening of the consciousness movement. The first one I was experiencing anyway. No one had any clue these energies could be measured and quantified, and it has taken 1/2 a life time to reach that point personally.

All quartz crystals have vibration resonance at many fixed frequencies of vibration and now I have measured and quantified these frequencies, such that we can even set up self sustaining field bubbles around then instantly, and then later take them down instantly.
That is a tremendous progress, from what we were doing in the 70's!

Quartz Crystal Wavelengths (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Doc/Mass%20Vibration%20Science/Quartz.html)

I have shown this to many Electronics people and they will set there feeling it is real and scratch their heads, it makes no sense to them how it can even work, or what the field bubble around that crystal actually is!

I show it to a sensitive and they get very excited and want to know how I set that field up so fast!
They normally have to work for hours and never get fields that strong.

Dave L

Manifesting elements in a Joe Cell

As with feeling the vibration field around a quartz crystal, every element on the table of elements has a unique vibration signature.

I was recently writing to a man working with the Cell who was also a welder, and attempting to understand it.

He wrote me excitedly to share that one day in his welding he suddenly realized he could feel the various metals and identify them by feel alone.

I then told him he was very close to being able to manifest these elements in a Joe Cell. As it turns out we have a tremendous ability to recognize vibration signatures once we begin to open to that possibility. The only other thing he needed to understand was the construction of atoms.
Negative charge around positive charge with correct mass vibration on it.

That is what ever we can recognize and feel, we can also send, as the body has tremendous ability to remember how things feel and taste if you will.

I describe the feeling as a taste for the specific element, and provide an NVR chart to experience most all of them first hand.

Then with this ability, we only need to know how to set up the correct electrical polarities to cause the water to go into manifesting mode.
It has to accept the nuclear vibration and then also provide a source of electrons to fill the outer orbitals, and boom we are then manifesting an element from water, vibration signature, and electrical charges.

Joe does this without using the scientific ratio chart, the NVR chart I have made from science.
Either way works!

This is something we have evidence from our past history that has worked for sensitives in past times, but would consider magical today, because the "feel felt" sensory ability has been discounted by our current materialistic sciences.

People have been doing this with the Joe Cells for a long time now, and all using intuition are tight lipped about it because they have no scientific understanding to fit this into our current science. Thus they are ridiculed when they go public.

I have brought in the science, even made a chart of the Isotope frequencies, and have no desire to hide from anyone, how it works.
The process is extremely logical, once one can accept the "feel felt sensory ability" of the human form body, and open to feeling it for them self.
At this point it then become self evident!

Dave L

Copper Medium

On planet earth all our copper atoms have one of two different Isotope frequencies.
The ratio between them is about 60/40.

One has an NVR of 88.297 mm/khz
The other is 94.584 mm/khz

Make yourself a scalar Aluminum Bismuth core coil, connect an F gen to it then set the coil on a large copper bar, or ground plate, and enter the realm of vibration science.

Tune up a frequency of 88.297 khz, and run your hand around the bar. You will then start to feel a vibration field bubble that is originating within the mass of the copper, and the larger the mass the stronger this field will become.

Tune up 94.584 khz and note the same sort of field bubble will come up around the copper bar.

Now add the two frequencies together and experience something very unique, all the atoms will align into one spin plane.

88.297 + 94.584 =  182.881 khz

This is the taming of the coper atom, such that 100 percent of all the atoms present will come into a coherent field alignment.

You can palm around this, as if feeling a quartz crystal, and find the dimensions of the field were it seems to stop moving away from the copper bar or plate.

Ask yourself, is this real, what is it, why have I never felt this before, and how come it can be calculated?
How in the world did Dave ever figure this out?

Everyone who ever studied NMR science could never come up with a way to create a field from it without using magnets, or very sensitive EM devices, and when they did, it was never this easy to feel.

If you like set a magnet on the copper bar, and realize that the vibration frequency does not stop working or change frequency!
This kind of energy will overpower the magnet, and the magnet will not cause it to change frequency, because this energy lies underneath the magnetic field.

This energy is connected with the vibration that sustains the copper atoms and gives them ability to self power!
EM rides on the outside of the atoms, this energy comes from the nuclear core of the atoms.

NMR science then is limited to what the electron shell of the atom is doing as a response to the presence of a magnet.
NVR is the root mass resonance at the location of control of atoms dimensions and its recovery response to pull the electron shells back into place.

One can then begin to understand how mass vibration works underneath the EM fields to power atoms.

Previous to this kind of manipulation, NMR was thought to be a very weak interaction, and it is.
NVR however is the root power source of the atom, as a vibration field that is pretty much immune to EM manipulation.
If it were not then atoms could be torn apart using EM fields, and that is not possible!

The holding force of the nucleus of the atom called the strong force is 137 times stronger then EM fields can become.

The experiments pretty much prove out what parts of the atom we are accessing, based on what we know already from physics.

Nuclear manipulation, allows manifesting of elements, from a water cell. There is nothing unscientific about this process.
It is repeatable!

Dave L

Hello Dave
Based on your previous post I want to give something to read but it is only in German language. It might be useful for you.
http://www.aladin24.de/htm/kristalle.htm
http://www.torkado.de/progs/progRauch.htm

I am going to buy into this debate.

about 1.3756% of what DaveL says is true... The rest is pure fantasy or contrived feelings from fake science theories. We have known each other from other forums for over a decade. Dave has completely derailed this thread with misguided beliefs in what a JoeCell is and how it works thus tabling fake explanations.

The JoeCell, from Joe's answer when I asked him direct so I could quote him is.... "JoeCells change the memory of water permanently".
We live in a Water Universe created by crystals of Light. Dave has in his vibrational memory that the universe has some gases as 'elements' which is wrong as its not the way Joe describes his Cells functionality so why is he imposing his 'theories' on this topic? Dave has a fractional Barrow to push. Dave has in his vibrational memory, that effects his finger tips, that electrons and protons are something he can measure and calculate 'spin' but this is just a theory and has no place in JoeCell Science. Dave fails to understand his own 'control' over his own 'vibrations' when he holds his calipers usually in a shed with a 120VAC Vibrational Field within and surrounding the shed. Dave thinks he can ISOLATE Frequencies with a mechanical device independent of its surrounds even ignoring the Y factor. Dave uses the word 'gravity' when he knows nothing about it and neither does science. For every action there is an Opposite and Equal Reaction.... Joe has quoted this to me dozens of times for me to calculate what it is we are witnessing. Where is the Opposite and Equal of 'gravity'? Yeah I can wait for an answer.

The JoeCell is the Science of the Stars. The science of Energy manifestations we call elements. At no point did anyone try to understand what it is that the CAR BATTERY is providing to the JoeCell to understand what it is that is happening to the Cell. Some even claimed his Flatline DC Battery power source (a telecom rectifier battery charger olde skool tech) was some how altered to give the Cell some form of 'energy' that makes his Cells actually work. So I bought one in Melbourne and took it to Joe and he used it to power up a Cell in front of me so I would KNOW it wasnt the Power source and had to go back to the most ORIGINAL and Ancient Baghdad Battery constructions to understand 'batteries'. The rest of you cant get past the 'bubbles'. Must be a childish thing. Alex Schifflier didnt understand the 3rd Elemental State of WIND activation and instead called it Stage 3. You want to make AIR implode and run a car on Implosion or Compression Energies, its the 3rd Elemental State of Matter or the water in the Cell that needs HYPERCHARGING to effect this energy manifestation that is the Cause of the Atmosphere (WIND) to condense or Compress to RAIN in an Atmospheric CELL where the rotating Winds are actually ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELDS and the Lightning is best understood by taking a new look with Water as Magnetic Light Crystals, in Lord Kelvins "Thunderstorm".... google it.

Dave still thinks the only way to power a JoeCell is with the Negative in the Centre tube.
Some Paul guy wants to see Transmutation... https://rumble.com/vhodfb-full-unedited-version-of-oil-from-water..html

This device is SO FAR OUT THERE its no wonder no one understands it. Try sitting with Joe for 10 hours studying the Bible as background information to the Numbering system in the Cell and and then going to the shed for some practical experiments and returning with a detailed verbal description of this Field Science as to how to build a propulsion system for a interstellar craft. All in one day. Takes Months to decipher what he said and apply it. Recently he taught me how to get the 4 Phases of 'electricity' out of 3 car batteries. The implications of this PHENOMENA is mind blowing as it tied together a lot of past Physics he explained over the years and the experiments I could do with them. Think of extracting the North Pole Negative Field of 'electricity' from 3 Baghdad Batteries and applying it to a COIL arrangement of Silver Wires in a Persian Carpet with 3 Baghdad Batteries. Joe has made the Wheel obsolete.

This Hypercharging of Water through Stainless Steel Antennas should be on everyone's agenda and taught in High school. It is a real Pity people like Peter Stevens and Alex Schifflier and now DaveL have got it so WRONG. I have suggested to Dave he should delete his JoeCell pages from hjs website as they are doing a great disservice to Joe.

Why did they and still do, get it so wrong?  There is no MAGNETICS in the Atomic Structure for them to have some knowledge to associate with it. There is little in Academia to correlate Battery DC with Magnetics. Their Minds are CONTAMINATED with protons, electrons and Neutrons and other MARBLES like Water MOLECULES. They even think Iron comes from the earths Core !!!! Their understandings of 'electricity' as a theoretical MARBLE is just plain farked. No other way to say it. Something this wrong is generally just plain farked.

Joe is inspired by his "God" and he does what his God tells him. NONE of you have any place for God in your belief system. Ever think that might be a clue as to why its beyond your comprehension or engineering capabilities? You want to travel to the Heavens, you'd better start understanding how Heaven works.

Posted else where but its fitting to add it here

The creation of Aetheric Scalar Energies as Tesla envisaged or otherwise known them as "pure Flat Line DC (direct current-no hertz) necessitates the creation of a Neutral Centre 'point' attachment to the Aether or Aristotles Quintessence. It is to be thought of by the Inventor (alchemist/blacksmith/Druid) as being like a 'god' and 'creating Life'. Any newly created Energetic or magnetic Field that isnt found elsewhere and so is like an 'invention', first creation or proto type is "alive" when its MANufacturer (person-facturer) creates a Neutral Centre attachment of the 'invention' to the Aether, as a newly created life form. (but not a Life Form as we know it Jim, for the trekkies)

We can draw a simile in the Creation of a New Life Form between a man and a woman. Where one can easily see that at the moment the sperm enters or breaks the Field of the Egg, a new magnetic Field is instantly formed or created and all the other sperm are no longer attracted to the egg's Field Charge. A New Field is 'born' awaiting birth. Incidentally, all the Magnetic Spheres in the Heavens and their positions effect the 'pattern' of the New Field as we are in "their Field".

So we think of building this Scalar Energy Motor or Crystal Staff or magnetic In Line Cell and as we assemble this Magical Item we talk to it and lovingly make every piece fit like a glove, plain and functional no frills. It's the moment the alligator clip touches the Battery to make the connection, its the beginning to Spin the Stator by hand, its the moment the sperm drills the egg. It's the Magical moment you have a device you created with an attachment to the Aetherical Universal Consciousness, that your thoughts or words of 'command' or instructions of what you want from this new life form that determines how it functions. Its a Mental Universe. This is how one creates LIFE.

The Honeymoon would fairly ensure that that moment of Creation of a new neutral centre life form would happen in the after glow of lovingly embracing the union. Or we can wonder where the egg donor and sperm donor is in their drunken state. Or the randomness of shaking a test tube. Some call this Civilization, others call this Satanic and some call it "science" you can safely and effectively trust.

It can also be likened to the Joining of Magnets. see video of Joe here https://metallicman.com/forum?view=topic&id=178

To explain this Mathematically... adding one magnet to another magnet is like adding 1 + 1... but the answer is only ever 1.   Adding 3 or 4 magnets together still only gives 1 "Field" and 2 poles and the Gauss stays the same. 1+1+1+1+1 only ever equals 1 (or 1 magnetic 2 poled Field)
But in the above vid Joe adds 2 magnets together and he gets something completely unexpected or another number that we can designate '2'. So 1+1=2 in Field science Maths and this can be extended when a 3rd magnet is added to the 2 with same poles together or 1+1+1=2 or TWO distinct new and stronger 'poles' on the washers made by 3 magnets.

One is CREATING a NEW Field the other is just adding to an existing one. One changes the water the other just adds more water to the existing mass. Some Creations can have a Neutral Centre and be Alive. This is the Quest... to become a God and Create Life if you want to play with Scalar Energies in a Samsung smart drive motor. Any other generator that puts out more than it consumes is NOT Scalar, it is just 'over unity'. Creating or joining 2 or more rotating Magnetic Fields creates this Neutral Centre that ALL 'defined' Fields have. 2 interacting rotating Magnetic Fields is 1+1=2

These Physics of Life Principles are even more magical and evident when using the JoeCell (hyper-charged water Field)  to use existing DNA to create Mental Images of new DNA species  combinations like a Fish with human Teeth for example. (google it, it was probably a high school experiment back in Posidea)

The creation of a New Magnetic 'entity' that previously did not exist, happens when the Field is first turned on, water flows through the pipe or the moment that the electrodes are connected. In the water JoeCell the centre of the inner tube has no 'electricity' passing through it forming a 'natural' neutral centre. But its full strength is reached when the Total number of 'Poles' adds up to 9 in number and are Magnetically aligned for a Unified Field effect that can surround a craft for example like making Jock's F150 Levitate and lacking Inertia or resistance to the Aetheric Energy Grid of the Universe as it has become One with the God Consciousness. Simple really. These are some of the practical applications of the Secret Teachings of all Ages.

If you can play with the Vibrations we call 'electricity' and through the use of semi conductors and batteries, you can make these Vibrations do many things like Laser Lights, Tasers, LED's, transformers, inverters. Stop thinking in terms of making electrons that can be stored. Two metal sheets insulated will store these vibrations as a capacitor. What do you want this motor to do? You can do both... make a motor run its own generator as there are 3 phases so one is free to be a generator, or use the magic of Rotating magnetic Fields  (1+1=2) to generate a Neutral Centre that is Mentally Created by the inventors Mind.

I am here to inspire you to be a creative integral of the Universal Consciousness... not to spoon feed you. Only this way you will learn your position in the matrix. The CSO at Philosophy.org is much smarter than me and his experience and interpretation of Joe's Video where he explains the position or orientation of the Magnet on the stator, is critical and may require several to be modified. Joe and I went to the laser and water jet cutters many times. He 'found' or some would say was guided, to a particular washing machine at the scrap metal dealer saving him the work of repositioning the magnets. But he learned the hard way by trial and error. Think about them iron filings wave forms traveling past a coil and how they interact. Smooth flat-line DC requires smooth riding the waves past the magnet not 'cutting' them but more like surfing the wave.

You now have all you need to know to build a Samsung smart drive motor to make Tesla's Radiant or Scalar Energy. Watch the Joe Vid on the motor CSO posted. Think about what and why you are doing it. Let the Creative forces of the Universe (faith) guide you. It can be done and has been done by what one would call 'gifted' people. Tesla, Joe, Keely, they are all/were blessed with the Gifts of God (intuitive energies) for without these you must be forgiven for you know not what you have done or the mistakes of life you may yet commit. 

When I visit Joe next I will inquire of the magnets orientation on these motors now that I can ask a decent question I might get a decent answer.

Quote from: MerLynn on 2023.08.02, 05:18:05

.... "JoeCells change the memory of water permanently".

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Carl Sagan.

For Some No Proof is Required
For Others there is never enough Proof

The same can be said of God... For some no proof is required for others there is never any proof.
For some they see the magic of Life for others its just swampy evilution.

Which one are you Paul?

If the 'elements' are but frequencies of Water
And Battery 'electricity' is but Vibrations of varying frequencies depending upon the 'elements' in the battery.
then the Addition of Battery Vibrations via a Frequency Generator or ANTENNA immersed in water
Should have a 'effect' on the constituents that the water is comprised of.


Did you not watch the video of water being Vibrationally changed into Oil and then we burnt said oil Paul?
https://rumble.com/vhodfb-full-unedited-version-of-oil-from-water..html
https://rumble.com/vh9sd3-water-into-oil-second-camera-view.html

I have written about the 16 different products from one batch of water, the memory can be Permanently changed into by the position and sequencing that the electrodes can be activated from...

Here are 5 pictures of Fracking Waste Water from Colorado that has had some of these electrode placements.  You can see the Cone Cell ANTENNA that did this experiment.
Bottle 3 is the original sample. Bottle 1 is so pure you can drink it. I actually have this Test Sample being Charged on Video as we were doing this for the same lady from the USA that Video'd the Magnetic In Line Cell. https://rumble.com/vhrdlh-magnetic-in-line-joecell-restructuring-ocean-sea-water-into-fresh..html

But for some No Video Evidence is enough. For others not even 3 visits bringing their own water and watching it being MEMORY CHANGED was enough. These people, if you can call them that, have been educated TOO far in the other direction.

Pic 2   (the site isnt allowing me to post but one pic at a time)

Pic 3

pic 5

Quote from: DaveL on 2021.10.16, 05:34:57
Copper Medium

On planet earth all our copper atoms have one of two different Isotope frequencies.

On Planet Earth, Gold has 16 different Frequencies... This is evidenced by the '49ers Gold Panners' who found that 16 Bends down stream they found the Same 'kind' of pannable gold.

Actually Dave, its ISODOPES.

And just what is the ORIGIN of this 'copper' we find on planet Earth?

Hint...  Its much the same as the ORIGIN of ALL IRON on Planet Earth.

Hello everybody.
Thank you very much for the interest that you have showed in my thread.


I apologize to you all , and I am very embarrassed that I did not find the time anymore to continue the experiments , but I hope that will change in the near future.

Even if you write 3 rows , you are using time from your life , to make a contribution to the thread.
In this situation I want to give a big THANKS to Merlynn  , Dave and all the other members.

Merlynn , I want to apologize in the name of those who offended you , Lynn , Joe and I hope that you find the strength to see that we are not enemies here.
Even if somebody (I think Stevens) stole a JC from Joe's garage , please do not judge us all , for the actions of 1 man.

Today August 2023  . we have 11 years , since JOE filmed the videos at his farm.
Since then , no new information has Surfaced.
Also , Lynn has not posted any new material on his website , (water-science ).

My car uses 5 L Diesel / 100 km so :
I do not want to turn water into oil , or run my car on a JC , because as you can see it is highly economic.

I would really like to learn more about the Element Water and Magnets , so the question is ,
Where can a BoB like me start this process of learning ?

Thank you very much , I am glad that you are healthy and hope that all the member can change a little bit ,
Because at the end it does not matter how much you know , but WHAT you do with the information to make the world a better place.
Best regards
@Sollaris :)

Where can a BoB like me start this process of learning ?

What I present as "Field Science" is just another way of understanding Walter Russells View that in the Wave Lies the Secret of Creation. The 'waves' from magnets create electricity. Some say its an Electric Universe but its actually made of Light Crystals given their lack of understanding WAVES.

What has been presented by all 'others' including Peter Stevens or Alex Shifflier is their 'belief' or 'view' of what they thought they 'saw' at Joe's demonstrations. 

To surmise, they 'saw' essentially 2 things (1)bubbles being created by DC and (2) this bubbling apparatus was it running a car.
What else they 'saw' was a Man of God who Walked the Talk and had near zero scientific background training or for that matter, much of any schooling. They saw a guy who lived on top of a Guinea pig cage, fixed cars for fun and profit and had a way of answering your questions to the level of intelligence of whom was asking. After the usual 50 hours of bible study, if you were still there, you then got some real science. It was always worth the wait and was actually necessary to understand where his MATHS came from. (Hebrew) Some Sydney college of religion sent 3 guys to Joe's house and he lectured them for days on what they missed in reading the hyphenated words and what the verse numbers related to, in context. He literally would be the smartest man you would ever meet. Most Intuitive too. They 'believed' they saw a desperate inventor to take to the cleaners.

Peter sought out alternative science on the net and came to the conclusion and even visited the Russellian Museum in Virginia as the answer to what was happening in the cars Internal Combustion Motor. He started on the quest a decade after he borrowed the first Cell as Joe had ceased educating Peter after the borrowing event. When Joe made the first Magnetic In Line Cell with Ring Magnets in 2007, Peter quickly went to Joe's House with a Video Camera to get Joe to spill the 'science'. Joe did oblige but only in so far as to 'put it out there'. So peter took these bits of science and began manufacturing In Line Cells for sale and Joe had no end of phone calls from very disgruntled buyers of these boat anchors. Over the course of 2007 and 2015 every time I visited Joe, these guys would show up just to say hi to Joe to see what we were up to. At no time did Peter ever want to understand what Joe had said of his Cells, instead trying to use his new found Russellian theories to explain their operation. Sad that Joe finally forbid the word "Russell" in his presence. Cliff Pound reported to the editor of Nexus Magazine where an article appeared in the '90's describing this 'new found energy'. The fact that dozens of people saw a car levitating only furthered the Mystic of the JoeCell. ASIO Agents came and video'd the "escort video" of the entire conversion which included taking the Jets out of the Carby after disconnecting the petrol. In the video, Joe claims the battery shorted out and the car stopped and he switched the motor back to 'petrol' but never replaced the Jets on the side of the road. This was done to thwart and self discredit the JoeCell to any trained investigative person to prove it was a fraud. Unless you know what is really happening. These 'tricks' Joe used with EVERYONE as it kept him alive and still breathing. ASIO sent around Jock Longfield and he built him a working JoeCell and installed it on his F150 Pickup in 1995. This was done so ASIO would have something they could NEVER reverse engineer. Jock phoned Joe when he began playing with ring Magnets in 2007 and reminded him about playing with things that can get one killed. He was essentially 'silenced' but still alive. He was on the "to do" list that Joe claimed to have seen when he tapped Jocks keyboard and it came up with his hit list page. To this day there is a motor in Melbourne still running on 'blocks' with no source of 'fuel' other than a stainless steel 'dripper' from a hospital blood infusion device attached to the engine block.

Alex Shifflier was part of the Melbourne mob that Joe visited in a working JoeCell car, for them to examine for 3 days and learn from the horses mouth. They KNEW it worked. But they KNEW NOT how. Lacking in 'science terms', they took everything Joe said on how to build this Cell and Alex being an Orgone fanatic cultist, proceeded to tell the world how to make this energy with a JoeCell design gleaned from Joe's unique way of telling the truth but leaving you wanting for more. Alex sent Joe a $1 check as "Royalties" for the Experimenters Manual to begin a 'paper trail' of 'Partnership'. Joe showed me the Check and the Printed Manual which he gave me. Joe refused to talk to these people ever again.

There were enough people that saw and experienced a Car running on the Energy from Water and not ever consuming the water. One car was examined by the university of Newcastle and they tried to get a Compliance Plate for it but that required an engineers certificate and no one could provide that. The 'evidence' for 4 years of cars running on JoeCells was such that Alex Schifflier was able to sell the idea to the world that anyone can build a JoeCell and run a car on Orgone. DaveL was the accumulated finale of that trial and error shit show on the Yahoo forums. Bernie wrote to me and said that DaveL and him and others debated the fact that the Motor DID NOT run on IMPLOSION energies as this meant the Valves would open when they shouldnt and the motor couldnt possible run. Forgive me but DaveL is still stuck on stupid over this operating procedure of the JoeCell. Its a Mental Universe Dave and such thoughts about the Cell not functioning this way guaranteed it would not. Dan Winter studied the Implosion of the JoeCell and he went off on a tangent using this limited understanding of Implosion and what causes it and he too has an economic interest to push his fake theories. Dont even get me started about EZ water....

One guy built a beautiful Cell and took it to Joe and asked him why it didnt run the car. So Joe grabbed the Cell and jumped in the car and said lets go for a drive. Joe as passenger, just touched the Cell to the metal on the door and the car accelerated and they all thought they would crash at the bottom of the Hill. Joe merely asked the Cell (after touching it and changing the vibrations of the Cell) to show us some Scalar energy. Asking it to show some Orgone energy, nothing happens, Orgone, as a unique energy form is merely a mislabeled "energy" we know as a Magnetic Field Bias and so cannot be 'produced'. It simply does not exist as they THINK it does. Reichs, orgone box is a self charging capacitor utilizing the Magnetic Fields of the Earth. Depending upon material construction determines its beneficial nature or not. Same as a pyramid.

The JoeCell that was mounted to the car they examined for 3 days was what Joe calls a "4 Way Cell". 4 tubes in a ss container that can have 4 distinct electrode placements for 4 distinct outcomes with 4 stages or PHASES to each Way the Cell is powered up. It had an electrode placement at the bottom of the Cell and Alex determined that this is the Only Cell design that will generate 'orgone'. Stage 3 Cell is the 3rd 'tapping' Sequence of the North Pole Negative Bias Cell. This was just too much info and so Alex took what he thought was all he needed to know and wrote a manual. ONE way of 16 ways was promoted and nothing was ever said of any other MAGIC that this Cell design could perform. Joe asked them many times to cease and desist but this orgone was too good and Alex knew it "worked". He got to examine a running car for 3 days. For those who know the Law. To run a car different from the Compliance Plate on another 'kind' of fuel is illegal and can have your car towed if stopped by the Police and you can be thrown in Jail for this. For Joe to acknowledge this device is capable of powering a car, was a serious offense. Joe has never used a computer or the internet or owned a mobile ph. Nothing can be attributed to him and they all misrepresented his words and designs. He had no way to correct this. 1000's eventually gave up experimenting with JoeCells because of Alex and Peter's fake orgone science when it was they who inspired them in the first place. The whole story is a travesty if I hadnt came along.

I was a bit like Joe in that I could fix most anything and I too rebuilt cars and motors. So I knew how they operated from a petroleum perspective. Most people DO NOT know the MECHANISM that makes the piston 'go down' in Petroleum engines much less the Mechanism that the JoeCell uses to suck them up in implosion physics.

The Atmosphere or WIND we refer to as Air has 2 major 'components' nitrogen and oxygen. We now know that Oxygen is made with a Positive Field Vibration and provides the 'energy' for Heat or Fire to manifest. Nitrogen is highly reactive to energy inputs or very 'stable' when encapsulated. (tyres on airplanes) As the Air is drawn into the motor and fuel added at the same time, when this mixture is Fired or Sparked the oxygen energy is released as Heat and this expands the Nitrogen instantly pushing the piston down. The fuel is ONLY the 'Catalyst' to release Oxygen energy to expand the highly reactionary Nitrogen or Neutrally charged AIR. The fuel catalyst requires Fire in the form of a spark to begin the frequency change of 'oxygen' to 'carbon monoxide' in what we call AIR. These are not chemical actions but frequency interactions that can permanently change the Memory of Earth, Water, Wind or Fire. To use Negatively charged AIR as the Catalyst to IMPLODE the Nitrogen instead of Petrol to EXPLODE the Nitrogen is the classic Opposite and Equal effect.

The 'car' JoeCell has the Negative terminal at the Centre bottom tube, creating a Negative Bias (neutral Centre) Magnetic Field Effect. This makes the Bubbles of Hypercharged Air Implosive when Sparked by a match or spark plug...  see this here... https://rumble.com/vh7v87-im-plosions-and-ex-plosions-demo.html

The bubble and the Field of the Water in the JoeCell are all Negatively charged. Thinking in terms of energy, frequency and vibration, These bubbles of Vibrational energy, as is the Water in the Cell, are now Magnetically Charged and Vibrate at a new rate or frequency and have POLARITY or a Magnetic Field like a magnet. When this Cell is attached to a dead bolt on the motor, after a period of time these Negative Field Vibrations permeate the iron or better still the Aluminium Block. The JoeCell is a Frequency device for permanently changing the vibration of 'matter' or changing its natural Memory of Vibration be it water or an engine block.

As the Air in drawn into the Motor that has a new Field Effect of IMPLOSION Field forces, it instantly Charges the Air with this same Vibration and it too wants to IMPLODE like in the above video. All it takes is a spark at the moment the cylinder is fully filled up with new air by setting the Distributor at approx 70 degrees before top dead centre and this implosion acts upon the Nitrogen component in the air and it implodes like in a thunder storm and the Air shrinks in volume 1400 times to make water or rain. The JoeCell imparts a new frequency to the motor and the air and uses the Opposite and Equal of Explosion or Heat as IMPLOSION or COLD fusion energies. The motor ran ice cold. If water doesnt have memory, then cold fusion cant exist either and we call this "over educated too far in the other direction" to quote Joe who rarely has a bad word about anything.

One could describe a JoeCell as a Mono Pole Field Generator. Its the same as the Mono Pole Field where the same poles of 2 magnets are joined together with a washer inbetween and the Washer exhibits a Mono Pole. The JoeCell makes the water Magnetic as a single or Unified Field Charge. Until I explained this to the 5000 odd members of the JoeCell forums, they were oblivious to the how a car motor actually runs and the Field Effect that is required to mimic nature we call Cold Fusion. No wonder no one ever reverse engineered a JoeCell, not even Peter.

Hooking one of these up to a car is an advanced usage of such technology and requires a very detailed knowledge of the Atomic Structure and the only 2 forces inherent in Nature. Namely Implosion and explosion or as Russell says it, Compression and Expansion. But for Alex, he marketed the JoeCell as an Orgone device for free energy and all Joe's 'science' was just hocus pocus.

I once went in the shed at Joe's and he had a beer keg full of water with a ConeCell in it. (I believe it can be done with a tubecell as well.) He took the Cell out of the water and told me to put my hand in the water which I did. He then said to swirl my hand in the water. It felt like a 1000 razor blades were 'nicking' my hand. The faster I twisted my hand the greater the sensation of electrical contact like touching a battery to one's tongue. This is the Water Effect one is looking for when making a JoeCell cold fusion battery in a stainless steel bucket of plain water.
All thats required once this water is charged appropriately is HALF of an old RADIO tuner with 2 wires attached immersed in the bucked for unlimited DC energy. Very few people were shown the ConeCell and what it does to the water. The world really only knows of the 4 way tube cell and then only one way to power it up and then only one way to use this energy if you figure it out.

Joe spent 1000s of hours playing with his Cells in solitude in his workshop figuring all this out with no back ground physics to add to the explanations. Spectators could disrupt any experiment with just their attitude of 'free energy'. Many people brought water or waste products to obtain a way to fix pollution. He would pour the water/used engine oil/acid mine waste/ gold bearing ore   into his cell and gave them the result they wanted... only no report was ever written and SIGNED OFF on by some over educated Academic for it to be invested in.

Its marketing strategy required Joe to either teach some one, or his Hands On involvement for commercialization. He can build things that do not require this Mental Universe training but then he's giving away his IP and its all he has to his name. He 'likes' it that I reveal what he does without revealing the IP. Like the Samsung Motor, you can do it, all you gotta do is begin. Any Experimenter Guide will not suffice if Faith is beyond your comprehension. With what I have revealed on OUR, you have much more than you actually need to have results. JoeCell experimenters only ever tried ONE way to achieve a result and never knew anything else could be done. Its not mine to give away but to Inspire mad scientists everywhere freeing them from fake satanic theories. In reading the bickering comments in some threads, after decades of inventors failing to teach others how to get their free energy, I can see the frustrations. Over Unity is CREATION technology and requires Creation understandings. I cant tell you how to run a car on a JoeCell. I can tell you why it runs a car and how to experiment with one. Same goes for any Joe Designed Cell.

The Great Work is an Alchemical term for the process of working with the prima materia to create the philosopher's stone which has never been fully understood. Prima materia is WATER also known as Earth, Wind and Fire. This 'stone' can be ANY product that imbues the Vibrations (chi/prana/scalar etc) of its CREATOR who can only be an educated or a Learned man of God as the Quintessence or the God Source Code of all the Energy manifestations we should know as our Water Based Universe. Electricity is 'Water Vibrations' as the crystals vibrate back and forth it separates into 2 charges or forces. Pull and Push. Pos and Neg. Expansion and Compression. One theorist called it a Reciprocating Universe and was the reason the RA material of Hermes Laws were rejected. Truly you can lead a horse to knowledge but you cant make it think. Its even more entrenched now that we are the Planet of the Apps.

The Keyword for this Sermon is FAITH.
Knowing of 'god', 'aether', Scalar, Light Crystals or the Inverted Triangle Water 'symbol'. These are the Things your Conscious Faith knows are the only 'things' in existence to be willed to create by YOUR Conscious thoughts and visions to assist with your I-Magi n-ation (my magi n action) to believe in what you can do. And why Wait. If you put your MIND to it, knowing your Scalar god energies can have The Power of God really manifest creating your imaginative ideas to fruition with either hands of Healing or inventiveness or enlightenment.

To take God from our collective consciousness by education, sees so few church goers in a nice extended loving family like the boomers had it as kids. This involved debasing the Word God by using the word Faith in conjunction. The mantra of How can you have FAITH in a God that cant be proven to exist? It took a long time to make god look bad from a FAITH perspective. Degrading this word has meant we cant have FAITH in anything any more. Odds are you will be unfaithful to someone so Faith is already tarnished. We lose all faith in humanity when we find out the medicines and doctors, we cant have faith in anymore for fear of being poisoned literally to death. YOU NEED TO LEARN FAITH if you are going to build a JoeCell. Faith in yourself. Faith in a higher source for 'everything' you can imagine you will need. Faith someone believes that this JoeCell has an amazing healing capability, if nothing else to build it for. This I can tell you how to build. I managed to get one out of Joe that has 3 JoeCells in 2 basins so many can be treated at once. It is truly the Healing hand of God in a bucket and all from just one car battery. All JoeCells work best with one car battery. Unless one knows the secret of other phases from multiple batteries.

Physician... first heal thy self...

Quote from: MerLynn on 2023.08.08, 01:32:09

...Over Unity is CREATION technology and requires Creation understandings.

...These are the Things your Conscious Faith knows are the only 'things' in existence to be willed to create by YOUR Conscious thoughts and visions to assist with your I-Magi n-ation (my magi n action) to believe in what you can do. And why Wait. If you put your MIND to it, knowing your Scalar god energies can have The Power of God really manifest creating your imaginative ideas

...To take God from our collective consciousness by education, sees so few church goers in a nice extended loving family like the boomers had it as kids. This involved debasing the Word God by using the word Faith in conjunction. The mantra of How can you have FAITH in a God that cant be proven to exist?

...It is truly the Healing hand of God

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This is a scientific forum. This user is turning into a God Squad ranter and appears to be tryting to use these pages to propoagate religious beliefs.

This should not be happening.

Quote from: Paul-R on 2023.08.08, 09:49:57
Moderators:

This is a scientific forum. This user is turning into a God Squad ranter and appears to be tryting to use these pages to propoagate religious beliefs.

This should not be happening.

I substitute the word god for whatever deity, quantum force, life force, zero point etc that suits . I would encourage this discussion. There is much in this universe we don't understand. More civil discussions by curious minds should be free to take place here.

Merlynn I live in Melbourne. Would the engine be open to be viewed by a curious mind?

Quote from: Paul-R on 2023.08.08, 09:49:57

This is a scientific forum. This user is turning into a God Squad ranter and appears to be tryting to use these pages to propoagate religious beliefs.

This should not be happening.

Since when was the study of God not "scientific"?
Since when was the Study of these Intuitive Arts not Scientific?
Since when was the study of Mind over Matter Not scientific?
Since when was looking for more to understand not scientific?
Science is to QUESTION EVERYTHING not ban "misinformation" because some one Owns the Science you must Trust to be safe and effective.

If, as it happens, that a belief in a Higher Source of all energy is part of the experiment then it must be investigated and questioned according to Science Principles of Questioning everything.

Walter Russell says EXACTLY the same thing. philosophy.org. 'Without Mind there is No Creation'. Most people not only fail to understand this MIND thing but also fail to use it as it was created to use. Emoto showed us the infancy of this SCIENCE. Joe takes it to the INVENTING Level.

This is the JoeCell Initiative thread. It surly relates to ALL things JoeCell yes Paul? You certainly could not disagree could you? If part of that Science that Joe espouses is God related, why must I exclude it when there are those who want to know this Art of Mind over Matter and what is required to preform such Magic to build the impossible that Ungodly people fail to do?

Joe's standard answer to the 100's of varying questions of "How do you know these things Joe?" and lets face it Paul, he knows things you would LOVE to know, (if not then why are you commenting on this thread?) Joe's standard answer and Ive heard him say it at least a dozen times is... "GOD tells me what I need to know when I need to know it".  Stick around Paul, I will eventually give this thread lots of examples of how GOD tells Joe what he needs to know. And each and every example will be SCIENCE but maybe not as you would like to believe in it Paul. Everything you've ever dreamed of making in some form from ideas presented on this forum, Joe has built a working prototype. I havent even begun to explain some of his inventions. And Paul... if you want to replicate any of them as time goes on, its best to understand the god equation in this universe. Or not. Its your choice but dont stand in the way of those who may want to know why, after decades of over unity research, you cant go to your local over unity store and buy something much less go to your fav forum and build something. I would be pleased if you never responded to any Post I make again if its going to be as disruptive as this one. We would all be better off that way. For you, there will never be enough proof it seems. The threads and benches I respond to are very appreciative of my input. So lets each stick to OUR own.

In the following video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKS2UdRz9DE&t=303s
Joe adds 2 waters and sparks them 4 times (to active the 4th Phase of Elemental matter or FIRE;  as in Earth, Water and Wind being the 1st three. Its a SCIENCE Paul. But not as you know it.

Joe did this demo the first time in front of me at that same table back in 2007. (its at his old house) In the comments someone asks for a transcript. Did you see the guy who stuck his nose on the spoon to 'smell' the water? Joe specifically asks that no one touches this spoon and then this nose sticks itself into Field and he couldnt get it to light and has to start again. They are talking about Charged waters with each of the 2 bottles having a different Charge. There is no alcohol involved. These are the same bottles Joe used for my personal demo of this experiment. I 'tasted' each one just like the guy in the Vid does. No one says there's alcohol involved. It takes 4 sparks to make it burn. Not 1 nor 2 not even 3 but 4 sparks. If there was alcohol, NO sparks would be needed and Joe wouldn't have had to do it again when some nosey guy disrupts the Field Effect in a Mental Universe. Joe copped a lot of flak over this video. So since 2007 and these bottles were used up by drinking and burning, and Joe literally never does the same experiment twice or make the same Cell design again, always seeking to do it differently, I have watched Joe over the last 16 years do this Burning Water experiment more than a Dozen times and here is my video taken in 2013 or so where he AGAIN just uses a DC power source (Ive seen him do it with a near FLAT car battery even) to activate the Memory of Fire within water. Those present in the workshop are my family.

https://rumble.com/vgdio9-burning-water-the-alchemist-way..html
The Spiel.
Joe and I have done this many times. I took my family to see Real Science and Video'd it. Here is that Fathers Day 2015 presentation. It has been witnessed by literally 100's of people over the years. The DC 'electricity' source has come from a flat car battery, a small 12VDC wall charger and in this video, from a Telecom Battery Charger (old school power tech). Mostly we use a car battery as Pure Flat-Line DC works best. This particular Burning Water Video is; The Alchemy of adding Fire to Water using https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-technology/baghdad-battery-0078
You can schedule an Appointment with Joe and see this done anytime. You must bring your own bottled water.
If you doubt this can be done as presented, then the problem is in your Mind. We are here to fix that.
To fully understand what is happening to the Water Structure, one needs a whole new Atomic Theory. It takes the INTENT of the MIND FIELD (Emoto's discoveries) to a whole nuther level. If you can bend spoons, you can learn to do this or vice versa. You have everything you need to be self sufficient, unless you believe in 'electrons', then you are muchly handicapped and pretty much guaranteed to fail to replicate this.The Magi, from Persia, practiced Magic using Magnetics. A Battery is a FLOW of MAGNETIC CURRENT.
One day back in 2013, Maurice, a Gold Miner was negotiating with us to acquire Gold Separation Tech using just "Magnetic Water". As part of the Tech Demo, this 'Burning Water" procedure was done. No matter how many matches were thrown at the water it would not burn on this day. Not until Maurice exited and stood outside the shed could we "light" the water. Gold Miners tend to be greedy 'service to self' people. He wanted ALL the IP, not just Precious Metal extraction. He didnt even know why he failed the interview and there was no way to tell him.

The Tube JoeCell is a device that uses a Battery and electrodes to change the Memory of Water. In this case to the Memory of Fire but it can be the Memory of any 'element' or compound or 'other' liquid.

Joe has a Battery (his grey matter brain) and two 'electrodes' being his Right hand which is a Positive Terminal or electrode and his Left Hand which is a Negative Terminal and he has "Memory" held in his Bio Field and Every Cell in his Body to transfer the Memory of Fire into the Water. Emoto is flat out getting the Water Pattern to be perfect. Its easy to make water burn. Just add it to an OIL fire like the instructions on water fire extinguishers STATE NOT TO DO. So what is it that an oil fire 'adds' to water to make it burn or literally explode? Remembering Teslas quote to understand Burning Water, how ever its done, to understand it, we think in terms of FREQUENCY and Vibration from Joes Fingers is aided with or AMPLIFIED by DC Current Vibrations. Being God Like and Walking the Talk and praying like Emoto says.... helps.

You have everything you need to know to make water BURN or turn it into wine if you just have FAITH in yourself and follow (gods) Laws of Creation. We call this Process "Chemical Emulation" and you can see Carbon Emulated here... https://rumble.com/vhodfb-full-unedited-version-of-oil-from-water..html

Quote from: MerLynn on 2023.08.08, 23:06:46
Since when was the study of God not "scientific"?

This thread is about the Joe Cell. Give Him a special thread.

(For some reason that I have never undertstood, energy forums can attract people who are there primarily to sell religious beliefs rather than for the purpose of the forum).

Quote from: Paul-R on 2023.08.09, 10:33:10
This thread is about the Joe Cell. Give Him a special thread.

(For some reason that I have never undertstood, energy forums can attract people who are there primarily to sell religious beliefs rather than for the purpose of the forum).

That is a misrepresentation of the above post. I'm not religious but I am very interested in the context of the Joe Cell evolution . I see no one selling religion.

Quote from: JimBoot on 2023.08.08, 11:16:45
Merlynn I live in Melbourne. Would the engine be open to be viewed by a curious mind?

Do you have a Level 1 Security Clearance?

In Tasmania there sits this 'motor'.   The Bucket of Charged Water that I put my hand in and it felt like a 1000 cuts with a knife was Charged by a ConeCell. During the (Hyper)Charge process, the water wanted to rotate in the bucket anti-clockwise during charging. Joe picked up a very long screw driver and swirled the water clockwise and watched the water slowly stop turning and begin rotating the other direction. It was a function of Charged Water not anything 'random'. When he threw the screwdriver on the bench, all the metallic items on the bench 'jumped' to the screwdriver. So he investigated this phenomena. As it happened there was a ring magnet on the bench and his masters voice told him to place the screwdriver into the Ring Magnet. Joe was unable to stop the shaft of the screwdriver from rotating in the centre of the Ring magnet. It did NOT attract to the magnet when INSIDE the Field. Joe discovered a new motor.

So he got 2 ring magnets for thickness, and placed them in a lathe and CUPPED them out in their centre. He then took a steel shaft and lathed it in the shape of an Icecream cone of the same bevel as the Cup. Then he swirled this cone in the charged water to magnetise it. This matching cup and cone configuration he then mounted on the input shaft of a Ford panel van instead of the V8 petrol motor. A Lever inside on the dash was used to bring the Cup closer or insert more if it into the Cone making the input shaft of the Gearbox spin. In 4th gear it would spin the tires accelerating from a standing start. A motor with only two magnets and 2 bearing supports. But But But God !!!!!! There is no place for Him in this scientific forum or heaven for christs sake.

With the Ring magnets and the Neutral Washer used to Join the Same Magnetic Poles together, Joe found that this plain mild steel washer would not rust when left in water. The Magnetic In Line Cell should have water kept inside it by valves either end to retain "Memory" of the Mind Program imparted between usages. So this washer is always immersed in water but never rusts even if removed from between the 2 magnets.

This is beyond comprehension of particle science electron brains. it represents a Patentable Method to replace expensive stainless steel. It probably is the Method whereby the Iron Pillar in Delhi never rusts after 1000's of years of exposure to the elements.

The JoeCell.. Brought to you by God through Joe. Like it or Not, its how it happened and it has so many by products, inventions or methodology of usage it is a Revelation in Science. To leave out Gods Hand in the Joecell would be a travesty of miss information by omission.
Joe has in many instances, made Tesla's AC obsolete and the Wheel as well. His Hoverboard works better over water, unlike Michael J Foxes Back to the Future 'hoverboard'. One could surf all the way to Hawaii. Im not trying to sell religion, nor stainless steel components. I am explaining the JoeCell in the JoeCell thread and how it was created or invented into existence. I am not leaving anything out. This is the way it was explained to me and unlike Peter Stevens and Alex Schlfflier I havnet changed it to fit my belief in electrons or orgones or isodopes. Absolutely astounding anyone would see this as a Bannable offense.

Quote from: Paul-R on 2023.08.09, 10:33:10
This thread is about the Joe Cell. Give Him a special thread.

energy forums can attract people who are there primarily to sell religious beliefs rather than for the purpose of the forum

Would not the JoeCell thread be the special thread you are looking for?  You know that Tree in front of the Forest for them with eyes to SEE and FEEL the ENERGY Fields around the JoeCell.

Religion is only a belief system for a community to unite under.
Regardless of what you 'believe' your Belief parameters ARE a RELIGION you live by.
The act if having a 9 to 5 job your whole life becomes a religion. A way of Life.
Religion defines what the group can follow. The difference between a Cult and a Culture is the amount of Land they own according to Frank Zappa. Free Energy Forums ARE a CULT onto themselves where some claim to be the definitive last word on Physical Phenomena and evilution and tranny diversity who join two poles together and get Jack smitzth.

In Fact, Religions have nothing to do with a God or some mythical sky dweller. Bolshevism, communism and capitalism ARE religions.
God enters the equation because SO MANY have 'religious' experiences.
its estimated 5 % of the population have seen what they believe to be an Unidentified Flying Object.
I saw my first as a teenager. I had footsteps in the house and chains rattling in the garage where later I found out someone hanged himself with chains. I have published this Ongoing UFO experience here.
https://metallicman.com/forum?view=topic&id=178&part=3
Apart from the many sightings as a Night Time Varmint hunter back in the 70's I even had an Out of Body (astral) experience after a car wreck that lasted for 20 minutes. It was the first. Close but not quite a near death experience.
In 1988 I built a 3 story Pyramid House aligned True North.
Would 'religion' explain any of the following experiences that in some of these cases many were witness too?
A Fire Place that starts by itself with no wood or matches in the House while we were asleep. (5 witnesses) 2 occurrences. (how do spirits carry wood 100 meters and enter a house to build a fire?)
Doors that open and close while we are eating at the table. many witnesses and many occurrences.
Maids that refuse to be in the house if no one else is there. "There's a Mauri in that bedroom and he doesnt like visitors". He came with the NZ Pine Poles.
Levitating off the bed taking the blankets with her. Witnessed by me. Them dam pesky past life life Lovers from Marie Antoinette's inner circle came visiting. Lemme tell you, the kids moved out of the Pyramid house into the cottage next door the day they finished Boarding school to have a more 'normal' existence. Me? Almost every night I tell the House of Enchantment, to give it a rest, I'm trying to get some sleep.
2 Men in Black with red eyes physically examining my 'being' and vanishing when the wife screamed at them.
One Man in Black doing a Shape shifting performance to satisfy my curiosity about his 'origin', and then we headed to the workshop to turn water into oil and make fire from a lighter go DOWN the water exiting a garden hose. Literally 100's of stories here.
And to this day, I have a 7 foot 'black guy' living (stalking would be a more appropriate word) in my computer room reading everything as I write it. It shuts down the computer if I misrepresent the FACTS. It has to be perfect both historically and scientifically. Paul also prefers his Religion that way.

In 1996 The fun really started after meeting Joe. Joe grilled me for 3 hours about my belief in God. In the end we agreed to a draw, as I concluded with, "For me, the Jury is still out on this God subject as I have too much info after 41 years of experiencing and even playing with the type of Phenomena they make movies out of". Many of these phenomena I have written about before.
You want to understand God... build a Pyramid house and really play with some Energy. Ask and Ye shall receive. No one knows how to actually ask anymore much less Seek to Find. Most here think truth can be found on some forum and when it is... we have to ban God for Christ's sake. I will Post in the Pyramid energy thread when time permits.

So Joe taught me about electricity, water and metallurgy or 'Elementology' or Geology as Petrified Biology, and the very existence of his God. After 9 months of Joe we parted ways for 10 years in Sept 1996. Joe took a 10 year break in Inventing until I came back with the Theoretical of all his Practical plus a few practical experiments of my own. I NOW understood.

In 1997 I teamed up with a 'Man in Black' and he designed the 7 Ringed Array thats marketed today as the Q2 Energy Spa. The Cube, The Aqua Chi and the BEFE unit. Four separate companies spun off from a design scratched on a piece of paper and brought to fruition from a working prototype made in my farm workshop. When one 'asks' for a device to cure everything, after Joe showed me devices (tube and cone Cells) that CURED everything, it is prudent to be careful what one asks for as you might just receive it. Y'all just want to run a car or something for free for christs sake.

Joe came to a Q2 energy spa exhibition at the Italian Club in Brisbane in '97 and as he walked up to the 7 Ringed Array bubbling away he held out his hand some 3 meters away from the bucket of water and said, 'Powerful isnt it? I can feel it all the way out here'. This Energy Manifestation is OBLIVIOUS to most people. How do you describe what they cant see or Feel? How do you describe color to a blind man? How do I describe Electricity to a Brainwashed Over Unity researcher without describing its Creator or the very least how a Baghdad Battery functions and NOT as some 'super capacitor'.

Its not a hard sell, its a Revelation. Mark my words or be marked. Autopsies reveal damage to the Pineal Gland effectively C19Vaxxing one against Spirit or God or the ability to FEEL these Vibrations from 3 meters away. Yes your Pineal Gland is the Sensory Gland for these Spiritual Aetheric Vibrations. Steiner predicted this. Edgar Cayce whom I read extensively in the 70's & 80's read his Bible every day of his life. Cayce said that the Hope for the world (white people after vaxxing 90% of them in the West) will come from Russia after 2020. Yes Russia will save the White race, but selling god is BAD. Understanding Prophecy is BAD. Its a Religion thing and must be BAD. Putin is Bad. These same people who make these labels of "Bad". calls for you to trust the science (not religion or God) and to question the H2O or Electron theory of over unity is Bad. Pons et al is BAD and of course wrong says some tranny poster herein. Just like internet sources say that 5G induces FLU like symptoms of runny nose and sinus soreness with coughing is exactly what I suffered in Vegas last month. Here is the real Science of energy, frequency and vibration for you to fight this globohomo tranny takeover of the world and...... "No" says some... because its a god thing. The 7 ringed array is designed to De-Calcify the Pineal Gland making one better able to train oneself to see Auras and feel these Aetheric Vibrations from 3 meters away. Sort of combining real healing science with meditation like lessons. Inventor, first heal thyself.

The JoeCell is a Mind Opener. My observations have concluded most are too tightly shut and cannot be opened to the reality of ALL the ENERGY Manifestations one can study if one seeks using SPIRIT. Joe had a ConeCell in a bucket in his living room and a car battery for power. He used it for healing and teaching. He would wash it under the kitchen sink, fill it full of water and connect the Battery and it would bubble profusely.  Then he would ask the person present to do the same. When the battery lead was attached to the Cell the battery INSTANTLY went flat thus no bubbles. No spark at all. Then Joe would take a coil and use it to short the battery and it became fully charged again and again the filling and connecting for another flat battery again. The battery did not go flat when Joe connected the Leads but it DID for every other person who was asked to operate the Cell with Joe sitting 3 meters away. If Joe "saw" that you were of such an open mind type to the existence of a Higher CONTROLLER over Physical experimentation's he might tell you your 'wrong think'. Aristotle said the Quintessence Governed or set the Laws by which the 4 Elemental States of Matter interacted. The Quintessence is also known as Tesla's AETHER or the Bibles 'Heaven' or the Mystic Akashic of Edgar Cayce's Records that he used to glean info for his Cures and prophesy. Its not God, its Not Religion, its Universal Laws but humans for some reason, like to 'personify' these Laws as coming from some 'enforcer'. And therein, this 'personification' leads us to the word God. Your God is not the same as my God but the Laws of the Universe are Constant and the same as yesterday, today and tomorrow. One doesnt 'Sell' or even BUY God, one is revealed to Energy Manifestations and one may tell others about such wonders of Magnetic Vibrations being the Source of Energy by Frequency and one can be crucified for doing so if you cure the Blind (Lu Britts wife was blind for 20 years in one eye until Joe Cured it with just a Car Battery) Or Heal the Sick, (Kathy and her Thyroid by a battery) Fix the Lame ( Immersion of Golden Staff in a bucket of water to make this man walk again instead of amputation) I literally can give a 100 testimonials of these MIRACLE Cures using Car Batteries and Water with Stainless Steel antennas. (25,000 7 ringed arrays used by a million people in 25 years equals a lot of miracles) Joe says its God who does the Healing but I prefer the Creation of a Neutral Centre for Aetheric energy to manifest and correct the 'electrical Biology' of disease. Invoking 'god' makes the ConeCell Bubble and do the Healing whereas thinking you are just attaching electrodes to make stage 3 bubbles sees the Battery lose ALL its 'energy'. Its very humbling for some. For others no proof will ever suffice that God exists as a Force to be reckoned with. These types may be on Free energy forums another 10 years and still not figure it out what it actually is they are trying to make more of "mechanically" using Science they can Trust from a group trying to poison them with electrons powering and CREATING the Electric Universe with Birkland thunder bolts. Wall Thornhill Died Suddenly as he too Trusted his own 'science'. In 2015 I posted many times in their forum this Field Science. If you want to join a Cult... this one has no God so is a perfect candidate for the ungodly to evolve into a transhuman or die suddenly eventually.

The JoeCell. A revelation in Scientific Understandings if you really want to know about Scalar or anything over unity.

Like hooking up the electrodes to the Teaching Cell, the instant the Samsung motor is rotated (as described in Cadmans Bench) is Over Unity if you understand the Quintessence as the 'source' of (gods) Universal energy that makes this physical universe, Healing is no longer a Miracle, Scalar is no longer "longitudinal waves' and its a Magnetic Water Universe.

Or one can join every forum looking for them ungodly schematics that will never satisfy one's desire for proof as the vaxxed count the days to their enslavement in a Bio Metric, money metered, monopoly. The End has Begun.

Any Questions?

Quote from: MerLynn on 2023.08.09, 23:06:42
Do you have a Level 1 Security Clearance?

In Tasmania there sits this 'motor'.   The Bucket of Charged Water that I put my hand in and it felt like a 1000 cuts with a knife was Charged by a ConeCell. During the (Hyper)Charge process, the water wanted to rotate in the bucket anti-clockwise during charging. Joe picked up a very long screw driver and swirled the water clockwise and watched the water slowly stop turning and begin rotating the other direction. It was a function of Charged Water not anything 'random'. When he threw the screwdriver on the bench, all the metallic items on the bench 'jumped' to the screwdriver. So he investigated this phenomena. As it happened there was a ring magnet on the bench and his masters voice told him to place the screwdriver into the Ring Magnet. Joe was unable to stop the shaft of the screwdriver from rotating in the centre of the Ring magnet. It did NOT attract to the magnet when INSIDE the Field. Joe discovered a new motor.

So he got 2 ring magnets for thickness, and placed them in a lathe and CUPPED them out in their centre. He then took a steel shaft and lathed it in the shape of an Icecream cone of the same bevel as the Cup. Then he swirled this cone in the charged water to magnetise it. This matching cup and cone configuration he then mounted on the input shaft of a Ford panel van instead of the V8 petrol motor. A Lever inside on the dash was used to bring the Cup closer or insert more if it into the Cone making the input shaft of the Gearbox spin. In 4th gear it would spin the tires accelerating from a standing start. A motor with only two magnets and 2 bearing supports. But But But God !!!!!! There is no place for Him in this scientific forum or heaven for christs sake.

With the Ring magnets and the Neutral Washer used to Join the Same Magnetic Poles together, Joe found that this plain mild steel washer would not rust when left in water. The Magnetic In Line Cell should have water kept inside it by valves either end to retain "Memory" of the Mind Program imparted between usages. So this washer is always immersed in water but never rusts even if removed from between the 2 magnets.

This is beyond comprehension of particle science electron brains. it represents a Patentable Method to replace expensive stainless steel. It probably is the Method whereby the Iron Pillar in Delhi never rusts after 1000's of years of exposure to the elements.

The JoeCell.. Brought to you by God through Joe. Like it or Not, its how it happened and it has so many by products, inventions or methodology of usage it is a Revelation in Science. To leave out Gods Hand in the Joecell would be a travesty of miss information by omission.
Joe has in many instances, made Tesla's AC obsolete and the Wheel as well. His Hoverboard works better over water, unlike Michael J Foxes Back to the Future 'hoverboard'. One could surf all the way to Hawaii. Im not trying to sell religion, nor stainless steel components. I am explaining the JoeCell in the JoeCell thread and how it was created or invented into existence. I am not leaving anything out. This is the way it was explained to me and unlike Peter Stevens and Alex Schlfflier I havnet changed it to fit my belief in electrons or orgones or isodopes. Absolutely astounding anyone would see this as a Bannable offense.

It falls into the category of "cool story bro" if you make an unverifiable claim. It's sounds interesting and good luck in whatever you are doing

Quote from: MerLynn on 2023.08.11, 04:10:22

...Autopsies reveal damage to the Pineal Gland effectively C19Vaxxing one against Spirit or God

...Cayce said that the Hope for the world (white people after vaxxing 90% of them in the West) will come from Russia after 2020.

...Yes Russia will save the White race,

...as the vaxxed count the days to their enslavement in a Bio Metric, money metered, monopoly. The End has Begun.

Any Questions?

Yes. What are your motives? The device was launched in the early 1990s. If the device will power a car or even an electric toothbrush, show Jim.


MODERATORS:
Are you happy with this?

I really do not like the direction in which this thread is going.
Can I please get Moderator status on my thread  ?

Merlyn...there is a lot of noise from your side , with stories and stories , but I think it is time to let JOE(the man from Australia) rest.

If you Merlyn can teach us something or have something to show , please do so  , else I do not see any reason to keep this thread Open.

Thank you.

Quote from: sollaris1989 on 2023.08.11, 21:36:54

Can I please get Moderator status on my thread  ?

A good idea. There are a couple you could ask in the first page of this thread.

Quote from: sollaris1989 on 2023.08.11, 21:36:54

Can I please get Moderator status on my thread  ?


If you Merlyn can teach us something or have something to show , please do so

Thank you.

Quote from: Paul-R on 2023.08.11, 14:51:23
Yes. What are your motives? The device was launched in the early 1990s. If the device will power a car or even an electric toothbrush, show Jim.

Yes Moderators, Can you please start another Thread in the Water as Fuel division titled The Many JoeCells of Joe. or The JoeCell as he taught it to MerLynn or similar. It is possible to be a Moderator of this New JoeCell thread so that those who really want to understand this Genius can without the Noise of the nay sayers.

Thanks in advance.
MerLynn

MerLynn
Here we have people who would like to learn/ witness this transformation/or transmutation
I see you reached out for Dave L( or tried)

One thing which is very odd to read in your posts ( I am confused by this save the white race or something?
Is this exclusive
Or ?
All inclusive ( the technology you wish to present ..
If you will allow some visits or teaching ?
I can ask our host about a builders bench ( which you would moderate)
Is that your plan to teach ?

I can also try to reach Dave
Respectfully
Chet K

Quote from: Chet K on 2023.08.12, 01:45:22
MerLynn
Here we have people who would like to learn/ witness this transformation/or transmutation
I see you reached out for Dave L( or tried)

One thing which is very odd to read in your posts ( I am confused by this save the white race or something?
Is this exclusive
Or ?
All inclusive ( the technology you wish to present ..
If you will allow some visits or teaching ?
I can ask our host about a builders bench ( which you would moderate)
Is that your plan to teach ?

I can also try to reach Dave
Respectfully
Chet K

The white race thing in the year 2020 is a prophesy of Edgar Cayce as an example of of Cayce's ability to predict and heal all from the same source. I could have used many examples as there are 15,000 readings to choose from, but I did make the post relevant to todays world. Perhaps one may now understand why such people were burned at the stake. Now we just ban them them from twitter or such. The truth is never what they want to hear. As with many prophets, Hindsight gives new meaning to his words uttered near 80 years ago.
It was an example of Cayce accessing the AKASHIC records which is another term for Heaven, Aether or the Universal Mind of God. Depending upon whose 'bible' you are reading.

This technology can give one these Gifts of second sight. Better to allude to them before giving the lessons.
This technology replaces every scientific fact man thinks is correct.
I have a couple Russians visiting my Pyramid as I write this to use the JoeCell Hand Cell. I vet people who wish to meet Joe.
I teach any and all magnetic healing.
It is a condition of Joe's that I say it the way he says it. So I do and then translate it into plainer english.

If you read the relevant line of every post, its all there. How to build cells. how to power them up. The sequencing what they mean. And the Aetheric Input to make a Cell function in a Mental Universe. All this is known on many other forums. Yet they dont like the way its going. If I talk about graphene and vaxx its because Joe and I know that this is the only technology that can INERT the Graphene thats being placed in the food and water. Without one's health. YOU have NOTHING. The world is in the first of the 3 stages of Revelation. Denial, Objection and then they accept it as true. We are still in denial and I am trying to avoid the 3rd.

All this aside. If we have such opposition to conventionality and new ideas, then it would be best to have my own bench. Can this be arranged?
And yes Its a teaching bench. There is much to UNlearn before Learning can begin it seems.

MerLynn
Our strongpoint in open source FE community
Are open minded sincere people..

Jimboot is in your part of the world, and is ( like myself and others)
Genuinely interested in learning more .
Can you correspond with Jim ?( send a pm here)

I just hung up a call with him .
Will try to reach out for Dave today or ? ( might take a few days
Respectfully
Chet K

Quote from: JimBoot on 2023.08.11, 11:04:51
It falls into the category of "cool story bro" if you make an unverifiable claim. It's sounds interesting and good luck in whatever you are doing

Well Jim you do live 18 hours drive from Joe's residence. Literally 100's have traveled longer distances to hear what Joe has done next. I have made the trip of 6 hours drive each way, well over a 100 times over the last 27 years. We all go there to see the latest invention INSPIRED by GOD and each and every invention I refer to, literally 100's saw it preform.  Its not UNVERIFIABLE or a cool 'story'. Its REAL, Factual and its the Future (eventually) There is no where else you can contribute with a donation for the Lab expenses to witness any and all these inventions. Your choice to stay at home doesnt make them unverifiable for those who make the effort. Joe has built MANY CELLS and GIFTS them away. I have been gifted 7 so far. I know of many who still use their Cells for the purpose they were designed for.  Joe likes to exchange Gifts. conditions apply of course. Those of us who have received a Gift from God dont shout it to the world, post on Utube, we understand by the Grace of God, why we received these Gifts. Peter Stevens and Alex Schifflier literally "stole" their Cells and You and Sollaris are the Products of this Theft. Actions have consequences.
Finally the Truth about "EVERYTHING JOECELL" has arrived .... And it is a cool story bro.

Even Peter Stevens found the Truth in the end.... thankyou Lynn well spoken and i agree with you i understand Zero but Gods love which is important to give freely in the interchange of minds connected in our lives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNfi57D778w

Quote from: sollaris1989 on 2023.08.11, 21:36:54
I really do not like the direction in which this thread is going.

I think it is time to let JOE(the man from Australia) rest.

If you Merlyn can teach us something or have something to show , please do so  , else I do not see any reason to keep this thread Open.

Thank you.

and you're not happy with this 'direction'. Really you should hang your head in shame over what this Holy Man has Gifted to the World. Do you have any idea the number of people who came to Joe's House for HEALING and not his inventions. HUNDREDS. Joe has told me of nearly every person/case and how their own personal miracle helped them. Where do Miracles come from? Some level of Magic or Technology or Higher source? This is the Science of the Kabalian or Hermes Trismegistus that BUILT everything in stone that poor brain dead humans cant get past slaves pounding rocks together for a perfect fit. Built before Brass tools were even invented. You are clearly missing something here. Is it any wonder you havent a Clue about JoeCell's origin or why they exist, that you now are violently opposed to?

The problem of course has always been, the inability to reverse engineer a device designed by GOD, built by a Follower of God and operates on God Science. (A device designed by Intuition, built by an Intuitive person that uses Magnetic Fields only visible by one who has this Gift of God of Second Sight to SEE these magnetic Fields and how to play with them)  Without such operating IP they cant be reproduced in your workshop as you have a problem with this GOD thing. Its not hard to understand and when one finally 'gets it' even life becomes more fun.

I am TEACHING everyone, how to reverse engineer the Impossible. Made impossible by closed minds only.

I am astounded that you havent learnt something "new" from the teachings I have already given. I would surmise that you cannot recognize pearls that are caste before your holy personage or you havent read any other post, SilverJoe Thread or link I authored.

Tesla's ENTIRE science is Based upon the Baghdad Battery. Without the invention of the Battery, there can be NO coil of battery Direct Current to magnetize iron to rotate past a copper coil and to CREATE Alternating Current. Never thought if it that way have you?

Most JoeCells are a Battery. The TubeCell that ran a Car is a very neat Battery. This new method of constructing a Battery will give rise to millions of new inventions if one has an open mind. Joe's Battery is a Scalar Battery or an Aetheric Non Hertzian energy Battery. Joe insists I use the word GOD to explain it. I would rather update the idea of God, but its not science apparently it seems which ever way I do it. Your Grey Matter is a Scalar Non Hertzian Battery. Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger

This will be my last post on this thread. After buying in, its time to sell out. The moderators MUST lock this thread as it cannot go anywhere positive under this 'initiative' of denying the source for this thread, much less the total lack of understandings that must be corrected for any meaningful further Insights to the many JoeCells, that one can build.

To be honest though, I was about done with the laborious theory part of how these are god science Cells or Batteries with their unique operational instructions, but will continue in another thread their design parameters.

Please Upwise yourself if y'all wish to follow into another thread where your questions will be most welcome.