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Don Smith, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications.

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Regards Sil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNF1WBYNJA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWIQXbocnwY

Burst pulse pic I think this is how it's supposed to look.

Quote from: Vasik041 on 2021.12.18, 15:00:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNF1WBYNJA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWIQXbocnwY

   Vasik:  Seam like he's got the signals right, but I don't really see any additional light from his bulb. Am I missing something?
Remember that I mentioned that unless 300 to 500w loads are used on the output, you won't be able to tell if there is really any interaction, or gain.
Or if it's just the addition gain from the addition of the Kacher signal, but with no OU to be found. Nor does he show it self running, without the batteries.

   NickZ

Nick found this will interest you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqFFdvheW1U

    AG:
    Yes, that is interesting, if true. But, he does not show it running WITHOUT a power supply, nor batteries, so I still am not very convinced from that short video, as yet. And, All they are selling are the schematics, but NO device. Why is that? Maybe, because it does not self run? And they want to just make some money on a false schematic?
   I don't have enough 12v batteries to test to see if instead of the feed back loop going to a PS, it should maybe go to two 12v batteries, instead.
And to have no PS on the feed back loop. In any case their $50 schematic, is not much to risk. And perhaps it works, who knows...
   At least that video is new, instead of watching videos that are now several years old, with no improvements or follow ups, to date. And all the inventors have vanished, never to be heard from again.
  It's hard to get excited over a video when there are nothing but fakes and scams going on, in the internet.

   NickZ

You might want to read this file in Google Chrome.

Во-первых я тебе ничего не должен , это раз ! Во вторых ...если у людей руки не от туда растут ,это проблема их. Я рассказал как это делается и показал !!! А насчёт судов и так далее ... Я даже не парюсь ! За меня всё сделают юристы . Я верну свой генератор и запущу его как два пальца .....! Теперь ещё один момент... Ты сейчас тут написал что не собирал ?! Так ? Значит ты ждёшь готовенькое ? Понимаешь ... Пока ты сам не начнёшь соображать и что-то делать,никто тебе ничего тут не даст. Нет таких людей ! Говорю же , займись делом , а не сиди тут и сплетни не слушай. Будет не легко ,но хочу тебя заверить что системы работают на все 10 000 %

Я расписал все подсказки уже много раз. Не думайте что произойдёт чудо и Вы так легко всё сделаете. Никто просто так от балды ничего не даст. думать головой нужно самим. Я работаю уже с 2013 года , при этом подрываю здоровье своё и кучу денег иногда в трубу . Рискую многим .... Вам этого не понять ! При этом я рассказываю и навожу на мысли. Но почему то никто не прислушивается , а всё время орёт : " Дай схему, дай Схему ..." А самое смешное что в это дело лезут люди ,не имеющие никакого отношения к электронике и радиолюбительству .... Агрономы разные, врачи .... Покупающие осциллографы и детали не зная даже применения им... !

А с чего вы взяли что это бифеляр резонирует ?  Запомните раз и навсегда !!!  Высокочастотный трансформатор не может быть многослойным . Ибо первый слой передающий, а второй принимающий. Или наоборот !  Это раз... !  2 . Попробуйте ко намотать двойную Теслу и запустить ...  будет работать ? НЕТ !!!   Эффект стоячей волны может быть только в длинном проводнике , или смотанном в катушку виток к витку . Я уже рассказывал про то как Тесла  сравнивал воду с электричеством. На водяной глади нельзя создать ещё одну.... Тут тоже самое !   Значит биф мотается поверх , а снизу Тесла    Дальше соображайте !
 
Какие нахрен рыбки ? Вы всё в осциллограф пялитесь ? Зачем ? Забейте на все эти показания приборов.Используй осциллограф только для проверки частоты и импульсов...Т.е. их наличие в схеме. остальное замерять не надо . 2. Где по вашему холодный конец Бифа ? Что за фигня ? Биф мотается для того чтобы один слой работал как трансформация, а другой как фильтр ! Трансформатор на воздухе не может быть многослойным... Иначе он просто не будет работать как полагается. Я это уже сказал не раз...Но почему то вы не можете связать мои объяснения по каждому элементу отдельно ?! Куда вы все спешите то ? Ещё раз говорю что в этой системе всё похоже на обычный генератор . Но усилие толкания тока(магнитного поля) в катушке для наведения ЭДС делает ТЕСЛА ток и стоячая волна. Допустим стоят две Теслы .. Приём-передача ... В системе можно обойтись и одной этой катушкой. Но тогда надо делать по системе Капанадзе ! То есть загнать в резонанс стоячей волны . А это тупо подбирать конденсаторы для разрядника. Не очень эффективно и удобно. будет всё гулять и выходное напряжение тоже. Потому лучше использовать Теслу для наведения высоковольтного напряжения + частота приёмной Теслы что находиться под вашей катушкой. Просто если вы Акулу пытаетесь повторить...То там он хитро спрятал эту Теслу и я когда искал как создать эту волну в первом слое Бифа , замучился до жути. Система конечно работала ,но геморройно и не стабильно . На самом деле на выходе у Акулиной установки 100 Гц и 209 вольт было Моя последняя разработка на катушке зажигания тоже работала по тому же принципу. Катушка давала импульс с частотой следования 50 Гц . Потому там на выходе чистые 50 Гц и 230 вольт . Так как именно управляя Теслой вы получаете раскачку тока наводя ЭДС , другими словами крутите магнитное поле в катушке или вибрация туда сюда с частотой 50 Гц .... Помните слова Капанадзе ? Когда вы поймёте что это так просто , вы будите смеяться ... Делайте выводы

Чую что начинаете понимать ! Но ! именно нижняя обмотка и есть резонатор стоячей волны !!! Но это не приходящая обмотка , а Тесла . Всё что на неё подают ...Типа Дали и остальные... Это возможно ! Например 25 ватт Акула в Германии . Точно такое же чудо делал и я для штатов и у Лорда на канале есть этот девайс. Он в Америке и там его запускали сами американцы. Но у меня там получилось снять 40 ватт и даже чуть больше. Но есть минус .... Тесла там при перевозке изнасилована компанией по перевозке (швырянию посылок) В общем не важно .... Капанадзе говорил про то что это всё доступно каждому и патенты весят в нете в свободном скачивании. Там же есть и ротовертр (Динамо-машина) Тоже кстати одна из этой оперы....

Так ребята !   Я скажу Вам всем проще. Если вы хотите что либо собрать ,не гонитесь за мощностями. А значит накачка годиться простая без резонанса. Тупа магнитное переменное поле ! Далее ...Расположите катушки так чтобы одна катушка своими полем не складывалась с другой. То есть сдвинуто надо сделать. Иначе ОЭДС будет мешать !  Теперь вспоминаем Теслу и когда подносим к ней лист подключенный через лампочку на землю... Что мы наблюдаем ? Ответ правильный !  Лампочка светиться    Этот ток вам и нужен !  Теперь наводя этим всем на вашу катушку ,конец которой заземлён ... Вы делаете магнитное поле продольное(толкающее ) и поперечное ,создающее поток движения !  Я же говорил что генератор БТГ работает как обычный генератор . Значит Тесла толкает ток или другими словами продольным полем сталкивает или переносит магнитное поле отрывая его от накачки. ОЭДС нет !  Ничего не мешает и сопротивления тоже нет !  Как у нас по классике ? Токи по бокам катушки ?!  Воот ! Бока то не совпадают 
А теперь сделайте управляемую Теслу ! То есть прерывайте толкание тока с частотой ниже накачки. Это и есть движение тока !!!  Ну догадайтесь же уже наконец блин....
Сколько можно говорить то ?
 

Не могу сказать про алюминий ничего. Не пробовал !  Нужно настроить в резонанс Теслу и приём ...Чтобы появился ток . Гранаты мотать не надо. Всё равно не знаете зачем и что они делают. Тупа мотаешь один слой длинный ,другой чуть короче. Всё одним проводом. Длинная катушка накачивает магнитное поле , короткая снимает. если не хватает напряжения , докинь с преобразователя. Но выход должен быть отфильтрован по ВЧ. Иначе твой резонанс уплывёт

Лучше найди ферриты 2000НМ . И сооруди как СР делал. Намного лучше будет для начала и понимания процессов. Напоминаю что работает электромагнитная стоячая волна !!!  Из-за сложения волн мы получаем увеличение магнитного поля , а там и его действие !   Антенна же тоже может усиливать ?  Моя тема - передачи в эфир. Я собирал не мало передатчиков и антенн. К сожалению самодельные конструкции этого всего нельзя использовать в современном радиовещании,но знаю я про это всё. Можно поставить хорошую антенную систему и не жечь электричество  на киловатты в фидер. Тут в генераторах что то подобное ...!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUuuCLbYs4

The Ruslan comments are from this clip posts..

You can try this also

http://matri-x.ru/forum/index.php/topic/1769-%d0%b3%d0%b5%d0%bd%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%b0%d1%82%d0%be%d1%80-%d1%80%d1%83%d1%81%d0%bb%d0%b0%d0%bd%d0%b0-%d0%ba%d1%83%d0%bb%d0%b0%d0%b1%d1%83%d1%85%d0%be%d0%b2%d0%b0/#entry260606

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2021.12.29, 00:57:09
You might want to read this file in Google Chrome.

Во-первых я тебе ничего не должен , это раз ! Во вторых ...если у людей руки не от туда растут ,это проблема их. Я рассказал как это делается и показал !!! А насчёт судов и так далее ... Я даже не парюсь ! За меня всё сделают юристы . Я верну свой генератор и запущу его как два пальца .....! Теперь ещё один момент... Ты сейчас тут написал что не собирал ?! Так ? Значит ты ждёшь готовенькое ? Понимаешь ... Пока ты сам не начнёшь соображать и что-то делать,никто тебе ничего тут не даст. Нет таких людей ! Говорю же , займись делом , а не сиди тут и сплетни не слушай. Будет не легко ,но хочу тебя заверить что системы работают на все 10 000 %

Я расписал все подсказки уже много раз. Не думайте что произойдёт чудо и Вы так легко всё сделаете. Никто просто так от балды ничего не даст. думать головой нужно самим. Я работаю уже с 2013 года , при этом подрываю здоровье своё и кучу денег иногда в трубу . Рискую многим .... Вам этого не понять ! При этом я рассказываю и навожу на мысли. Но почему то никто не прислушивается , а всё время орёт : " Дай схему, дай Схему ..." А самое смешное что в это дело лезут люди ,не имеющие никакого отношения к электронике и радиолюбительству .... Агрономы разные, врачи .... Покупающие осциллографы и детали не зная даже применения им... !

А с чего вы взяли что это бифеляр резонирует ?  Запомните раз и навсегда !!!  Высокочастотный трансформатор не может быть многослойным . Ибо первый слой передающий, а второй принимающий. Или наоборот !  Это раз... !  2 . Попробуйте ко намотать двойную Теслу и запустить ...  будет работать ? НЕТ !!!   Эффект стоячей волны может быть только в длинном проводнике , или смотанном в катушку виток к витку . Я уже рассказывал про то как Тесла  сравнивал воду с электричеством. На водяной глади нельзя создать ещё одну.... Тут тоже самое !   Значит биф мотается поверх , а снизу Тесла    Дальше соображайте !
 
Какие нахрен рыбки ? Вы всё в осциллограф пялитесь ? Зачем ? Забейте на все эти показания приборов.Используй осциллограф только для проверки частоты и импульсов...Т.е. их наличие в схеме. остальное замерять не надо . 2. Где по вашему холодный конец Бифа ? Что за фигня ? Биф мотается для того чтобы один слой работал как трансформация, а другой как фильтр ! Трансформатор на воздухе не может быть многослойным... Иначе он просто не будет работать как полагается. Я это уже сказал не раз...Но почему то вы не можете связать мои объяснения по каждому элементу отдельно ?! Куда вы все спешите то ? Ещё раз говорю что в этой системе всё похоже на обычный генератор . Но усилие толкания тока(магнитного поля) в катушке для наведения ЭДС делает ТЕСЛА ток и стоячая волна. Допустим стоят две Теслы .. Приём-передача ... В системе можно обойтись и одной этой катушкой. Но тогда надо делать по системе Капанадзе ! То есть загнать в резонанс стоячей волны . А это тупо подбирать конденсаторы для разрядника. Не очень эффективно и удобно. будет всё гулять и выходное напряжение тоже. Потому лучше использовать Теслу для наведения высоковольтного напряжения + частота приёмной Теслы что находиться под вашей катушкой. Просто если вы Акулу пытаетесь повторить...То там он хитро спрятал эту Теслу и я когда искал как создать эту волну в первом слое Бифа , замучился до жути. Система конечно работала ,но геморройно и не стабильно . На самом деле на выходе у Акулиной установки 100 Гц и 209 вольт было Моя последняя разработка на катушке зажигания тоже работала по тому же принципу. Катушка давала импульс с частотой следования 50 Гц . Потому там на выходе чистые 50 Гц и 230 вольт . Так как именно управляя Теслой вы получаете раскачку тока наводя ЭДС , другими словами крутите магнитное поле в катушке или вибрация туда сюда с частотой 50 Гц .... Помните слова Капанадзе ? Когда вы поймёте что это так просто , вы будите смеяться ... Делайте выводы

Чую что начинаете понимать ! Но ! именно нижняя обмотка и есть резонатор стоячей волны !!! Но это не приходящая обмотка , а Тесла . Всё что на неё подают ...Типа Дали и остальные... Это возможно ! Например 25 ватт Акула в Германии . Точно такое же чудо делал и я для штатов и у Лорда на канале есть этот девайс. Он в Америке и там его запускали сами американцы. Но у меня там получилось снять 40 ватт и даже чуть больше. Но есть минус .... Тесла там при перевозке изнасилована компанией по перевозке (швырянию посылок) В общем не важно .... Капанадзе говорил про то что это всё доступно каждому и патенты весят в нете в свободном скачивании. Там же есть и ротовертр (Динамо-машина) Тоже кстати одна из этой оперы....

Так ребята !   Я скажу Вам всем проще. Если вы хотите что либо собрать ,не гонитесь за мощностями. А значит накачка годиться простая без резонанса. Тупа магнитное переменное поле ! Далее ...Расположите катушки так чтобы одна катушка своими полем не складывалась с другой. То есть сдвинуто надо сделать. Иначе ОЭДС будет мешать !  Теперь вспоминаем Теслу и когда подносим к ней лист подключенный через лампочку на землю... Что мы наблюдаем ? Ответ правильный !  Лампочка светиться    Этот ток вам и нужен !  Теперь наводя этим всем на вашу катушку ,конец которой заземлён ... Вы делаете магнитное поле продольное(толкающее ) и поперечное ,создающее поток движения !  Я же говорил что генератор БТГ работает как обычный генератор . Значит Тесла толкает ток или другими словами продольным полем сталкивает или переносит магнитное поле отрывая его от накачки. ОЭДС нет !  Ничего не мешает и сопротивления тоже нет !  Как у нас по классике ? Токи по бокам катушки ?!  Воот ! Бока то не совпадают 
А теперь сделайте управляемую Теслу ! То есть прерывайте толкание тока с частотой ниже накачки. Это и есть движение тока !!!  Ну догадайтесь же уже наконец блин....
Сколько можно говорить то ?
 

Не могу сказать про алюминий ничего. Не пробовал !  Нужно настроить в резонанс Теслу и приём ...Чтобы появился ток . Гранаты мотать не надо. Всё равно не знаете зачем и что они делают. Тупа мотаешь один слой длинный ,другой чуть короче. Всё одним проводом. Длинная катушка накачивает магнитное поле , короткая снимает. если не хватает напряжения , докинь с преобразователя. Но выход должен быть отфильтрован по ВЧ. Иначе твой резонанс уплывёт

Лучше найди ферриты 2000НМ . И сооруди как СР делал. Намного лучше будет для начала и понимания процессов. Напоминаю что работает электромагнитная стоячая волна !!!  Из-за сложения волн мы получаем увеличение магнитного поля , а там и его действие !   Антенна же тоже может усиливать ?  Моя тема - передачи в эфир. Я собирал не мало передатчиков и антенн. К сожалению самодельные конструкции этого всего нельзя использовать в современном радиовещании,но знаю я про это всё. Можно поставить хорошую антенную систему и не жечь электричество  на киловатты в фидер. Тут в генераторах что то подобное ...!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUuuCLbYs4

The Ruslan comments are from this clip posts..

First of all, I don't owe you anything, this time!  Secondly ... if people's hands do not grow from there, this is their problem.  I told you how to do it and showed it !!!  And about ships and so on ... I'm not even worried!  Lawyers will do everything for me.  I'll get my generator back and run it like two fingers .....!  Now one more thing ... You just wrote here that you did not collect ?!  So ?  So you are waiting for the ready-made?  You see ... Until you yourself begin to think and do something, no one will give you anything here.  There are no such people!  I say, get down to business, and do not sit here and do not listen to gossip.  It will not be easy, but I want to assure you that the systems work at all 10,000%

I have covered all the tips many times already.  Do not think that a miracle will happen and you will do everything so easily.  Nobody will give anything from the bulldozer just like that.  you need to think with your head yourself.  I have been working since 2013, while undermining my health and sometimes a lot of money down the drain.  I'm risking a lot .... You can't understand this!  At the same time, I tell and bring to thoughts.  But for some reason no one listens, and all the time yells: "Give me a diagram, give me a diagram ..." And the funny thing is that people who have nothing to do with electronics and radio amateurs are getting into this business ...  .. Buying oscilloscopes and parts without even knowing their application ...!

And where did you get the idea that this bifelar resonates?  Remember once and for all !!!  A high frequency transformer cannot be multi-layer.  For the first layer is transmitting, and the second is receiving.  Or vice versa !  This time ...!  2.  Try to coil a double Tesla and run ... will it work?  NO !!!  The standing wave effect can only be in a long conductor, or wound into a coil turn to turn.  I have already talked about how Tesla compared water to electricity.  You cannot create another one on the surface of the water .... It's the same here!  So the beef is dangling on top, and Tesla from below. Think further!
 
What the fuck are fish?  Are you all staring at the oscilloscope?  What for ?  Just use the oscilloscope to check the frequency and impulses ...  their presence in the scheme.  the rest does not need to be measured.  2. Where do you think is the cold end of Biff?  What the hell is this?  The beef is wound so that one layer works as a transformation, and the other as a filter!  A transformer in air cannot be multi-layered ... Otherwise, it simply will not work as expected.  I have already said this more than once ... But why can't you link my explanations for each element separately ?!  Where are you all in a hurry then?  Once again I say that in this system everything looks like a regular generator.  But the effort of pushing the current (magnetic field) in the coil for induction of the EMF is made by TESLA current and a standing wave.  Let's say there are two Teslas .. Reception-transmission ... In the system, you can do with this one coil.  But then you have to do it according to the Kapanadze system!  That is, drive a standing wave into resonance.  And it is stupid to select capacitors for a spark gap.  Not very efficient or convenient.  everything will walk and the output voltage too.  Therefore, it is better to use Tesla to induce high voltage + the frequency of the receiving Tesla that is under your coil.  It's just that if you are trying to repeat the Shark ... Then there he cleverly hid this Tesla, and when I was looking for how to create this wave in the first layer of Biff, I was terribly tortured.  The system certainly worked, but hemorrhoids and not stable.  In fact, the output of the Akulina's setup was 100 Hz and 209 volts. My latest development on the ignition coil also worked on the same principle.  The coil gave a pulse with a repetition rate of 50 Hz.  Therefore, there are pure 50 Hz and 230volts at the output.  Since it is by controlling Tesla that you get a buildup of current by inducing an EMF,
By using Tesla, you get a surge of current by inducing an EMF, in other words, twist the magnetic field in the coil or vibration back and forth with a frequency of 50 Hz .... Do you remember the words of Kapanadze?  When you understand that it is so simple, you will laugh ... Draw conclusions

I feel that you are beginning to understand!  But !  it is the lower winding that is the standing wave resonator !!!  But this is not an incoming winding, but Tesla.  Everything that is served on her ... Like Dali and the rest ... It's possible!  For example a 25 watt Shark in Germany.  I did exactly the same miracle for the states and the Lord on the channel has this device.  It is in America and there it was launched by the Americans themselves.  But I managed to remove 40 watts there and even a little more.  But there is a minus .... Tesla was raped there during transportation by a company for transportation (throwing parcels) In general, it does not matter .... Kapanadze said that all this is available to everyone and patents weigh in the net in free download.  There is also a rotovertr (Dynamo-machine) Also, by the way, one of this opera ...

So guys!  I'll tell you all in a simpler way.  If you want to collect something, don't chase power.  This means that the pumping is suitable for a simple one without resonance.  The magnetic alternating field is stupid!  Next ... Arrange the coils so that one coil does not fold over the other with its fields.  That is, it must be done shifted.  Otherwise, the OEDS will interfere!  Now we remember Tesla and when we bring a leaf to it connected through a light bulb to the ground ... What do we observe?  The answer is correct!  The light is on. This is the current you need!  Now, directing all this to your coil, the end of which is grounded ... You make a longitudinal (pushing) and transverse magnetic field, creating a flow of motion!  I told you that the BTG generator works like a normal generator.  This means Tesla pushes the current or, in other words, collides or transfers the magnetic field with a longitudinal field, detaching it from the pumping.  OEDS no!  Nothing interferes and there is no resistance either!  How is our classics?  Currents on the sides of the coil ?!  Whoa!  The sides do not match
Now make a controlled Tesla!  That is, interrupt the pushing current at a frequency below pumping.  This is the movement of the current !!!  Well, guess what, damn it finally ...
How long can you say that?
 

I can't say anything about aluminum.  Have not tried it!  It is necessary to tune Tesla and the reception into resonance ... For a current to appear.  There is no need to wind grenades.  You still don't know why and what they are doing.  Stupid you wind one long layer, the other a little shorter.  All with one wire.  The long coil pumps up the magnetic field, the short one removes.  if there is not enough voltage, drop it off the converter.  But the output must be RF filtered.  Otherwise your resonance will float away

Better find ferrites 2000NM.  And build as the SR did.  It will be much better to start and understand the processes.  I remind you that the electromagnetic standing wave is working !!!  Due to the addition of the waves, we get an increase in the magnetic field, and then its effect!  Can the antenna also amplify?  My topic is broadcasts.  I collected quite a few transmitters and antennas.  Unfortunately, homemade constructions of all this cannot be used in modern radio broadcasting, but I know all about it.  You can put a good antenna system and not burn electricity per kilowatts into the feeder.  There is something like that in the generators ...! "

Here is an old posting from Vasik41

Does did any one make this device ? Do you have a scope shot from the output device of the circuit shown ?

Many thank Sil

   BTW...
  Did you manage to scare off F6???
  I miss him already...

   NickZ

Well Tell me your exact DOB  ;D

   Well, I can tell you that he's back...
   Well, he was back... did you scare him off again?

   NickZ

1/. Do you think  Tesla got a helping hand from Fleming ? Work that one out.
2/.The high voltage is used to loosen the the particles we want to excelorate, and the higher frequency increases the efficiency.

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.05.21, 09:33:56
1/. Do you think  Tesla got a helping hand from Fleming ? Work that one out.
2/.The high voltage is used to loosen the the particles we want to excelorate, and the higher frequency increases the efficiency.

   AG:  Well, the idea is that the HV, HF from the Kacher circuit, is meant to interrupt the induction circuit's pulse. Not to "loosen" particles. Not to add anything to the system, but to interrupt the push pull's signal, and excite the surrounding ambient, thereby.
There is much more to it, than that, but I will continue this discussion on my new bench to discuss these things more in depth.

   However, to me the effect of cutting off or interrupting the induction circuit pulse, works the same as pinching a hose, and quickly letting it go. A higher pressure will result, in both cases. As an increase in pressure (or voltage in our case), is what we are looking for.
In any case that is how I see it, and is what I am aiming for.

   NickZ

The high voltage from kacher is to create environment for the acceleration of electrons in the removable coil( grenade coil) . Hence the hissing sound you here in working device.

It will appear that the voltage stepped up, it's actually adding current. The push pull does not have enough power to sustain the system, but when current is added.

Maxolous

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.05.21, 09:33:56
1/. Do you think  Tesla got a helping hand from Fleming ? Work that one out.
2/.The high voltage is used to loosen the the particles we want to accelerate, and the higher frequency increases the efficiency.

In one of the Smith video talks (over the phone)  he talks about
the Tesla coil being like Saturn and its rings and switching to using magnetics 'Fleming's right hand rule or left hand rule depending
on where you are in the world, I tried winding two coils at 90 deg angle but didn't get very much but real Tesla coils work fine like that
but with no ferrite it's difficult to separate the magnetics from electron flow, notice voltage and current are 90 deg phase shift.

I just thought it was best for you to see what was going on.
perhaps as you chatted to Vasic see what he thinks

Me when ever i have got involved it hasn't been too good !

Regards Sil

Max  Apcore at the risk of backlash else where I recently  got my old test rig out  and blew up one of the old
IGBT's up in the output (so-much for protection circuit) and replaced both with IRFP150's.

I have loaded the 5 turn current winding with a 10W 12V filament bulb and the 38 turn winding with
240 V led bulb. that is fitted with HS bridge rect large electrolytic cap.

On switch on i get a dim glow on the quarts tube and nothing on the 240 V Led but slowly
they both get brighter and brighter until they reach a very bright maximum, but the .9 Amp current
doesn't change. I have no earth and no grenade fitted at this time. O0

PS What Nick says about me building stuff.   ;D
Sil

AG,

Nick locked me out from is moderated thread because I don't agree with is  belief that the device doesn't need standing wave. Poor Nickz. I guess he doesn't know what he is saying. He is just in search of simple things to get his device working.

Nikola Tesla wrote about standing waves and their importance in electrical engineering in his paper titled "On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomena" published in 1893. He is the originator of all these.

I wonder what Nickz is thinking anyway. He doesn't like complex things. Geofusion that he is emulating had done much research beyond a simple kacher and grenade coil. Geo was the first I saw talked about interruptor circuit when I picked interest in this device.

Some persons are here deceiving themselves.


Maxolous

Unfortunately  a certain person has locked guys out of a similar thread, I feel we must keep this tread open with your help.

Quote from: Maxolous on 2023.06.18, 20:00:09
AG,

Nick locked me out from is moderated thread because I don't agree with is  belief that the device doesn't need standing wave. Poor Nickz. I guess he doesn't know what he is saying. He is just in search of simple things to get his device working.

Nikola Tesla wrote about standing waves and their importance in electrical engineering in his paper titled "On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomena" published in 1893. He is the originator of all these.

I wonder what Nickz is thinking anyway. He doesn't like complex things. Geofusion that he is emulating had done much research beyond a simple kacher and grenade coil. Geo was the first I saw talked about interruptor circuit when I picked interest in this device.

Some persons are here deceiving themselves.


Maxolous

Hi Max,
I also can't acces the thread.
When nick doesn't change his own attitude no one will post something again at his most important thread.
But I think he is capable enough to get his decor piece in selfrunning mode.

I wish him all the best.

Ape

So lets talk standingwaves.
The goal is to get the standing wave in resonance..
In my opinion a standing wave only occurs when at minimum a 1/4 wave fits the wirelength. (1/2, 3/4, snd so one)

Without this wirelength/ frequency match no standing wave occurs.
Trick is to tune the coil so this frequency becomes its resonance frequency also

Quote from: Apecore on 2023.06.19, 06:40:36
Hi Max,
I also can't acces the thread.
When nick doesn't change his own attitude no one will post something again at his most important thread.
But I think he is capable enough to get his decor piece in selfrunning mode.

I wish him all the best.

Ape

So lets talk standingwaves.
The goal is to get the standing wave in resonance..
In my opinion a standing wave only occurs when at minimum a 1/4 wave fits the wirelength. (1/2, 3/4, snd so one)

Without this wirelength/ frequency match no standing wave occurs.
Trick is to tune the coil so this frequency becomes its resonance frequency also

Apecore

Nice to hear from you. I don't know what's wrong with Nickz. He never want to make any alterations on his device . He doesn't agree with others opinion. To him his build is the best. I believe it has become his shrine..

Oh yes,
Wavelength to match Natural frequency is a good way to go in this device. If resonance is achieved in the natural frequency is an added advantage.

Maxolous

Quote from: Maxolous on 2023.06.19, 08:14:09
Apecore

Nice to hear from you. I don't know what's wrong with Nickz. He never want to make any alterations on his device . He doesn't agree with others opinion. To him his build is the best. I believe it has become his shrine..

Oh yes,
Wavelength to match Natural frequency is a good way to go in this device. If resonance is achieved in the natural frequency is an added advantage.

Maxolous

So do we agree when we have double resonance in a grenade it benefits?
I have a US patent describing this.. it is layed out for pancake coils but in general its fits in every coil config.

   Ok guys: Your responses are getting very sick. I have done nothing of the sort to remove any one of you,  at all.
Instead, I have been waiting patiently for any of you to show something that you are working on, and to quit insulting me. So, now I can see your true colors, concerning what you think of me.
  I removed AG's last post, yes, after I asked him to be polite, he just keeps on with his insult, same with Max, and now even apecore.
All this over some waves that you feel are  important, but  have not shown anything to proof your point, at all.
So, now you want me to change MY attitude, or else. Well that is not going to work, and as none of you are into building anything, you just waste my time with these stupid accusations.
I will sensor anyone that post insulting comments, that is why I started this moderated thread, to be able to control these types of posts. No one is forcing you to do anything, but I will not put up with your insults here.

   NickZ

Mote from Sil  Tread admin
Please stop trolling and disrupting this tread. You keep disrupting your own thread by deleting others related posts.

well other wise its like trying to hit a target while going round and round a merry go round  :)

Sil

I know it can be difficult to be tolerant and not so sensitive, but I see see opportunities for both here.

Welcome debate and the various perspectives being offered, and maybe most important of all, don't let pride get in the way of learning something new.

I think you guys can all do a bit better.

Cheers.

   Yes, I agree. But, this is not about "pride",  but about respect instead. You are asking me to be tolerant of these personal insults?
  The point is that I am being blamed for an error made by the ADMIN. Or this site, not me.
I have removed NO ONE,  nor am I keeping them from posting. as they think.
  I have asked them to be polite and quit the insults, that is all. But, it has gotten even worse, now.
  I am trying to avoid flame wars, instead. I hope that some of you understand. We were doing fine, untill now

   NickZ


  AG: Why don't you go and make your continuing insulting and distracting comments on your own thread, instead of trying your best to ruin mine. You are one of the main reasons that I had to make a moderated thread. But, you keep at it...Same with you Max.

Quote from: Apecore on 2023.06.19, 12:08:03
So do we agree when we have double resonance in a grenade it benefits?
I have a US patent describing this.. it is layed out for pancake coils but in general its fits in every coil config.

Of course yes.
The inductor drives the grenade to resonate at it natural frequency and the Tesla and it antenna impinge on it with the same resonance frequency.

Maxolous

AG
Please remove this if ?
Nick
Is there a problem where you say admin is removing offensive posts from your topic ( not you doing it ?)
Shows almost 45-50 posts removed from your topic ( mostly Aliengrey)

Or are members being blocked at your topic ?

Needs clarity ( in case there is a bug in forum ?)

No one but you is moderating your bench
And I am personally unaware of blocking members here from posting in benches (?)
I can ask Peter later)

   Ramset: 
  I don't have any idea about what is going on.
I did remove AGs last comment, after asking him to be polite, that is all. And I told him so.
Why this thread now appears in two places, and guys are stating that they can't post is beyond me.
Nor did I delete 40 or more of AGs previous posts. Just one. Even though at times I'd like to, I did not do that.
Also this thread is called Aliens workbench. Now, it has Aliens Akula Ruslan Stalker device,  discussion and replication. And then it has something else, etc.
I did NOT do that, either, nor have I blocked anybody, ever.
But, it tells me who my friends are here. And what they think.

   NickZ

This is an old thread in AG's bench
I guess AG was removing his own posts from your bench?

I'm on road ATM

Hard to follow

Maybe a fresh start?
All who carry water for this open source cause .....
Respectfully
Chet
PS
Please try to find out if persons are actually blocked on your bench
(They should make a test post)
EDIT
Could be confusion caused by similar tittles ?
??
I don't think you can block posters here ( uncertain will ask Peter later)

I didn't chang the name of 'work bench till this junch time and at the end of it all its just 1's and 0' in strings
and there are a few threads with the same name and i havent seen any of them crash.

The strange thing is if you lock a thread it comes up with a pad lock so it's not that.
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

also how is this an insult 1 ? and this 2 ? and this 3 saying i'have no memory ?

Sil

 Oh you're right,  those are very "abusive" comments. Too bad that you don't seam to get the point that I'm tired of your insults and comments. And to please post on your own thread,  so that we can continue working on answers on my thread, as we were, instead of having to deal with your constant distractions.

   NickZ

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.06.19, 19:22:13
Oh you're right,  those are very "abusive" comments. Too bad that you don't seam to get the point that I'm tired of your insults and comments. And to please post on your own thread,  so that we can continue working on answers on my thread, as we were, instead of having to deal with your constant distractions.

   NickZ

Nick,
Do your own thing and stop arguiing orthers opinion.
Read your posts and look in the mirror.

Ape

   Ape:
   Good to know that you are also blaming me, as well. For what I have no idea.
I do look in the mirror and also to the intensions of those I communicate with, and I feel that I'm not with the right crowd here at all.
With the exception of Itsu.
  So thanks for your comment and have a good day, Ape. I will not be posting to you any further, nor to Max, nor to  AG as well.
I've had enough of this...
Not into this soap opera.
  Nor will I be posting on this thread, again. Discussing opinions Is one thing, being repeatedly insulted, is something else.
    Thanks, for your understanding.
       NickZ

Still no access to Nicks most important thread.. looks like a forum bug?

   Perhaps, that's the best thing, for now.
  Disappointed, with you guys. That's it...
   NickZ

I have unlocked Nick's thread, since no one seems to know how it got locked in the first place.

Quote from: poynt99 on 2023.06.19, 22:48:34
I have unlocked Nick's thread, since no one seems to know how it got locked in the first place.
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    Thanks poynt, don't know how this could of happened. 
I have given this last post several clicks, but it won't go out of this box.
   Itsu had mentioned something about this before. But, it's not on purpose.
   NickZ

Sounds like Itsu and Nick are having some experimenting to do, however this might be of interest.
regarding the 37.5 mtr grenade wire length, this was taken of one of his grenades
see foto.

Also I have wound a 4 layer device on a 50mm tube biffilar wound ie 2 layers one way of 4.69 mtra
and the same again wound in the reverse direction to experiment with, it's inductance is 9.5  micro henrys.
Total wire length 37.5 mtrs

300,000,000 / 37.5 = 8mhz

Sil

Here is a grenade variant winding, ity's by no means an original.

Here also is a Tesla coil (from the net) notice led's copled to inductors iluminated at its nodes (standing waves).

Copy of posted text

Itsu Hi, I hope you don't mind me putting an answer to your thinking on Nicks thread.

Its this section i'm referring to:

I think you are right Max, looking online is see a lot of documents stating that Standing waves and resonance are going hand in hand.

Some states that you need resonance for a standing wave to occur.

But my problem is that most of these documents show an animated gif where we have a line (often a transmission line, so 2 parallel wires) where a wave of multiple wavelength (2 or 3 or more wavelengths)
are showed which are going forth and back (due to a short or open) and thus crossing each other which at certain points the standing wave occurs.

But we have a Grenade (1 wire) which seems to be in quarter wave resonance on say 2MHz, thus i do not see where there could be a standing wave occur as we have not even 1 full wave length.

I could see it happen for a multiple of this 2MHz like 16MHz which is 2 wavelengths, but do we need a standing wave at 16MHz while we work with a quarter wave resonance on 2MHz?

Where do i go wrong? only if ah! have you seen the device on Colors thread?


Regards Sil

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.06.22, 05:39:24
Itsu Hi, I hope you don't mind me putting an answer to your thinking on Nicks thread.

Its this section i'm referring to:

I think you are right Max, looking online is see a lot of documents stating that Standing waves and resonance are going hand in hand.

Some states that you need resonance for a standing wave to occur.

But my problem is that most of these documents show an animated gif where we have a line (often a transmission line, so 2 parallel wires) where a wave of multiple wavelength (2 or 3 or more wavelengths)
are showed which are going forth and back (due to a short or open) and thus crossing each other which at certain points the standing wave occurs.

But we have a Grenade (1 wire) which seems to be in quarter wave resonance on say 2MHz, thus i do not see where there could be a standing wave occur as we have not even 1 full wave length.

I could see it happen for a multiple of this 2MHz like 16MHz which is 2 wavelengths, but do we need a standing wave at 16MHz while we work with a quarter wave resonance on 2MHz?

Where do i go wrong? only if ah! have you seen the device on Colors thread?


Regards Sil

37.5m is a 8Mhz full wave...  300÷37.5
So 1/4 = 8/4 = 2Mhz

Quote from: Apecore on 2023.06.23, 22:38:18
37.5m is a 8Mhz full wave...  300÷37.5 (  = 8 in mhz)
So 1/4 = 8/4 = 2Mhz

I don't think it works like that,  2mhz is a 1/4 of 8mhz not 1/4 wave a 1/4 wave is 4 times Frequency.

to find F it's 300,000,000 / by wave length in meters. ans in hz

Sil

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.06.24, 08:49:26
I don't think it works like that,  2mhz is a 1/4 of 8mhz not 1/4 wave a 1/4 wave is 4 times Frequency.

to find F it's 300,000,000 / by wave length in meters. ans in hz

Sil

I think we mean the same.
In order to create the 1/4 wave inside the 37.5meter grenade .
With one end 0V and the other end Vtop you need 4 times lower frequency aka 2Mhz

https://youtube.com/shorts/LYTFkp_wJME?feature=share
If your grenade coil does not respond to your Tesla the way it should be , now you know why.

Maxolous

Quote from: Maxolous on 2023.06.25, 09:12:55
https://youtube.com/shorts/LYTFkp_wJME?feature=share
If your grenade coil does not respond to your Tesla the way it should be , now you know why.

Maxolous

What if he try with 44hz ?

I already know about that, and it's not 440 hz the correct freq, It's base 432 hz. Look up Mark Rodine
and the importance of 3 6 9  O0 it's the resonance of the universe apparently. It appears to be taping
into the creation base 9.
                                         



Sil

Quote from: forest on 2023.06.25, 10:45:07
What if he try with 44hz ?

both your Tesla and your grenade need to be 'in tune' each other and resonate.

Try winding such a device and testing it. If you have the wire length  ;D
find it's wave length. There are a number of preseason why that freq isn't very practical
and no thought has been applied to the problem. sorry if i appear negative to your idea.

Sil

The Grenade.

I recently found this on the internet describing what the resonator does
one would have to be in tune with the device to follow. I down loaded it and
forgot about it sorry.

Sil

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.06.25, 12:29:25
both your Tesla and your grenade need to be 'in tune' each other and resonate.

Try winding such a device and testing it. If you have the wire length  ;D
find it's wave length. There are a number of preseason why that freq isn't very practical
and no thought has been applied to the problem. sorry if i appear negative to your idea.

Sil

Nice comment, it riggered me after some cold beer.

We all know our Nick Tesla mentioned something about correct wirelength also did Ruslan, Stalker and more.
We know using a 37.5m kacher secundairy won' t produce more then 1.4Mhz at antenna.
I have a problem runni g 2Mhz with 37.5m kacher secundairy.

But we can configure a grenade at 1.4Mhz.. or lower.
So looking from the other side of the story.
Why just wind the kacher connect it to the DUT, note the resonance frequency.
Rewind the grenade in order to get it 100% in line with the kacher.
Additional to get the standingwave we need to know how long the groundwire must he.

Lets calculate the needed groundwire length in this case:

Say. Fres kacher =1.4Mhz  Lambda= 5.6Mhz
300/5,6= 53.571meter
Groundline = 53.57 - 37.5= 16.07meter

Any comments?

Ape



This with the proper groundwire length should at first point give us compliance in wirelength achievement as shown by Ru, St etc.

Quote from: forest on 2023.06.25, 10:45:07
What if he try with 44hz ?

Forest,
It will listen to 44Hz because that would be sub-harmonic of 440Hz.

Maxolous

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.06.25, 12:58:05
The Grenade.

I recently found this on the internet describing what the resonator does
one would have to be in tune with the device to follow. I down loaded it and
forgot about it sorry.

Sil

This was submitted by Geo sometime ago.

Maxolous

Hmm 44 and 440 is a long way off I went up the / 10 and 100 with PLL and a 4518 and other chips and got
no where, However did you notice something strange with the TK blue coil ?

Sil

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.06.25, 17:48:42
Hmm 44 and 440 is a long way off I went up the / 10 and 100 with PLL and a 4518 and other chips and got
no where, However did you notice something strange with the TK blue coil ?

Sil

AG,
My last post was supposed  to be a reply to your post my bad.

Yeah! I noticed the 3rd  terminal. It could be 4 terminals, but who knows what for?

Maxolous

There is that but it could be at the other end, I was thinking more about no inductor coil wound is missing and some
of Ruslans devices have a yoke on the other and with a winding on it, perhaps removing the the 1/4 wave winding
and use some 70mm tube and winding that on the 70mil tube the other way, I was trying to ask Itsu on his opinion
on the subject but got no reply, but he is supposed to be the projects best tinkerer (no offence intended) if he can
be persuaded to think out side the box.  8)

Sil

Modified post

last edit date was missing !!


Did I, I don't think so Wednesday 19th July 23

Guys,
I' ve got something working... video coming soon.

   Thanks Ape. 
    Otherwise we may have to spend the next few months listening to more dead ends. Without the least bit of advancements.
  So glad to hear of something positive. I'm all ears...
 
   NickZ

Quote from: Apecore on 2023.07.18, 20:49:34
Guys,
I' ve got something working... video coming soon.

Is this using the 4046 circuit you developed ?

Sil

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.07.19, 13:44:03



   Well Max, normally I am patient and tolerant, but after watching you "take the lead" for the last several months and still going nowhere. Nor have you presented us anything of value that works, at all. I have come to believe that you may not know what you're doing. Nor have you built any kind of actual replication, after all these years. So excuse me if your credibilities are in doubt.

   NickZ

What do you really want Nick, is it that you want to see a working device for the sake of sighting or you want to know the building process
Well, the former will not avail you anything but the later. If you learn the process, you can always improvise. If you think you know, you haven't built anything reasonable so far.

Maxolous

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.07.20, 00:44:02
   Max:
  What do I want??? From you, nothing.
   From the thread I would like to see some advancement. And, I don't agree with most of what you say or have done, so far. Nor see anything positive therefrom.
    You would be better to worry about what you should do. Not what you think that I should do.
As I don't value your negative advice. Sorry

   NickZ

Niçkz,

You're not a developer from my assessment of you. You don't know anything to improvise and you are idle .  Your job now is to run everyone down including those that brought the device into limelight.
You never experiment things to see things for yourself.

In our local churches we have those referred to as "old turkey". They have seen and heard too much that they know what the pastor is going to say next, they are so familiar with the system that they no longer believe anything.

In all these we know who will never build a working device. The truth is out there staring at you.

Maxolous

...

Kapanadze has absolutely nothing. No one has produced any free energy from his tricks. And in 5 years, his patents will expire. They will have been useless. Kapanadze has proved as useless on the free energy question as those who have produced hundreds of useless, nonsensical posts around him.

Quote from: F6FLT on 2023.07.20, 16:44:09
Kapanadze has absolutely nothing. No one has produced any free energy from his tricks. And in 5 years, his patents will expire. They will have been useless. Kapanadze has proved as useless on the free energy question as those who have produced hundreds of useless, nonsensical posts around him.

Yes shame what you say isn't true. As you have ignorance well on your side, or are you paid to say what you say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlgvBepj3Xw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmAyYhnRgc

Sil

..

Please
None of this here !
Quote
a value (despite of who you are working for.)
End quote
Or "paid to say"
End quote

F6 is known person ( forum liability issue) who is also quite enthusiastic about FE research
and has been for longer than this forums existence ...
And has helped with many experiments!

He does not experiment if there is no actual path or theory that intrigues him !
That is not to say he is allowed to interrupt experimenters following their own path !
To each their own ..
( he actually was pursuing an interesting path he mentioned being discussed on a French research forum...?
?? https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4370.msg104321#msg104321
AG
Sorry for interrupting
Perhaps
A gain mechanism will show promise?
No stone left unturned..

..

Wesley did you mean De Corum ?   >:-) >:-) he works for the other side (love of money), he does nothing for
our quest. Transmitting energy is just adding to the planets problems we need to use the 'ambient'.
Any way this is not a Nickerless support thread, and this type of advertising is known to kill a thread!

Perhaps a better solution could be found a thread where every one could just delete Nicks derogatory comments would suite the bill.  O0 O0 O0

..

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.07.20, 23:02:00

  To be frank, only by you,  Max. You seam to have the same problem as Wesley. Maybe you two should form a team.
  AG mentioned something about mushrooms...keep em in the dark...

   NickZ
    Ok, that's it for this...

Dear NickZ,

AG also mentioned in other words "wait for Apecore"
He is cooking the soup and he ' s going to serve you soon buddy!

Though he said do nothing. All you have to do, be at the table, get your hands washed and wait.

Maxolous

   Wesley:
   Please do NOT flood my thread with your off topic comments. F6 is gone, and now we have to contend with you.
  I don't want to have to moderate anyone, but if you keep it up, I will.

  My thread, (not this knock off one) is a research and development thread. No off topic comments, rants, or insults will be tolerated. If you don't like that, then don't go there...

   NickZ

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.07.21, 13:27:05
   Wesley:
   Please do NOT flood my thread with your off topic comments. F6 is gone, and now we have to contend with you.
  I don't want to have to moderate anyone, but if you keep it up, I will.

  My thread, (not this knock off one) is a research and development thread. No off topic comments, rants, or insults will be tolerated. If you don't like that, then don't go there...

   NickZ

Nick this thread was active well before yours and it's full of your antics and shenanigans and your not
a researcher and you don't do research you seek and exploit information and know how from others. so don't BS me.

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.07.21, 15:22:31
Nick this thread was active well before yours and it's full of your antics and shenanigans and your not
a researcher and you don't do research you seek and exploit information and know how from others. so don't BS me.

Well said

Some of you might be intererested in this old posting from Worlcup's post records
Ruslan had a lot more posts than he has now, some one needs to save it, I can't,
real player no longer works over here and hasnt for a long time.

"Revolutionizing Energy: Dr. Steven Greer Explores Zero Point Energy's Infinite Potential"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxqUpOvg5Is

Guys, Chet, Wesley,

Its all a big joke here.. our.com.. ou.com
Tell me I'm wrong.

All you working in private benches, shame on you.
Wesley come on  .. how should I call you?.. pussy or compromised.

Were not far from truth... so forget about patents and legal aspects.
Just be a kind of Nikola Tesla guy and make history for man
kind.
Do it or some nobody like me wil do it before you.
Aint you tired of faking truth?

Not a personal opinion just a wake up call for all the ones who know

Quote from: Apecore on 2023.07.26, 22:04:19
Guys, Chet, Wesley,

Its all a big joke here.. our.com.. ou.com
Tell me I'm wrong.

All you working in private benches, shame on you.
Wesley come on  .. how should I call you?.. pussy or compromised.

Were not far from truth... so forget about patents and legal aspects.
Just be a kind of Nikola Tesla guy and make history for man
kind.
Do it or some nobody like me wil do it before you.
Aint you tired of faking truth?

Not a personal opinion just a wake up call for all the ones who know

Well from an educational point of view if you have something working
why not tell us all, but do not put it on the market.


Sil

Apecore
Honestly,I have no idea what you are writing?
People work in benches for long time ( because of this type comment ,one you just wrote,
Also paranoia which grows with frustration ?

Here I could write a recipe for a nice cake in one paragraph
Everyone could bake it and get results..
However all who claim some type of success?
Share it !!
Get results !
Instead
Write all confusing information,assuming persons understand ?

Or make measurement errors and assume it's not
That has happened for years..

If you have a path towards a gain ?
Share it
Writing nonsense while patting yourself on the back ?

These open source forums are about sharing
And bringing change



This is not a game..( yes I see the guys who play games sociopaths having
Some sick amusement..dropping crumbs like sadists ..

Quote from: Chet K on 2023.07.27, 10:54:12
Apecore
Honestly,I have no idea what you are writing?
People work in benches for long time ( because of this type comment ,one you just wrote,
Also paranoia which grows with frustration ?

Here I could write a recipe for a nice cake in one paragraph
Everyone could bake it and get results..
However all who claim some type of success?
Share it !!
Get results !
Instead
Write all confusing information,assuming persons understand ?

Or make measurement errors and assume it's not
That has happened for years..

If you have a path towards a gain ?
Share it
Writing nonsense while patting yourself on the back ?

These open source forums are about sharing
And bringing change



This is not a game..( yes I see the guys who play games sociopaths having
Some sick amusement..dropping crumbs like sadists ..

Chet Worldcup already did, it was one odd Don smiths doc vids
I didn't save it or copy it I have no way to do so, it's a bit of a joke realy
all this high speed internet if you /we cant make use of it  >:-)

It was under resonance crafting, I recently looked for it but all traces of it
appear to have been removed or replaced with trivia.
The hyper link is 2 or three posts back, I did post it on Nicks thread a few weeks back but he delated it !
Sil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nMofjRITeM

device evidenly consist of Tesla transformer and power coil.

Quote from: forest on 2023.07.27, 15:59:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nMofjRITeM

device evidenly consist from Tesla transformer and power coil.

I looked at it its been in the OU tread under Stalker, didn't Itsu make it and couldn't get it to work ! >:-)

Quote from: Chet K on 2023.07.27, 10:54:12
Apecore
Honestly,I have no idea what you are writing?
People work in benches for long time ( because of this type comment ,one you just wrote,
Also paranoia which grows with frustration ?

Here I could write a recipe for a nice cake in one paragraph
Everyone could bake it and get results..
However all who claim some type of success?
Share it !!
Get results !
Instead
Write all confusing information,assuming persons understand ?

Or make measurement errors and assume it's not
That has happened for years..

If you have a path towards a gain ?
Share it
Writing nonsense while patting yourself on the back ?

These open source forums are about sharing
And bringing change



This is not a game..( yes I see the guys who play games sociopaths having
Some sick amusement..dropping crumbs like sadists ..

You may want to check patents in Europe, especially in NL where patent office don't ask inventors to remove specific instructions and/or quantity, dimensions etc from the patent as they do in USA

Regarding offsetting costs associated with research and experiments ... I can't see any substantial gain happening any time soon for any inventor as any kind of tech is deemed to be suppressed as it pose a great danger to those 1% of world population.

So, any work presented in the open is pro bono and possible no fame gain or anything else, only the satisfaction of an achievement for the mankind.

Some sadistic guys dropping crumbs you say ? Really ? First of all we need to understand that fe is that one that can't be measured so it can't be taxed based of collection of it and that fe is present everywhere so, nobody can claim territorial occurrence of it, I mean no human on this earth can claim.

Call me sadistic if you like but all I can tell you that anyone can tap into this energy if is going to exploit the gradient or potential different between two fields of an energy (carrier ) of the same kind. No I'm not speaking about exploiting the gradient between two kinds of energy, I'll leave this for some more advanced and experienced people.

Hmm, sounds complicated isn't it ? Let's have a look at solar power system ? Is it free source ? Yes. Are we exploiting the gradient ? No, all solar systems works only in sunny condition, I mean in the presence of light ... while the complete gradient is light and dark ... this lead to maximum inefficiency(that's why system have been allowed in the open).
Thermal gradient: hot and cold, few methods are proved Stirling engine if you prefer kinetic transformation or Peltier effect or many other.

For myself just for myself, I don't need any academia to understand and eventually explain why and how a device works when is able to provide the power I need for whatever I'm going to use. They disprove and deny anything they can't or won't explain from various reasons. So for me they are useless. Just look at French National Academy when they decided that no object heavier that air can fly ... yet, I can't remember where or if they ever apologise for that in the same way they trumpeted their lousy decision.

So, I'm afraid you won't get more than crumbles as the world isn't prepared yet for this and my only concern is I can't see any kind of interest in preparedness apart from the idiotic response with total lockdown that we already experienced recently with faked reason for this. It seems that in their minds whatever cost is a cost worth to maintain some kind of order ... which creates huge inequality and suffering.

So, follow the crumbles for yourself and make sure you follow the crumbles and nothing else if you want to get out of the maze.

Quote from: F6FLT on 2023.07.20, 16:44:09
Kapanadze has absolutely nothing. No one has produced any free energy from his tricks. And in 5 years, his patents will expire. They will have been useless. Kapanadze has proved as useless on the free energy question as those who have produced hundreds of useless, nonsensical posts around him.

Question,Is your handle by any chance to do with amature radio ?

sil

Anyone trying to match the impedance, matching impedance at resonance is of essence for any efficient apparatus and I can suggest to start from the power source to be used in a real world working device ... it is unrealistic to design such a device based on use of grid power ... it won't work in my opinion.

Adjust resonance in coils based on wire length or weight of wire.
Output power desired must be matched by capacitor bank.

Unless you are a dedicated mathematician you want to work with equations only, if you want a working device just define your input to be used in real world and desired output. Keep it as simple as you can. Just go with things ready on the self, then make bespoke components to link with desired effects necessary to work.

Always try to bear in your mind the big picture, focusing excessive on small bits doesn't help.

Did anyone checked for negative resistance that should occur in HF HV ? This phenomena is present in old ballast neon sign recommend by Don Smith and is supposed to work with spark gap/neon tube.

Negative resistance is an interesting and unique electrical characteristic that can be harnessed in specific applications to achieve certain benefits. Some of the advantages of negative resistance include:

Oscillator and Signal Generation: Negative resistance is crucial in certain oscillator circuits. It allows for the generation of high-frequency oscillations without the need for additional active components like transistors or amplifiers. This property is utilized in devices like tunnel diode oscillators and Gunn diode oscillators, which find applications in microwave signal generation and communications systems.

Amplification: In some cases, negative resistance can be used for amplification purposes. When combined with positive resistance in a circuit, the overall gain can be enhanced, leading to increased signal levels and improved performance in specific frequency ranges.

Power Gain: Devices exhibiting negative resistance can offer power gain, meaning they can deliver more power at the output than the power supplied at the input. This property is beneficial in certain applications where power amplification is required without the use of additional amplifiers.

High-Frequency Operation: Components with negative resistance often operate effectively at high frequencies. This makes them suitable for applications in radio frequency (RF) circuits, microwave systems, and other high-frequency electronics.
Microwave Applications: Negative resistance devices like Gunn diodes are used in microwave applications for their ability to generate microwave signals efficiently without the need for complicated circuitry.

Simple Circuit Design: Negative resistance devices can simplify circuit designs by eliminating the need for additional active elements, reducing complexity and component count in certain applications.

However, it's important to note that while negative resistance can be advantageous in specific contexts, it is not a common characteristic of most passive electronic components. Negative resistance is typically observed in specific active devices, such as tunnel diodes, Gunn diodes, and some gas discharge lamps used with magnetic ballasts. Most resistive components, like regular resistors, do not exhibit negative resistance and follow Ohm's law, where current increases with voltage in a positive resistance manner.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.08.02, 14:26:17
    The thing is that if we take the pulse from the TL494 chip, to turn the kacher on and off, it will be limited to funtion at only that same frequency, and no other frequencies.
So, is that really the best way to sync the kacher with the induction circuits??? 
As that means that the kacher pulse wil be running at around 15KHz to 20KHz, or so, just the same as the induction circuits. Instead of running in the kachers normal MHz range that its secondary coil is tuned to run at. Therefore, it's no wonder the kacher will be running much weaker, using that system. And perhaps the kacher secondary coil needs to be retuned like Adrian has his, (much longer than normal). To run in the KHz range, instead.
  These are some of the things that we need to verify.

   NickZ

I can't resist not commenting on this.
Please, kacher always resonate at it own frequency whether you build it to res. on MHZ or KHZ. When you interrupt it with your push pull signal of say 15KHZ, that will be the repetition rate of the kacher in it own res frequency.

That is to say: a kacher that is running at 1MHZ will do that at the rate of 15000cycles/sec.

Now, this is what we have been talking about, but some persons don't pay any attention.  Thus; the push pull signal becomes the envelope and the kacher signal becomes the message as in AM modulation. This is synchronising both signals.

Maxolous

For more clarity, I post the pictogram below. Assuming the kacher in the first  pic is ringing at 1MHZ.

Check the second pic ; If the Push-pull signal is 15KHZ and it's interrupting the Kacher, then you would see 15,000 of this "fish' in 1sec .

Maxolous
This

Pic2
These are not artifacts

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.08.03, 21:32:04
   Max:
   I'm not sure what I see. Nor is the Kacher running at 1MHz.

Am only using 1MHZ as an example.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.08.03, 21:32:04

What are you trying to show? Fish waves?
   Anyway, try to show how well any of your ideas work, on a load. Not on mV input.

What do we call this; arrogance or sarcasm , anyway am no permitted to do that .save that for another day. How ever those who wishes to learn had picked some point. This is not an insult but a gentle advice to an old friend.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.08.03, 21:32:04

Otherwise....A scope shot of something running at 414KHz is not very convincing.
As that is not even the normal running frequency of these devices. So, not sure what your point is.
   NickZ

Dear Nick,
When a device like this is running with the Tesla "ON" frequency usually multiplies. You should know this.

Open your heart not your eyes

Maxolous

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.08.03, 21:32:04
   Max:
   I'm not sure what I see. Nor is the Kacher running at 1MHz.

Am only using 1MHZ as an example.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.08.03, 21:32:04

What are you trying to show? Fish waves?
   Anyway, try to show how well any of your ideas work, on a load. Not on mV input.

What do we call this; arrogance or sarcasm , anyway am no permitted to do that .save that for another day. How ever those who wishes to learn had picked some point. This is not an insult but a gentle advice to an old friend.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.08.03, 21:32:04

Otherwise....A scope shot of something running at 414KHz is not very convincing.
As that is not even the normal running frequency of these devices. So, not sure what your point is.
   NickZ

Dear Nick,
When a device like this is running with the Tesla "ON" frequency usually multiplies. You should know this.

Open your heart not your eyes

Maxolous

Quote from: Maxolous on 2023.08.04, 06:29:59
@NickZ

To clear your mind on the frequency of kacher;
The overall frequency is deceptive . If you want to know the frequency of kacher or controlled Tesla, use your cursor menu from your scope to read that.like in my first pic were I said the kacher was ringing. To know the frequency, use cursor on your scope to know the exact frequency it runs.

If after all these years you are no clear about this. Please, stop making some comments not to discourage the new ones who will like to try something. Because reading your comments is discouraging as if those who posted don't know what they are here for.

In light of the for going, except you are here to do that. That is, to be a club in the wheel of progress.

Maxolous.

Quote from: Itsu on 2023.08.04, 09:21:30


Nick,


Max, is only showing a nice example of an interrupted kacher signal.


His scope is not interpreting the frequency (414kHz) correctly somehow, not sure why, but as i have shown you before, you can calculate the used frequencies shown yourself.

The first picture shows the single ringing of the kacher at M 2.50us, meaning his scopes time base is set to 2.5us/division.
If you take 1 period of that signal (like 2 peaks next to each other) you can see that this single period lasts about 1.5 subdivisions.
As 1 subdivision = 1/5th divisions = 0.5us, then 1.5 subdivision is 1.5 x 0.5 =  0.75us which is 1.333MHz (https://www.calctool.org/waves/frequency)

Max his Kacher is therefor running at 1.333MHz, not the shown 414kHz.



The second picture shows the interrupted signal with the time base set to M 25us.
Between 2 interrupts we have 1.6 division, thus 1.6 x 25us = 40us which equates to a frequency of 25kHz (so not 15kHz).

That the kacher signal is in the mV's only, is probably because Max is having his pickup probe some distance away from the kacher or antenna.

So what Max is showing is an interrupted kacher signal running at 1.333MHz interrupted at 25kHz intervals.


Itsu

Thanks so much @ Itsu,
Our man has so much limitations which has become a club in wheel of progress. My voice can't be louder than this. It is disheartening for someone to use his myopic view to disrupt processes.

Submitted

Maxolous.

   Max.
   This is your last warning. I don't need your insults. You are being very disruptive, once again. Last warning ...
   
     NickZ

Max Nick Itsu aren't you going to share information ? have you a link to ape core video ? please show it all

   You mean the new video that Ape said was coming, showing "something working"
   I think that he just said that, as he is mad at me for some reason.
   You can look at YouTube under Apecore, to see his previous videos.

   NickZ

I all ready have there is nothing new, and all of his post records are gone and so are his contact details
verry strange. :-X

https://www.youtube.com/@apecore4432/videos

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.08.05, 19:30:48
I all ready have there is nothing new, and all of his post records are gone and so are his contact details
verry strange. :-X

https://www.youtube.com/@apecore4432/videos

  AG:
  Ape has not removed anything, nor added anything.
  Apecore has over 30 videos still listed on YouTube.
Nothing is "gone". Nor is there, "something working", that I can see.
  We are still sharing,  to those still interested.
Thanks for hanging in there.

   NickZ

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.08.06, 01:40:52

   AG:
   Not sure what your problem is, but Ape has not removed anything, nor added anything.
  Apecore still has as over 30 videos still listed on YouTube. Nothing is "gone". Nor anything "working", that I can see.

   NickZ

No all that is there, What I said or meant was search on here for 'apecore' it comes up with error 404 not found
try sending him a personal message like where is the video, you can't.
find a post of his on a thread click on it and all links are gone you cant scroll   through his posts they are gone.
weird ! 
Sure you can search through the threads on his posts if you know where they are. but who wants to do that or has the time.

   Ape got all upset about who knows what. He thinks that the private moderated threads are hiding something from him.
  He never had anything working. Probably never will. He was rude to me, nor did I ever do anything to him. Just trying to keep my thread on track, and progressing, instead, and not hiding anything from anybody. He was mad at me because he thought that I had locked him out, of course we know that never happened.
All I ever wanted is to focus on this project. And see some results. Easier said than done...

    NickZ

Quote from: NickZ on 2023.08.06, 13:00:30
   Ape got all upset about who knows what. He thinks that the private moderated threads are hiding something from him.
  He never had anything working. Probably never will. He was rude to me, nor did I ever do anything to him. Just trying to keep my thread on track, and progressing, instead, and not hiding anything from anybody. He was mad at me because he thought that I had locked him out, of course we know that never happened.
All I ever wanted is to focus on this project. And see some results. Easier said than done...

    NickZ

Actually
There are groups of open source researchers and experimenters who work privately
and are NOT anonymous to each other and speak or verify persons in group ..?( very important in todays AI world)
( huge issue for group integrity )
This is all over the planet ..
With one goal
Open source! .. just like a job ( no play all work ...
Every comment is towards the goal ...

There have been groups of such dedicated persons forever ( still are)
This latest super conductor claim will most likely bring more together

Hopefully
Right on the front page of many open source venues!

Nick
For additional clarity
This forum is an open source forum
Administration would not allow it any other way ..

Nor would we have it any other way ..
You work towards a goal here
Open source FE to the world
Or go elsewhere..
Comments above are generic, not specifically addressed to any member.
Honestly regarding Kapanadze/Don Smith type work
Here  a known path or theory towards a gain Is usually required ..( for groups to gather
I am not aware of any such Kapanadze/Don Smith work in private groups ?
All experiments done in the past eventuality found unforeseen gain from equipment
Or grid or ?
Inability to loop autonomous or tap into runaway gain ( once source is found !
The holy grail
Batteries not included ( perhaps just for start up ..

Respectfully
Chet
PS
Not looking to derail topic
No more from me

Hmm;It's the or else-where bit, there are some on both threads with power more than our own with the power to silence
others one way or another by one form of deletion or another.

It's a sorry state of affairs

Sil

It might worth to have a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_resistance
And some other sources:

QuoteNegative resistance is a concept in electronics and electrical engineering that may seem counterintuitive at first glance. In a standard resistive circuit element, such as a resistor, the current through the element increases in proportion to the voltage applied across it, following Ohm's law (V = I * R). This means that the resistance (R) is always positive.

However, in certain specialized devices and circuits, it is possible to observe a negative resistance characteristic. Negative resistance implies that the current through the element decreases as the voltage across it increases. In other words, the direction of the current is opposite to what you would expect based on Ohm's law

Some of the advantages of negative resistance include:

- Oscillator and Signal Generation: Negative resistance is crucial in certain oscillator circuits. It allows for the generation of high-frequency oscillations without the need for additional active components like transistors or amplifiers. This property is utilized in devices like tunnel diode oscillators and Gunn diode oscillators, which find applications in microwave signal generation and communications systems.
- Amplification:In some cases, negative resistance can be used for amplification purposes. When combined with positive resistance in a circuit, the overall gain can be enhanced, leading to increased signal levels and improved performance in specific frequency ranges.
- Power Gain: Devices exhibiting negative resistance can offer power gain, meaning they can deliver more power at the output than the power supplied at the input. This property is beneficial in certain applications where power amplification is required without the use of additional amplifiers.
- High-Frequency Operation: Components with negative resistance often operate effectively at high frequencies. This makes them suitable for applications in radio frequency (RF) circuits, microwave systems, and other high-frequency electronics.
- Microwave Applications: Negative resistance devices like Gunn diodes are used in microwave applications for their ability to generate microwave signals efficiently without the need for complicated circuitry.
Simple Circuit Design: Negative resistance devices can simplify circuit designs by eliminating the need for additional active elements, reducing complexity and component count in certain applications.

To understand why Don Smith recommended magnetic ballast for neon sign.

QuoteModern neon signs, like many other lighting systems, have transitioned to electronic ballasts, which offer advantages such as increased efficiency, reduced flickering, and more precise control over the lighting output. However, older neon signs may still use magnetic ballasts with the described negative resistance characteristics during the initial ignition phase.

That's why fluorescent lighting has been replaced at global scale. Old magnetic ballast with HV and HF was £15-20  ew electronic ballast (incapable of negative resistance ) cost +£60 ... they made us paying for the ban imposed globally

That's why all devices capable to output FE were made with old components, or in some cases without anything complicated, please check any videos.

Make sure you have intended load connected when you switch on your fe device designed and calculated fro known input and desired load, no need for fancy oscilloscope as can be done with simple trial and error and resonance can be found with an old fluorescent tube hold in hand along wire direction in close proximity of coil.

Note that "positive resistance"+ "negative resistance" would yield spectacular results with simple and cheap circuits. Couple of coils, neon ballast, 1 battery few resistors and capacitors which most of them can be scavenged from old appliances.

If anyone think that I am off topic please remove my post.

Quote from: Classic on 2023.08.11, 23:00:57
It might worth to have a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_resistance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_resistance)
And some other sources:
To understand why Don Smith recommended magnetic ballast for neon sign.

That's why fluorescent lighting has been replaced at global scale. Old magnetic ballast with HV and HF was £15-20  ew electronic ballast (incapable of negative resistance ) cost +£60 ... they made us paying for the ban imposed globally

That's why all devices capable to output FE were made with old components, or in some cases without anything complicated, please check any videos.

Make sure you have intended load connected when you switch on your fe device designed and calculated fro known input and desired load, no need for fancy oscilloscope as can be done with simple trial and error and resonance can be found with an old fluorescent tube hold in hand along wire direction in close proximity of coil.

Note that "positive resistance"+ "negative resistance" would yield spectacular results with simple and cheap circuits. Couple of coils, neon ballast, 1 battery few resistors and capacitors which most of them can be scavenged from old appliances.

If anyone think that I am off topic please remove my post.

Classic,

Your statement concerning electronic ballasts is totally incorrect!  I manufactured S/S ballasts for years and they work the same as magnetic ballasts in regards to the negative lamp resistance however, they work at a much higher efficacy, efficiency, both input and output power factor, and quality of light.  In our designs, the leakage inductance between primary and secondary supplied the needed "ballast" for lamp starting only at a greatly lowered value compared to the 50/60Hz magnetic ballasts.  I hold a patent for a technique to Very Rapid Start a lamp in ~1ms instead of the typical >20ms which had the effect of increasing lamp life 10-20x.  Due to this, we lost our ability to manufacture product which is another story altogether.
 
BTW, our S/S ballasts were poised to compete with magnetic ballasts on a price basis due to low component count and automated assembly.

Regards,
Pm

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@partzman, I can't say anything about YOUR ballast as didn't end up in the market -shops, but I can tell I can't make them work in any device those " new"electronic, they change everything and that magnetic field was useful indeed, it played his role in circuit. At least I lack the knowledge for electronics.

Electronic ballasts indeed they offer negative resistance but isn't useful in this setup and it is a lot easier to make bespoke coils than bespoke electronic components ... I'm not saying it can't be done, but as long as fe is denied for John Doe you won't see any electronics that could work to yield more than few hundreds milliwatt at best, yet all tech is available for mass production.

If we get in the open 10-100k devices we might force them to acknowledge a very successful breakthrough of science and start to change everything as we know, but ... for what price ? That might not be what anybody expect ... just look what they did with graphene and how they keep saying nowadays that the right price is +65k per tonne while in mass production with my kitchen I can get equivalent of £6k per tonne.

The big boys nowadays don't buy any patents, nor paying any royalties, they just get the patent in their labs or nothing at all and bury anything else being humans or concepts/patents. They got far too much power and this must end, as their practice is utterly destructive.
Or it may a modern launch witch hunt to preserve the right order and war against each other on the earth  >:( time will tell

We need to stop saying electrons travel in electric flow, they don't go anywhere unless there is degradation/modification of the material we refer for those electrons "travelling". Electrons transmit signal which can be + (negative resistance) or -  Electricity is everywhere on planet earth in the soil or in atmosphere. When we get "power" from electricity we just short + and - in a specific way being that a motor, a bulb, a led, microwave oven ... whatever, exploiting materials physical properties along with magnetic force. Because we use electricity with magnetic force, they are packed together.

Shorting transformers isn't difficult as I've seen someone complaining, if a solid core is used, it needs to have an air gap or magnet filled gap, while in akulla, Don, Kapanadze an air gap is employed to make this short easier. Copper used in coils behave completely different at high voltage AND high frequency, don't be afraid to experiment (as long as you put safety first). Combine negative resistance with positive resistance (from shorted transformers) at high frequency for power gain, spark gap/ gas discharge tubes help with frequency, ground or counterpoise yield less positive charge (or negative if you prefer). Nature will bring everything to balance, equilibrium, whatever you do, so create disturbance in one of the 2 (air/atmosphere/above the ground or water) to trick the other field to think there is an assault from the other side or leakage from their side and harvest on the side where you don't intervene. The greater the disturbance, the greater flow from the other side will flow in your circuits.

Your coils along with all effects impinged on the ground (or counterpoise) at high frequency, excited by a little source (battery) will make the ground to bring equal and opposite full force to your collection/storage device. Collection point needs to be seen by this 2 fields as the front battle line, they deliver full force exactly where you want. Just use the load you wish to power up. Bear in mind that your device IS SITTING on the ground  O0

By looping a battery you already get negative resistance, but you need to loop after load not before as you change the frontline battle. Or if you don't like batteries, use radiant energy, or any little source which is available 24/7 non-weather and non day light dependant.

We need to be creative using a lot of imagination to be able to use off the shelf or recycle appliances, as they already start to control and restrict availability for almost all materials and components we might use. There is already a lot of devices in use around the world and artificial recession is created in an attempt to stop their proliferation.

I can't be more clear than that.

Note Sunday 13th August 10:20 NickZ is up to his old tricks again he has locked his thread again!

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Note Sunday 13th August 10:20 NickZ is up to his old tricks again he has locked his thread again!

oops sounds like some one else locked it oops strange! thought i had better update this so as not to offend! Sil

AG,

I don't think so , I just made a post now.
Anyhow, he doesn't like complicated circuits and relativities to do with calculations and so forth.
  ;DI do hope my dear friend was not skipping class when he was in school.

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   AG:
   If I had locked anyone out, I would tell you so.
Ape is still mad at me, thinking that I locked him out. Well, it wasn't me.
  Although, it sounds like a reasonable thing to do...when people get rude and insulting, like what Max likes to do.
  You ever wonder why some guys don't answer you???
   It's you AG, up to your old tricks...again

   NickZ

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Not sure who's is who's anymore
The other topic is locked ( for me anyway)
As a topic moderator it may appear the same to "you" ( Nick)
However ,
It is not that view to others ( no place to reply)
Check bottom of screen ( scroll down)
This is how a locked topic looks ( has unlock as option , which means topic is Already locked)

Maybe an accident?

   Chet:
    All I know, as I have already mentioned various times now, is that I have not locked out or moderated any one.
    I have removed a couple of rude posts, and I mentioned it at the time, in case some of you have a poor memory.
    The rest of it, is not my doing, and I had asked you Chet to please look into this, a while back. As even Verpies could not post on my thread, (not this one).  I had thought that this had been corrected. But, I guess not, at least for some members.
   Sorry guys,  I don't know what is going on with this, so, please don't feel that I am locking any one out.

   Grum, thanks for your comment, hopefully this issue can be corrected soon.
   
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As moderator of bench
When you look at your bench
It will look no different locked or unlocked

All the "reply " etc buttons will appear normal

However ...
When you scroll down and check if it reads
"Unlock topic"
That means It is locked to membership.( they don't see reply buttons like you do as bench moderator)

And if it is normal will have "Lock topic "
Option showing !
Seeing lock topic option means all is well.

  Odd Grum mentioned a date last month where he thought he accidentally locked it ( might be since it is not his bench , forum benchmarks his actions (he shows as the person/ administrator who locked it )
Forum may not take notice of you locking your own bench ( in administrative section )
And yet there have been posts made since Grumages accidentally locking last month ?

And today it was locked

Here again screenshot from today ..your bench thread prior to Grumage unlocking it .

When you check your bench topics please check this area at bottom of page
And if it looks like screenshot below,

It's locked
Perhaps this is accidental?( obviously)

I think I did speak with Peter last time and it was _let him know _ if it happens again..

Now you can check it ( will help him know what is going on)
Thanks

Please look at Graham his post in Nick his thread here:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg106151#msg106151

That would explain what had happened.

Itsu

   Itsu, Chet, or Grum. Can you check about what happened to my thread.
As it does not appear on the topics list.
Thanks,
     NickZ

Hi Nick,

I cannot see any of my posts from that thread anymore, so they must be gone.

It looks if the whole thread is deleted.

Itsu

It's not good  it was valuable information, all of it was, it's all deleted from the post records too. so, all the hyperlinks are gone too.
But the thing is Nick said he asked admin to delete his thread. So what more can be said.

If it's of any use my internet provider software saved the last page from 12 pm last night, but Nick had deleted a good few postings
and hyperlinks to important stuff Peterae asked for via Chet.

Sil

Hi Guys.

Thread reinstated. The log states that NickZ removed the topic @ 00:22 hrs this morning.

Cheers Grum.

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Hi Nick,

looking good, thanks for opening this thread.

Hopefully the Admin can fix the problem that this thread is not visible when not logged in or for non-members.

Anyway, i just was setting up my Grenade/Inductor/Antenna on new 3D printed stands to start making some measurements on the different parts of the Ruslan setup starting with this Grenade:



F.I. i want to figure out if there can be standing waves present in this Grenade/inductor and under what conditions.

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Minimum inductance. Inductance cancellation, but you can't get zero: clockwise and counterclockwise.

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   Wow, what a great looking grenade, as well as your 3D printed stand.
   You seam to have to most accurate replication that I've seen yet. And hopefully with your help, we can crack this nut.

   My thoughts on this is that we are close, and that it's probably only a tuning issue to resolve.
   So, we should not throw our baby out, with the bath water.

   Max: Thank for your comments, and ideas.

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   Itsu:
   Wow, what a great looking grenade, as well as your 3D printed stand.
   You seam to have to most accurate replication that I've seen yet. And hopefully with your help, we can crack this nut.

   My thoughts on this is that we are close, and that it's probably only a tuning issue to resolve.
   So, we should not throw our baby out, with the bath water.

   Max: Thank for your comments, and ideas.

   NickZ
   

Nice you have your tread now Nickz.
We wish to see better things happening.

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Thanks Max, Nick,

that Grenade i build 2 years ago with the help of Vasik and his translations.

I don't think it was designed to be "inductance cancellation" as we still have more turns counterclockwise than clockwise (or the other way around) and for what reason do we need an inductionless coil?

We might then use only a capacitor as that is what is left.

Anyway, i will do some measurements with my nanoVNA to see how the inductance varies over a frequency range and at what frequency it flips over (the zero inductance point) from an inductance to capacitance (if doing so).

Let's see what we can come up with.


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   Sounds good itsu, and I hope that Vasik and any of the other guys interested will also join in, and build some devices. As there are no better self running devices around, as yet.
   Since we don't really know what it takes to get these devices to self run, it's best to build true replications, of which there are really only just a very few.
   I understand from Vasik, I think it was, that Stalker built up 25 grenades, to finally get one that worked.

   Max:  Did you figure out why your unit is flipping the over amp protection circuit. Does your mosfet get real hot. It may be that you have too much current going in.
I use a couple of chokes at the input, as well as some filter caps, as per the Ruslan, or Stalker's schematic. This diagram below, was for the induction circuit that I replicated.

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   Since we don't really know what it takes to get these devices to self run, it's best to build true replications, of which there are really only just a very few.

We don't really know the physics behind the overunity effect, e.g. from what source is the extra energy coming from and what mechanism does it take to get this effect realized.
If there where a simple setup just demonstrating this, it would be obvious how to build kilowatts devices. But there are almost as much theories about the device operation as there are devices variations on the internet to find.
        
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Thanks Max, Nick,

that Grenade i build 2 years ago with the help of Vasik and his translations.

I don't think it was designed to be "inductance cancellation" as we still have more turns counterclockwise than clockwise (or the other way around) and for what reason do we need an inductionless coil?

We might then use only a capacitor as that is what is left.

Anyway, i will do some measurements with my nanoVNA to see how the inductance varies over a frequency range and at what frequency it flips over (the zero inductance point) from an inductance to capacitance (if doing so).

Let's see what we can come up with.


Itsu

It probably is a multi-wave LC delay line or in the sound industry a vibrator/echo chamber.

As I do not know how it is wound (a diagram would be good), that is a guess.

See attached which is multi-phase if the inductances are different on each side.

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F.I. i want to figure out if there can be standing waves present in this Grenade/inductor and under what conditions.

Regards Itsu

Hi Itsu,
I did a lot of work on grenade research together with Lostbro years ago.
Our goal was to create a grenade 37.5m which also has its resonance frequency at 2Mhz.
The wirelength of 37.5m would give a oppertunity to create a 1/4 standingwave at 2Mhz which means it has double resonance.
Vew months ago I succeeded in realizing this 2Mhz resonance goal.
        
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It probably is a multi-wave LC delay line or in the sound industry a vibrator/echo chamber.

As I do not know how it is wound (a diagram would be good), that is a guess.

See attached which is multi-phase if the inductances are different on each side.

Regards

Mike

Mike,

thanks for your insights, my Grenade coil is wound as mentioned here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.msg91333#msg91333

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Hi Itsu,
I did a lot of work on grenade research together with Lostbro years ago.
Our goal was to create a grenade 37.5m which also has its resonance frequency at 2Mhz.
The wirelength of 37.5m would give a oppertunity to create a 1/4 standingwave at 2Mhz which means it has double resonance.
Vew months ago I succeeded in realizing this 2Mhz resonance goal.



Hi Ape,

good to see you here, i think Nick can now remove your wrong post in the other thread


I used my nanoVNA to measure the Grenade especially the inductance (upper graph) and the impedance (lower graph) over a 10kHz to 20Mhz range.
But i first made the same measurement using a 47uH choke for comparing:






The result of this 47uH choke is this:



So we see a slowly increasing impedance (lower graph of the 2) till resonance at 10Mhz.


Then i used my Grenade:






The result of my Grenade looks like this:



So we see a starting inductance of around 160uH at 15kHz (upper graph of the 2) till a resonance at just under 2mHz
So my Grenade (inclusive Inductor and Antenna) has similar parameters as yours (2Mhz resonance).

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   Max:  Did you figure out why your unit is flipping the over amp protection circuit. Does your mosfet get real hot. It may be that you have too much current going in.
I use a couple of chokes at the input, as well as some filter caps, as per the Ruslan, or Stalker's schematic. This diagram below, was for the induction circuit that I replicated.

    NickZ

Hi Nickz,
Am still working on it. I think it's the back emf effect and I have used snubber circuit to reduce that ,. But it's not enough.  I really want to get the voltage feeding my Tesla controlled circuit  up to 130vdc and above because that is where the effect is in most cases. At that stage you see it shaking violently on scope.

As for weather my transistor is hot the answer is no.

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Hi Max,

when you say "At that stage (>130V input) you see it shaking violently on scope" what do you mean with "it"?

Is it not the intense HV HF from the kacher influencing your scope?

I remember several times with a strong kacher my scopes go crazy.

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   Good to see you here, and that you are posting again, and hopefully building and testing also.
I followed you on the OU.com thread, but, you quit posting there. So, good to see you here.
   I'm also hoping that Geofusion chimes in, "Hello there guys", as well. And any other builders, like Vasik, Tomtech, and of course me as well, as I plan to focus on these devices, and continue on with the tests and trials.
   I'll let my other thread on this forum, go out of site. As I can't seam to be able to remove it.
   
                     
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   PS. Max carefull with those high Kacher voltages, once you have a scope. You may have to NOT use the negative black scope lead, as once you put both leads on the induction circuits, with the Kacher also on, you'll be grounding the positive Kacher pulse to ground, through the scopes negative lead, due to the scope's grid tied ground connection. As well as sending all that voltage to your push pull's delicate circuit. Also at 130v the HV streamer will ground out, anywhere it can. The effect generation has been shown working even as low as 12v.
Ruslan mentioned that you don't need a "strong Kacher".  The ideas is NOT to add, but to interrupt the induction circuit's field instead. Of course when adding 130v to the circuit, things will fry, immediately. Just trying to avoid you burning up your scope, and circuits.  But, I did notice that your streamer can be barely seen, so, not sure if you have the duty cycle set very low, or why that spark is so small.  Anyway, good luck with your set up.
        
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Hi Max,

when you say "At that stage (>130V input) you see it shaking violently on scope" what do you mean with "it"?

Is it not the intense HV HF from the kacher influencing your scope?

I remember several times with a strong kacher my scopes go crazy.

Itsu

Hi Itsu,

By comparison; when you compare the scope shot of this video ;https://youtu.be/J7du9f-f9t0
To the scope shot of this; https://youtu.be/oC-YP1aDj4Q , you will notice the difference in signal movement. The later could not attain the violent movement of the former because voltage lever is low(maximum 65vdc) and few pulses. Any attempt to increase either of them( voltage or pulse) beyond a certain limit, device will trip off. Whereas, that is the moment of current addition.

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   PS. Max carefull with those high Kacher voltages, once you have a scope. You may have to NOT use the negative black scope lead, as once you put both leads on the induction circuits, with the Kacher also on, you'll be grounding the positive Kacher pulse to ground, through the scopes negative lead, due to the scope's grid tied ground connection. As well as sending all that voltage to your push pull's delicate circuit. Also at 130v the HV streamer will ground out, anywhere it can, unless you tone down the duty cycle. And if the Kacher coils aren't tuned to the right self running frequency, the circuits frequency trim pots controller will not really make up for it.

Thanks for the piece of advice.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-05-26, 14:13:09
Ruslan mentioned that you don't need a "strong Kacher".

He was referring to those blazing Tesla coil build like those called Slayer that could arc up to 20cm and above.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-05-26, 14:13:09

  The ideas is NOT to add, but to interrupt the induction circuit's field instead.

If it doesn't interrupt how will it add.

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    Max:  The kacher signal will do nothing to improve the output of the induction circuit pulse, IF, the kacher signal is not in resonance. And if you don't have a proper earth ground line, also. Your kacher looks too long to provide for the right frequency needed. About 1.5MHz or so. Not like yours which is running at too low a frequency for resonance.
5mm streamers should be long enough, more will cause problems. There should be no violent shaking going on. That is not a good sign.
   Please connect some bulbs. To see any real interaction. The load of bulbs needs to be above 300 to 500 watts, so as to not be fooled by the improved output, due to the addition of more voltage and current from the Kacher. A smaller load of bulbs will light up more, but, with no OU, nor able to self run. So, don't be fooled by that.
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   Max, the ideas is not to ADD, anything. The purpose of the Kacher is an interruptor circuit, not meant to ADD. Meant to STOP the induction circuit, instead.

For those that think that what Ruslan said about a simple kacher not able to add anything, because it's AC signal will take away what it gives, should see my video, showing how I can light even a 100w bulb, at the grenade's output, with just my Kacher on.

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   Max, the ideas is not to ADD, anything. The purpose of the Kacher is an interruptor circuit, not meant to ADD. Meant to STOP the induction circuit, instead.

For those that think that what Ruslan said about a simple kacher not able to add anything, because it's AC signal will take away what it gives, should see my video, showing how I can light even a 100w bulb, at the grenade's output, with just my Kacher on.

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Does the whole kacher process subtract?
        
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   The idea of the kacher is that it is what Tesla calls an interrupter circuit. Meant to stop the induction circuits pulse, so that voltage as well as current will be increased.
Like my analogy of pinching and quickly releasing the water hose, to see how it increases the force of the water. In our case, the output at the bulbs, and at the feed back circuit.
  Much of what Ruslan mentioned, is BS. If it wasn't for Oleg, his circuit builder, he would have nothing to show for it. I do trust what Stalker says, instead. And he has the best videos.

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   The idea of the kacher is that it is what Tesla calls an interrupter circuit. Meant to stop the induction circuits pulse, so that voltage as well as current will be increased.
Like my analogy of pinching and quickly releasing the water hose, to see how it increases the force of the water. In our case, the output at the bulbs, and at the feed back circuit.
  Much of what Ruslan mentioned, is BS. If it wasn't for Oleg, his circuit builder, he would have nothing to show for it. I do trust what Stalker says, instead. And he has the best videos.

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Am glad you said voltage and current will increase, that's increase in power

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   Yes, that is the idea. Now, to put it to the test. But, tuning is the toughest part, and not easy to get the all the right frequencies working properly, as they should.
That is why this is all so difficult to do. And if the grenade output is not sufficient, the feed back circuit will not produce hardly any output, and possibly not even light its green Led indicator.

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-05-26, 14:13:39
Hi Itsu,

By comparison; when you compare the scope shot of this video ;https://youtu.be/J7du9f-f9t0
To the scope shot of this; https://youtu.be/oC-YP1aDj4Q , you will notice the difference in signal movement. The later could not attain the violent movement of the former because voltage lever is low(maximum 65vdc) and few pulses. Any attempt to increase either of them( voltage or pulse) beyond a certain limit, device will trip off. Whereas, that is the moment of current addition.

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Max,

so looking at both screenshots:











I see 1st screenshot the (yellow) kacher ringing down completely, but it seems the kacher signal is not there all the time it seems to skip 1 or 2 pulses compared to the blue square wave, making it look like a violent type of signal.

But you trigger on the blue signal using a video type triggering and the blue and yellow signals are very low amplitude (500mV/div. only).
Also, the blue signal frequency is 46kHz but as said with very low (too low?) amplitude.
The kacher signal seems to be synced to the start of the blue rising pulse.


In the 2nd screenshot i see the yellow kacher signal more as unidirectional pulses at 5V/div and also the blue square wave is now 5V/div, but at a lower frequency of 25kHz.

You now trigger on the blue signal rising edge, with the yellow kacher signal synced to almost half of the blue signal pulse.


So what i am trying to say is that both screenshots show very different circumstances and settings and without any information on where these signals are taken from (diagram), it is very difficult to diagnose any problems.

This and the almost impossibility to hear anything you are saying makes it virtually impossible to help you i am afraid.

Could you more specifically tell what you mean with "device will trip off", what will trip? Do you have an automatic fuse tripping?

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   Another point that I want to mention, is that the Kacher signal pulse may need to be ideally placed at the Off time of the push pull signal pulse, instead of on the ON time. As there is less resistance at the OFF times.  But, of this I'm not certain, as I have not tried it. But, I think that itsu did try that and did not get much better result, or output while testing. However, I still think that it's worth a try.

   Below is an image from Stalker's video, although it may not be his scope shot. The idea is what counts. And will also need testing. Remember that if there is no ground line, nor resonance, then don't expect that magically the placement of the Kacher signal will make any difference.
   The earth ground line, at about the same size as the grenade output coil, or 1/2 size made of welding cable, and Kacher to induction circuit resonances,  are prerequisites, to seeing any effects, at all. Sometimes I can go for days without the slightest effect of what I call the Radio Moscow, sound, nor any other signs of resonance, or improvements. That hissing sound does indicate some form of resonance. In my opinion. Along with the ability to light several 100w bulbs brightly. Not just barely...

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Nice Grenade you have here Itsu.
Minimum inductance. Inductance cancellation, but you can't get zero: clockwise and counterclockwise.

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   Itsu:
   Wow, what a great looking grenade, as well as your 3D printed stand.
   You seam to have to most accurate replication that I've seen yet. And hopefully with your help, we can crack this nut.

   My thoughts on this is that we are close, and that it's probably only a tuning issue to resolve.
   So, we should not throw our baby out, with the bath water.

   Max: Thank for your comments, and ideas.

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Nice you have your tread now Nickz.
We wish to see better things happening.

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Thanks Max, Nick,

that Grenade i build 2 years ago with the help of Vasik and his translations.

I don't think it was designed to be "inductance cancellation" as we still have more turns counterclockwise than clockwise (or the other way around) and for what reason do we need an inductionless coil?

We might then use only a capacitor as that is what is left.

Anyway, i will do some measurements with my nanoVNA to see how the inductance varies over a frequency range and at what frequency it flips over (the zero inductance point) from an inductance to capacitance (if doing so).

Let's see what we can come up with.


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   Sounds good itsu, and I hope that Vasik and any of the other guys interested will also join in, and build some devices. As there are no better self running devices around, as yet.
   Since we don't really know what it takes to get these devices to self run, it's best to build true replications, of which there are really only just a very few.
   I understand from Vasik, I think it was, that Stalker built up 25 grenades, to finally get one that worked.

   Max:  Did you figure out why your unit is flipping the over amp protection circuit. Does your mosfet get real hot. It may be that you have too much current going in.
I use a couple of chokes at the input, as well as some filter caps, as per the Ruslan, or Stalker's schematic. This diagram below, was for the induction circuit that I replicated.



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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-24, 19:55:59
Thanks Max, Nick,

that Grenade i build 2 years ago with the help of Vasik and his translations.

I don't think it was designed to be "inductance cancellation" as we still have more turns counterclockwise than clockwise (or the other way around) and for what reason do we need an inductionless coil?

We might then use only a capacitor as that is what is left.

Anyway, i will do some measurements with my nanoVNA to see how the inductance varies over a frequency range and at what frequency it flips over (the zero inductance point) from an inductance to capacitance (if doing so).

Let's see what we can come up with.


Itsu

It probably is a multi-wave LC delay line or in the sound industry a vibrator/echo chamber.

As I do not know how it is wound (a diagram would be good), that is a guess.

See attached which is multi-phase if the inductances are different on each side.

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F.I. i want to figure out if there can be standing waves present in this Grenade/inductor and under what conditions.

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Hi Itsu,
I did a lot of work on grenade research together with Lostbro years ago.
Our goal was to create a grenade 37.5m which also has its resonance frequency at 2Mhz.
The wirelength of 37.5m would give a oppertunity to create a 1/4 standingwave at 2Mhz which means it has double resonance.
Vew months ago I succeeded in realizing this 2Mhz resonance goal.

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Quote from: Centraflow on 2023-05-25, 18:09:44
It probably is a multi-wave LC delay line or in the sound industry a vibrator/echo chamber.

As I do not know how it is wound (a diagram would be good), that is a guess.

See attached which is multi-phase if the inductances are different on each side.

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Mike,

thanks for your insights, my Grenade coil is wound as mentioned here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.msg91333#msg91333

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Quote from: Centraflow on 2023-05-25, 18:09:44
It probably is a multi-wave LC delay line or in the sound industry a vibrator/echo chamber.

As I do not know how it is wound (a diagram would be good), that is a guess.

See attached which is multi-phase if the inductances are different on each side.

Regards

Mike

Mike,

thanks for your insights, my Grenade coil is wound as mentioned here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.msg91333#msg91333

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Quote from: Apecore on 2023-05-25, 20:01:41
Hi Itsu,
I did a lot of work on grenade research together with Lostbro years ago.
Our goal was to create a grenade 37.5m which also has its resonance frequency at 2Mhz.
The wirelength of 37.5m would give a oppertunity to create a 1/4 standingwave at 2Mhz which means it has double resonance.
Vew months ago I succeeded in realizing this 2Mhz resonance goal.



Hi Ape,

good to see you here, i think Nick can now remove your wrong post in the other thread


I used my nanoVNA to measure the Grenade especially the inductance (upper graph) and the impedance (lower graph) over a 10kHz to 20Mhz range.
But i first made the same measurement using a 47uH choke for comparing:






The result of this 47uH choke is this:



So we see a slowly increasing impedance (lower graph of the 2) till resonance at 10Mhz.


Then i used my Grenade:






The result of my Grenade looks like this:



So we see a starting inductance of around 160uH at 15kHz (upper graph of the 2) till a resonance at just under 2mHz
So my Grenade (inclusive Inductor and Antenna) has similar parameters as yours (2Mhz resonance).

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   Max:  Did you figure out why your unit is flipping the over amp protection circuit. Does your mosfet get real hot. It may be that you have too much current going in.
I use a couple of chokes at the input, as well as some filter caps, as per the Ruslan, or Stalker's schematic. This diagram below, was for the induction circuit that I replicated.

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Hi Nickz,
Am still working on it. I think it's the back emf effect and I have used snubber circuit to reduce that ,. But it's not enough.  I really want to get the voltage feeding my Tesla controlled circuit  up to 130vdc and above because that is where the effect is in most cases. At that stage you see it shaking violently on scope.

As for weather my transistor is hot the answer is no.

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Hi Max,

when you say "At that stage (>130V input) you see it shaking violently on scope" what do you mean with "it"?

Is it not the intense HV HF from the kacher influencing your scope?

I remember several times with a strong kacher my scopes go crazy.

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   apecore:
   Good to see you here, and that you are posting again, and hopefully building and testing also.
I followed you on the OU.com thread, but, you quit posting there. So, good to see you here.
   I'm also hoping that Geofusion chimes in, "Hello there guys", as well. And any other builders, like Vasik, Tomtech, and of course me as well, as I plan to focus on these devices, and continue on with the tests and trials.
   I'll let my other thread on this forum, go out of site. As I can't seam to be able to remove it.
   
                     
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   PS. Max carefull with those high Kacher voltages, once you have a scope. You may have to NOT use the negative black scope lead, as once you put both leads on the induction circuits, with the Kacher also on, you'll be grounding the positive Kacher pulse to ground, through the scopes negative lead, due to the scope's grid tied ground connection. As well as sending all that voltage to your push pull's delicate circuit. Also at 130v the HV streamer will ground out, anywhere it can. The effect generation has been shown working even as low as 12v.
Ruslan mentioned that you don't need a "strong Kacher".  The ideas is NOT to add, but to interrupt the induction circuit's field instead. Of course when adding 130v to the circuit, things will fry, immediately. Just trying to avoid you burning up your scope, and circuits.  But, I did notice that your streamer can be barely seen, so, not sure if you have the duty cycle set very low, or why that spark is so small.  Anyway, good luck with your set up.

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 09:41:44
Hi Max,

when you say "At that stage (>130V input) you see it shaking violently on scope" what do you mean with "it"?

Is it not the intense HV HF from the kacher influencing your scope?

I remember several times with a strong kacher my scopes go crazy.

Itsu

Hi Itsu,

By comparison; when you compare the scope shot of this video ;https://youtu.be/J7du9f-f9t0
To the scope shot of this; https://youtu.be/oC-YP1aDj4Q , you will notice the difference in signal movement. The later could not attain the violent movement of the former because voltage lever is low(maximum 65vdc) and few pulses. Any attempt to increase either of them( voltage or pulse) beyond a certain limit, device will trip off. Whereas, that is the moment of current addition.

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   PS. Max carefull with those high Kacher voltages, once you have a scope. You may have to NOT use the negative black scope lead, as once you put both leads on the induction circuits, with the Kacher also on, you'll be grounding the positive Kacher pulse to ground, through the scopes negative lead, due to the scope's grid tied ground connection. As well as sending all that voltage to your push pull's delicate circuit. Also at 130v the HV streamer will ground out, anywhere it can, unless you tone down the duty cycle. And if the Kacher coils aren't tuned to the right self running frequency, the circuits frequency trim pots controller will not really make up for it.

Thanks for the piece of advice.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-05-26, 14:13:09
Ruslan mentioned that you don't need a "strong Kacher".

He was referring to those blazing Tesla coil build like those called Slayer that could arc up to 20cm and above.

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-05-26, 14:13:09

  The ideas is NOT to add, but to interrupt the induction circuit's field instead.

If it doesn't interrupt how will it add.

Maxolous



    Max:  The kacher signal will do nothing to improve the output of the induction circuit pulse, IF, the kacher signal is not in resonance. And if you don't have a proper earth ground line, also. Your kacher looks too long to provide for the right frequency needed. About 1.5MHz or so. Not like yours which is running at too low a frequency for resonance.
5mm streamers should be long enough, more will cause problems. There should be no violent shaking going on. That is not a good sign.
   Please connect some bulbs. To see any real interaction. The load of bulbs needs to be above 300 to 500 watts, so as to not be fooled by the improved output, due to the addition of more voltage and current from the Kacher. A smaller load of bulbs will light up more, but, with no OU, nor able to self run. So, don't be fooled by that.
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   Max, the ideas is not to ADD, anything. The purpose of the Kacher is an interruptor circuit, not meant to ADD. Meant to STOP the induction circuit, instead.

For those that think that what Ruslan said about a simple kacher not able to add anything, because it's AC signal will take away what it gives, should see my video, showing how I can light even a 100w bulb, at the grenade's output, with just my Kacher on.

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-05-26, 14:42:29
   Max, the ideas is not to ADD, anything. The purpose of the Kacher is an interruptor circuit, not meant to ADD. Meant to STOP the induction circuit, instead.

For those that think that what Ruslan said about a simple kacher not able to add anything, because it's AC signal will take away what it gives, should see my video, showing how I can light even a 100w bulb, at the grenade's output, with just my Kacher on.

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Does the whole kacher process subtract?

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   The idea of the kacher is that it is what Tesla calls an interrupter circuit. Meant to stop the induction circuits pulse, so that voltage as well as current will be increased.
Like my analogy of pinching and quickly releasing the water hose, to see how it increases the force of the water. In our case, the output at the bulbs, and at the feed back circuit.
  Much of what Ruslan mentioned, is BS. If it wasn't for Oleg, his circuit builder, he would have nothing to show for it. I do trust what Stalker says, instead. And he has the best videos.

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-05-26, 15:09:37
   The idea of the kacher is that it is what Tesla calls an interrupter circuit. Meant to stop the induction circuits pulse, so that voltage as well as current will be increased.
Like my analogy of pinching and quickly releasing the water hose, to see how it increases the force of the water. In our case, the output at the bulbs, and at the feed back circuit.
  Much of what Ruslan mentioned, is BS. If it wasn't for Oleg, his circuit builder, he would have nothing to show for it. I do trust what Stalker says, instead. And he has the best videos.

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Am glad you said voltage and current will increase, that's increase in power

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   Yes, that is the idea. Now, to put it to the test. But, tuning is the toughest part, and not easy to get the all the right frequencies working properly, as they should.
That is why this is all so difficult to do. And if the grenade output is not sufficient, the feed back circuit will not produce hardly any output, and possibly not even light its green Led indicator.

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 16:52:26


Max,

so looking at both screenshots:

I see 1st screenshot the (yellow) kacher ringing down completely, but it seems the kacher signal is not there all the time it seems to skip 1 or 2 pulses compared to the blue square wave, making it look like a violent type of signal.

Hi Itsu.

Your observations are right. The first signals were taken while the probes,(blue) on push pull ic output, put while the second probe(yellow) hung around the antenna of kacher. At this time the signal from kacher was grossly absorbed, so I have to zoom in to bring out the scope shot. Hence, the low amplitudes.


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But you trigger on the blue
signal using a video type triggering and the blue and yellow signals are very low amplitude (500mV/div. only).
Also, the blue signal frequency is 46kHz but as said with very low (too low?) amplitude.
The kacher signal seems to be synced to the start of the blue rising pulse.

The signal of the kacher started at the start blue rising edge because that was where sync took strong effect. Moreso, at this stage I have not built in my delay circuit to delay pp signal. Remember, when Tesla is late pp must be delayed. That was what you saw in the following shot when the signal was at the crest. The freq of 46khz you saw was as a result of kacher effect, you already know that it may double or triple.

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 16:52:26


In the 2nd screenshot i see the yellow kacher signal more as unidirectional pulses at 5V/div and also the blue square wave is now 5V/div, but at a lower frequency of 25kHz.

The unidirectional signal you saw was taken from gate of mosfet unlike the first screen shot which depicts signal taken from above kacher antenna and it was oscillating at it resonance freq.

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 16:52:26

You now trigger on the blue signal rising edge, with the yellow kacher signal synced to almost half of the blue signal pulse.

At this time  I had Incorporated delay cct. So, sync became effectively strong there

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So what i am trying to say is that both screenshots show very different circumstances and settings and without any information on where these signals are taken from (diagram), it is very difficult to diagnose any problems.

They were different time actually.
I was only trying to show you how I should have it if not that it was tripping off. I couldn't go full throttle.

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This and the almost impossibility to hear anything you are saying

I know . It's my phone's problem. Maybe I'll need a mic


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Could you more specifically tell what you mean with "device will trip off", what will trip? Do you have an automatic fuse tripping?

Itsu

I will figure it out soon.
Maybe I need to put a diode in my ps.

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   Another point that I want to mention, is that the Kacher signal pulse may need to be ideally placed at the Off time of the push pull signal pulse, instead of on the ON time. As there is less resistance at the OFF times.  But, of this I'm not certain, as I have not tried it. But, I think that itsu did try that and did not get much better result, or output while testing. However, I still think that it's worth a try.

   Below is an image from Stalker's video, although it may not be his scope shot. The idea is what counts. And will also need testing. Remember that if there is no ground line, nor resonance, then don't expect that magically the placement of the Kacher signal will make any difference.
   The earth ground line, at about the same size as the grenade output coil, or 1/2 size made of welding cable, and Kacher to induction circuit resonances,  are prerequisites, to seeing any effects, at all. Sometimes I can go for days without the slightest effect of what I call the Radio Moscow, sound, nor any other signs of resonance, or improvements. That hissing sound does indicate some form of resonance. In my opinion. Along with the ability to light several 100w bulbs brightly. Not just barely...

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 16:52:26


Max,

so looking at both screenshots:











I see 1st screenshot the (yellow) kacher ringing down completely, but it seems the kacher signal is not there all the time it seems to skip 1 or 2 pulses compared to the blue square wave, making it look like a violent type of signal.

Hi Itsu.

Your observations are right. The first signals were taken while the probes,(blue) on push pull ic output, put while the second probe(yellow) hung around the antenna of kacher. At this time the signal from kacher was grossly absorbed, so I have to zoom in to bring out the scope shot. Hence, the low amplitudes.


Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 16:52:26

But you trigger on the blue
signal using a video type triggering and the blue and yellow signals are very low amplitude (500mV/div. only).
Also, the blue signal frequency is 46kHz but as said with very low (too low?) amplitude.
The kacher signal seems to be synced to the start of the blue rising pulse.

The signal of the kacher started at the start blue rising edge because that was where sync took strong effect. Moreso, at this stage I have not built in my delay circuit to delay pp signal. Remember, when Tesla is late pp must be delayed. That was what you saw in the following shot when the signal was at the crest. The freq of 46khz you saw was as a result of kacher effect, you already know that it may double or triple.

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 16:52:26


In the 2nd screenshot i see the yellow kacher signal more as unidirectional pulses at 5V/div and also the blue square wave is now 5V/div, but at a lower frequency of 25kHz.

The unidirectional signal you saw was taken from gate of mosfet unlike the first screen shot which depicts signal taken from above kacher antenna and it was oscillating at it resonance freq.

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 16:52:26

You now trigger on the blue signal rising edge, with the yellow kacher signal synced to almost half of the blue signal pulse.

At this time  I had Incorporated delay cct. So, sync became effectively strong there

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 16:52:26


So what i am trying to say is that both screenshots show very different circumstances and settings and without any information on where these signals are taken from (diagram), it is very difficult to diagnose any problems.

They were different time actually.
I was only trying to show you how I should have it if not that it was tripping off. I couldn't go full throttle.

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 16:52:26

This and the almost impossibility to hear anything you are saying

I know . It's my phone's problem. Maybe I'll need a mic


Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 16:52:26

Could you more specifically tell what you mean with "device will trip off", what will trip? Do you have an automatic fuse tripping?

Itsu

I will figure it out soon.
Maybe I need to put a diode in my ps.

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   Another point that I want to mention, is that the Kacher signal pulse may need to be ideally placed at the Off time of the push pull signal pulse, instead of on the ON time. As there is less resistance at the OFF times.  But, of this I'm not certain, as I have not tried it. But, I think that itsu did try that and did not get much better result, or output while testing. However, I still think that it's worth a try.

   Below is an image from Stalker's video, although it may not be his scope shot. The idea is what counts. And will also need testing. Remember that if there is no ground line, nor resonance, then don't expect that magically the placement of the Kacher signal will make any difference.
   The earth ground line, at about the same size as the grenade output coil, or 1/2 size made of welding cable, and Kacher to induction circuit resonances,  are prerequisites, to seeing any effects, at all. Sometimes I can go for days without the slightest effect of what I call the Radio Moscow, sound, nor any other signs of resonance, or improvements. That hissing sound does indicate some form of resonance. In my opinion. Along with the ability to light several 100w bulbs brightly. Not just barely...

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Hi Nickz,

You are completely wrong there. You have to know what you're doing if you must make headway building this contraption. It doesn't give room for mediocrity.
You must be meticulous about it. Otherwise, you could do 99% and still not have effect. You see, right shoe for right foot and left shoe for left foot that's how it works. I made a video about that.

https://youtu.be/Bi7Wqpo9ihw

You must choose where to put it according to your push-pull side.
Your two signals from your pp are displaced by 180° . You cannot choose one as been fed to your controlled tests and put it on the other.

I found out that there are so much deception in the net. Most cct were perverted.

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Max,

thanks for your explanations, although i still have some questions like when you say:

"The first signals were taken while the probes,(blue) on push pull ic output" does it mean that the push pull ic output only outputs a 1V amplitude?

or when you say:

"The freq of 46khz you saw was as a result of kacher effect, you already know that it may double or triple" does that mean that the kacher is causing the push pull IC to almost double its frequency? I never saw that happening with me.

By the way, again looking at the scope, the 1st blue signal period spans 6.6 divisions of 5us meaning 33us or a frequency of 30kHz, so not the shown 46kHz (15us positive, 18us zero, so a duty cycle of 45.45%).
The 2nd blue positive signal spans 3.4 divisions of 5us or 17us, so if with again 45.45% duty cycle, this means a frequency of 27kHz, so no tripling or doubling and the shown 46 and 25kHz can not be right.

But i understand you are still looking for the reason your device is tripping off and as you are the only one knowing how your device is build up, i wish you success with that.

Edited some wrong timing calculations

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   What I mentioned above are NOT my ideas, and therefore I am not "wrong".
As mentioned, I am just repeating what Stalker has suggested, in his video. Not trying to force MY ideas on you.
   If you think that Stalker is wrong or lying even, then so be it. But, it's not me that said that, but him.
   So, therefore when you say that my comment is "wrong", well, it may be, and is why I'm putting it out there to be tested. Itsu may have given it a shot, but, as mentioned unless you have your tuned earth ground line and Kacher/induction circuit resonance in place, you are not really testing what happens to these circuits.
    Also, we can't tell what you are saying, on your videos, at all. Sorry.

   When you say in your post that someone is "completely wrong", (me),  you should be completely ready to explain why you think so, and have some proof of that.
Otherwise, we get no where, and I do feel that Stalker is not trying to fool us. Nor is he trying to make a profit on any of this, as Ruslan, and others are.

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 20:43:47
Max,

thanks for your explanations, although i still have some questions like when you say:

"The first signals were taken while the probes,(blue) on push pull ic output" does it mean that the push pull ic output only outputs a 1V amplitude?
I haven't measured it anyhow, signal voltages from pp ic output are usually small maybe 2v or 3v

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 20:43:47

or when you say:

"The freq of 46khz you saw was as a result of kacher effect, you already know that it may double or triple" does that mean that the kacher is causing the push pull IC to almost double its frequency? I never saw that happening with me.

Due to the shaky effect of kacher on pp, yes. Apparently, scope sees more signals than when  pp is steady.

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 20:43:47

By the way, again looking at the scope, the 1st blue signal period spans 6.6us meaning a frequency of 151kHz, so not the shown 46kHz (3us positive, 3.6us zero, so a duty cycle of 45.45%).
The 2nd blue positive signal spans 3.4us, so if with again 45.45% duty cycle, this means a frequency of 135kHz, so no tripling or doubling and the shown 46 and 25kHz can not be right.

The second build signal resonates at 25khz I might not remember the freq. of the first build of head

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-26, 20:43:47

But i understand you are still looking for the reason your device is tripping off and as you are the only one knowing how your device is build up, i wish you success with that.


Itsu
Yeah!
It should not be much problem. The first build didn't have such problem.
I will find solution to it soon.

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   Max:
   What I mentioned above are NOT my ideas, and therefore I am not "wrong".
As mentioned, I am just repeating what Stalker has suggested, in his video. Not trying to force MY ideas on you.
   If you think that Stalker is wrong or lying even, then so be it. But, it's not me that said that, but him.
   So, therefore when you say that my comment is "wrong", well, it may be, and is why I'm putting it out there to be tested. Itsu may have given it a shot, but, as mentioned unless you have your tuned earth ground line and Kacher/induction circuit resonance in place, you are not really testing what happens to these circuits.
    Also, we can't tell what you are saying, on your videos, at all. Sorry.

   When you say in your post that someone is "completely wrong", (me),  you should be completely ready to explain why you think so, and have some proof of that.
Otherwise, we get no where, and I do feel that Stalker is not trying to fool us. Nor is he trying to make a profit on any of this, as Ruslan, and others are.

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Nickz,

For my video, I think you will hear me better if you put on your earpiece. Sorry for that.

Stalker specifically pointed out that  pulses are put at the start of a rising edge. That was demonstrated in one of his videos when he spoke about delay cct for pp. However, I found out that, a longer delay could shift the sync position farther to the crest.

Now, if you took one output of pp signal and fed it to the controlled Tesla and put your scope probe on the other one, it would appear that the off period is where your kacher signal is. I hope you get

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If i remember correctly, the kacher needs to be fired on a specific moment compared to the Inductor sine wave like shown in this screenshot Nick provided a few posts ago:

Where that specific point is in relation to the Push Pull signal (creating the Inductor sine wave) i am not sure yet.


By the way, my Push Pull  (TL494) runs on 12V, so its output signals are 12V going to a TC4093 (for delay) also running on 12V so with also 12V output signals feeding the MOSFET drivers.


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   AG:
   As I had mentioned, although the previous scope shot that I posted may not have been from Stalker. However he did post it on his video as an example of what to look for.
Sergey's directions post below was from Stalker. Might be interesting.
It was sent to me by one of our members here. As he knows that I have some faith in what Stalker says. Possibly some of the ideas may not be translated quite right, though.
   One of my doubts is his grenade frequency, of 15.6MHz,  and that it needs to output HF, or it won't work. Is 15KHz to 20KHz considered high frequency?
What do you think about this Itsu? As the rest of the system needs to be tuned to the grenade. And you are about to make further tests of your grenade.

  AG:
    I think that the scope shot I posted is NOT ambiguous, and no one else has shown anything like that, as yet.
   Remember I am on the track of what is truth, and what is BS, not just some untested opinions. If what I mention is really wrong, as Max thinks, (and he then makes a big point of it), of just how "completely wrong" I am. I'll be the first one to change my opinion. I'm not trying to make a point of anything. Trying to build something that WORKS...


   

     


« Sent to: NickZ on: May 26, 2023,

A fragment from conversation with Sergey Stalker
A gradient coil is a high-frequency resonator that operates simultaneously at several frequencies that are multiples of a half wave. It is also a capacitor plate in relation to the antenna.
I have a 15.6 megahertz gradient coil frequency, antenna is at the same frequency.
Tesla tuned to antenna at a multiplicity of 1.5 megahertz with a little offset. Antenna - a top capacitance for Tesla coil.
The antenna wire coiled into a spiral emits at 15.6 megahertz.
Shnyaga is optional, this is a mirror for the antenna wave. Often a connection of wires of different diameters is sufficient.
This is only important when using a kacher to modulate high frequency. If the circuit is a controlled Tesla coil, then the effect of the magnetic field (from gradient coil) is not required.
Everything starts with a gradient coil and is built to match it. Antenna to match the gradient coil,
Tesla coil to match the antenna. Push pool to match the gradient coil.
If the gradient coil does not work - there is no HF spectrum, then nothing will come of it, just rewind.
Grounding through a diode to the cold end of the grenade (cathode to the ground).
Tesla coil also grounded (directly).
The diode does not need to affect the operation of the coil, it affects the operation of the capacitor formed by the coils.
In relation to the gradient coil, the diode is located in the current node.
The collision of magnetic fields creates a diverging wave from the center of the conductor to the edges, and the process of interference begins with the formation of the RF spectrum. The frequency at which collisions occur is neither dependent on the load nor on whether the ends are closed or open. This is not LC resonance, so it is convenient to tune everything to match it.
I called it magnetic resonance for myself.

Q: And if so, which magnetic fields are colliding? Gradient coil's inductor and the grenadeitself?

In the grenade itself, from two counter wound bifilar coils.
Q: or "halves" of a grenade?
You can also call them halves.
First, gradient coil is made, its magnetic resonance determined, then we look at whether it generates
a HF spectrum when shorted, if so, then it's cool, if not - throwing the turns over the layers and see
what comes out, rework until it produce some HF.
According to the HF spectrum of the gradient coil, we determine on which frequency we will work
on - this will be the frequency for the antenna.
Tesla is built in multiplicity to match the antenna.
Push pool in multiplicity to magnetic resonance.
I called it magnetic resonance, since two bifilar electromagnets interact. This is not LC resonance.
The frequency does not change either from the load, or from the presence of closed or open ends of
the gradient coil. LC is sure to detune very far in such changing conditions.
Ground wire 18 meters and a buried stainless steel case from an old washing machine.
        

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« Sent to: NickZ on: May 26, 2023,

A fragment from conversation with Sergey Stalker
A gradient coil is a high-frequency resonator that operates simultaneously at several frequencies that are multiples of a half wave. It is also a capacitor plate in relation to the antenna.
I have a 15.6 megahertz gradient coil frequency, antenna is at the same frequency.
Tesla tuned to antenna at a multiplicity of 1.5 megahertz with a little offset. Antenna - a top capacitance for Tesla coil.
The antenna wire coiled into a spiral emits at 15.6 megahertz.
Shnyaga is optional, this is a mirror for the antenna wave. Often a connection of wires of different diameters is sufficient.
This is only important when using a kacher to modulate high frequency. If the circuit is a controlled Tesla coil, then the effect of the magnetic field (from gradient coil) is not required.
Everything starts with a gradient coil and is built to match it. Antenna to match the gradient coil,
Tesla coil to match the antenna. Push pool to match the gradient coil.
If the gradient coil does not work - there is no HF spectrum, then nothing will come of it, just rewind.
Grounding through a diode to the cold end of the grenade (cathode to the ground).
Tesla coil also grounded (directly).
The diode does not need to affect the operation of the coil, it affects the operation of the capacitor formed by the coils.
In relation to the gradient coil, the diode is located in the current node.
The collision of magnetic fields creates a diverging wave from the center of the conductor to the edges, and the process of interference begins with the formation of the RF spectrum. The frequency at which collisions occur is neither dependent on the load nor on whether the ends are closed or open. This is not LC resonance, so it is convenient to tune everything to match it.
I called it magnetic resonance for myself.

Q: And if so, which magnetic fields are colliding? Gradient coil's inductor and the grenadeitself?

In the grenade itself, from two counter wound bifilar coils.
Q: or "halves" of a grenade?
You can also call them halves.
First, gradient coil is made, its magnetic resonance determined, then we look at whether it generates
a HF spectrum when shorted, if so, then it's cool, if not - throwing the turns over the layers and see
what comes out, rework until it produce some HF.
According to the HF spectrum of the gradient coil, we determine on which frequency we will work
on - this will be the frequency for the antenna.
Tesla is built in multiplicity to match the antenna.
Push pool in multiplicity to magnetic resonance.
I called it magnetic resonance, since two bifilar electromagnets interact. This is not LC resonance.
The frequency does not change either from the load, or from the presence of closed or open ends of
the gradient coil. LC is sure to detune very far in such changing conditions.
Ground wire 18 meters and a buried stainless steel case from an old washing machine.

I see everything here as true.

Dear Nickz,
Nothing is wrong with PP freq. of 15.6KHZ. it is workable.

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Nickz and Itsu,

I found out why my device was tripping off: the pathway of signal from the drain of my controlled Tesla MOSFET to earth was not properly established. It was caused by when I was etching my prototype board for this build.
My oversight.

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Stalker mentions Grenade frequency of 15.6Mhz. Even a kacher can't go that high.
That's why I asked itsu what he thinks. And the antenna coil has to match that, as well.
perhaps I don't ubderstand. The whole ststem has to match the 15.6MHz frequency???
Pease correct me, if I'm not getting this.

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Max,

good to hear you found the problem, so now you can go full throttle  O0



Nick,

that's an interesting piece of information you got there, but it raises more questions (due to translation problems?) than giving answers.

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A gradient coil is a high-frequency resonator that operates simultaneously at several frequencies that are multiples of a half wave

This gradient coil (Grenade) is indeed a high-frequency resonator as i have shown, mine resonates at 2MHz.

But 2Mhz corresponds to a wavelength of 150m and as my Grenade is build out of 37.5m long wire it therefor looks like it resonates as a 1/4 (quarter) wave length resonator (most obvious).

On the other hand, it is common practice to "shorten" an antenna by inserting a coil (coiling up a part of the antenna wire) in the antenna wire so that you have a physical shorter antenna then the wavelength of the frequency would dictate.

It could be that this Grenade is cramping all of its 150m wavelength into this 37.5m due to its being coiled up the way it is (less obvious).


If i go for the most obvious way (1/4 (quarter) wave length resonator), then we need to turn it into a 1/2 (half) wave resonator (4Mhz) and let it create multiple harmonics (8, 16, etc. MHz).
1/2 (half) wave resonators (antenna's) are normally fed in the middle to create a half-wave dipole, but this is not possible here.


So even the above single sentence is raising so many questions.



So no, i do not see my Grenade being a 15.6 megahertz gradient coil frequency (does that means his Grenade resonates as 15.6MHz?) nor is my antenna, which according to this calculator:
https://hamwaves.com/inductance/en/index.html#input     is self resonating at 41MHz.


And yes, i do consider 15kHz to 20kHz to be HF as there are radio transmitters in that range see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_low_frequency.

Sorry for creating more confusion perhaps.

Need to study this piece of information further.

Itsu
        

Concerning my measurement of the Grenade using the nanoVNA (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104820#msg104820), some additional information.

With the VNA you can make some 3 different measurements as shown in this picture (the DUT (Device Under Test) being the Grenade):

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.25#:~:text=Concerning%20my%20measurement,wave%20resonance).%0A%0A%0AItsu

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Itsu,

It's indeed a ¼wave resonance.

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Max,

i tend to agree looking at the graph, so like our tesla coil / kacher.

But a coil also should have a half wave resonance point and some harmonics, but the graph does not show any.

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Max,

i tend to agree looking at the graph, so like our tesla coil / kacher.

But a coil also should have a half wave resonance point and some harmonics, but the graph does not show any.

Itsu

Hi Itsu,

One of the best method for me to check my grenade coil is to use spectrum analyzer. We have gone through that in the past. It's still very invaluable to me.

Once you know the resonance frequency of your grenade coil , go to it sub-harmonic driven by square wave to attract all it harmonic freq.  You know square wave is made up of other sine waves. Detect by evaluation the one that suit your device. Such parasitic wave is what you need to drive your Tesla, if we'll mimicked you will see results.

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It is also important to note that if a coil is not well wound, you may never see usable harmonic.

I  usually get result when my inductance is equal or less than 100μH

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   Itsu:
   Ok, thanks for your opinion. As you may know, I am not good at math, nor do I want to be. So, your opinions are very valuable to me.
   The guy who passed this information to me, also mentioned that there is NO errors due to the translation. And that makes things even more uncertain.
   My grenade is old, like about 5 years old, but it also runs best at around 1.8KHz, or so, also. Depending on tuning caps, of which I am limited on, especially the WIMA 0.47uf inductor tuning capacitors. As well as the 0.1uf wima caps for the grenade output side, before the rectifier. As mine can get very hot and crack. Mine are cracked, but fixed with epoxy, and still work.
   While my Kacher runs best at around 950KHz to about 1.2MHz, or so. So, the suggested frequency and harmonics matches mentioned by others don't work for me, and so therefore  I tune by tuning for best gain, instead.
   Any way, I also don't think that the information provided is factual, nor makes much sense to me. As well as also some of the other information written by Stalker previously.
Therefore I don't know if we can just build away without any issues nor problems, using his information. As you have done itsu previously, and I also feel that this info is not factual, and may be in error. Also keeping in mind that no two self runner are running at the same frequencies, so, I tune by gain, not by set frequencies. As I found out that NOTHING happen, using the supposed harmonics, nor suggested set frequencies. But, the actual sync, can be somewhere close by, instead. Geofusion had pretty interesting results, even without using a scope, at first.

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With a well arrangements of your modules(grenade, tank circuit, yoke coils, diodes, inductors, Tesla coil shinyaga, push-pull, controlled Tesla or kacher, caps) you will see gain. Even without resonance. Resonance is used to maximize output. I found that out

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   Max:  Not one person in any of our forums has shown an actual gain, perhaps you'll be the first. This is about overunity, and self running etc. Not just about showing a gain, or resonance, but providing for some actual OU, instead.  The more, the better. As lighting a little Led bulb for free, is not going to be of much help.

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With a well arrangements of your modules(grenade, tank circuit, yoke coils, diodes, inductors, Tesla coil shinyaga, push-pull, controlled Tesla or kacher, caps) you will see gain. Even without resonance. Resonance is used to maximize output. I found that out

Maxolous


   Max:  Not one person in any of our forums has shown an actual gain, perhaps you'll be the first. This is about overunity, and self running etc. Not just about showing a gain, or resonance, but providing for some actual OU, instead.  The more, the better. As lighting a little Led bulb for free, is not going to be of much help.

   NickZ

Nickz,
What is gain, gain is taken out what you put in and have some extra.

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-05-28, 10:55:47
Hi Itsu,

One of the best method for me to check my grenade coil is to use spectrum analyzer. We have gone through that in the past. It's still very invaluable to me.

Once you know the resonance frequency of your grenade coil , go to it sub-harmonic driven by square wave to attract all it harmonic freq.  You know square wave is made up of other sine waves. Detect by evaluation the one that suit your device. Such parasitic wave is what you need to drive your Tesla, if we'll mimicked you will see results.

Maxolous

Hi Max,

the nanoVNA also uses a square wave to excite the device under test, so i would expect to see the harmonics there as well.
But i will try using my spectrum analyzer to see if i have different results.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #46 on: 2023-05-28, 22:12:26 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-28, 20:19:25
Hi Max,

the nanoVNA also uses a square wave to excite the device under test, so i would expect to see the harmonics there as well.
But i will try using my spectrum analyzer to see if i have different results.

Itsu

Itsu,
Okay,
Sure do.
        

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  What is a nanoVNA. Sorry to ask.
   I'll bet you'll get all the harmonics showing up on your analyzer. As they are most likely, all there.
   
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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-05-28, 22:57:44
   Itsu:
  What is a nanoVNA. Sorry to ask.
   I'll bet you'll get all the harmonics showing up on your analyzer. As they are most likely, all there.
   
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Nick,

a nanoVNA is a handheld VNA (Vector Network Analyzer) and can be used to measure all kind of parameters of a device like a Spectrum Analyzer does, but there are differences:    https://www.testandmeasurementtips.com/how-spectrum-analyzers-differ-from-network-analyzers/

My nanoVNA has a frequency sweeping range from 10kHz to 2.7GHz, and it has 2 ports to attach the DUT (Device Under Test) and a USB interface to a PC to show the results on (or on its little screen), see picture.

As can be seen here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104820#msg104820 i already used it to analyze my Grenade on inductance and impedance across a 10kHz to 20MHz range.
There you can see that my Grenade resonates around 2MHz but that almost no harmonics are seen.

But as Max also mentioned, perhaps the better instrument to look for harmonics is the Spectrum Analyzer which works differently than the nanoVNA and might show them.

Itsu


   Itsu:
   Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #49 on: 2023-05-29, 16:21:00 »


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    Guys:
   Here is a video explaining the how and why when a circuit is opened, what happens to the emf or bemf, and why this effect may be important in our OU devices.
   Also why the Kacher may be taking advantage of the OFF times, that I mentioned.  And why the Kacher is not actually adding anything, but interrupting the flow from the magnetic induction circuit, thus producing a higher output therefrom, each time the field changes directions. As this also can affect the surrounding ambient medium around the device. What Ruslan called "shakes or vibrates" the surrounding ambient near the coils, thus causing this additional energy to enter the device, by this type of disruption, from the Aether surrounding the device. This effect was also noticed by Tesla, and he also has explained the dangers it can cause.

   https://youtu.be/mWT0VTUxbQg

   Max, this information and video are for you, and anyone else wondering how the BEMF can be the cause and reason for any additional extra energy. Which is further affected by the Kacher's  interruptor signal pulse. It's also important to tune the Kacher coils size first, to their self running frequency, that matches the needed inductor/grenade frequencies, and not to expect the trim pots on the circuits will make up for it. As the kacher's coils need to be first turned to the proper resonant frequency, matched to the rest of the induction circuits.
This is where things get very tricky.
   

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #50 on: 2023-05-29, 19:10:52 »
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The grenade is indeed a 1/4 wave resonator as obtained by exposing the grenade to a teslacoil with same frequency..
You have one side 0V and other end max V
When you finetune the last layer and get it to 2Mhz exact in DUT mode you will see 1,4,6  and 8Mhz  harmonics also.

Because you need a groundwire I used a 37.5m 16mm^2 in order to match 1/2 wave.
In my opinion lower frequency resonating grenades need to be compensated by groundwire length.
My opinion

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Hi Ape,

thanks for your opinion.

It seems so that it is a 1/4 wave resonator the way i have measured it (equipment ground to one end forcing it to 1/4 wave resonance), but it should be able to resonate at 1/2 wave by hooking it up differently, only then to measure it is another story.

Not sure how the Grenade is hooked up in the Ruslan setup (no ground connected directly to it as i understand, see ground connection on the left side of the diagram) so it could be in half-wave resonance.

Also, when it is resonating slightly under 2MHz it also should have harmonics, so these harmonics are not linked alone to the 2MHz frequency and will be slightly under 4, 6, 8 etc. MHz me thinks.


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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #52 on: 2023-05-30, 03:53:54 »


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   My 28 turn yoke secondary coil connects to the grenade output coil just like in your Stalkers diagram. I've tried different ways to connect things up. But you can try placing your earth ground line on the wima O.47uf capacitor. Or at wima tuning cap  0.15uf at the grenade output where the output is taken from, but before the full bridge rectifier.  Or any where or point that you notice an improvement, at the output or at the bulbs. Then with the ground line connected resonance tuning can be done.
Without having proper resonance,  the ground line won't make any difference. That's how to tell if you have properly tuned for  resonance, or not.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #53 on: 2023-05-30, 08:36:15 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-05-29, 19:59:24


Not sure how the Grenade is hooked up in the Ruslan setup (no ground connected directly to it as i understand, see ground connection on the left side of the diagram) so it could be in half-wave resonance.



Regards Itsu

Itsu,
Incase you're wondering where to put your earth as in Ruslan style;
-Put your grenade in place under antenna
-Start your controlled Tesla or kacher(betterfor the test)
-Place a 40w bulb on grenade O/P
-Use earth to tease both grenade terminals when kacher is on.
-Find out which is brighter.
-You just determined your grenade side that will be  earthed
Note. The PP will be off

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #56 on: 2023-05-30, 17:53:02 »


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Nickz,
I read your reply, the only question is ;are you contented with what you have?
If no, what are you doing about it?
Are you gonna wait for someone to make the difference only to have you to contend with as to how true.

My humble opinion.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #57 on: 2023-05-30, 18:37:34 »


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Nickz,
What am trying to say is, it is your inductor's inductance and your set PP frequency that determines your cap.

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   Max: Your previous reply is NOT very humble.
   As mentioned, I follow the schematic and replicate what is shown to work.
   If an honest try at replication does not work, I keep trying to figure out what to do about it.
Remember I have an intact fully built system with a feed back circuit and all.
Are you content with what you built, or is it what apecore calls a deco art piece?
My caps used are what is shown on  the schematic, and are installed on my induction circuit, and also on the grenade output coil, as mentioned.
I do further tune to best resonance, as well.

   I have been trying to help you...even while you insult me, with "you are completlly wrong", and if I am "contented with what I have, and what am I going to do about it"?
And also, that people "will have you to contend with".
   Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.


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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #58 on: 2023-05-30, 19:45:02 »


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I hate to kick the bee hive  8) but have you found out how to produce standing waves in the kacher ?


   AG. No, waiting for you to show us just how to do that, and how well it worked for you, first.
   Cause, am not looking for standing waves.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #59 on: 2023-05-31, 05:14:11 »
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i posted copy of Don smith how it works a couple of times already other than forcing you to listen to his libary of vids what can i do if you all ignor it  >:-) ;) its don smith  2003 the one where he talks over the phone.

Hi AG. I searched for your post on Don Smith but couldn't find anything. Would you mind pointing me to it?
        

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #60 on: 2023-05-31, 19:45:34 »


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Guys,

could you please adhere to the normal practice of answering to a post with a new post, not by "adding" comments in the first poster post.

Also do not include your own text in the quote box when adding text or answering to a quoted text.

It makes it all very confusing to follow.

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   Thanks, Itsu.
   I agree, and will do.
   I have also been trying to focus on this device, but, some members would rather make distracting off topic suggestion and insults, instead.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #62 on: 2023-06-01, 09:26:18 »


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I looked at my Grenade (with Inductor and antenna) using several methods / equipment to determine its resonance frequencies / harmonics.

Here i present the result using Spectrum Analyzers


I have the Inductor and Antenna around the Grenade left alone with both leads open.

I "excite" the Grenade with a coupling coil (4 turns) attached to my FG set for square wave, and measure the resulting signals using the SA probe ground lead on one of the Grenade leads and the SA probe tip connected to the insulation of the other end thus avoiding to "load" the Grenade too much with the 50 Ohm impedance of the SA, see diagram.

Results can be seen in the attached pictures, first the MDO3054 SA results, then the Rigol DSA 815 results.

The strongest response was with the FG set to 1.87MHz (1/4 wave resonance), and the generated harmonics shown are:


1.87MHz (base resonance)
5.6MHz  (3rd Harmonic)
9.33MHz (5th Harmonic)
13.1MHz (7th Harmonic)
16.8MHz (9th Harmonic, strongest)
20.5MHz (11th Harmonic)
24.3MHz (13th Harmonic)
etc.


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   Ok, thanks for the info. Can you explain as you see it, just what does that tell you?
Seams like the numbers don't really match up to what Stalker mentioned.
And that makes me think that there may also be something wrong with the previous build information and device instructions, as well.
   Thanks again itsu.

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Nick,

well you mentioned here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104865#msg104865 that: "Stalker mentions Grenade frequency of 15.6Mhz", so perhaps he was referring to a harmonic like my strongest 9th harmonic at 16.8MHz which does exist in the Grenade.

If this is important i do not know yet, but for now It's nice to know the grenade is generating HF over a broad spectrum.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #65 on: 2023-06-01, 14:52:21 »


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Itsu,

Have you tried this method of Sergey stalker.

https://youtu.be/ObQFTTJimuI

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #66 on: 2023-06-01, 15:36:31 »


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Itsu,

If you go to your sub-harmonic, maybe You're using divide by 50 or divide by 100.
If divide by 100 , then you will have 18.7 khz.  Choose range of 18---19khz with a square wave signal. As you sweep check where your 3rd harmonic is at maximum. It could be at sub-harmonic18.5khz or same 18.7khz

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-06-01, 14:48:44
Nick,

well you mentioned here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104865#msg104865 that: "Stalker mentions Grenade frequency of 15.6Mhz", so perhaps he was referring to a harmonic like my strongest 9th harmonic at 16.8MHz which does exist in the Grenade.

If this is important i do not know yet, but for now It's nice to know the grenade is generating HF over a broad spectrum.

Itsu

The issue is 15.6 MHz I still think is a typographical error or translation error. All manners of harmonics are there and you're not going to use them.

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Nick,

well you mentioned here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104865#msg104865 that: "Stalker mentions Grenade frequency of 15.6Mhz", so perhaps he was referring to a harmonic like my strongest 9th harmonic at 16.8MHz which does exist in the Grenade.

If this is important i do not know yet, but for now It's nice to know the grenade is generating HF over a broad spectrum.

Itsu

Hi Itsu,
Nice to see those figures, is it possible to do another scan in DUT mode?
Inclusive ground connected.
Just to see what changes.

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  As I had mentioned previously, my grenade's best output frequency is around 18.5KHz. That is with the complete system grounded,
Including the kacher circuit. That is the best running frequency for my 37.5m grenade, and 18.75m inductor. Tuning for best gain.
  I understand that more than a small deviation of 300KHz is enough for it not to sync. And mine does sync, but still needs something.
   
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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-06-01, 14:52:21
Itsu,

Have you tried this method of Sergey stalker.

https://youtu.be/ObQFTTJimuI

Maxolous

Max,

i think so, some years ago, i will see if Vasik had translated this video then.
Not sure now if he (Stalker) is tuning for peaks or dips in this video.


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If you go to your sub-harmonic, maybe You're using divide by 50 or divide by 100.
If divide by 100 , then you will have 18.7 khz.  Choose range of 18---19khz with a square wave signal. As you sweep check where your 3rd harmonic is at maximum. It could be at sub-harmonic18.5khz or same 18.7khz

Maxolous.


Max,

i will give it a try.

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Quote from: Apecore on 2023-06-01, 15:44:24
Hi Itsu,
Nice to see those figures, is it possible to do another scan in DUT mode?
Inclusive ground connected.
Just to see what changes.

Grt, Ape

Hi Ape,

not sure what you mean with "scan in DUT mode?"

But i understand you want me to look at those harmonics again, but now with a ground wire connected.

But remember that one side of the Grenade was already grounded by the Spectrum Analyzer so i don't think it will make any difference.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #72 on: 2023-06-01, 22:21:38 »
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Hi Ape,

not sure what you mean with "scan in DUT mode?"

But i understand you want me to look at those harmonics again, but now with a ground wire connected.

But remember that one side of the Grenade was already grounded by the Spectrum Analyzer so i don't think it will make any difference.

Itsu

I did understand you did a measurement in DUT... the grenade connected as it schould be?
I saw difference in grenade stand alone results and conected as built
        

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Hi Ape,

with DUT i mean "Device Under Test" in this case the Grenade.

Because in some publications they call the device / component being tested this way (DUT) like here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104868#msg104868.

Anyway, yes, there will be a difference in measurement results with the Grenade (DUT) as stand alone like i have now and when in the complete circuit.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #74 on: 2023-06-02, 12:02:48 »


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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-06-01, 15:36:31
Itsu,

If you go to your sub-harmonic, maybe You're using divide by 50 or divide by 100.
If divide by 100 , then you will have 18.7 khz.  Choose range of 18---19khz with a square wave signal. As you sweep check where your 3rd harmonic is at maximum. It could be at sub-harmonic18.5khz or same 18.7khz

Maxolous.

Itsu

My little correction here; "divide by 10 will be 187khz.

Maybe you will need to sweep between 180khz ---190khz , that's what I meant to say please.

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Max,

concerning your post #73 where you wrote:

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Itsu,

Have you tried this method of Sergey stalker.

https://youtu.be/ObQFTTJimuI

Maxolous


i have found out that i indeed tried that as can be seen here:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.msg90914#msg90914.
The attached PDF (pp.pdf) there from Vasik contains a short translation too, so i will revisit that part / pdf once again.

By the way that thread contains a wealth of information especially due to the (translation) work of Vasik041.


Concerning your above post about "divide by 10 will be 187khz", i tried that too using my SA and the earlier used measurement setup:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104955#msg104955.

At 187Khz square wave carrier frequency we see these harmonics:



So the carrier frequency of 187kHz shows as a low amplitude peak with increasing amplitudes (odd) harmonics peaking at the 9th harmonic at 1.693MHz, so the 10th (even) harmonic does not exist.

EDITED the 1.69MHZ peak to be the 9th harmonic, not the 11th.

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-06-02, 21:25:25
Max,

concerning your post #73 where you wrote:


i have found out that i indeed tried that as can be seen here:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.msg90914#msg90914.
The attached PDF (pp.pdf) there from Vasik contains a short translation too, so i will revisit that part / pdf once again.

By the way that thread contains a wealth of information especially due to the (translation) work of Vasik041.


Concerning your above post about "divide by 10 will be 187khz", i tried that too using my SA and the earlier used measurement setup:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104955#msg104955.

At 187Khz square wave carrier frequency we see these harmonics:



So the carrier frequency of 187kHz shows as a low amplitude peak with increasing amplitudes (odd) harmonics peaking at the 11th harmonic at 1.693MHz, so the 10th (even) harmonic does not exist.

Itsu

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #77 on: 2023-06-03, 11:58:16 »


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The 1.693 MHZ might be best for you

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The only way to find the Fr of these coils is like the attached, IMO.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #79 on: 2023-06-03, 19:28:10 »
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Itsu,

The 1.693 MHZ might be best for you

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Max,

well that depends, as i still think the 1/4 wave resonance of this coil is at 1.879MHz and the above harmonics only shows odd harmonics due to me using a symmetrical (50% duty cycle) waveform.

This changes if i reduce the duty cycle from 50% to 36% (something stalker promoted too by setting the push-pull duty cycle to 33% if i recall correctly).

Then still with my 187kHz carrier frequency, the SA shows both odd and even harmonics, including the 10th harmonics at 1.88MHz (had to reduce the max. frequency to 2.5MHz), see:




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The only way to find the Fr of these coils is like the attached, IMO.

Regards

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Mike,

if i do that, i get the following screenshot (i reduced the sweeping range to 10MHz (from your 50) as we primarily want to know this lower frequency range only):



So each horizontal division is 1MHz (starting from 1kHz) so we see a big resonance peak at 1.8MHz and going left a smaller peak around 600kHz so rather similar with what we have seen using the VNA and SA (1/4 Wave resonance at 1.879MHz)

Using a 10s sweep.

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Well that confirms the Fr. Does that coil normally have a ground running through the centre? If so then it will form a multi wave at that frequency, like a vibrator.

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no, the hot end is running through its center.

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no, the hot end is running through its center.

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Interesting, and it was like that when you did that sweep? That must be why it is what I call "fuzzy" pulses.

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Interesting, and it was like that when you did that sweep? That must be why it is what I call "fuzy" pulses.

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Yes, see this picture of my Grenade:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104788#msg104788

The thick left part is the hot end, and the both leads come out on the right side.

The "fuzzy" pulses i think are more due to the low amplitude (due to the 10Meg series resistor).

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May I ask : why so many coil layers ? Was it explained ?

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i don't know, it was like that from the beginning, some say to get a low inductance, some say to get multiple standing waves or resonance peaks, but its anyones guess i think.

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The "fuzzy" pulses i think are more due to the low amplitude (due to the 10Meg series resistor).

Itsu

Thanks, Itsu

I think it is multi-pulse.

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Yes, see this picture of my Grenade:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104788#msg104788

The thick left part is the hot end, and the both leads come out on the right side.

The "fuzzy" pulses i think are more due to the low amplitude (due to the 10Meg series resistor).

Itsu

Itsu,

Do you need a  10meg resistor to do that? A 20k ¼watt is good enough.

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The "fuzzy" pulses i think are more due to the low amplitude (due to the 10Meg series resistor).

Itsu

Thanks, Itsu

I think it is multi-pulse.

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Yes, see this picture of my Grenade:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104788#msg104788

The thick left part is the hot end, and the both leads come out on the right side.

The "fuzzy" pulses i think are more due to the low amplitude (due to the 10Meg series resistor).

Itsu

Itsu,

Do you need a  10meg resistor to do that? A 20k ¼watt is good enough.

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Same method for finding Tesla pry resonance.
But here you use a 6.8k ¼watt
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Itsu,

Do you need a  10meg resistor to do that? A 20k ¼watt is good enough.

Maxolous

Max,

well the 10Meg series resistor was what centraflow suggested in his post (see that diagram) here:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104985#msg104985

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Max,

well the 10Meg series resistor was what centraflow suggested in his post (see that diagram) here:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104985#msg104985

Itsu

Yes you need it to remove the square wave saturating the scope signal.

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So as a matter of interest what is it your expecting to see on your scope when no one appears to know what to expect to see
or Perhaps your in the know and can show your block diagram, or perhaps or are we wondering up another unknown 10 years
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Max,

i think so, some years ago, i will see if Vasik had translated this video then.
Not sure now if he (Stalker) is tuning for peaks or dips in this video.



Max,

i will give it a try.

Itsu

Itsu,

Why I sent you the video of the method used by Сергей сталкер is for you to know that it is the frequency at which the current is maximum you should be looking for. Did you notice that the grenade terminals were closed and having a current sensor through it.

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i tried that method (still working on it), and yes, i noticed the Grenade terminals are closed (shorted).

The transcription from Vasik (pp.pdf) mentions why Stalker does this as it says:

1. short coil and use current sensor (coil will be in ½ wave mode)

So Stalker says that by shorting the Grenade it will be forced into half wave resonance.

I tried that methode and used my current probe to look for current peaks within my Grenade.

The results were that i have a first small peak at 1.341MHz (range 1.191 - 1.631MHz) and a second bigger peak at 5.691MHz (range 5.521 - 5.791MHz).

It also showed the increasing current on the 1st peak when touching with my hand and a decreasing current in the 2nd peak when touching.

The next steps (9 and on) in the PP.pdf are not so obvious as the FFT (or SA) does not show clear peaks when using sub-harmonics in the 119 - 163kHz range, so i am looking into that now.


But my current peaks are nowhere near (or double) the quarter wave resonance peak (1.879MHz) i found earlier using several methodes.

I would expect the Grenade when in half wave resonance to show double the freqeuncy (so 3.758MHz) as when in quarter wave resonance (1.879MHz), but it does not.

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Max,

i tried that method (still working on it), and yes, i noticed the Grenade terminals are closed (shorted).

The transcription from Vasik (pp.pdf) mentions why Stalker does this as it says:

1. short coil and use current sensor (coil will be in ½ wave mode)

So Stalker says that by shorting the Grenade it will be forced into half wave resonance.

I tried that methode and used my current probe to look for current peaks within my Grenade.

The results were that i have a first small peak at 1.341MHz (range 1.191 - 1.631MHz) and a second bigger peak at 5.691MHz (range 5.521 - 5.791MHz).

Itsu

Hi Itsu,
What you do find is  3 x  1.86   and  2/3 x 1.86.
How can we explain that?

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What you do find is  3 x  1.86   and  2/3 x 1.86.
How can we explain that?

Grt,
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Hi Ape,

it looks that way yes, but if you look hard enough there will always be some relations to match the figures.

The 3x and 2/3 you mention are not making sense if what Stalker mentions (short the coil is forcing it into half-wave resonance) is right.

The picture below shows the voltage and current distribution of a quarter wave (B) and half-wave (C) on a coil, so this tells be that there should be a 1:2 relation of the resonance points.

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Max,

i tried that method (still working on it), and yes, i noticed the Grenade terminals are closed (shorted).

The transcription from Vasik (pp.pdf) mentions why Stalker does this as it says:

1. short coil and use current sensor (coil will be in ½ wave mode)

So Stalker says that by shorting the Grenade it will be forced into half wave resonance.

Itsu,

To be candid I just heard that Stalker said that by closing the terminals of grenade coil, it will be in ½wave mode .In your case your are looking for a frequency of res. Which doubles your previous resonance. I don't think that is possible.

Now looking at his, he only got 0.91MHZ. that I believe is a far cry from his ¼ wave res. howbeit ½wave res.

I think there are more to these.

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link=topic=4471.msg105028#msg105028 date=1686083060

I tried that methode and used my current probe to look for current peaks within my Grenade.

The results were that i have a first small peak at 1.341MHz (range 1.191 - 1.631MHz) and a second bigger peak at 5.691MHz (range 5.521 - 5.791MHz).

It also showed the increasing current on the 1st peak when touching with my hand and a decreasing current in the 2nd peak when touching.

That's correct if both responded in that manners when touched with your hand.

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-06-06, 21:24:20

The next steps (9 and on) in the PP.pdf are not so obvious as the FFT (or SA) does not show clear peaks when using sub-harmonics in the 119 - 163kHz range, so i am looking into that now.

IMHO, why not use wound current sensor as in video.

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-06-06, 21:24:20


But my current peaks are nowhere near (or double) the quarter wave resonance peak (1.879MHz) i found earlier using several methodes.

I would expect the Grenade when in half wave resonance to show double the freqeuncy (so 3.758MHz) as when in quarter wave resonance (1.879MHz), but it does not.

Itsu

Even his could not get to ¼wave res. Talk less of ½wave res.

Since 5.691MHZ is your peak of 3rd res. I think you get a diy current sensor  and sweep b/w your 119KHZ and 163KHZ while doing that, you might hit. Frequency where 5.6MHZ is outstanding amongst others.


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   Are you using some kind of ground line connected to the grenade, or not. If so, how long and what type.
  Perhaps the grenade does not respond the same as a regular wound coil.
  Remember that Stalker built up 25 different grenades, not just one. To get one that worked...  If true.
  Can you place a link to the video where Stalker is showing similar tests as you are doing, please.

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Nick,

in my post #83 i pointed out where you can find that link (plus transcription) to the video from Stalker which i am following now.
In the pp.pdf there is the link to the same video Max also pointed to.

So open that pp.pdf and follow it.


No, i do not use any ground wire attached to my Grenade at my present measurements, nor does Stalker.

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Itsu,

To be candid I just heard that Stalker said that by closing the terminals of grenade coil, it will be in ½wave mode .In your case your are looking for a frequency of res. Which doubles your previous resonance. I don't think that is possible.

Now looking at his, he only got 0.91MHZ. that I believe is a far cry from his ¼ wave res. howbeit ½wave res.

I think there are more to these.

So what do you think his ¼ wave res. or ½wave res. is?

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IMHO, why not use wound current sensor as in video.

I can do that, but my current probe does the same thing at more accurate levels, but i will retest using such a current transformer.

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Since 5.691MHZ is your peak of 3rd res. I think you get a diy current sensor  and sweep b/w your 119KHZ and 163KHZ while doing that, you might hit. Frequency where 5.6MHZ is outstanding amongst others.

If  5.691MHZ is my peak of 3rd res., why does the base peak (1.879MHz) does not show up in the current sweep?


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So what do you think his ¼ wave res. or ½wave res. is?

Itsu,

From my assessment, the shortest length of wire that we use is 37.5 mtrs . This naturally res at 2.0MHZ. I want to believe he used the length above. If he his getting .91MHZ @ ½wave res. the wire must have been too long which is not possible.


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I can do that, but my current probe does the same thing at more accurate levels, but i will retest using such a current transformer.

Okay, I rely on CT anyhow.

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If  5.691MHZ is my peak of 3rd res., why does the base peak (1.879MHz) does not show up in the current sweep?
Itsu

It's there, maybe not toopronounced. Sweep slowly  by  adjusting your SG digit to tenths. As you slowly sweep, it will sprout may not too much.

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  Perhaps the grenade does not respond the same as a regular wound coil.
  Remember that Stalker built up 25 different grenades, not just one. To get one that worked...  If true.
  Can you place a link to the video where Stalker is showing similar tests as you are doing, please.

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  Ok thanks, no earth ground...
   Seams like what Stalkers says about 1/2 wave while shorting the grenade output is not what he is showing. Nor do any of the frequencies make much sense to me. Brings more questions, than answers.
   T-1000 sent me an email mentioning the use of the CT to test for the best interaction  between the kacher and grenade circuit.
Seams that Ruslan also mentiones the use of the CT, as well. But, I have not used it for tuning the induction circuits to highest current output, as well.  Should work for that, also, though.
  My question: what are the actual inductor, grenade, and Kacher frequencies supposed to be, while self running? Never shown...

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It also showed the increasing current on the 1st peak when touching with my hand and a decreasing current in the 2nd peak when touching.


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Still considering the above concern, I don't think it's critical whether the inductor gives the increase or the grenade side. I realized it's a function of how you put your current probe or CT. Simply put, if you reversed your scope probe at the terminals of CT, you would get increase the other way round

I just want to  point that out quickly.

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I redid my tests (PP.PDF) using a current transformer (CT) but the results are similar as with my current probe although i now have more signal (30 turns on the CT (black ferrite core)) to work with.

There is now another peak close before the first i had at 1.1MHz, but still the biggest peak is at 1.334MHz, followed by a lesser peak at 5.560MHz.

The 1.334MHz peak (biggest) shows an INCREASE in current amplitude when touching the Grenade hot end and the lesser 5.560Mhz peak shows a DECREASE in current amplitude when touching the Grenade hot end, just like Stalker showed (thus WITHOUT changing the CT probe leads).


With the increased signal from the CT i can now make out more signals on the FFT so i would be able to continue from step 9.

Concerning Nick his question: i don't know and i wonder if there is one good answer.

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Let nobody be distracted or held back by my focus on the Grenade.

Nick has opened this thread for everyone working on these Akula, Ruslan and Stalker devices as the title of this thread mentions.

Please post your progress or problems you have encountered on these devices so we as a group can discuss them and find solutions.

So Geofusion, Apecore, Maxolous, Justawatt, Jeg, Vasik41, L0stf0x to name a few and all others interested in these devices, feel free to join and contribute.

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As i mentioned in my for-last post, with the CT i now can get some good signals using the FFT function on the scope, so i could continue from step 9 in the PP.pdf.

I found my peaks (in the 125 to 147kHz range) to be interesting be 142.57kHz, 135.62kHz and 129.3kHz (steps 10 to 16).

The 142.62kHz also gives a peak on 1MHz (step 19), so choosing that one.

With this frequency (142.62kHz), i see some fish like signals on 133.334kHz, 1.34Mhz and 5.562.5Mhz, and this last one also when in sine wave (steps 21 / 22), see screenshot:



The modulation frequency of this fish like signal seems to be 4.472Hz (so much lower than Stalker his 32.47Hz), step 24.

So here i stopped so i did not test to see if with 4.4Hz on the push-pull my Grenade gets hot like mentioned in step 24.

Also i still have my doubts if these fish like modulated signals i see are no artifacts created by the scope at these ultra slow time base settings


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Hi Itsu,

I think contributing together would make sense only when we do an overal review in where we stand with this setup.
Neither Ruslan, Stalker, Dally or some other the setups have lots in common. So a review can be done regarding the overall mode of operation.... ( this Mode of Operation schould be defined first, even when its not clear we must set a idea and unless proven wrong we got to hold to it)
When we all agree on how we think this setup operates we have to define the conditions.
These conditions need to be challenged in a sort of testplan.

Executing this in a controlled matter and adjusting based on test results will not only lead us to our goal but also prevent us from doing the same ineffective steps over again.

Personally looking back I did a replication of the Ruslan setup, as a lot of us I didn't came further glowing a vew bulbs like a buck booster setup. Something is missing.

My take on how this setup as it is presented to us on youtube operates is;
We create a LF signal in the grenade and by injecting a HF signal the mixer (grenade) it gets mixed and feeds the load.

We can discuss a lot about what is seen on schematics and is it really as build as shown on youtube?
I doubt it... but this discussion is another one but unfortunately needs to be challenged also going forward.
For who is interested in my view as I have several red flags in Ruslans YT presentation as what is not consistent.

So whats missing or in other words which step inside the system is not working properly?

To start with a topic...
As I understand the charging effect of the grenade by the kacher isn't succesfull, we only see a induction result when kacher and grenade have same resonance frequency.
So can we charge the grenade with AC from a regular tesla coil setup? Or do we need unipolair pulses... which is often stated by Ruslan.
But how does he manage to produce unipolair pulses with a TC?

This part of the process is in my opinion not enough highligthed and would in my opinion be the first step to accomplish.

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Good to see you opening up a bit. You asked, " What is missing.???  Good question.  Let's see ...
  As I had mentioned, the Kachers job is not to "charge",  but to interrupt the magnetic field, at just the right frequency. That's how I see it, so far. And is what I am looking for in these replication efforts. Not to just to add or "charge" up, vibrate electrons loose, nor any of that, but to interrupt the magnetic flow instead. But, we may not agree on any of this, since no one has shown anything that actually works, up to now. However, the above comment is how I see, and understand that it deals with BEMF to excite the surrounding ambient, and thus extract or harvest any usefully extra energy therefrom. Of course, I did not just make this all up, but, its logic is based on Tesla's Ideas, on the interuptor circuits, well as others. These are the big differences that need to be tested, and confirmed. About what is missing. So first trying to understand and verify these theories, and understand it's workings. Which are Not just working, by normal "induction",  as we know it.
   
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Hi Nick,

I think your explanation is a good start in approaching it.... giving it a name,..

Is " charging by interrupting magnetic field"  were we come together?
At the end we both want the same..... current trough load.

But lets hold this one and let the others say something too.... at the end we agree on the first definition.
Next step how to qualify in order to test and  to validate.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #111 on: 2023-06-09, 20:23:20 »


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I doubt that we can interupt a magnetic field.

Magnetic fields are able to penetrate anything, and it is not possible to shield off a magnetic field, it only can be guided away through (mu)metal etc. or like in transformers and toroids.
Also the field (shape / direction) can be manipulated like through using another (opposing) magnetic field see picture below.

What can be interrupted is the current that creates this magnetic field, so perhaps we need to concentrate on doing that.

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I think you are right about the nature of magnetic field. Am I correct by saying magnetic fields can guide the electrons?
If so this makes it even more complexer.

Its for me still unclear what the purpose is of interrupting the kacher signal.
Let me add some suggestions to make it more specific

1-Disrupting current in the inductor loop, to guide a current from a to b?

2-Or disrupting as it are  impulses with high dV/dt create a electrostatic disruption, which also can contribute to a higher magnetic field if I'm correct.

3- Are there other options left?

        

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What can be interrupted is the current that creates this magnetic field, so perhaps we need to concentrate on doing that.

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Yes, I think we need to examine what this does or is it at least to see what effects it creates.
First thing what comes to my mind is that ... which current?
Inductorloop or grenade?

I guess we start with inductorloop due to the fact it sits between kacher signal and grenade.
Current in inductorloop is relatively high, so what is the impact done by the kacher signap.
And if doing a test what do we expect to see?

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Concerning the fish like signal Stalker showed in his pp.pdf video and which i was able to replicate (see few posts above), i was wondering if this is not some kind of artifact created by the scope due to the ultra low time base setting used.

It turns out it is as i just found out.

I omitted the Grenade and CT used and hooked the FG (5.562.5Mhz sine wave 10Vpp) directly to the scope probe, and with the same low time base setting (40ms/div.) i had no problem to get the same fish like (100% modulated AM) signal at the same 4.4Hz repetition frequency (with higher amplitude).

So to me this means that this fish like signal is NOT something we should be looking for when looking for something special as it is not.

This also makes me wonder why someone like Stalker is pointing out this in some of his video's and if he is aware that this is some artifact created by his scope.

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   Great deductions. So to assume that interrupting the current in the magnetic field is therefore causing the mentioned effect of interrupting the magnetic field, boils down to the same BEMF effect. Which needs to be harvested from.
So, to test this idea what needs to be done?
I remember Ruslan saying something about the,  "fish forms" you don't need them. Use the scope the see the frequency", etc, forget the fish.

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Am I correct by saying magnetic fields can guide the electrons?


Both an electric and magnetic field can deflect (guide) electrons as been done in a CRT, see this wiki:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode-ray_tube
I am not sure if this is happening inside the Grenade / Inductor / Antenna.


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Its for me still unclear what the purpose is of interrupting the kacher signal.

I think interrupting the Kacher is causing a lower average input into the Kacher and focussing the Kacher signal into a burst like signal as that seems all what is needed.


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1-Disrupting current in the inductor loop, to guide a current from a to b?

2-Or disrupting as it are  impulses with high dV/dt create a electrostatic disruption, which also can contribute to a higher magnetic field if I'm correct.

3- Are there other options left?

Why we need a burst like Kacher signal or, as also has been showed, a nanopulse signal is still open for debate i think.
My understanding initially was that it might force the highly reactive current inside the Inductor (see it as a Primary for the Grenade) somehow to become real current, w.o.w, in phase with the Inductor voltage.


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First thing what comes to my mind is that ... which current?
Inductorloop or grenade?

I guess we start with inductorloop due to the fact it sits between kacher signal and grenade.
Current in inductorloop is relatively high, so what is the impact done by the kacher signap.
And if doing a test what do we expect to see?

My guess is also the Inductor current as the Antenna has the most influence on it.

How to test this is another matter.

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   Itsu:
   Great deductions. So to assume that interrupting the current in the magnetic field is therefore causing the mentioned effect of interrupting the magnetic field, boils down to the same BEMF effect. Which needs to be harvested from.
So, to test this idea what needs to be done?
I remember Ruslan saying something about the,  "fish forms" you don't need them. Use the scope the see the frequency", etc, forget the fish.

   NickZ


Nick,

up till now i have not seen that the BEMF (created by a collapsing magnetic field) can have more energy in it than what was initially needed to create that magnetic field.
So there is nothing to "harvest" IMO.

I have done some tests with that (Melnichenco thread here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4312.0 ), which showed that COP stayed below 1, but who knows as Melnichenco's setup is different.


Good to know that Ruslan has said this about the "fish forms":   you don't need them. Use the scope the see the frequency", etc, forget the fish.


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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #118 on: 2023-06-10, 11:13:28 »
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I think interrupting the Kacher is causing a lower average input into the Kacher and focussing the Kacher signal into a burst like signal as that seems all what is needed.

Why we need a burst like Kacher signal or, as also has been showed, a nanopulse signal is still open for debate i think.
My understanding initially was that it might force the highly reactive current inside the Inductor (see it as a Primary for the Grenade) somehow to become real current, w.o.w, in phase with the Inductor voltage.

I agree, the input of the kacher to grenade is much less when kacher is interupted.
Also I think nano pulsing is a good  option as it easier to adjust.

Lets not forget, Ruslan showed a nice kacher setup but never showed ( in my opinion) a video where the signal is showed on a working device.
I also suspect that things are different connected as assumed.

I am saying this because we need to basically follow the fundamentals which bring us succes and not the visuals which are presented on YT.

I think Itsu you made a good proposition in stating to change the reactive current by interrupting/ impulsing, here in the inductorloop we have hidden kWatts.
I' d like to propose with this subject first.
If you all agree I'd like to mention first what different methods we have to use.

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Ps, AG,.. I saw your posting but its hard to understand what you have done and with what. Could you explain again by pointing out what setup and what test is done🤔





        

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In my opinion we gave the following options to disrupt the reactive current in the inductor:

1- impulsing with nano pulser
2- disrupting by kacher
3- impulsing with emf from external coil
4-??

So what are the parameters to be adjustable?

1- voltage impuls/ interupt
2- duration impuls/ interupt
3- interval impuls/ interupt
4- amount of impulses/ interupts in one cycle

Its reasonable to assume that item 3 is directly corrolated to the inductorloop frequency.
So we need synchronisation and a way to delay the impuls in the inductor wave cycle.

Personally I have a CT in the inductorloop connected to a comperator which results in a square wave equal to the inductor frequency
Within this squarewave I can delay the impuls.
I have a impuls circuit which I believe is designed by Nelsonrocha and shown on youtube by Master ivo.
It has the abillity to generate half wave bemf pulses from a coil, by adjusting the number of windings you can alter the puls duration. Using positive or negative voltage the impuls is either negative or positive.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #120 on: 2023-06-10, 14:18:02 »


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In my opinion we gave the following options to disrupt the reactive current in the inductor:

1- impulsing with nano pulser
2- disrupting by kacher
3- impulsing with emf from external coil
4-??

No.4 should be Amplification brought about by resonance to create  overunity.
Quote from: Apecore on 2023-06-10, 12:26:38

So what are the parameters to be adjustable?

1- voltage impuls/ interupt
2- duration impuls/ interupt
3- interval impuls/ interupt
4- amount of impulses/ interupts in one cycle

Its reasonable to assume that item 3 is directly corrolated to the inductorloop frequency.
So we need synchronisation and a way to delay the impuls in the inductor wave cycle.

Personally I have a CT in the inductorloop connected to a comperator which results in a square wave equal to the inductor frequency
Within this squarewave I can delay the impuls.
I have a impuls circuit which I believe is designed by Nelsonrocha and shown on youtube by Master ivo.
It has the abillity to generate half wave bemf pulses from a coil, by adjusting the number of windings you can alter the puls duration. Using positive or negative voltage the impuls is either negative or positive.

Ape

Stalker showed how Push-pull signal can be accurately delayed by  putting a NAND gate cct b/w TL494 and your MOSFET driver.

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Hi Max,

why do you think that "Amplification" and "Resonance" are linked together?

When you look at this wiki:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance about resonance there you will not find any reference to amplification.

In the "Overview" part it nicely mentions that there are "some losses from cycle to cycle, called damping", so instead of amplification, there is always some dampening.

In the "Q factor" part it also mentions that:  "A high value for Q indicates a lower rate of energy loss relative to the stored energy, i.e., the system is lightly damped".

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   Your last comment makes little sense to me .
As the point of obtaining resonance is to improve the output, and override or minimise the dampening loses. Or else why would resonance frequency match be used if it has no affect on the output. Also, they are talking about normal closed circuit operations. Not open circuit devices. Such as the self runners, that we are interested in reproducing.

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Do you mean standingwave resonance and have the grenade on one side open?

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Hi Max,

why do you think that "Amplification" and "Resonance" are linked together?

When you look at this wiki:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance about resonance there you will not find any reference to amplification.

In the "Overview" part it nicely mentions that there are "some losses from cycle to cycle, called damping", so instead of amplification, there is always some dampening.

In the "Q factor" part it also mentions that:  "A high value for Q indicates a lower rate of energy loss relative to the stored energy, i.e., the system is lightly damped".

Itsu

Excellent post, Itsu.

Resonance directly will never produce OU, but you can use LCR circuits to produce effects that can AID in possible OU.

If you have a simple boost circuit of a charge choke, mosfet, diode, and capacitor, as long as you have a constant DC input you will have a constant DC output. Now where does resonance come into this?

If you remove the diode and replace it with a coil you will have a resonant circuit, the output will be a sine wave at the LC resonance. But there is still no OU!!

So we make the resonant circuit into a resonating vibrator (loads and loads of delays). So we now have loads and loads of sine waves. But there still is no OU.

All these waves have a high amplitude, they are all resonant, and because the mosfet switch is driven by a square wave, the LC frequency of the waves will be increased by the multiplication of the drive frequency of the mosfet. But still no OU.

Now all these waves are sine waves, so we can place a diode on the output and collect the pulses in a capacitor. But this is still not OU.

The voltage you have collected in the capacitor is HV, and if you could discharge it rapidly you would have a high current. But still not OU.

I'm sure you are getting the idea.

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   Itsu:
   Your last comment makes little sense to me .
As the point of obtaining resonance is to improve the output, and override or minimise the dampening loses. Or else why would resonance frequency match be used if it has no affect on the output. Also, they are talking about normal closed circuit operations. Not open circuit devices. Such as the self runners, that we are interested in reproducing.

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Nick,

Max said:   No.4 should be Amplification brought about by resonance to create  overunity.

He, by that statement, suggest IMO that you can create over unity by the amplification that resonance brings with it.

But as i tried to explain that in resonance there is no amplification happening, there is a peak in amplitude due to minimizing impedance (meaning minimizing (not override) losses).
Amplification IMO means increase in energy in a signal by adding extra energy which is not the case with resonance.

We need some things to be in resonance IMO to already get close to COP=1, and then add that extra thingy (whatever it is) to create over unity.


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Excellent post, Itsu.

Resonance directly will never produce OU, but you can use LCR circuits to produce effects that can AID in possible OU.

If you have a simple boost circuit of a charge choke, mosfet, diode, and capacitor, as long as you have a constant DC input you will have a constant DC output. Now where does resonance come into this?

If you remove the diode and replace it with a coil you will have a resonant circuit, the output will be a sine wave at the LC resonance. But there is still no OU!!

So we make the resonant circuit into a resonating vibrator (loads and loads of delays). So we now have loads and loads of sine waves. But there still is no OU.

All these waves have a high amplitude, they are all resonant, and because the mosfet switch is driven by a square wave, the LC frequency of the waves will be increased by the multiplication of the drive frequency of the mosfet. But still no OU.

Now all these waves are sine waves, so we can place a diode on the output and collect the pulses in a capacitor. But this is still not OU.

The voltage you have collected in the capacitor is HV, and if you could discharge it rapidly you would have a high current. But still not OU.

I'm sure you are getting the idea.

Regards

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Hi Mike,

thanks,

you describe the many ways one can manipulate voltage and current by getting it into resonance, changing it from AC to DC, transform it into HV and increase the current by shortening the discharge time, etc. but all these manipulations do not create over unity, i get the idea  O0

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  Yes, thanks Itsu.
  But we are looking for the anomoly not conventional  electronics understanding dealing with closed circuits and underunity.

   I also don't understand the logic in interrupting the kacher to cause an effect. The kacher signal is not being "interrupted". It's the magnetic circuits current pulse,  that are being affected, not the kacher pulse.

   I think that we already know what we have not seen, such as over unity nor self running, yet that is what we are after.
The fact that we have not seen something, is not conclusive. As I am interested in what is behind self running, not just BEMF harvesting, for greater efficiency. But, for the cause of more out than in, in any device. And there has to be such a cause, for the shown effects.

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Nick,

what i am trying to do is to eliminate some concepts floating around which could block someone's mind like that a "fish like" signal in the Grenade is needed, or that resonance is some form of amplification leading to over unity.

If we agree on these things we can then focus on what is left over.

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   Of course, I agree with those points.
Just trying to state that we are looking for the anomoly, as current electronics understanding will not provide the answer.
  And that we all have been trying to ADD the HV to the induction circuits, to obtain a gain. And we already know and have seen that that approach has not worked. And so, I'm looking for the reason that we have all failed at this.

  As there is much talk lately on the internet concerning BEMF, I felt that it's affects may be some of the things that can be the cause of OU. Along with it's dangerously high peaks, which are normally not used, and are therefore wasted, instead. As it's also a whole different way of seeing all this. Between the actual effects of the kacher circuit, and it's actual purpose between it and the magnetic induction circuits. Any ways, that's how I see things, so far.

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Roger that Nick,

it could be the mix of all these ordinary electronic concepts (BEMF, Resonance, HV pulsing, grounding, etc.) that creates something extraordinary.

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I measured the following inductances and capacitances of the 3 components like this:

Inductances (@ 10kHz):
Grenade  150uH
Inductor   65uH
Antenna    3.3uH

Capacitances:
Grenade -  inductor  54pF
Grenade -  Antenna  21pF
Inductor - Antenna  25pF

Often is mentioned that the Grenade and Inductor form the plates of a capacitor and that there is a build up of charge between them, but looking at these capacitances, the charge won't be very much.
According to this calculator https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/capacitor-energy we are talking (with 500V differences on the plates) of 27 nC (0.0000000000075 Ah) and a stored energy 0f 6.75uJ (0.000000001875 Wh)

So is this another fable we can put to rest?


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Do you mean standingwave resonance and have the grenade on one side open?

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Apecore,

In order to understand this phenomenal, " Tesla Technology" we must leave the realm of mainstream science.

Nature stored up in the universe infinite amount of Energy. The transmitter of this energy is Aether this you all know. It is now our job to find out how to appropriate the principles of harvesting this energy.  I was very excited when I read again in PP.PDF that  a closed grenade coil is in ½wavelength mode.

It might interest you to know that Aether is a ½wavelength standing wave or stationary wave. We all know by now that a standing wave is made up of two transverse waves travelling in opposite directions, they have magnetic field ,this description give them the property of a perfect carrier. Your Tesla coil always have a standing wave. Find out if you haven't already. When in imping on your grenade, it pulls it to a stand.

Think along this

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   It does interest me to know:
   Who has determined that the unseen and un mesureable Aether, is a "1/2 wavelength standing wave"?
That does not mean that the Aether does not exist.
  Maybe standing waves are as illusive and needed, as fish waves. Nor have I ever seen these standing waves on my scope coming from my device, nor from the kacher or Tesla coils. Have you? If so, perhaps you can show us these standing waves working on your device, as well as what they can actually do, as perfect carrier waves impinging on Your Grenade. And if not, don't worry about it, I've
seen Stalkers videos on it, but no actual proof, as yet.

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So is this another fable we can put to rest?

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Yes, in my opinion altough I understand taking frequency into the equasion it wil be more but not significant.

So stil standing is the idea of changing the current phase in the inductorloop.
In this configuration, only can be done by the signal from the antenna.

What my attention got is your relative high grenade inductance as it has approxemately same resonance frequency as mine. 33uH
Probably it is your wire insulation what gives a lower capacitance.



        

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   Max:
   It does interest me to know:
   Who has determined that the unseen and un mesureable Aether, is a "1/2 wavelength standing wave"?
That does not mean that the Aether does not exist.
  Maybe standing waves are as illusive and needed, as fish waves. Nor have I ever seen these standing waves on my scope coming from my device, nor from the kacher or Tesla coils. Have you? If so, perhaps you can show us these standing waves working on your device, as well as what they can actually do, as perfect carrier waves impinging on Your Grenade. And if not, don't worry about it, I've
seen Stalkers videos on it, but no actual proof, as yet.

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NickZ

This might give you an insight.

https://youtu.be/DovunOxlY1k

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Yes, in my opinion altough I understand taking frequency into the equasion it wil be more but not significant.

So stil standing is the idea of changing the current phase in the inductorloop.
In this configuration, only can be done by the signal from the antenna.

What my attention got is your relative high grenade inductance as it has approxemately same resonance frequency as mine. 33uH
Probably it is your wire insulation what gives a lower capacitance.

Ape,


yes, it could be the capacitance between the used wire is different, but as mentioned here:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.msg91333#msg91333 i use the "version 2" of the Grenade wiring scheme.

This means that the layers are not forth and back, but in one direction only although some CW, some CCW.

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yes, it could be the capacitance between the used wire is different, but as mentioned here:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.msg91333#msg91333 i use the "version 2" of the Grenade wiring scheme.

This means that the layers are not forth and back, but in one direction only although some CW, some CCW.

Itsu

Itsu,

Well it seems to be impossible to replicate an exact grenade as defined by Ruslan, Stalker etc.
As there are to many parameters involved.

Attached my grenade winding order, as I mentioned quit different configured but almost same end result


What definitely can be the same is the direction of each layer related magnetic field.
This is also something to look into, using the right-hand rule  I have a situation that all layer related fields are equal in direction.
Question is, is this important considering the direction of the inductor magnetic field?
Does it contribute to a eventually absorbing of the electrostatic field from the antenna?
In my opinion we are able to do different directions for inductor in case we want a uniform in one direction or create some bloch wall areas.

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Apecore,

In order to understand this phenomenal, " Tesla Technology" we must leave the realm of mainstream science.

Nature stored up in the universe infinite amount of Energy. The transmitter of this energy is Aether this you all know. It is now our job to find out how to appropriate the principles of harvesting this energy.  I was very excited when I read again in PP.PDF that  a closed grenade coil is in ½wavelength mode.

It might interest you to know that Aether is a ½wavelength standing wave or stationary wave. We all know by now that a standing wave is made up of two transverse waves travelling in opposite directions, they have magnetic field ,this description give them the property of a perfect carrier. Your Tesla coil always have a standing wave. Find out if you haven't already. When in imping on your grenade, it pulls it to a stand.

Think along this

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Max,
I really do apriciate all the educative stories really I do. But I'm not a high school guy.😁

But never the less it  would be nice te also end with a conclusion regarding the asked question, or in fact at least a statement before you send it.
I'm not going to dig into al that.... I' m hands-on and probably other people like to do more research.


I hope you understand what I mean.
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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-06-11, 07:21:37
NickZ

This might give you an insight.

https://youtu.be/DovunOxlY1k

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    I am not saying that there is no such thing as standing waves, etc.  I'm saying that I have never seen them as being something needed, for these types of devices. Therefore I asked you to confirm that,  by showing how well  they work on your device. Not on some old conventional video, that has no relation to free energy. I am trying to avoid guessing about this. Just like with fish waves, being what is needed.

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  Please show just how or what we are "ignoring" and doing wrong. But, I will not go off on one of your tangents, again.
  Guessing is for the birds... So, please stay with the topic at hand, or use your own thread for any unrelated rants
  We are trying to figure out what is wrong, without further distraction.

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   How do you think that we should analyze the idea of BEMF, and it's relation to OU? Any ideas?
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  BEMF is much stronger than just a small percentage of the input provided. That's why things blow...
  As current lags behind voltage, this is why a longer lag time may provide for a higher output. Yes? No?
   But, the idea is NOT to harvest this BEMF, but to use it to vibrate the surrounding ambient Aether, instead.
It is that additional surrounding Aether energy source,  that is to be harvested from, instead. As I understand it.

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   How do you think that we should analyze the idea of BEMF, and it's relation to OU? Any ideas?
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Nick,
As we stated if we can transform a portion of the inductorloop current into real grenade power we dont have to do a lot.

This is what the kacher should deliver.
        

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Quote from: Apecore on 2023-06-11, 13:08:38
Itsu,

Well it seems to be impossible to replicate an exact grenade as defined by Ruslan, Stalker etc.
As there are to many parameters involved.

Attached my grenade winding order, as I mentioned quit different configured but almost same end result


What definitely can be the same is the direction of each layer related magnetic field.
This is also something to look into, using the right-hand rule  I have a situation that all layer related fields are equal in direction.
Question is, is this important considering the direction of the inductor magnetic field?
Does it contribute to a eventually absorbing of the electrostatic field from the antenna?
In my opinion we are able to do different directions for inductor in case we want a uniform in one direction or create some bloch wall areas.

Btw, there is a typo in the attached picture... not 40meter but 37.5


Ape,

yes, i have seen so many different Grenade layouts by now that it almost looks like a deliberate smokescreen being laid out.
Nobody now knows what the "real one" looks like IF there is such a "real one".


Interesting Grenade layout you have, i did not see that one before, so you have all layers the same way (CW) except for a part of the last outer layer which is CCW.
I am amazed that you only measure 32uH as there is only a very small part that opposes the rest.
At what frequency was that inductance measured?

Interesting questions you ask, but i am afraid i won't be able to answer those.
My understanding was to have a very low inductance due to the windings partially (50:50) oppose each other, ideally having a coil with no inductance.
Your Grenade is very close to that, but not due to opposing windings.

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-06-11, 16:22:44
  BEMF is much stronger than just a small percentage of the input provided. That's why things blow...
  As current lags behind voltage, this is why a longer lag time may provide for a higher output. Yes? No?
   But, the idea is NOT to harvest this BEMF, but to use it to vibrate the surrounding ambient Aether, instead.
It is that additional surrounding Aether energy source,  that is to be harvested from, instead. As I understand it.

  NickZ


Nick,

things blow because the collapsing magnetic field from a coil which was "slowly" build up by say 50V @ 1A over 1 second is suddenly released in a very short (micro seconds) time after the voltage was switched off and with nowhere to go and thus can reach Kilo Volts.

It's like a balloon, you silently and slowly blow it up until it suddenly pops with a bang.


Current lags voltage in an inductive environment (look up "ELI the ICE man") and the other way around in a capacitive environment.
So not sure why you would say: "this is why a longer lag time may provide for a higher output" i do not see the relation with BEMF here.


Ok about using the BEMF pulse (KV) to "vibrate the surrounding ambient Aether" if something as the Aether really exists.
It's like a nanopulse also being used by Ruslan in one of his devices, so instead of using a nanopulse, use a BEMF pulse  O0

Problem is that we need some serious HV switcher (MOSFET?) to withstand this KV pulse, but there are such 1.7KV / 4KV MOSFETs nowadays.
Not sure how to embed this into a Ruslan type of device.

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Quote from: Apecore on 2023-06-11, 19:54:42
Nick,
As we stated if we can transform a portion of the inductorloop current into real grenade power we dont have to do a lot.

This is what the kacher should deliver.

Ape, unfortunately, present science says it is not possible to directly transform reactive power into real power.

Asking ChatGPT confirms that:


Can reactive power be converted into active power? How?


Reactive power and active power are two components of electrical power that have different characteristics.
Reactive power represents the power consumed or generated by reactive elements in an electrical system, such as inductors and capacitors.
It does not perform any useful work but is necessary for the functioning of certain electrical devices.

On the other hand, active power represents the actual power that is consumed or generated by devices and performs useful work, such as producing mechanical energy or lighting.

In a purely theoretical sense, it is not possible to directly convert reactive power into active power because they serve different purposes in an electrical system.
However, it is possible to manage and optimize the power factor of a system to reduce the amount of reactive power and maximize the utilization of active power.

One common method to improve the power factor is by using power factor correction devices, such as capacitors.
These devices introduce reactive power of opposite sign to the system, compensating for the reactive power generated by inductive loads.
By reducing the reactive power in the system, the power factor is improved, and more active power can be utilized.

By improving the power factor, the overall efficiency of the system can be enhanced, reducing losses and optimizing the use of available active power.
This indirectly increases the effective utilization of active power while minimizing the amount of reactive power in the system.

So while reactive power cannot be directly converted into active power, managing and optimizing the power factor can help maximize the utilization of active power in an electrical system.


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Ape,

yes, i have seen so many different Grenade layouts by now that it almost looks like a deliberate smokescreen being laid out.
Nobody now knows what the "real one" looks like IF there is such a "real one".


Interesting Grenade layout you have, i did not see that one before, so you have all layers the same way (CW) except for a part of the last outer layer which is CCW.
I am amazed that you only measure 32uH as there is only a very small part that opposes the rest.
At what frequency was that inductance measured?

Interesting questions you ask, but i am afraid i won't be able to answer those.
My understanding was to have a very low inductance due to the windings partially (50:50) oppose each other, ideally having a coil with no inductance.
Your Grenade is very close to that, but not due to opposing windings.

Itsu

Hi Itsu,
I' m not aware in how doing a inductance measurement at 10khz.
I'm using a Chinees board to plug in a coil or cap and it delivers a value.
Let me know how the 10khz method works.

My interpretation about the grenade config is that it has to absorb electrostatic energy from the antenna.
We need a field in the grenade to interact with antenna..... how this is being done we need to find out.
Inductor playes a part in this.I guess. How? We have to find out.

But in my opinion we need some excitement of standing wave  in the grenade together with inductor field coöperation.
So thats why my journey starts with the magnetic field interpretation at 2Mhz
Men could argue that tbe 28turn coil could disrupt also something inside the grenade with its squarewave's.

But enough speculating..., hands-on.... we need a sort of test/ discovery plan.

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Ape, unfortunately, present science says it is not possible to directly transform reactive power into real power.

Asking ChatGPT confirms that:


Can reactive power be converted into active power? How?


Reactive power and active power are two components of electrical power that have different characteristics.
Reactive power represents the power consumed or generated by reactive elements in an electrical system, such as inductors and capacitors.
It does not perform any useful work but is necessary for the functioning of certain electrical devices.

On the other hand, active power represents the actual power that is consumed or generated by devices and performs useful work, such as producing mechanical energy or lighting.

In a purely theoretical sense, it is not possible to directly convert reactive power into active power because they serve different purposes in an electrical system.
However, it is possible to manage and optimize the power factor of a system to reduce the amount of reactive power and maximize the utilization of active power.

One common method to improve the power factor is by using power factor correction devices, such as capacitors.
These devices introduce reactive power of opposite sign to the system, compensating for the reactive power generated by inductive loads.
By reducing the reactive power in the system, the power factor is improved, and more active power can be utilized.

By improving the power factor, the overall efficiency of the system can be enhanced, reducing losses and optimizing the use of available active power.
This indirectly increases the effective utilization of active power while minimizing the amount of reactive power in the system.

So while reactive power cannot be directly converted into active power, managing and optimizing the power factor can help maximize the utilization of active power in an electrical system.


Itsu

Yes, thats AI
It repeats whats is reckonised as knowledge on the internet.

Lets take a transmissionline... f.i. 37.5m grenade.
We inject a 2Mhz signal
We leave the hot end open.
The 1/4 wave will perfectly bounce back.
Current wave lags 90°.
Imagine injecting a 2nd wave which will be in phase with the  1st current wave cycle?
What we get?

Of coarse if grenade is a transmissionline with open end whath is the output coil?
Inductorloop like Geofusion showed us?

I know this is thinking out of the box but it triggers me a lot.

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Quote from: Apecore on 2023-06-11, 13:08:38

Well it seems to be impossible to replicate an exact grenade as defined by Ruslan, Stalker etc.
As there are to many parameters involved.

Attached my grenade winding order, as I mentioned quit different configured but almost same end result


Apecore,

You mentioned that you wound your grenade coil in one direction and your attached pic depicts it. When you are winding clockwise as we know, if it is rising from your right as the wind is going from you, it's clockwise or right winding. If it is rising from left as it is going from you ,it is  counterclockwise or left winding. Now, if you are in the second layer as it is coming back to you, it is rising from the same right that is if you didn't switch the ends of your 50mm pipe as regards the side facing you already. But if you do, and your conductor is now rising from your right, your have reversed the winding to counterclockwise in respect to your first layer.

Stalker and Ruslan once mentioned that you can wind one direction and most of us have never tried it because we believe it give rise to excessive inductance. It is now a matter of interest if this be true. All we ever wanted is reduced inductance. In one of Ruslan videos where he gave tutorial on how to wind grenade coil, his inductance was low when he took measurement.

If winding one direction can bring about such low inductance, I think we have to explore this ASAP.  Sometimes our knowledge of conventional science can be barrier which was why I stated that in order to understand this Tesla Technology, one must leave the realm of mainstream science.

@Itsu,

Apecore won't need frequency to measure inductance. With any good LCR METER one can measure any inductance of an inductor.


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-06-11, 20:51:11
Ape, unfortunately, present science says it is not possible to directly transform reactive power into real power.

Asking ChatGPT confirms that:


Can reactive power be converted into active power? How?


Reactive power and active power are two components of electrical power that have different characteristics.
Reactive power represents the power consumed or generated by reactive elements in an electrical system, such as inductors and capacitors.
It does not perform any useful work but is necessary for the functioning of certain electrical devices.

On the other hand, active power represents the actual power that is consumed or generated by devices and performs useful work, such as producing mechanical energy or lighting.

In a purely theoretical sense, it is not possible to directly convert reactive power into active power because they serve different purposes in an electrical system.
However, it is possible to manage and optimize the power factor of a system to reduce the amount of reactive power and maximize the utilization of active power.

One common method to improve the power factor is by using power factor correction devices, such as capacitors.
These devices introduce reactive power of opposite sign to the system, compensating for the reactive power generated by inductive loads.
By reducing the reactive power in the system, the power factor is improved, and more active power can be utilized.

By improving the power factor, the overall efficiency of the system can be enhanced, reducing losses and optimizing the use of available active power.
This indirectly increases the effective utilization of active power while minimizing the amount of reactive power in the system.

So while reactive power cannot be directly converted into active power, managing and optimizing the power factor can help maximize the utilization of active power in an electrical system.


Itsu

Itsu,

This was answer years ago.

Reactive power can be use by first collecting it into a capacitor. After then, use to do work like active power.

Maxolous

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Maybe my notification regarding winding order is not standard.
When I mention layer 1 is CW at start.. and if layer 2 is defined as CW its reversed.
I define CW or CCW always from the view were the layer starts.
So I sweep the tube and start CW again.

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Itsu,

This was answer years ago.

Reactive power can be use by first collecting it into a capacitor. After then, use to do work like active power.

Maxolous



   Max: That is the same for BEMF.  Kachers run at least at 1MHz. So, it's no slow "one second" build up in the cap. Inductor run at RF frequency.
Ruslan shows the big loud discharged spark at the O.47uf series capacitor, as fast as he can short it out. Lots of amps.
Who of any of us has shown that...

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Max,
Maybe my notification regarding winding order is not standard.
When I mention layer 1 is CW at start.. and if layer 2 is defined as CW its reversed.
I define CW or CCW always from the view were the layer starts.
So I sweep the tube and start CW again.

Apecore,

Thanks for clarifying this. I almost got confused.
Yes, that was what Ruslan showed us here

https://youtu.be/lQJFmmeDMRk

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   Max: That is the same for BEMF.  Kachers run at least at 1MHz. So, it's no slow "one second" build up in the cap. Inductor run at RF frequency.
Ruslan shows the big loud discharged spark at the O.47uf series capacitor, as fast as he can short it out. Lots of amps.
Who of any of us has shown that...

   NickZ

Nickz,

BEMF yes, also like boost convertor where the BEMF is collected in cap before being used or available for use.

Concerning the Ruslan video you mentioned l, can you give me a pointer to it.

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What makes you think its BEMF Geo thought it was that as well, HOW ? there is no connection between the catcher and the grenade or yoke.

Sil

Apecore,

There is connection. The high voltage of kacher is impinging on it. This impingement or pulsing affects the grenade overall performance.
Maybe this is what NickZ knows as  "disruptive operation"
I believe this pulsing is to give the electrons flow in the grenade conductor a push

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Nickz,

BEMF yes, also like boost convertor where the BEMF is collected in cap before being used or available for use.

Concerning the Ruslan video you mentioned l, can you give me a pointer to it.

Maxolous

Howdy all. I thought I'd chime in here because I see some parallels with the work I'm doing.

When you say BEMF, I think you mean inductive kickback which happens when power through a coil is stopped abruptly. BEMF is the counter force / magnetic field that another conductor creates to oppose another magnetic field.

I am going to assume that it is inductive kickback that we're talking about. I've found that it is quite easy to charge a capacitor to a high voltage by interrupting the power into a coil. This voltage is dependent on how quickly you can turn off the switch. The quicker you turn it off, the higher the voltage.

Now, if you have a high frequency switch (MOSFET) that is able to turn off quickly (<10ns) then you can charge the capacitor from the inductive kickback many times per second (up to 1MHz). When you discharge the capacitor the current that is produced is dependent on how quickly you can discharge the capacitor, t=RC. A lower resistance causes a greater current to be produced. If you discharge the capacitor as soon as it has been charged then you can produce a continuous current, but it will be pulsating DC. You'd need to rectify it, smooth it etc. to get a clean DC output. If you want AC at a lower frequency (50/60Hz), then you need to charge a larger output capacitor to a lower voltage from the high frequency, high voltage, low capacitance capacitor and then use an IGBT or high amp MOSGET half bridge to output the low frequency AC.

The energy in a capacitor is E = 0.5 * CV^2. Increasing capacitance gives you a linear energy increase. Increasing voltage gives you an exponential energy increase. Therefore is it much more advantageous to charge a low capacitance to a high voltage, because you get more energy that way. Charging a low capacitance to a high voltage is exactly what we are doing by harvesting the inductive kickback.

I'm working on a device that follows these principles, which I've described in this thread: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4467.0

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Quote from: Apecore on 2023-06-11, 21:44:32
Hi Itsu,
I' m not aware in how doing a inductance measurement at 10khz.
I'm using a Chinees board to plug in a coil or cap and it delivers a value.
Let me know how the 10khz method works.

My interpretation about the grenade config is that it has to absorb electrostatic energy from the antenna.
We need a field in the grenade to interact with antenna..... how this is being done we need to find out.
Inductor playes a part in this.I guess. How? We have to find out.

But in my opinion we need some excitement of standing wave  in the grenade together with inductor field coöperation.
So thats why my journey starts with the magnetic field interpretation at 2Mhz
Men could argue that tbe 28turn coil could disrupt also something inside the grenade with its squarewave's.

But enough speculating..., hands-on.... we need a sort of test/ discovery plan.

Ape

Ape,

i have an LCR meter Agilent UC1733C (https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/U1733C/handheld-lcr-meter-100-hz-120-hz-1-khz-10-khz100-khz.html) which measures the inductance (among other things)
of a coil on several different selectable frequencies (100Hz, 120Hz, 1KHz, 10kHz and 100kHz).

As we run the Grenade between 10 to 25kHz, i selected the 10kHz range which measured the mentioned 150uH.
Therefor i always mention the Inductance at a certain frequency (150uH @ 10kHz) as the inductance varies with frequency.

To show how the inductance of a coil (in this case my Grenade) can vary by frequency i use my nanoVNA to give me the inductance value over a frequency range like here (from my post #39):



It shows at the 10kHz range (starting frequency of my nanoVNA) the same 150uH as the LCR meter, but then starts to deviate when increasing the frequency until resonance after which the grenade starts to show negative inductances meaning capacitance.
If my LCR meter would be able to measure at say 3.45MHz (marker 3 in the graph) it would show an inductance of -43.3uH and when in "auto mode" switches over to capacitance.


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Apecore,

There is connection. The high voltage of kacher is impinging on it. This impingement or pulsing affects the grenade overall performance.
Maybe this is what NickZ knows as  "disruptive operation"
I believe this pulsing is to give the electrons flow in the grenade conductor a push

Maxolous







   Max: I don't relate any of the above to electrons being pushed to flow through the conductor, by the high voltage pulse.
It is a matter of interference of the magnetic flux, instead By disruption, not a push, at all. But by STOPPING, the grenade's pulse, instead.  Tesla mentions what happens when the switch is open. Not by "adding" anything.
The Kachers pulse is not being interupted, it's the grenade pulse instead, which gets affected. Big difference.
   By simply ADDING HV pulses to the grenade, we will get exactly what we all got, nothing,  no OU, no self running...

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  Ape:
   How do you think that we should analyze the idea of BEMF, and it's relation to OU? Any ideas?
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Nick, hi

There are several methods.
The common Ruslan setup suggest a regular HV sinewave from the antenna wil be enough to creare OU.
This is not emf.
Dally used nanopulses to penetrate the inductor and or grenade.
Stalker used a interupter to get " nano" pulses from the kacher.

Do you remember Geo' s scopeshot of his kacher signals showing high dV/dt rising edges?

Getting emf from a coil can be done by switching it fast.
Ruslan could have lined its kacher up in such a way, not letting it resonate by pulsing a primary coil but switching the secondary to Vcc.
Here is were you get the nice unipolair puls. In fact half a period from the coils resonance frequency.as the other half way flows trough the bodydiode of the Mosfet.

When you ask how to analyse this I personally think we have to build a testcase were a single puls result can be stored, meaured. This together with scopeshots could point out if we are going the right direction.
Altough I've done a lot testing in this area w/o results I believe in someway the emf from a coil could be stored in the grenade when this grenade acts as a cap... and releases it when goes back to inductive again.
Itsu's nice resonance graph shows these relations.

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   Max: I don't relate any of the above to electrons being pushed to flow through the conductor, by the high voltage pulse.
It is a matter of interference of the magnetic flux, instead By disruption, not a push, at all. But by STOPPING, the grenade's pulse, instead.  Tesla mentions what happens when the switch is open. Not by "adding" anything.
The Kachers pulse is not being interupted, it's the grenade pulse instead, which gets affected. Big difference.
   By simply ADDING HV pulses to the grenade, we will get exactly what we all got, nothing,  no OU, no self running...

   NickZ

I have a lot of experience with pulses over 2kv, and low ns duration.

The idea is to apply the HV and open the switch as fast as possible.  When the pulse is applied to a coil of high self-induction (no metal core), the radiant electric effect is supposed to project from the coil, in all directions, like a shock wave.  Note that this pulse is biased with DC or with a magnetic field to push it up well above zero.

This radiant electric effect is supposed interact with magnetic fields (some say that it increases the magnetic field strength.  I haven't proven or dis-proven this yet.)

I'm not sure how this radiant electric effect would apply to this sort of device...

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #161 on: 2023-06-12, 22:13:12 »


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   Max: I don't relate any of the above to electrons being pushed to flow through the conductor, by the high voltage pulse.
It is a matter of interference of the magnetic flux, instead By disruption, not a push, at all. But by STOPPING, the grenade's pulse, instead.  Tesla mentions what happens when the switch is open. Not by "adding" anything.
The Kachers pulse is not being interupted, it's the grenade pulse instead, which gets affected. Big difference.
   By simply ADDING HV pulses to the grenade, we will get exactly what we all got, nothing,  no OU, no self running...

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Nickz,

It will be much appreciated if you show me this disruption process and how to accurately implement it . Because since you've been saying it I don't know how it's done and you have never showed it here.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #162 on: 2023-06-13, 00:34:40 »


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   I wish that I could show you what I mean, but the idea at this point is to understand the difference to our normal way of seeing all this.
And hopefully get closer to the truth, as there seams to be nothing but disinformation. Any ways, that's how I understand things so far.
And, I'm still hot on the trail...

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article claims working principles of these devices, pumps electrons from earth: attached

circuit appears to be Naudin's: https://overunity.com/13316/a-kapanadze-generator-replication-febuary-2013/

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Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023-06-13, 08:07:08
That device might look similare to the unsuspecting, but has nothing to do with this device or behaves
any thing like it and is off topic.

Sil

I'm sure you are an expert on this subject and have a garage full of working devices, but you can't spell "similar"...

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #165 on: 2023-06-14, 16:45:33 »
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I asume everybody is either working hard on testing its setup or deep diving in specific information.
Or am I the only one? ;D

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #165 on: 2023-06-14, 16:45:33 »
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I assume everybody is either working hard on testing its setup or deep diving in specific information.
Or am I the only one? ;D

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #166 on: 2023-06-14, 18:13:59 »
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can somebody explain to me why in grenade there is so many wire layers ?

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #167 on: 2023-06-14, 19:17:31 »
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can somebody explain to me why in grenade there is so many wire layers ?

I' m not sure but it sppears to me is to create a solid magnetic field wich interfeers in a way with the inductor magnetic field.
When you wind the layers in a certain way the created magnetic field at each layer point out the same direction or not?
You could make a drawing and use the right hand rule and see
if the different grenade configuration have simularity or not.
Attached a drawing I hopefully did the rigth way

The big question is what do we need.
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Quote from: forest on 2023-06-14, 18:13:59
can somebody explain to me why in grenade there is so many wire layers ?

See my answer in my post #96 here:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg104996#msg104996

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #169 on: 2023-06-15, 15:34:51 »


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Something I will like to try too
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #170 on: 2023-06-16, 08:23:46 »


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AG,
At what frequency  is your wound grenade resonate.

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Something I will like to try too



Hi Max,

that looks like Stalkers Version 2 Grenade which i also use now as mentioned earlier https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.msg91333#msg91333

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Hi Max,

that looks like Stalkers Version 2 Grenade which i also use now as mentioned earlier https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.msg91333#msg91333

Itsu

@Itsu,

I have seen it.
But look critically, look at it again comparing the one I just posted and yours, there is a slight difference.  Thus, if you are looking at the point that layer 2 stopped and layer 3 started in my post considering the direction of wound of layer 3, mathematically, layer 3 is in the same direction as layer 2. Please, study it.
I stand to be corrected.

Find attached.

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Grenade winding Note a more balanced variant device can be found on the Dally thread page 163
witch needs looking into.

The inductor winding would (perhaps) need winding ob first.

Sil

https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/2430/

AG,

I looked at it .
It's the Bloch wall method of Late Don Smith

He said ; oneside is current Amps and the other is voltage Amps

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #174 on: 2023-06-16, 16:03:33 »


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Itsu,
If am correct, layer 1,2,3, are in same direction in my image notation
Same principle if winding a transformer for Inverter(layer2&3)
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Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023-06-16, 17:31:30
as in drawing.

AG,
Your above arrangement refers;

First 2 layers one direction, the last 4layers reversed direction

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as in drawing.

AG,
Your above arrangement refers;

First 2 layers one direction, the last 4layers reversed direction

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@Itsu,

I have seen it.
But look critically, look at it again comparing the one I just posted and yours, there is a slight difference.  Thus, if you are looking at the point that layer 2 stopped and layer 3 started in my post considering the direction of wound of layer 3, mathematically, layer 3 is in the same direction as layer 2. Please, study it.
I stand to be corrected.

Find attached.

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Hi Max,

yes you are correct, i see it, the difference is starting between layers 2 and 3.

Interesting again, so this could be Stalkers Grenade V3   O0

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Itsu,
If am correct, layer 1,2,3, are in same direction in my image notation
Same principle if winding a transformer for Inverter(layer2&3)
Maxolous

Hmm, It's hard to see how layer 3 is wound, CW or CCW, i do not see the pictogram as with the other layers (I guess the pictograms left of the inductor are pointing to the inductor winding direction).

Perhaps a better picture could show what is meant.

Itsu