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QuoteThe point is that we can explain electromagnetism without having to assume an ether.
Since science consists in modeling what we observe, the ether is useless.
If the proponents of an ether believe in it, let them provide the experiment to prove it.

I would disagree and we cannot explain electromagnetism when we still do not know what an electric or magnetic field is. Both electromagnetism(field theory) and the Aether suffers the same lack of facts to explain what they are in reality. Unless, of course, you have observed the inner workings of a field first hand and know exactly what it is made of and can show all of us. Do you have any proof?... can you explain electromagnetism without a field?.

QuoteThat's right, but science is not just an opinion.
In science, one takes the trouble to verify that the "personal version" corroborates the facts, that is what distinguishes it from other intellectual disciplines.
The "personal version" must even demonstrate how it verifies the facts, which is the only way for it to be refutable (falsifiable), and therefore to be scientific.

Yes science requires facts but it's still based on an opinion of which facts apply and there validity.

For example, I reject the space/time theory because it's absurd, it's cheating(making constants variable) and the author (Einstein) agreed it was unworkable. All of the effects supposedly attributed to space/time can be replaced with variable mass-inertia. So I can reject others opinions presented as facts using the same reasoning they rejected mine. It's obviously not about "the facts" because most pick and choose which facts they accept or not.

I call what you did above the "Science Gambit", which is simply a variation on the false cause fallacy and fallacy fallacy.
The argument goes like this, "Science is about facts>>>here are my facts>>>I will not accept any of your facts as facts>>>science is about facts so I must be right". That's not real science, that's an opinion.

Regards
AC

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2022.08.14, 16:21:44
F6FLT
I would disagree and we cannot explain electromagnetism when we still do not know what an electric or magnetic field is.
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C.C
Science does not say that a field is an element of physical reality.
It defines it.  E = F/q is the ratio of the force to the charge at a point in space.

The field is nothing else.

End of the story.

If we describe ether/aether as the classical 'ultra-rarified medium permeating all space' or the 'medium which conducts light', then I think the Dirac Sea of virtual particles / Quantum Field Theory might be the closest modern equivalent.  I'm not very deep into that field so I can't say authoritatively.
But whatever model/description we use, in the electrical engineering sense it is the impedance of free space, dictated by the apparent constants of permittivity + permeability.

So we can say that regardless of what 'aether' actually is or whether it is motional or what exists in empty space or what gives empty space these properties, it has the discrete properties of farads-per-meter (8.851*10-12), henries-per-meter (4pi10-7), and their relationship impedance of 377 ohms.

The fact that the quantum vacuum is not empty and could be called "ether", does not prove that the content of this vacuum is a necessity to explain anything else.

For example, if we suppose that EM waves are the propagation of a perturbation of the ether, as all other waves are the perturbation of a medium, then why don't two electromagnetic waves couple through this ether?
Why can't we move this ether carrying a wave, to increase its speed as a sound wave does in the wind?

An ether, but to explain what we could not explain without it?

F6FLT

QuoteScience does not say that a field is an element of physical reality.
It defines it.  E = F/q is the ratio of the force to the charge at a point in space.
The field is nothing else.

Logically if the field wasn't a "physical reality" then in reality it wouldn't be able to act on something physically yet it does. It seems to me your confusing math/equations with reality again.

As well, "science" obviously doesn't say anything because science is not a person only a methodology to study nature. In fact, the majority of people in science would disagree with you and the Primary Fields are considered to be real.

Regards
AC

Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.08.14, 19:33:45
Why can't we move this ether carrying a wave, to increase its speed as a sound wave does in the wind?

I don't know if it is possible to create imbalance or motion, but if it were possible then it would show up as an anomalous increase/decrease in the impedance of a given region of space.
Are there experiments in academia that deal with transients of negative permittivity/permeability, or anomalous positive impedance?

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An ether, but to explain what we could not explain without it?

My point was that several of the present models appear to use an 'ether' but through different names.  Dirac Sea is an aether of a homogeneous, isotropic, lattice if I understand it correctly.  But the word itself has icky connotations, partly to distance from the 19th century engineers, and partly because many will use it as a placeholder word for magic (almost like The Jedi Force ;D)

But, an inhomogeneous Dirac Sea / vacuum flux might conceivably explain things like dark energy and/or dark matter.

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2022.08.14, 20:29:25
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Logically if the field wasn't a "physical reality" then in reality it wouldn't be able to act on something physically yet it does. It seems to me your confusing math/equations with reality again.
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As well, "science" obviously doesn't say anything because science is not a person only a methodology to study nature. In fact, the majority of people in science would disagree with you and the Primary Fields are considered to be real.
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Scientists characterize what they observe, they do not describe the essence of a supposed underlying reality. You confuse this second method with that of religions, esotericism and pseudo-sciences, which claim to know reality and which have proven their failures by the absence of operational results.

Your assertions are beyond science. The goal is not to try to prove one's faith by facts, but to start from the facts that one observes in order to describe their relations.

At best the ether is a hypothesis. But with you it is an irrefutable assertion. So characterize the observations of the ether as scientists characterize an electric field by E=F/q and you will be credible.

Quote from: Hakasays on 2022.08.14, 20:41:38
I don't know if it is possible to create imbalance or motion, but if it were possible then it would show up as an anomalous increase/decrease in the impedance of a given region of space.
Are there experiments in academia that deal with transients of negative permittivity/permeability, or anomalous positive impedance?

I don't know

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My point was that several of the present models appear to use an 'ether' but through different names.  Dirac Sea is an aether of a homogeneous, isotropic, lattice if I understand it correctly.  But the word itself has icky connotations, partly to distance from the 19th century engineers, and partly because many will use it as a placeholder word for magic (almost like The Jedi Force ;D)

But, an inhomogeneous Dirac Sea / vacuum flux might conceivably explain things like dark energy and/or dark matter.

Contrary to what one may think, I am not opposed to the idea of an ether, but on condition that one characterizes in what way it would be the necessary support of the phenomena that one observes, such as the dark matter that you mention, in the same way that the ether supposed in the 19th century was to explain the propagation of EM waves.

Indeed, nobody denies that the vacuum is not really empty, and that this "medium" even has apparent macroscopic properties such as permittivity, permeability, and a limiting speed. But this only makes it an ether if observed objects in it are the result of perturbations, concentrations, deformations etc. of this ether. Otherwise, one can call the quantum vacuum "ether", but it would be useless, it would only be the word that changes, without any paradigm shift.

To my knowledge, only H. E. Puthoff has really tried this with the idea of the PV (polarizable vacuum). By explaining general relativity and electromagnetism by a physical medium endowed with permittivity and permeability, thus making the metric of space-time physical, the idea of ether could be reborn. But he failed. One cannot explain all relativistic phenomena by the PV, and moreover some of them are incompatible with the PV.
In order to believe in an ether necessary to explain observable phenomena, I am waiting for a more credible theory than Puthoff's one (who however sets relatively high standard).

Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.08.14, 19:33:45
The fact that the quantum vacuum is not empty and could be called "ether", does not prove that the content of this vacuum is a necessity to explain anything else.

For example, if we suppose that EM waves are the propagation of a perturbation of the ether, as all other waves are the perturbation of a medium, then why don't two electromagnetic waves couple through this ether?
Why can't we move this ether carrying a wave, to increase its speed as a sound wave does in the wind?

An ether, but to explain what we could not explain without it?

I think you need a definition of what is a perturbation of the aether.  Is it a change in the characteristics of the medium, like for sound waves it is the air density?  For our EM wave propagation it is not the characteristics of the medium that changes, they remain the well known free space values.  So we are left with something else within that free space that is the carrier.  We already accept photons as having both wave and particle like objects travelling through space, we accept that particles having zero rest mass (like neutrinos) travel through space.  You seem to accept that a perturbation of the Coulomb field travels through space to account for EM radiation and we know that has photonic character.  Yet you have no explanation for what the Coulomb field actually is, other than it is the force on a charge.  Why not find an explanation for that force?  We already have an explanation for force on a mass particle and that is rate of change of momentum.  That rate of change of momentum can be momentum absorbed from an impacting particle that already has momentum (a bullet strike will knock you backwards), or recoil if a particle leaves the mass carrying momentum (like recoil from a gun).  We accept that zero rest mass particles (those pesky photons or neutrinos) on absorption or emission create force.  So what's wrong with explaining the Coulomb force the same way?  The Coulomb force is embedded in EM theory, it is an E force defined as force on a charge, in my mind it has to be some virtual particle interaction.  If we don't accept that then we have two different types of E force, that transverse E in EM radiation created by particle interaction and longitudinal Coulomb E force that has no explanation but just happens.
Smudge

@Smudge

I understand perfectly your approach. You want to explain physical phenomena more deeply from the idea of the ether.

But as already said, and even if you succeed in creating a new theory with the ether, what use would it be if it does not explain anything more than what we already observe and model by the conventional laws of physics, which do not need the ether?

The task is therefore hard for the proponents of the ether: not only to explain in a different way everything that is already explained without the ether, but also to foresee new phenomena that would require the ether and that the classical theories would fail to describe, and to put them in experimental evidence.

My opinion is that it is working backwards. A hypothesis should only be taken when faced with a phenomenon that cannot yet be explained.
That said, it doesn't prevent us from testing ideas like the ether because we have the intuition to be on the right track, but it is important that it doesn't become an obsession and that we don't assume a priori the ether every time we want to explain something that is already explainable without the ether.

Quote from: Smudge on 2022.08.15, 08:48:58
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The Coulomb force is embedded in EM theory, it is an E force defined as force on a charge, in my mind it has to be some virtual particle interaction.  If we don't accept that then we have two different types of E force, that transverse E in EM radiation created by particle interaction and longitudinal Coulomb E force that has no explanation but just happens.
Smudge

Science does not explain what things are, but what we observe of them.
The electric field has made it possible to identify the effect of the coulombic force with that of the electric field of an EM wave, it is the same in both cases.
What you are looking for is a deeper level to the field explanation. But to answer which observations the field would not explain?

Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.08.15, 09:43:43
Science does not explain what things are, but what we observe of them.
The electric field has made it possible to identify the effect of the coulombic force with that of the electric field of an EM wave, it is the same in both cases.
What you are looking for is a deeper level to the field explanation. But to answer which observations the field would not explain?

I think a measurement of the propagation delay of the longitudinal wave, a change of longitudinal E field that you claim in your other thread propagates instantaneously.  You challenge my measurements as being corrupted by transverse EM radiation without even knowing my set up.  You challenge any attempt to measure such longitudinal waves as being so corrupted, yet it is not beyond the wit of man to design an experiment that is not corrupted.
Smudge

Quote from: Smudge on 2022.08.15, 09:55:00
... a change of longitudinal E field that you claim in your other thread propagates instantaneously.
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I'm not saying that at all. A charge at rest or a charge moving at constant speed does not change the field, since the charge cannot know if it is moving or not, it is only relative to an observer. The charge can have as many different speed as we want relative to any observer, it will not change the radial field seen by the charge, which remains well centered on it.
At constant speed the field does not propagate, it moves at the same speed as the charge. It only appears instantaneous to someone like you who believes that it emanates from the charge, when it only accompanies it.
What propagates from the charge, at speed c, is the deformation of the field viewed from an observer in an inertial frame when the charge is accelerated.

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You challenge my measurements as being corrupted by transverse EM radiation without even knowing my set up. 

"What is asserted without proof can be denied without proof"  ;), this is a way of asking for proof.

F6FLT

QuoteI'm not saying that at all. A charge at rest or a charge moving at constant speed does not change the field, since the charge cannot know if it is moving or not, it is only relative to an observer. The charge can have as many different speed as we want relative to any observer, it will not change the radial field seen by the charge, which remains well centered on it.
At constant speed the field does not propagate, it moves at the same speed as the charge. It only appears instantaneous to someone like you who believes that it emanates from the charge, when it only accompanies it.
What propagates from the charge, at speed c, is the deformation of the field viewed from an observer in an inertial frame when the charge is accelerated.

We seldom agree but well said...

I could try to explain this phenomena but Bill Beaty does a much better job than I ever could.
http://amasci.com/elect/charge1.html
WHAT IS "ELECTRIC CHARGE?

In my opinion Bill Beaty's website should be required learning because almost everyone botches the subject of what electricity is.

Regards
AC

Beaty's final answer is that of the dictionary: "Electric charge is a fundamental property of matter...".
He is right.
And it should be noted that the dictionary definition is a very simplified, popularized version of the scientific, mathematical definition.
Objects in science are only the definitions of properties that scientists make of them. Those who tell us what these objects would be intrinsically, as if they had an objective physical reality, are acting as prophets of a religion that science is not; run away from them!   ;)

Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.08.16, 09:44:27
Objects in science are only the definitions of properties that scientists make of them.

Couldn't agree more.
Often times you will see 3 different minds with 3 different explanations following the same fundamental concept/process.

That's why I try to stay focused purely on the impedance aspect, because whatever we call the 'aether', its properties are fundamentally based around permittivity and permeability.
So if it does have a mobile/elastic/particulate nature then it would show up as things like anomalous positive or negative inductance/capacitance, and far more likely to appear during transients.

   Guys:
   Current science does not believe what Tesla (our greatest scientist inventor) says about the Aether. The word ether is meant for something else.
   Nor can conventional science today proof or disprove any properties of the Aether. As it can't be seen nor measured, as yet. Yet, its effects can be studied.
   Or is it that some of you guys come to this thread and free energy forums, that concerns this subject, to try and throw it under the carpet? Using conventional science as your benchmark.  As it seams like it, most of the time.
   
   Just so there is no confusion, I do believe what Tesla says, concerning the SOURCE of all that is, the Aether. He was clear about this source of power. And I will use that logic to further our interests in self running solid state devices. As I don't expect conventional science to show us the way. As it is politically controlled, and is not always science, but plain lies at times. Keeping us all uninformed, and to keep us paying their destructive polluting and dangerous (Nuclear powered) electric companies, instead. Of which Russia has now stolen and taken over one such site, and can even use that threat against people, as a weapon of mass destruction, and China, and other such countries, as well.
   Over 700 nuclear facilities are already built, with many more in the making. Lots of money to be made with that "science" At the expense of true and safe electric power, from personal devices, in ones home, or work places. You think that these hundreds of nuclear plants are safe,  really.
   Is CERN safe.  I doubt it, they are playing with fire.  Is that the same science that some of you believe in???
   Do you think that the dark governments underground secretive facilities don't know about free energy?
   There is a reason that we are being kept in the dark about all this. And there is much more that can be said, concerning what is truth, and what are lies and disinformation, today. How many people have been killed over the free energy ideas, and self running devices. None?
Think about it, if you care, for a change.   We already know what conventional science wants us to think about all this.
   

   NickZ

Quote from: Hakasays on 2022.08.16, 13:09:29
Couldn't agree more.
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If you don't agree with the scientists' definitions, define your own objects.

Nobody here would have the idea of the electron if scientists had not defined it.
Let those who do not agree with the objects of the scientists define their own instead of plagiarizing them without ever having the rigor to define them in the only adapted language, the maths.

NickZ

QuoteCurrent science does not believe what Tesla (our greatest scientist inventor) says about the Aether. The word ether is meant for something else.
Nor can conventional science today proof or disprove any properties of the Aether. As it can't be seen nor measured, as yet. Yet, its effects can be studied.
Or is it that some of you guys come to this thread and free energy forums, that concerns this subject, to try and throw it under the carpet? Using conventional science as your benchmark.  As it seams like it, most of the time.

I consider it more a debate of what science is and what it isn't...
Science is a methodology to study nature based on the facts we know versus all the various theories like Aether, space-time, the big bang, wormholes and so forth.

However, what were often debating here is considered invention and discovery which is different from science. We could think of science as a beginners level and invention/discovery an advanced level. Invention/discovery is where we take known science and expand upon it versus simply repeating what everyone else is doing and saying. Even more interesting is when we discover something new which happens all the time.

For example, science doesn't recognize UFO technology as a fact however I and another person observed one first hand as a fact. While science can give me some background information on how it could work it cannot tell me how it does work in reality. We could think of it this way, by observing a real UFO first hand I discovered that in fact they are real and science or others opinions have little to do with it. So we as individuals can know any number of things as a fact which others do not for no other reason than others didn't observe the fact and we did. Ergo...seeing real proof is believing, not so much opinions of things we didn't see.

So we should understand science generally deals with things we can prove and invention/discovery deals with all the unknowns.
Science is kind of like our nagging mother always saying "you can't do that" but then we go ahead and do it anyways, lol.

Regards
AC

I thought I would put on paper the journey that brought me to my present view of the aether.

F6 previously said

QuoteScience does not say that a field is an element of physical reality.
It defines it.  E = F/q is the ratio of the force to the charge at a point in space.  The field is nothing else.

I think he will agree that the force on a charge is a physical reality since we can measure it.  I think he will also agree that when we measure that force, then whatever produced that force is not within the charge itself, it is something some distance away from the charge, hence we need some description of how that displaced object applies that force and that is the E field as a vector.  I think he will also agree that we can say that the E field describes an external force on the charge, it is not internally derived.

We have the same situation regarding gravitational force on a mass, it is an external force.

Now go back to our test charge in the presence of a nearby charge, and we suddenly accelerate our test charge.  When we do this we find that the inertia of our test charge is different from its mass inertia, it has some additional inertia that has previously been called electrostatic inertia even though this is not a static situation.  The additional inertia is related to the value of our test charge, the value of the nearby charge and its distance (actually it is the potential from the nearby charge).  I guess an explanation for this is that the additional force required to accelerate our test charge is because it sees a distorted or perturbed E field caused by the acceleration.  And I guess that one would still consider the modified E field as imposing an external force on the test charge.

Now get back to mass inertia.  I am in one of these imaginary space ships that drift through space for many years and is an enormous rotating hollow disc with human beings living in a pseudo gravity environment on the inside surface of the rim.  We all feel this pseudo gravity as an external force on our bodies.  Why oh why cannot science accept that it really is an external force?  OK we can do various experiments inside this spaceship to discover that it is not the same as that on the surface of the Earth, but that does not detract from it being an external force.  Do we as scientists really believe that by a change of velocity mass has this magical property of resisting change of motion without this being an external force?  If you accept that a perturbed E field can apply an external inertia force on a charge, why not accept that a perturbed gravity field can do the same?

Our mechanical science has taught us that force is equivalent to the rate-of-change of momentum and that can come from different sources.  As a boy scout I did my firefighters badge that took me to the local fire station where I used one of their high pressure hoses.  The force trying to push me backwards was exhilarating, and of course that principle of ejecting mass at high velocity has its uses elsewhere in rockets, jet engines and even hose pipes to provide lift against gravity.  Later in my career I got interested in gyros when I saw Prof. Laithwaite's infamous lecture on TV.  I attended one of his subsequent lectures when he toured the country and corresponded with him on my idea for a gyroscopic lifter.  The prototype never worked but it did do weird things like tilt itself sideways.  That was when I came to the conclusion that inertia forces are external forces acting on the body.  Looking for a source for those external forces I read other people's views notably those of Sciama, Mach and Aspden.  When you draw the Coriolis force vectors acting on the mass at the rim of a precessing gyro they point into space.  In any other branch of science that would be considered an external force.

Momentum can be absorbed by a body and that creates a force, if I am hit by a bullet I am forced backwards.  Momentum can be ejected from a body, if I fire a rifle the recoil forces me backwards.  And it is not just mass momentum that obey those rules.  The Crooke Gradiometer is a good example of a force resulting from the difference between absorbed and emitted momentum, in this case the momentum of photons as particles.  It is this line of thought that brought me to believe in an aether that is space filled with an enormous density of neutrino-like particles travelling at velocity c arriving in our small part of the universe from all directions.  Forces occur by absorption and emission of these particles, and it is ridiculously simple to evolve a theory for inertia based on absorption and emission of these particles.  This also gives a formula for what inertial mass really is based on the collision cross section of the mass particle and the quantities of absorbed and emitted momenta that differ only when the velocity of the mass is changing.  Taking this further the space particles can be given spin, as neutrinos have spin, and if the spin vectors of the arriving particles can influence the direction in which particles are emitted it is possible to extend this model into EM phenomena to give an explanation for what charge really is, for electric and magnetic forces all based on momentum exchange.  Also this play into relativity because the direction of the spin vector of arriving space particles as seen by a moving particle depends on the relative velocities.

My aether is not an elastic aether that appears to deform, it is space filled with particles that carry momentum and spin, and it is the particle pattern in the form of the distribution of their spin vectors relative to their momentum (velocity) vectors that appears to deform.  If all the space particles arriving at our test particle have spin vectors aligned with their velocity vectors we inherit inertia but zero gravity (the so-called flat space of GR).  In general all arriving particles have some misalignment between their spin and velocity vectors, they have a transverse component.  Another form of flat space is where the transverse components are all random.  A nearby mass (a) shields some of the space particles arriving from that direction because it absorbs them, but then (b) emits them as longitudinal particles (spin vector aligned with velocity vector) to arrive at our test mass.  These arriving particles have lost their transversivity.  This alters the background arrival pattern at our test mass so it endures a gravitational pull towards the nearby mass.  In GR this is the so-called curved space.

Smudge

Do you have more on this theory?

Quote from: NickZ on 2022.08.16, 14:04:09
   Guys:
   Current science does not believe what Tesla (our greatest scientist inventor) says about the Aether.

Current science is right about that.

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The word ether is meant for something else.

We expect those who talk about it to define it with the same rigor that scientists define their own objects. Otherwise, the ether not being defined, everyone says anything about it and it is no more verifiable than a pink unicorn horn.

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   Nor can conventional science today proof or disprove any properties of the Aether.

Science can't tell us about the Pink Unicorn either. So what? Would it be a clue that it exists?

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As it can't be seen nor measured, as yet. Yet, its effects can be studied.

It remains to be proven, and the burden of proof is not on the scientists.

Scientists will define the ether if they need to, otherwise they do not need a superfluous hypothesis.

Quote from: Smudge on 2022.08.16, 15:38:34
I thought I would put on paper the journey that brought me to my present view of the aether.

F6 previously said I think he will agree that the force on a charge is a physical reality since we can measure it.

This way of thinking is the main cause of misunderstanding: believing that the measurement would be the indicator of a precise physical object.
A measurement evaluates effects that are obviously physical. But a measurement does not validate as an independent physical object the mathematical choices made to describe it, like the electric field.
This misunderstanding is a confusion between the map and the territory.

One can define the gravitational field as Newton did, or as Einstein did. But a Newtonian gravitational field is not a curvature of Einstein's spacetime, although to some degree of accuracy they both verify the measurement.
So we cannot say what is the "physical reality" behind the mathematical objects that describe it (assuming it exists and is independent of the observer). An object like the "gravitational field" remains a mathematical object, not a physical object. Again, science describes what is observed, not what exists independently of the observation.

The worst thing is that many people who confuse the map and the territory, create an imaginary territory from the map of conventional science, then want to redefine the scientists' map, claiming that the scientists are wrong, that the electron or the electric field is not this or not that, as if they were absolute realities... This is totally meaningless.

Having said that, physics is obviously not complete, so we can be interested as you did (and I did too), in Sciama or Mach. The problem is that we are not the only ones, scientists do the same thing and are as curious as we are, maybe even more. If most of these respectable scientists like Sciama or Mach did not have their theories accepted by their peers, it is because they were incompatible with some of our observations, especially Mach.
When we question a scientific theory, it is not enough to explore only part of what the alternative theory would explain, but also to explain everything that would remain unexplained when we disqualify the questioned theory.

If Maxwell's equations are claimed to be false, then relativity is also false, both being fully compatible, and everything they explained is also to be explained by the replacement theory.
What cannot be taken away from science is a great internal coherence, of which the rare exceptions are known and studied, such as the incompatibility between QM and GR, dark matter...
My opinion is that it would be much better to demonstrate experimentally new or unexplained effects before trying to replace proven physical theories. If there is nothing new to see, there is no new theory to make. One can have the idea of a new theory, like the ether, to imagine new effects that could be experimented, but then I urge amateur theorists to do as Einstein did: formalize it, with proposals for experiments demonstrating it, before talking about it.

  I attended one of his subsequent lectures when he toured the country and corresponded with him on my idea for a gyroscopic lifter.  The prototype never worked but it did do weird things like tilt itself sideways. 


Smudge
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Hello Smudge.
   Can you share more information on this gyroscopic lifter ?

Regards
Cortazar

Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.08.16, 15:30:16
If you don't agree with the scientists' definitions, define your own objects.

Nobody here would have the idea of the electron if scientists had not defined it.
Let those who do not agree with the objects of the scientists define their own instead of plagiarizing them without ever having the rigor to define them in the only adapted language, the maths.

It's probably that kind of hostility that gets you kicked off the other sites, trying to berate someone that's agreeing with you. C.C
I was trying to stay focused on the science, that if such perturbations exist, of how they might be created/detected in EE.

Specifically:

Quote from: HakasaysI don't know if it is possible to create imbalance or motion, but if it were possible then it would show up as an anomalous increase/decrease in the impedance of a given region of space.
Are there experiments in academia that deal with transients of negative permittivity/permeability, or anomalous positive impedance?

   AC.
   I understand your views about what is or is not "science".
    I personally am more interested in the truth, about free energy, not the "science" of it, instead. As I seam to have an inherent distrust for what is called "science", now. I am a nuclear scientists son. And am very leary of anything "nuclear", sorry to say. As that is what our electrical power will be based on, to be able to run the millions of new electric being made, as well as nuclear everything else. Like giving a gun to a baby.

   So, there seams to be a difference to Tesla's ideas, and what we have going on now. Pay, pay, pay, pay and pay some more.  Nice...

   NickZ

Quote from: Hakasays on 2022.08.16, 17:50:28
It's probably that kind of hostility that gets you kicked off the other sites, trying to berate someone that's agreeing with you. C.C
I was trying to stay focused on the science, that if such perturbations exist, of how they might be created/detected in EE.
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I don't contradict those who agree with me, so if I left that impression or did, it is a misunderstanding.

So I reread our exchange:
"Objects in science are only the definitions of properties that scientists make of them."
F6FLT
"Couldn't agree more"
Hackasays

I understood you to say that you no more agree with me (hence my request that you define your own objects).
Now that I reread, I understand that you were saying the opposite.   8)
Sorry for the misunderstanding, English is not my native language, and glad we agree.

   Guys:
   I repeat again, Kapanadze who follows Tesla ideas, says that, you have to  "Shake the Aether". Excite the Aether...
   Kapanadze did mention that his devices use Tesla's ideas. And he did have many witnesses with all their test equipment, to make sure he was not fooling around.

    NickZ

"Shake, rattle and roll" the Aether, Bill Haley added, the COP will go from 10 to 1000.  :)

Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.08.16, 20:38:03
I understood you to say that you no more agree with me (hence my request that you define your own objects).
Now that I reread, I understand that you were saying the opposite.   8)
Sorry for the misunderstanding, English is not my native language, and glad we agree.

It happens.  Just an example of how easy it is a topic can be confused with language/definitions. :P

BTW I am finding some instances of anomalous negative capacitance, which from an elastic aether model, it would mean relative permittivity is dropping below 1:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/adma.202008068

Most commonly seems to show up in ferroelectric capacitors and multiferroics.
Anomalous negative inductance seems less common but I suspect it would show up inside magnetic amplifiers and synchronous alternators.

F6FLT

QuoteWe expect those who talk about it to define it with the same rigor that scientists define their own objects. Otherwise, the ether not being defined, everyone says anything about it and it is no more verifiable than a pink unicorn horn.

It's debatable, if anything not defined or verifiable by science cannot exist how do you explain...you?.

Our brain is just a bunch of electrical signals bouncing around off bundles of cells and if it wasn't for our own existence/consciousness science would deny it's even possible. Consciousness makes literally no sense because it's just a bunch of inanimate material and electricity according to science isn't it?. Yet here we are having a debate even though science in principal would claim we cannot exist and we are as you say...pink unicorns.

I have found it's best not to get too full of ourselves with respect to what we think we understand given our circumstances.

On the Aether, I can take it or leave it and it doesn't mean much either way. It's more a question of logic and reason than others opinions. My reasoning is that energy cannot translate through an empty space because this would be no different that saying something can be created from nothing. It's like saying something moved which is energy then said energy traveled through an empty space where nothing was present which could have moved which isn't energy then magically appeared somewhere else again as energy. Ergo something from nothing which we know doesn't work.

In the big picture I use a different methodology I call the "different facts" scenario...

For example, I and another person observed a UFO do some crazy stuff first hand and we know this as a fact. You and countless others may not have seen one, may not believe it's even possible or believe anything you want because it doesn't matter. In effect others opinions cannot change our facts thus we must be using a different set of facts as we know them.

Regards
AC

Dr. Harold Aspden reported an odd effect that he experienced when doing experiments with motors.
He used the term "vrtual inertia" to describe it.

2019 discussion here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3712.0

Articles about the effect:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/N/N199502s.PDF
http://www.aetherscience.org/www-aspden-org/papers/bib/1995f.htm

   AC:
   You mentioned:
   On the Aether, I can take it or leave it and it doesn't mean much either way.
                                                                                                                end quote.

    Yes, that is what most people think, as well. As that is what they want us to think. As neither they nor you KNOW about what it can do.
But, Kapanadze does. And does not expect to harvest from "nothing" as you think.
   
    Considered unimportant, but the use of Aether physics, could change this fucked up polluted dying planet. Without the need to keep burning things up, nor creating a real mess with nuclear facilities. Nor making a Ponzi scheme of our economies. And, with out the need to spend money on, fuel, for your car, nor spending anything to heat ones house or business. Planes could fly for free, almost.   Can you take that, or leave it??? Doesn't matter to you?...You would think differently if you KNEW that it's all more than just possible.
 
    Do you think that those space ships that you saw need to burn tons fuel, to get here?  Like we are doing just to get anywhere. That's why they don't want us to know anything about the Aether. You will not hear about it in physics class. And any one showing a working self runner, will have problems. They have done a great job, hiding the truth from us.
   
   We will finally see that everything that we know of, can be taken or produced from this Aether. Like food, and well everything. Of course no one believes it. But, I do. As it's in my blood, yes, Slavic blood. And, we don't give in too easily to the current brainwashing ideas, and tactics.

   The Anunnaki needed slaves to mine for gold and Uranium so they created us to serve their needs. Just like we use beasts of burden. And now we are still slaves, to the current work ethics, providing us with big debts to keep us working without freedom of choice.
But, they the Anunnaki come from a different dimension, and didn't need to "travel" to get here. Nor needed to buy a ticket...

   Grumpy:  Tesla has mentioned that the energy that comes from spinning a magnet over coils, does not come from the energy created by the spin, as we are still being taught in schools. It comes from the Aether, instead.  You can believe him, or not, but it helps to believe, if you want free energy.


   NickZ

Quote from: NickZ on 2022.08.17, 13:16:24
   AC:
   You mentioned:
   On the Aether, I can take it or leave it and it doesn't mean much either way.
                                                                                                                end quote.
    Yes, that is what most people think, as well. As that is what they want us to think.

And these people are right, just as some proponents of the ether are wrong to "want us to think" that the ether would be useful.
They are wrong not because they make the ether hypothesis, but because they talk about it as if it were a reality when they are unable to produce any experimental evidence. 

Quote
As neither they nor you KNOW about what it can do
...

nor you.
Or please, spare us the tedious blah blah or conspiracy theories like in your reply #16, and present us with your experimental results about the aether.

   Bla bla bla, you call it.
   It is obvious that you have read some of Tesla's ideas, but the bases of those ideas and tests are based on this unimportant issue to you you called Aether. Can I prove it, no, can you?
   Well, if you can't prove it, and I can't prove it, it just can't be true... Or can it.
   Remember, this is a thread about Aether science. Not about my opinion, or yours. Nor about conventional closed circuit devices.

   NickZ

  Funny how you start a thread about this subject, yet seam to ignore and disbelieve its essence.
Then ask me to prove what is not provable, at this time. Like proving that God exist, or that you exist.
  I did mention the Kapanadze devices, and there is also Akula, Stalker, Ruslan,  Adrian Gustav, and others that you may not know.
  Are you aware of what they have shown, concerning Tesla ideas of harvesting from the surrounding ambient medium? As it does not seam like it. Or is this all about naysaying and calling me an idiot. Is that what you think of Tesla, also? All this is bla bla bla, to you.
But, not to worry, I won't waste any more of your time. I was hoping that there are others that may be helped by what I've said.
   Sorry to bore you AC. You can continue telling people how wrong they are, in your opinion. Yet, show no proof, as well...


   NickZ
   
   

     Deleted.

  Double post deleted.

I offered Dr Aspden's "rotational motor anomaly" as possible indication of an aether, but no one commented on it.

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.17, 23:26:26
I offered Dr Aspden's "rotational motor anomaly" as possible indication of an aether, but no one commented on it.

   I did answer you. Post #32.
   Sounds interesting, but we would need to replicated the effect, to confirm the anomaly.
   Thanks for sharing the info.

   NickZ

   

Quote from: NickZ on 2022.08.17, 20:29:51
   Bla bla bla, you call it.
...

Obviously not, you are mistaken. I don't call ether "ba bla bla", but only what you say about it.

You ask others to "shake the ether". So shake it yourself and then come and tell us how, with your experimental results to support it. Only then can your words be considered as something other than "ba bla bla".

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.17, 23:26:26
I offered Dr Aspden's "rotational motor anomaly" as possible indication of an aether, but no one commented on it.

I have a video on YouTube about that, done several years ago now. My results were inconclusive and rather amusing as we forgot to note the acceleration times.   ;D

Cheers Grum.

   Ok, so it seams that both AC as well as F6 do not agree with Tesla, and believe him to be wrong. Nor know what Kapanadze and others have said and shown. Kapanadze, (not me) is who mentions about exciting the Aether. But, F6 only wants me to show him what kapanadze means by that. He needs me to show what has already been shown. So, I will make no reference to them again. If you want proof, be that proof. Don't expect it from me. I'm not here to waste my time discussing this subject to those that don't want to believe nor accept Tesla's ideas as fact, but call him wrong, as you know so much more, now.
   Is there something else that you don't agree with. As it seams that I need to confront these two guys here, just to say anything, about anything.
   Yes, the two guys that don't ever build anything, such as a free energy device, never have shown a working device, but have lots of discussion about what it is, and what it's not, as if they really know.
   How about some proof concerning the Aether from you two guys. For a change. As you seam to think that everything that I say is wrong. OR are you here to somehow disprove Tesla's ideas, just with your words, but think your unproven ideas about all this are what is correct.
   So, carry on guys...show us what you know and can DO concerning the subject of this thread. Otherwise, I'll leave you to your selves on this free energy forum. As it sure seams like neither of you two really know what you are saying, nor know anything at all about Tesla's Aether nor about free energy. Nor really know just what has been shown by kapandze, Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, and others, such as myself.
You've made your point. And I can now see why F6 gets kicked out of every forum that he has ever been to.
It's not because of your outstanding knowledge about free energy.
   As it seams that these two guys have no knowledge at all about free energy, and about the Aether, and what has been shown, and said about it, by those that do know.


   The link below is NOT OLD, 4.7kw. 
   Kapanadze  FREE ENERGY:  https://youtu.be/EH9VhcDZYKg

   As some people have eyes, but can't see... Yes, that means you two guys. Who come to a free energy forum, and post a thread about the AETHER, just to throw dirt of it. And pretend that you know so much more, than Tesla. But, you will never show anything at all. Just being naysayers, with out knowledge of free energy. While Tesla had over 700 patents, to inventions that he made. And ran his electric car for one week, up to 90 miles per hour, needing NO batteries. What have you ever made that works, F6? Not one thing?
   I would start a thread about this same subject, but, I'm not here to discuss with these guys and their negative opinions. I've had enough. They win. I would suspect that there is a troll or two disrupting things here. It would not surprise me.

     NickZ

Quote from: Grumage on 2022.08.18, 12:48:48
I have a video on YouTube about that, done several years ago now. My results were inconclusive and rather amusing as we forgot to note the acceleration times.   ;D

Cheers Grum.

   Thanks Grum:  It's nice to talk to someone that is here towards a positive end.
   If these anomalies allow for a self runner, that would be something to discuss.
   NickZ

Quote from: NickZ on 2022.08.18, 14:10:15
   Ok, so it seams that both AC as well as F6 do not agree with Tesla, and believe him to be wrong. Nor know what Kapanadze and others have said and shown.
...

Tesla, Kapanadze and others have never provided any free energy setup or proof of concept. Tesla has no such patents, and Kapanadze has black boxes in his patents, there are no credible reproductions of the effects he claims. Until proven otherwise, these effects exist only in the heads of those who believe in them.

It seems that Nickz prefers to talk about old stories that don't work and point us in the wrong direction. But it's not blah blah blah around urban legends that will make them reality. "Shake the ether", and without offering a single clue for a method, I still laugh.  ;D

QuoteAnd I can now see why F6 gets kicked out of every forum that he has ever been to.

Slanderous remark, not true. Out of some forums only. I am flattered but I remind the slanderers that this thread is dedicated to the ether, not to me.
Excommunication is the price to pay on some forums when criticizing the nuts who take Tesla for an omniscient God, and the false prophets who pretend to relay his Word for self-promotion. The way they talk about Tesla's work is an insult to his memory.

Tesla was a genius inventor, having mastered the electrical engineering of his time after learning it at university. The scientific community recognized him by taking his name as the unit for the magnetic field, although he remained a mediocre theorist who did not understand the advances in physics of his time, especially at the beginning of the 20th century when the 19th century ether was disqualified.

Then, the ether remained a hypothesis. People smarter than Tesla, like Einstein, Dirac or De Broglie, continued to invoke a new ether after the 19th century one was recognized as useless or incompatible with observations. But these new ethers, be it the one carrying the physical properties of space in Einstein's 1920 conception where he was moderating his own past statements against the ether, the one of De Broglie carrying his "matter waves", or the one of Dirac's, a quantum bath, were no longer claimed to be "luminiferous" like the one of the 19th century, Tesla's. Whether it is the old conception or the new one, this notion of ether never proved to be useful, so little that it was never taken up by the scientific community despite the fame of those who invoked it. Note that they simply invoked it, without ever integrating it into their equations.

At the very least, it is possible to invoke a new ether notion, provided that it is defined, but to invoke the one from the 19th century is really to have missed all the modern physics.

QuoteNickZ
Funny how you start a thread about this subject, yet seam to ignore and disbelieve its essence.
Then ask me to prove what is not provable, at this time. Like proving that God exist, or that you exist.
  I did mention the Kapanadze devices, and there is also Akula, Stalker, Ruslan,  Adrian Gustav, and others that you may not know.
  Are you aware of what they have shown, concerning Tesla ideas of harvesting from the surrounding ambient medium? As it does not seam like it. Or is this all about naysaying and calling me an idiot. Is that what you think of Tesla, also? All this is bla bla bla, to you.
But, not to worry, I won't waste any more of your time. I was hoping that there are others that may be helped by what I've said.
   Sorry to bore you AC. You can continue telling people how wrong they are, in your opinion. Yet, show no proof, as well...

When I said "On the Aether, I can take it or leave it and it doesn't mean much either way." I meant I think the Aether must exist because something cannot translate through nothing but I'm not going to force my beliefs on anyone. Believe or don't, I don't care and I like debating all the hard questions so I can learn from everyone. 

Be right or wrong, attack the person or not, argue the concept or not it makes little difference to me. I don't generally pick sides and I'm just here to try and promote constructive debate so I can learn and make progress. I this respect everyone helps me and I'm thankful for that.

Regards
AC

    So AC, are you saying that you don't care, one way or the other. as well.
    Is there something that you do care about?  Just asking...As you are taking sides, and telling people that they are "wrong".
    I will not waste more time, trying to bring something new into this thread. Just to be insulted by your sidekick F6. You two make a great team.
    It is obvious that neither of you two can accept what Tesla has mentioned. That is your choice. And that is also where this thread dies...
As neither of you can produce, a real self runner, and only disrupt what we are here for. Nor know anything at all about this subject, and it's relation to free energy.
    I have not told anyone to "shake" anything, it was what Kapanadze and others have mentioned, that the Aether needs to be "excited", in order see any response from the purpose of harvesting of the Aether. That is what it takes, to produce and extra gain, and is what has to happen, with all the different free energy devices that use the Aether as their fuel.  Of course that makes no sense to F6. It's obvious, that you don't know. And can only add negative and uninformed comments.
    Perhaps you should both study this subject, before commenting on it. Or don't, as you can take it, or leave it. But, then what is it that you are doing here? Perhaps it is better to "leave it", as you think that it does not exist, and are only pissing on Tesla, and his ideas, while telling people that they are wrong? And anyone else that has shown true free energy devices such as Kapanadze. In front of many people, many different times, that have confirmed with their measuring instruments, that there is no BS.
    So, continue on gents, without me. As I tried to explain "where the energy comes from" and it's relation to the Aether, and I only get shit on and insulted for even mentioning about the "shake" needed to observe an additional gain. It's obvious for me that I'm talking to the wrong people.
 
        NickZ

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2022.08.19, 19:19:46
...
I don't generally pick sides and I'm just here to try and promote constructive debate so I can learn and make progress. I this respect everyone helps me and I'm thankful for that.

Regards
AC

This is also the method I advocate for people of good will. If an ether can be defined, with its properties, to explain what would not be explained with the current theories, then it becomes necessary and we must adopt it, that is what I would do.

When you say that the ether seems to be indispensable as a medium, a vector of interactions through space, I see it as a hypothesis coming from common sense. It can however be misleading, but it can also bring promising new ideas, hence the necessary confrontation with facts to adopt it.

But to assert its existence a priori, asking others to "shake it" when nobody knows what it is, that is only a question of faith. And questions of faith are what make some people aggressive when theirs are challenged. They have not understood the difference between science and religion or politics, of which they believe themselves to be high priests, evoking imaginary mysteries that are beyond them and calling on their lost sheep to submit to their vain precepts.

    Guys: 
    Well, for all those that would like to hear a bit more about Tesla and his inventions. As it relates to the Aether, and free energy,
this video below, may add at bit more info to this thread. Of course, no one is going to give you ALL the information about free energy.
Nor how to make an energy weapon, nor any the secret information that is still secret.
Even this video was removed, for a while, and later reposted.
   Please start the video from the beginning, if you like.
   https://youtu.be/7yJnYCpboGU

   Warning, not for F6.

F6FLT
With respect to an Aether, in the Holcomb thread you touched on how it could work...

QuoteRegarding the possibility of overunity, Chung Hyun's configuration makes no more sense than Holcomb's.
Whether the field is variable and/or moving is the same thing. The "displacement" of a field is a view without physical reality. Increasing the field in one place while decreasing it in another gives the impression of displacement, in the same way that projecting a beam of light onto a wall by turning the projector. The light point seems to move along the wall.  In reality nothing moves along the wall, it is only the photons emitted from the rotating projector that hit the screen at one point, then another next to it, and so on.
For an electric or magnetic field, it is the same. A certain field is generated at a certain point in space from coils, and by playing with the currents, the same field is then generated at another point, close by, and so on giving the illusion that the field is moving.
Seen from a coil that recovers this flux, the only field it feels is that of the place where it is. It sees no displacement but a variable field, which is what it really is and only.

This is a common mistake many seem to make similar to the Michelson-Morley experiment falsely presuming an Aether would move. I found it kind of strange than anyone would presume an all encompassing medium fundamental to everything would somehow flow like water. So of course the experiment failed, it was literally designed to fail and was amateur at best.

We could think of it this way, everything we know and call tangible is a lie. It's less than 1% material and over 99% energy as supposed EM fields and the closer we look the less substance we find. As if it could possibly get any worse nobody has a clue what the Primary Fields( Electric, Magnetic, Gravic) are in reality. So far as science/physics is concerned were basically flying blind.

Here is another example of the lie almost everyone was taught about space, motion and our solar system...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU&t=64s
The helical model - our solar system is a vortex

Think about that, for millennia man watched the stars and plotted the positions and motions we know today. Everything was almost always depicted as a flat 2D drawing which is never how reality actually works, it's always 3D and motional. Here's a clue, ask someone to start drawing everything as it exists in 3D. It's always a train wreck because most cannot even draw and even if they could there perspective is severely flawed concerning any 3D space let alone any motion within it.

Now think about the picture of the standard transverse EM wave. It's a joke and is basically an artifact from our amateur measuring techniques. It's simply a flat 2D oscilloscope measurement with another measure interlaced at 90 degrees. I mean, nobody honestly believes this looks even remotely close to anything we would actually find in reality do they?. Well no, it looks like just like the analog signal we see on our screens not reality, lol.

So given all the lies, false depictions, false representations and gaping holes in our knowledge it's easy to understand why nobody can seem to understand an Aether or free energy.

Regards
AC

   Current science proponents must think that we are all clueless, and so, they will teach us how it all began with one Big Bang. Still taught in school.
And SCIENCE is still playing that BS game, today. Yet, do we believe it? That this theory is called science??? And is the basis for our understanding.
OR is it...
   Yet, you will not hear anything about the Aether, nor about Tesla in school, or about free energy devices, it's even more illusive than the Big Bang.
But, science does not believe in Free Energy. Remember, they tell us that there IS NO SUCH THING. Only solar panels, hydro electric generator systems, wind generators, and such. But, nothing about harvesting the Aether, nor about tapping into free energy from this unlimited source, from the surrounding ambient.
   Which version of "science" do you chose?

   NickZ
   

I am familiar with the challenge to the Michelson-Morley experiment.
Even if it did not demonstrate the absence of ether, it demonstrates that we can do without it.
The invalidation does not have to be demanded, but the existence of ether has to be demonstrated in order to talk about it and define it, and this is not the case. It is not enough to criticize the current model, which is working.

You won't fool me with the inversion of the burden of proof.  ;)

Assuming for minute that there is a "medium" all around us.

What can we do with it?

Can we shake it? How and what does that do?

Can we rotate it? How and what does that do?

F6FLT

QuoteI am familiar with the challenge to the Michelson-Morley experiment.
Even if it did not demonstrate the absence of ether, it demonstrates that we can do without it.
The invalidation does not have to be demanded, but the existence of ether has to be demonstrated in order to talk about it and define it, and this is not the case. It is not enough to criticize the current model, which is working.

If by working you mean cheating the system by making constants like space and time variable then I suppose it works. However if they can make space and time variable then I can make inertia variable by the same reasoning and we can do without them. We could then ask the question, if inertia is variable making apparent time/mass variable then something external could have caused this change in properties. Otherwise were left with the notion that something has acted on itself which is problematic in itself.

You see, I can deny your theories using the same kind of reasoning your using to deny mine. Of course, the usual response is to say one theory is more popular than another however we all know how that works from our history. Popularity was never a good measure of anything other than popularity...

I like Feynman's take on our dilemma...

Quote"Scientific knowledge is a body of statements of varying degrees of certainty — some most unsure, some nearly sure, but none absolutely certain."
"Have no respect whatsoever for authority; forget who said it and instead look what he starts with, where he ends up, and ask yourself, 'Is it reasonable?'"
"That is the principle of science. If there is an exception to any rule, and if it can be proved by observation, that rule is wrong."

In fact our dilemma is the same as the one associated with a FE device. As I once told a friend, I could make up any kind of nonsense as to how my device works and they wouldn't know the difference. You wouldn't know anymore than them because whatever does happen is hidden behind a magnetic field change. The field changes more for reasons they cannot understand and there primitive measuring devices gives them no insight into how this could happen so they guess. Sometimes it's space-time, neutrinos, electron spin in iron, cosmic radiation or any number of things. In effect they don't know for the same reasons you don't know and nothing can be absolutely certain more so on the levels were speaking of.

I think we share a similar train of thought and reasoning however I like to take it much further. I want to know what the person/being was thinking in the UFO I observed pulling 100+ G's and accelerating to 60,000+ mph in a 1/2 second as it left out atmosphere. As you can probably imagine that's a tough act to follow...

Regards
AC

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.20, 23:35:28
Assuming for minute that there is a "medium" all around us.

What can we do with it?

Can we shake it? How and what does that do?

Can we rotate it? How and what does that do?

If the medium is shakeable, it can be shaken.
If the medium is rotatable, it can be rotated.

Same question: assuming there are "pink unicorns" all around us. What can we do with them?
If the pink unicorn is rideable, we can use it as a horse.
If the pink unicorn is powerful, it can pull the plow.

Same question : let's assume that angels exist. What is their sex?...

It's amazing how far we have come in understanding the universe!  ;D

The properties of an object can only be derived from its observation. If you assume the existence of an object before observing it, you can assume anything and everything about it, it's not even science fiction, it's esoteric verbiage.

Some period literature on Lorentz' aether model:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_ether_theory

   Guys:
   What can we do with it, the Aether?
   How about to just to live with it, like you do with your soul. You can't live without it, yet you will never prove it, nor disprove it.
However, as we live in a multi dimensional world. Not everything can be seen, nor directly proven. Since some of you may not believe anything that I say, I recommend that you read up on Tesla, and his ideas, tests and inventions on free energy harvesting from the Aether. Such as his electric car.
   
   But, the point on this thread is, to make use able electricity from this invisible Aether. That is what we are all here for. Remember...
Except for those that have decided, they don't need it. So, keep paying your bills. I don't pay electric bills, so "I don't need it" as well, as my electricity cost me nothing. But, I still want it though, that is, the knowledge to be able to harvest from it. So, I will continue to study and work towards that end. As I have by building replications of self runners for the last several years. Along with other people like Itsu, Geofusion, and others. Those that are interested in what I've built, can look for it on you tube under my name, Nick Zec.
As that IS where the energy comes from. IF you care to know, and would like to have a free energy device. And if not, no skin off of my nose.
   Of course, I am not forcing my views on any one, at all. As I know that this knowledge will come to us, sooner, or later.
    Below, is an image of my version of the Ruslan/Stalker self runner replication. I put it here for more insulting comments about it. So, you can throw dirt on it, like Akula said about his device, and what people thought of it.

   The exciting (or pulsing) of this Aether is done with devices. Such the one that I am showing below. I have posted a link as an example of what Kapanadze has said and done, concerning that necessary "shake". He was the originator of this means of pulsing the surrounding Aether, to achieve several self running devices, shown running and producing up to 4.7kw, with NO INPUT source.
Shown here: https://youtu.be/EH9VhcDZYKg
   I doubt that anyone has studied nor been able to replicate TK's work here, as it is secret, still. And he may just die with the knowledge, like some others, have done. Of course, probably nobody saw the YT link to his latest device that I previously posted, a 4.7kw device producing free energy, and much less, have taken the time to view it. He mentioned that these devices are built from Tesla's ideas, and that they use the Aether as their fuel.
   If you think that there is no need for an Aether, (99 percent of "empty" space), good thing that YOU don't need it, but, I do...
   I'm not here to convince any one, I'm here to WORK on all of this, with any one that's interested. Not with naysayers.
   
   NickZ

Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.08.21, 09:32:32
If the medium is shakeable, it can be shaken.
If the medium is rotatable, it can be rotated.

Same question: assuming there are "pink unicorns" all around us. What can we do with them?
If the pink unicorn is rideable, we can use it as a horse.
If the pink unicorn is powerful, it can pull the plow.

Same question : let's assume that angels exist. What is their sex?...

It's amazing how far we have come in understanding the universe!  ;D

The properties of an object can only be derived from its observation. If you assume the existence of an object before observing it, you can assume anything and everything about it, it's not even science fiction, it's esoteric verbiage.

What of Maxwell's displacement current?  Is that still a pink unicorn?
What of the James Webb Telescope?  Was there no reason to build it, since we could see no further into space with the telescopes we already have?

Grumpy

QuoteAssuming for minute that there is a "medium" all around us.
What can we do with it?
Can we shake it? How and what does that do?
Can we rotate it? How and what does that do?

The notion of an Aether as it applies to us today isn't so much about what we could do with it but what it is conceptually...

For example, many in the past thought air was nothing because they couldn't measure or grab hold of it. Then they learned moving air (wind) could apply a force on a sail to move boats or turn a windmill. Much later they learned very fast moving air could be rendered rigid and used to apply a force to lift something called an air-craft. In effect we are similar to the cavemen of the past wondering what good the strange medium called air was.

You see man didn't learn to fly, there is no such thing as flying in physics, it's absurd. We learned to apply a force against a medium to counteract another force called gravity so we could move through said medium. In the same way we will learn to grab hold of or apply a force against the medium in space we call the Aether and no longer need silly propellers beating at the air or rockets belching flames. The leap in technology will be magnitudes greater than any other discovery we have made in the field of propulsion.

Here's a clue, SM's TPU was a solid state electrical device said to have inertial effects because of the process involved. That is, the device appeared to resist an acceleration more when turned on than when off. Thus we could mount two TPU's onto two counter-rotating disks and turn them on during 180 degrees and then off the other 180 degrees producing a unidirectional propulsive force. Here we need to be clear this is an inertia based force where the inertia of an object changes but we still don't know what inertia is. What we could assume is that the laws of action and reaction still apply thus what we see as a change in inertia is a change in the interaction of the medium the object is immersed in... an Aether.

Thus we come full circle back to the question of what good an Aether would be...

As usual everyone has this concept of the Aether and energy completely backwards and it's not only a matter of motion but also a lack of it. Now imagine were on Earth which is actually moving at near 1.3 million mph through space and we attach a craft to a rigid point in space. This is equivalent to riding on a high speed train and throwing an anchor out the window attached to our waist. The train keeps on moving at high speed and we come to a very abrupt halt. However the people on the Earth/train would see us moving away from them at a very high speed even though we are the one's not moving anywhere, they are. As well, it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if our anchor was attached to a generator then the difference between the motion of something and any fixed point in space could generate a great deal of energy. So once again we can see almost everyone has the Aether concept completely backwards and if everything is already in motion then any truly fixed point in space represents energy. Energy is not something, it is the difference or change in motion between any two or more things.

Regards
AC

   Perhaps the idea is that there is more to "thin air", than just thin air. Dr Stiffler would say, yes. Who, was Dr. Stiffler you say?
   We need to see how fields have something to do with all this. Field are what we need to harvest from, not the material objects like coal, wood, gas and oil. These unsean fields are where free energy lies.
  Some guys need proof or want see some proof. Proof, of that idea. Which is what guys like Kapanadze, and several others have shown. And no one else, or so it seams. However the actual "cosmic soup", can't be sean nor measured. Sorry F6. But, it's effects can be sean and reproduced. Don't get me wrong, this is not an easy and simple process. Or we would not need to be discussing it,, like we are.
   Reminds me of the other similar question, are we alone. And can you prove it...

   NickZ

Quote from: NickZ on 2022.08.21, 13:40:28
   Guys:
   What can we do with it, the Aether?
   How about to just live with it, like you do with your soul. You can't live without it, yet you will never prove it, nor disprove it.
However, as we live in a multi dimensional world. Not everything can be seen, nor directly proven. Since some of you may not believe anything that I say, I recommend that you read up on Tesla, and his ideas, tests and inventions on free energy harvesting from the Aether. Such as his electric car.
   
   But, the point on this thread is, to make use able electricity from this invisible Aether. That is what we are all here for. Remember...
Except for those that have decided, they don't need it. So, keep paying your bills. I don't pay electric bills, so "I don't need it" as well, as my electricity cost me nothing. But, I still want it though, that is, the knowledge to be able to harvest from it. So, I will continue to study and work towards that end. As I have by building replications of self runners for the last several years. Along with other people like Itsu, Geofusion, Apecore, Tomtech, and several others. Those that are interested in what I've built, as well as the other guys mentioned, can look for it on you tube under my name, Nick Zec. IF you care to know, and would like to have or build a free energy device, remember, this still in experimental stages, at this time.
    I know that this knowledge will come to us, sooner, or later

    Below, is an image of my version of the Ruslan/Stalker self runner replication. I put it here for more insulting comments about it. So, you can throw dirt on it, like Akula said about his device, and what people thought of it.

   The exciting (or pulsing) of this Aether is done with devices. Such the one that I am showing below. I have posted a link as an example of what Kapanadze has said and done, concerning that necessary "shake". He was the originator of this means of pulsing the surrounding Aether, to achieve several self running devices, shown running and producing up to 4.7kw, with NO INPUT source.
Shown here: https://youtu.be/EH9VhcDZYKg
   I doubt that anyone has studied nor been able to replicate TK's work here, as it is secret, still. And he may just die with the knowledge, like some others, have done. Of course, probably nobody saw the YT link to his latest device that I previously posted, a 4.7kw device producing free energy, and much less, have taken the time viewed it. He mentioned that these devices are built from Tesla's ideas, and that they use the Aether as their fuel.
   If you think that there is no need for an Aether, (99 percent of "empty" space), good thing that YOU don't need it, but, I do...
   I'm not here to convince any one, I'm here to WORK on all of this, with any one that's interested. Not with naysayers.
   
   NickZ

Nice thing about thin air - if you're an antenna guy at least - is the impedance is about 377 ohms.
Design your antenna so it matches close to that 377 ohms and you get very little reflection loss!

:)

Quote from: solarlab on 2022.08.21, 19:35:40
Nice thing about thin air - if you're an antenna guy at least - is the impedance is about 377 ohms.
Design your antenna so it matches close to that 377 ohms and you get very little reflection loss!



   SL: Thanks.
   However what I have seen as far as harvesting energy by antenna from thin air, is that they only produce milli watts. Not KW.
   Kapanadze has shown producing 100kw. On some of his earlier devices. I have not seen that from guys with antennas.
   So, I venture to say that Kapanadze has shown a much higher output than has been shown by just using antennas, and capacitors.

   NickZ
   

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.21, 15:57:53
What of Maxwell's displacement current?  Is that still a pink unicorn?
What of the James Webb Telescope?  Was there no reason to build it, since we could see no further into space with the telescopes we already have?

   Grumpy: Good question about the James Web telescope.
The mirror on it is twice as big as the Hubble, and so it's resolution can be better and clearer than the previous one.
I also understand that like the Hubble it may also have weapons tech on board. Better and improved over the Hubble.
Perhaps that is the real reason that it was built, and it is also much further away in space, from man made influences, as well.

So, how does Kapanadze's device work?

How are his coils wound?

How does he drive the coils?

Until we know these things, Kapanadze might as well be using pixie dust.

   Sorry Grumpy, but I've made over 5000 post here and on overunity.com about this subject, and several videos of my tests.
  I don't feel that I want to repeat myself again and again.

   However, there are two circuits to these devices, a magnetic lower voltage push pull pulse circuit, and a Tesla coil type HV HF pulse  circuit. The two different frequencies and circuits are combined together on tuned coils using capacitors to tune for specific resonance points, which contributes to the pulling and harvesting of additional, or extra energy (Aether) from the surrounding ambient. That is the idea, in short.
  That is where we are at with this now, and needing further tests to continue in. This is a work in progress, not easy and not cheap to work on. Requiring much time,  not to mention the costs involved. Yet, I know of no better project to work on, for now.
   NickZ

  Double post delited

Guy's I have been going over some of this data on the Dally device and some of the other similar devices that are said to work
mainly photographic screen shots most of the devices published in the west are vastly different how they are said to operate
one screen shot from further back in this thread boasts of a single burst shot at the peak of sine wave while some other shots found on both this website and some Russian speaking threads show a number of screen shots filling each entire wave with rf modulation with a small dead zone between each half of the sine wave or in some cases a squarish wave.

I'm referring to thr push pull leak off feeding the RF shaping circuits, I was wondering if any one has done any experiments on this phenomena or hypothesis ?
please feel free to comment.

Regards Sil

Quote from: NickZ on 2022.08.21, 22:10:40
   Sorry Grumpy, but I've made over 5000 post here and on overunity.com about this subject, and several videos of my tests.
  I don't feel that I want to repeat myself again and again.

   However, there are two circuits to these devices, a magnetic lower voltage push pull pulse circuit, and a Tesla coil type HV HF pulse  circuit. The two different frequencies and circuits are combined together on tuned coils using capacitors to tune for specific resonance points, which contributes to the pulling and harvesting of additional, or extra energy (Aether) from the surrounding ambient. That is the idea, in short.
  That is where we are at with this now, and needing further tests to continue in. This is a work in progress, not easy and not cheap to work on. Requiring much time,  not to mention the costs involved. Yet, I know of no better project to work on, for now.
   NickZ

So, you don't really know how Kapanadze's coil works.  None of Tesla's pulse circuits were HV HF.
So much money and time is required, yet Kapanadze had barely enough to eat.  MY guess is someone told him how to do it, and he tried to get rich.
Oh, and Kapanadze's coils are very homemade and I doubt they are tuned for anything like a normal resonance, more for "greatest output".

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.21, 20:18:33
So, how does Kapanadze's device work?

How are his coils wound?

How does he drive the coils?

Until we know these things, Kapanadze might as well be using pixie dust.

Grumpy - FYI,

A topic simply called Documentation contains some information regarding the theory and operation of the Kapanadze/Ruslan Generators starts at:

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.msg93062#msg93062 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.msg93062#msg93062)

Summarized operation/theory with a preliminary tested postulation of How/Where the Energy comes from is here:

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.msg96060#msg96060 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.msg96060#msg96060) and here
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.msg96061#msg96061 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.msg96061#msg96061)

NOTE: During testing the Ruslan Device continually showed erratic behavour and failures. It was discovered that this instability seemed to
correlate with the changes in atmospheric conditions - primarily approaching lightning storms (as you know, the earth's electric field reverses polarity
in and around thunderstorm activity).

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.msg96062#msg96062 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.msg96062#msg96062)
Summary: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.msg96356#msg96356 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.msg96356#msg96356)

It was preliminarily concluded this might be a (related) cause of the Ruslan Generator instability.  Work was suspended at that point and a "work-around"
has yet to be found by anyone, as far as I know anyway.

The related OUR thread was closed before any real completion of the Ruslan device simulation results could be posted, many of the posts were deleted
and I was banned - so further analysis or observations did not appear in OUR.


The workaround is still ongoing in the lab, however its a "back burner" task at the present time. New advances in sensing and Microcomputer performance
are being evaluated for use in a "pre-distortion" type of fix for the Ruslan device.

SL

Simple question:

Why does the cable pass through the center of the coil?

I don't recall - would have to review the simulations; probe the wire and plot it...
There's a lot of complex stuff happening in, and around, this device.

Where would you put the wire? Through the center of the TT/Kacher coil?
Around the outside near the HV (so called) Antenna? Winding starts at one end
and finishes at the other.

The info was FYI - that's it.

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.22, 01:36:35
Simple question:

Why does the cable pass through the center of the coil?

   Grumpy:
   That is the way that the "grenade coil" was designed. Not sure if it is entirely necessary to be that way, or not. But those two cables only go through the grenade part of the coil, not through the Kacher secondary coil.
Perhaps it is ment to add something to the combining of the two frequencies. As one of the two cables are further Earth Grounded. 
   I did not work on the Kapanadze device as it is still secret. But, I did spend some years working on the Ruslan//Stalker devices, instead. And can explain how they are supposed to work. As there is much information there, but something may still be left out.
   The Kapanadze grenade may not have the same number of windings and clock wise and counterclock wise turns. As the Akula or Ruslan devices have. Cancelling the normal induction. Many types of grenade coils have been tried. Stalker built 25 different grenade coils, to find one that worked. The grenade can be further tuned for higher output by placing ferrite rods or bars inside of the grenade former tube. But I found this also caused additional heating of the coils, as well as heating of the whole device. Enough to bend the plastic grenade former tube. So, ferrite is not used by me anymore. The ferrite yoke core can also be tuned by placing magnetite magnets on the yoke coils, or inside the yoke. The yoke is the power house, and heart of this contraption.
The push pull circuit is the magnetic part of the device, and its electric output is non shocking. That is one thing I really like about magnetic type of current, no shocks. But, once the HV Tesla coil circuit is also turned on, then you will get shocked to kingdom come.

   NickZ

Your asking how does it supposed to work, well there are two types of electricity both Tesla and Dollard refereed to it
one uses a wave where the electrons wast time dancing up and down and the other a direct punch effect that could be faster than light it self.

Some time ago Dolamorto  posted a short description on one of Wesleys threads with a shot description and circuit
diagram, and circuit brief theory of operation you would need to search for it, try Dally thread.
Basically both the Tesla coil and the Grenade have to be the same frequency, as your doing an TX & RX to pick up
static But your not modulating any thing as Geo showed in his vids, until he modulated the output driver probably at
quarter wave to create a spin that way it would be in sync (starting at the same place in the modulated window, like a spinning arrow or other projectile.

The other thing is do you remember the Forester Travis Walton who went to investigated the bright lite in the trees?
well this type of wave almost destroyed his nervous system, find his interview on the subject, before you experiment
might be a good idea.

Sil

Solarlab
Quote
The related OUR thread was closed before any real completion of the Ruslan device simulation results could be posted, many of the posts were deleted
and I was banned - so further analysis or observations did not appear in OUR
End quote
Sir
"Banned"?
Are you saying an administrator banned you from this forum?

Or one of members with a moderated topic here removed your content from his/her thread ?


Banning seems the wrong word .. ?
Many times I wrote to you in PM's and even on threads that you should have your info in a separate moderated topic
Where you are the moderator,
Both here and at Stefan's forum !

Instead you write of data loss and bannings at other members moderated  topics ??
Not sure how this works towards preserving your open source contributions ,
Or making it easy for replicators to follow your work ?

Respectfully
Chet K

  SolarLab:
   It was AlienGrey that remove the thread about the Akula/Ruslan devices discussions and replications. You may have been moderated, but not banned. As he is the moderator of that thread, and may think that you or others are not contributing anything in a positive way.
   I think that he just got tired of dealing with certain people. Unfortunately he has never built such a device, nor probably never will. That's ok. But, one of the problems with moderators that don't really know about what they talking about, like Wesley, is that disinformation is created. Like in AG's his last post, pointing people to Delamorto's devices. None of which are OU, nor free energy. So, why lead us (again) on a wild goose chase???  And is why he get so much negative posts. I came here to get away from people like that. And find that he is here now, as well.
   
   Anyway, SL you are here and posting again, and the other thread does not exist. I also don't like to have to deal with some guys that cause a lot of negative discussion, and they can also be very insulting, and waste our time. We are not here for that, and it can cause the closing of a thread, or moderation of members. Nor are we here to hear about disinformation. That is why I restarted the RANT thread at OU.com. As there is no moderator there (I think) to delete and remove posts nor people. Like Wesley has done to me for asking for proof that the transmission of Zenneck waves for over a mile distance away, are what Kapanadze used to fool people, like in his lake video. And repeating that for years, while showing absolutely no proof. That to me is disinformation, at its best.
  So, solarlab, try to be a little nicer, and respectful, along with F6 that seams to have some issues, of insulting people, over and over again. Like me.

   NickZ
   
   

A Couple of Technical Points (small peace offering to close out my interaction here)

Attached are two (2) PDFs that have never appeard here but might be of interest or value.

First is a look at surface electron behaviour in a high voltage environment and the possible
relation to the Grenade Coil.

Second is a Vizmuller patent regarding a "folded-back helical coil" used to form a filter. Only
one portion of the helical is folded in the patent, however several sections could also be folded
(wavelength related as in the Grenade) to further effect the filter performance. A close study
of the grenade shows this might be some of the reasoning behind the coil's design.

As I type this - I question why I even bother posting anymore???
None of this seems to ever go anywhere here!
No one has even attempted replicating the simple LinGen; or even commented...

SL

Quote from: solarlab on 2022.08.22, 21:35:57
A Couple of Technical Points (small peace offering to close out my interaction here)

Attached are two (2) PDFs that have never appeard here but might be of interest or value.

First is a look at surface electron behaviour in a high voltage environment and the possible
relation to the Grenade Coil.

Second is a Vizmuller patent regarding a "folded-back helical coil" used to form a filter. Only
one portion of the helical is folded in the patent, however several sections could also be folded
(wavelength related as in the Grenade) to further effect the filter performance. A close study
of the grenade shows this might be some of the reasoning behind the coil's design.

As I type this - I question why I even bother posting anymore???
None of this seems to ever go anywhere here!
No one has even attempted replicating the simple LinGen; or even commented...

SL

I don't see how surface currents of any type could be a mechanism for gain.  This is usually the best question to ask an inventor or experimenter.  It cuts straight to the point and past the BS.  "I don't know" is the best answer but we rarely hear that.  Instead we get some buzz words, and misplaced terminology.

Another good question is how is the current induced, but that's another discussion.

While the helical coil resonator patent looks similar to Kap's coil, I seriously doubt Kap's coil uses a helical resonator, or that the coil is a filter.  Kap's coil is probably very simple and uses a form of induction that isn't common knowledge. The wire through the center of the coil has a specific reason for being there.

As for the LinGen, I wouldn't bother attempting to build it without more information on how it is supposed to work.  Even then, it appears very expensive and Kap's coil looked very inexpensive.  I'm busy with a couple of other promising projects at this time, so other devices are just curiosities.

I'll throw out a peace offering of my own to thank you for yours:

There is no current without charge separation.

Yes well I can't say i'm encouraged by down turn attitudes and comments unless that person has experimented and proved
one way or another either how a section of a device it's expected to work or has proved categorically that it has no chance and why I wouldn't say I have no idea about electronics  and i'm learning all the time, we all should be, rather than expecting a guru of some sort to just plonk a working device on the thread, any thing is possible the American junta has proved that since 1947 with it's patents.

I'm afraid none of the published circuits work as is, it's like getting on a bus  you have to find your own way once you get off or completely missed your stop!

Sil

"I don't see how surface currents of any type could be a mechanism for gain"

Here's a couple of key words to use in your search to discover how/why it works:

Field Electron Emission - Work Function - 1928 PRSL Fowler Nordheim electron field emission - or

YT - What is FIELD ELECTRON EMISSION what does FIELD ELECTRON EMISSION mean - Top 10 Demos With the Plasma Globe!

General: TWT theory, Particle Accelerator theory and operation

Pretty simple actually...

Almost forgot - carefully review all the material I've posted on the Holcomb device a.k.a LinGen and I'm pretty sure you'll get it.

I used to work with TWT's decades ago, no OU there...

Even with free electrons, you need a means to move them, to separate them.

"Gain" is a separate thing altogether. For that you need a way to "magnify" energy that uses less than it produces, otherwise it's just amplification.

Nothing you have mentioned so far is able to "magnify" energy.

Steven Mark (TPU) knew about it.  He even said it was the "secret".  He never explained more than that though.

Pretty simple actually...

TWT theory is there - combine that with Kapanadze/Ruslan devices and BINGO!

(cold cathode Electron Emission - e source - HV {mv²} gain)

Yea - pretty simple!

It's crazy how many overunity specialists tell us how to get free energy, without ever showing us a proof of concept with a device they have built. Some don't build anything, others are competent but not in FE, they build setups with beautiful red and blue coils but we don't see any particular effect.

Some put Tesla everywhere, others want us to shake ether or other fairy dust, others want us to combine machines that for 10 years have never worked although it is rumored that each one separately is FE, and on ou.com we can't count anymore, so numerous are they, the threads of hucksters who claim to reveal the "secrets" of so-and-so.

My suggestion of the day is that those who do this don't know any more than you do, probably much less. Listening to them is a waste of time. The method that works is not to believe the boastful babble of ignorant prophets, but to verify the claimed facts, make falsifiable logical hypotheses so that we can discuss them, and test our own ideas.

   Well, we can see that the naysayer is the guy that knows it all about free energy, trying to convince us that only his negative disinformed comments are what we are here to discuss. As he has many empty claims about something that he obviously knows nothing about, claims but no proof, just more and more negative bullshit. As well as his constant  insults to any one here, that is showing and discussing what these threads are about. I would think of him as a troll, only here to disrupt, and get paid for it. And to snitch on anyone that comes forth with a working device, that proves that there is an ambient source to run this world, as Tesla said repeatedly said. Otherwise is he doing all this for fun? Some fun..
But, Not one positive comment coming out of his vast knowledge.

So, why don't you start your own thread F6 about your misinformation. And spare us your broken record.
   If I were the moderator here you buddy would have been long gone, as you have said the same thing too many times, and we've heard it all again and again,  and now you are just here to disrupt, as you won't ever  do or show any "proof"  ever. Of what you "suggest" we should do. No one is going to show nor discuss anything with you. If you have not noticed yet. At least not me.
So "my suggestion" is, go bark up another thread.

   NickZ

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.23, 03:37:55
I used to work with TWT's decades ago, no OU there...

Even with free electrons, you need a means to move them, to separate them.

"Gain" is a separate thing altogether. For that you need a way to "magnify" energy that uses less than it produces, otherwise it's just amplification.

Nothing you have mentioned so far is able to "magnify" energy.

Steven Mark (TPU) knew about it.  He even said it was the "secret".  He never explained more than that though.

Pretty simple actually...

   Grumpy: Gain is what this is all about.  And one would think that after seeing inventors and thieir devices concerning free energy,
From before, because now today no one is going to be showing anything that works, for free. Am I wrong???

Why do you argue on such a simple topic. Ether is Earth magnetic field and it contains energy from Sun and other cosmic sources trapped as a white noise. This energy accumulates till thunder balance it. The process of tapping this energy require ineraction with Earth field and probably using excess energy obtained to run electrons on surface of conductors. The main problem is that each power source  influence only it's own electrons. You cannot use human made power to speed up electrons generated by Earth.

  The process of extracting use able energy from the surrounding immediate ambient source, is not a simple process, nor topic. As it's what can be done with it, that counts for us interested in free energy.
   Perhaps you can show how it can be done. As this is such a simple topic.
   I'm all ears...
   NickZ

Quote from: NickZ on 2022.08.23, 14:56:04
   Well, we can see that the naysayer is the guy that knows it all about free energy, trying to convince us that only his negative disinformed comments are what we are here to discuss. As he has many empty claims about something that he obviously knows nothing about, claims but no proof, just more and more negative bullshit. As well as his constant  insults to any one here, that is showing and discussing what these threads are about. I would think of him as a troll, only here to disrupt, and get paid for it. And to snitch on anyone that comes forth with a working device, that proves that there is an ambient source to run this world, as Tesla said repeatedly said. Otherwise is he doing all this for fun? Some fun..
But, Not one positive comment coming out of his vast knowledge.

So, why don't you start your own thread F6 about your misinformation. And spare us your broken record.
   If I were the moderator here you buddy would have been long gone, as you have said the same thing too many times, and we've heard it all again and again,  and now you are just here to disrupt, as you won't ever  do or show any "proof"  ever. Of what you "suggest" we should do. No one is going to show nor discuss anything with you. If you have not noticed yet. At least not me.
So "my suggestion" is, go bark up another thread.

   NickZ

When I talk about the boastful babble of ignorant prophets and hucksters of FE, Nickz insults and slanders me.
Does he feel guilty or is he afraid of being exposed? If he is neither an ignorant prophet nor a huckster, he should not be offended.
If moderators are to be called in, it is to eliminate the boastful babble and lies of ignorant prophets and hucksters, which defile our domain and threads.

NickZ,

OT - but do you have your Ruslan/Kapnadze/Stalker type device still intact (or near so)?

SL

    Guys:. I've had enough. I'll be back when there is something to discuss.
   Listen to F6 he hold all the keys all the knowledge we need. Plus he needs the money,
   
   NickZ

Who or what is F6 about.

F6 has a low tolerance for claims without support. I you reply with valid scientific arguments, then the beast is calmed.

He is well-versed in electronics and electrical theory and practice.

I \f one were to disclose a working energy device, I would want his analysis and comments about it.

Many may take his comments personally as attacks, but he is often correct about his conclusions.

Who really knows how a supposed OU device works?
Who further can build it? 
Who can perform accurate tests and experiments to conclude it's properties and parameters?

F6 is grounded, firmly to the Earth. Ignore him if you don't like his point of view.

   C.C

@Grumpy

Your answer is quite appropriate, the "beast" thank you.    :)

When you provide us with documentation, it is usually serious material, well focused, exactly in the subject, I have often noticed, a sign of relevance of analysis and willingness to understand the debate. As well as experimentation, it is trustworthy and useful to progress. This is the approach of the majority of participants here, I think, I try to be there too. It is the opposite of the delusions of the egomaniac nuts, very few in number but conspicuous, flooding any thread with the same indistinct nonsense whatever the subject.

Yes all thease colourfull metofores and short term contradictions are both confusing and amusing, if only this or that happens C.C
its all basic psycological iritation and fogging

Nick has a completed original device and a bouble beam scope with that type of device I need to know and see if his push piull output
is in sync with his katcher driver, how he gets is is also importand but I need to see if he has sync or resonance between both oscilaters ie
that the data window is in exactly the corect place and that the hf rise time is at the start of the window and finishes when the window closes.

Unless we test things out nothing will ever happen,.

Sil

What does this have to do with science and the ether?
Does his device shake the ether as he asks others to do?

   AG:
   I guess that the many videos I've posted on YT were not enough for you? Is that just too easy?
   I have many many times mentioned what my device is running at. I've also shown scope shots of it running, on my videos. IF you watch them.
Also Itsu has, as well. He has tried many frequency matches, yet has produced much less actual output, than what I show, while lighting 3 200 bulbs, partially. Same with Geo, apecore, and others.

   Ok, one more time...  My magnetic induction circuit runs at around 18KHz, while the Kacher runs at around 1MHz. So, not the same nor are they ever the "same" for any of the self runners of this type. Nor is the Kacher supposed to run at 18KHz, like the induction circuit does. Which would make them the same frequency.
   Why does this matter to someone that will never build anything?  And why do I have to repeat myself to you so many times?
Please check my videos, where all that is explained. Or is your memory failing you?
   Each and every self runner shown by the different replications, run at different frequencies, all of them are different from one another, as well. And, NONE of them run at a matched frequency, that you think they  should. My device is a TopRuslan 7/Stalker replication, not Delamortos nor any other device that you come up with that has nothing to do with what we are doing.
  I have shared a lot of information here, which others may not know. I'm not here to argue, nor waste time. If you don't care to have me share any more information, just let me know. But, I'm not here to be insulted, everyday. And can delete all my posts if needed.

   NickZ

   BTW: F6 this is not anything that would interest you, sir.  And you also seam to have a very bad memory problem, as well, as some other personal problems concerning respect of the members here. Therefore, I will "ignore" you, nor answer you ever again.
   If you are not a TROLL, you certainly act like one. And, I don't talk to trolls, nor trust them, who are here for no useful purpose. 
   IF you continue disrupting this thread, you may find it to be one more forum, that adds to all the others that you got banned from.

F6 is well versed in relativity theory and on my Marinov Generator thread he said

QuoteSpecial relativity is not new to me, but its use in electromagnetism, yes. I am trying to familiarize myself, and I regret that electromagnetism was not taught to me on this basis, it is really elegant, complete and uncompromising.

.  In that respect his perception of the workings of the universe does not need an aether.  Although I don't agree with him on this I do respect his view, and the disagreement could simply be an interpretation of what is meant by the word "aether".  I would say that the 4 dimensional space within which relativity formula reign supreme is an aether. 

When I look at the night sky and find the constellation Orion, I see the star Betelgeuse on Orion's shoulder that is visibly more red than the others (my physics teacher jokingly referred to it as beetle-juice).  I then realize that atomic oscillators some 640 light years away are at that moment having an effect on the atomic oscillators in the retina of my eye, and it's a sobering thought that such action at a distance is possible.  Distant matter is populating our local space with photons, so I have no difficulty in imagining it populating our space with other virtual particles.  Then all the wonders of our modern physics like Heisenberg uncertainty can be explained simply by interaction between our mass particles with that seething, active, non-empty space.

   Smudge:
   Thanks for your comments. If the relativity theory is what interests you, and others, you should cover that on a relativity theory, thread.
   This thread on this overunity forum is about the Aether, and how is relates to science, not relativity theory, but, Aether theory, instead.
And the free energy devices that are said to tap into this source of energy, the Aether, are the proof of such possibilities.
Can you accept that?

   The same people that came up with the Big Bang, are the ones that believe and give credence to relativity theories. I don't care nor accept a science which says, that there is no such thing as free energy, and that everything came from nothing, in one big bang. As I am here for OU, and self running devices.
   I have explained and shown kapanadze device, as well as my own. And I've mentioned concerning some of the things needed for a free energy devices. And, what Tesla has mentioned about the Aether, as being the source of all, and how to tap it. And I get shit on, and insulted, everyday, here.
IF that is the kind of person that you would like to have here, then, so be it. That is your choice. I see him as a disruption, as I've already mentioned.
  The Dally Akula Ruslan thread was ended due to these same disruptions, and off topic BS. Just ask AG, as that was what he did, deleted and ended a most important thread, under this exact type of issues. And it has now gotten to the point where it's now just the same here, as well.
   
   NickZ

Nick thank you for your prompt reply i appreciate that, however what you are telling me isn't what i'm asking and doesn't help

I have built a few test devices such as sections one very much like yours and one like the Alexee Sergey some similar with digital katcher drive but different frequency to yours.

Re Delamorto's, I haven't built any sections of his circuits, but never the less he is a respected guy in this field.

Any way if you don't reply I wont bother as it off on a different track and I need the space
for other useful things like Solar panels and the like.

Regards Sil

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2022.08.24, 15:37:03
Nick thank you for your prompt reply i appreciate that, however what you are telling me isn't what i'm asking and doesn't help

I have built a few test devices one very much like yours and one like the Alexee Sergey similar gain with digital katcher drive a device and like you say different frequency to yours, respectfully what i'm asking is this, your telling me your push pull is generating an 18khz window with a Katcher modulation of 1mhz, set in that window that's great, but is the rise time of both signals at the same time as the 18khz window opens to allow the 1mhz wave in ? RESONANCE !

I suspect its similar to the build i have problems with on a scope, 'it doesn't lock'.

Re Delamortos, I haven't built any of his circuits, but never the less he is a respected guy in this field.

Any way if you don't reply I wont bother as it off on a different track (till it works).

Regards Sil

    AG: Not sure how I should answer you. But, my kacher is constantly running at 1MHz, how can it fit inside the window of 18KHz that you mention?
Just remember that they don't run at the SAME frequency. And never have.
   This scope shot below was taken from one of Stalkers video, although it may not be his scope shot. But, it is showing the Kacher at running at 1.4MHz, while the push pull is running at 16.5KHz. It is one of the ways to run the device. Not the only way. Itsu tried to replicate those frequencies using his controlable Kacher circuit, but was not able to, as yet. Maybe something will change in the future to allow us to see some better results.
   We have more than just tested, and re tested, and could not replicate that scope shot. Nor obtain OU. Perhaps there is something wrong with the schematics, or something.
   I am making NO CLAIMS, and never have. If I had something self running, I would not be here, nor show it doing so.
   Sorry guys, but I don't really trust what is going on here, with some of the members, anymore. Nor care to be with those who died showing us what works,
like Adrian Gustav.
  What does this have to do with the Aether. Everything...I believe.

From an old thread post:

"How it works"  - RUSLAN, et. al.  FE Generator

It appears most are "lost" with respect to the approach and theory underlying these types of energy generators therefore consider the following.

It may seem foreign at first but take some time to examine this information, several times if necessary, then take a few days off before getting
"wrapped around the axal" and doing the"RTTY Running Open" routine! No Stupid Comments... PLEASE, for the sake of those who might be
interested in learning more - keep the comments to only relevent, detailed, technical discussion - amongst yourselves.

Background

From a recent post and exchange with AG {thread Moderator} -   
"Your question is likely more sarcastic than inqisitive but, if not, lets consider:"

[[ AG, I'll post this one more time. If you feel the need to "scrub/moderate it again" so be it - your the moderator, however, a very detailed presentation,
including CAE analysis with files along with more reference and CAD models and other material, will appear soon on a technical web site that is more
suited to, and capable of, handling complex engineering and physics details. Target date is February - once the internet, in general, has been cleaned
and once again provides secured open access. We all know the current "state-of-affairs," FE/CE included (unfortunately for us, writ large! But this too
will soon pass) ]]

Reference Designations below relate to those found in the "Vasik041 - Documentation - " thread (or whatever it's called) and two patents that were
posted (and subsequently removed by AG as off-topic or not-the-focus of discussion or what ever). These patent links, again, are:

SPACE DISCHARGE APPARATUS
US2096460  filed 1936-01-23 issued Oct 19, 1937 
Inventor F. B. LLEWELLYN Assignee BELL LABS (now AT&T)
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2096460A/en?oq=2%2c096%2c460 (https://patents.google.com/patent/US2096460A/en?oq=2%2c096%2c460)

ULTRA HIGH FREQUENCY OSCILLATOR
US2520383A filed 1944-10-18 issued Aug 29, 1950
Inventor PALMER H. CRAIG Assignee INVEX Inc
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2520383A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US2520383A/en) , or, copy of original filing for better view of formulas:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search?q=pn%3DUS2520383A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search?q=pn%3DUS2520383A)

NOTE: Patent US2096460 Fig 1. "cathode 4, grid 5" and Patent US2520383A Fig. 1. "2, G, P" are replaced by a "Tesla Coil" plus there a few other
modifications - [no heated cathode => vacuum tube not needed], Anode (second anode) is so called "Antenna;" however the theory of operation is valid
and describes the technology employed. Traveling Wave Tubes (TWT) further amplify the approach but carefully consider 2. below.

Discussion

1. You have a basic system, without the Kacher/Antenna component, consisting of: (a.) a push-pull transistor combination driving; (b.) a toroid transformer
[split TV yoke] with center tapped Primary winding {L1a & L1b} and three turn secondary winding {L3} that, in turn; (c.) functions as the primary for an
air core secondary {Inductor L4}; (d.) which excites or Oscillates; (e.) the Grenade coil (L5).
Assume the above combination efficiency is near 96% [resonant if need be but not neccessarily required]. Somewhat similar to a simplified switch-mode
power supply, however the COP is still less than 1 (no excess energy).

2. To add excess energy this scheme might use a pulsed (*1) High Voltage Generator (f.) Kacher {L6 & L7} preferably in axial allignment with L4/L5 but not
necessarily required (*2); and, since the Grenade is comprised of a Helical Coil (g.) it functions as a "Slow Wave" device with respect to the L5 Oscillating field
(low/medium frequency in this case). *1 - HV => electron velocity; pulsed => phase; *2 without a focusing scheme the HV electron stream is (somewhat
randomly {?} ) distributed, but take into account the physical location of (f.) and the connected helix coiled  [so called] Antenna and also note their respective
voltage levels when analyzing electron {beam} distribution (the Anode/Cathode relation as found, for example, in an "O type" TWT). The Beam distribution
pattern will adhear to that found in Electrostatic field interaction.

3.  Keep in mind, Electrons are very light and can be easily accelerated by an electric field but can only be bent by a magnetic field {electric fields influence
electron speed, magnetic fields influence electron direction} (recall a CRT television - screen brightness <=> flyback transformer high voltage level - horizontal
and vertical raster scan <=> current driven yoke coil mounted on the CRT neck located right after the electron beam source but before the phosphor viewing screen).

4. By designing a device to have the HV Latcher emitted electron particles (called many different things) travel at or near the same speed (set by the HV
produced by a Katcher or Tesla Transformer or other high voltage generation scheme); as the field wavefront created by the Grenade coil {L4} signal nears
that of the electron particle stream (the electron beam), excess energy can be transfered from the HV particle stream to the Grenade Coil field thus increasing
the coil energy by four times the particle velocity (accelerated electron kinetic energy). This action is sometimes refered to as "Velocity Modulation."  A modest
transfer efficiency is typicall 35% but this can be near 90% with a good design and deliver amplifications exceeding 60dB (1x106 or 1 million).

5. Many, including me, believe magnetics or electrostatics are responsible for the energy transfer between the HV electrons and the signal field but if that were
the case this system would have been easily replicated many years ago. A hint to the transfer is shown by Tesla in his electron "gun" and plate demonstration
and the theory is further supported in the patents referenced earlier.

6. High Q Resonant circuits help in increasing system efficiency but Resonance also complicates the ability to achieve overall excess added energy success.
This is clearly shown in wideband TWT Amplifier study.

7. Focusing on the electron particle velocity and signal field wavefront velocity while paying particular attention to their phases might well yield the energy
transfer mechanism. A numerical analysis appears to support this hypothesis as well as on-going Computer Aided Engineering finite element analysis.
The above postulation presents another viable way of viewing and solving the FE question. One should consider other approaches (and new methods) if
your current approach doesn't show progress after many many years! If we already knew the precise theory of operation and design techniques this system
would be in production (or at least leaked) by now.

IMHO this general Ruslan/Stalker scheme is very viable and only needs a bit of tweeking - less Q/Resonance initially with some detailed attention to electron
and field velocity and phase mechanics.

Methods and Techniques

Use Ansys AEDT and/or CST Design Suite CAE to varify/optimise operation (Solidworks CAD to draw coil, etc. parts; then import into CAE). Attempting a
hand-build is extremely difficult, as observed over the past 10 or more years, replications are near impossible. Engineering design methods and precission
CNC techniques are required; however the results are worth the effort. CAE also allows investigating many other FE methods, for example saturated Ferrite,
other non-linear devices, asymetric windings and transformers, etc.. CAE down the road can also assist in environmental analysis and optimization {Tesla in
vacuum is pretty wild, humidity in air is also pretty wild, etc.}!

TWT Theory - Derived Math links:  Dr.P.Prasanna Murali krishna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7L-fiYNqS4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7L-fiYNqS4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPkz-qWAr2g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPkz-qWAr2g)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K_Ok_XThyw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K_Ok_XThyw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63vnYb4sF2Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63vnYb4sF2Q)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMywVY_au20 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMywVY_au20)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7L-fiYNqS4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7L-fiYNqS4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkFRpSqomg8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkFRpSqomg8)

TWT Information

Recent theory of traveling-wave tubes: a tutorial-review
https://silo.tips/queue/electron-devices-simulation-with-cst-studio-suite-richard-cousin-cst-cst-eumw-20?&queue_id=-1&v=1636076991&u=MzUuMTM2LjE5MC4xNDY= (https://silo.tips/queue/electron-devices-simulation-with-cst-studio-suite-richard-cousin-cst-cst-eumw-20?&queue_id=-1&v=1636076991&u=MzUuMTM2LjE5MC4xNDY=)

Simulation of Traveling-Wave Tubes for Analysis and Optimization in Modulated Back-Off

https://d-nb.info/1217326774/34 (https://d-nb.info/1217326774/34)

Rant

I first proposed this theory of operation on an OU thread in, I believe, mid 2017 after reviewing the TopRuslan device. At first glance it had a striking r
esemblance to a TWT structure but at the time other duties and a lack of CAE tools delayed further in depth technical study. Shortly after many related
OU post, the OU cabal of shills, mis-information trolls and hucksters that resided on OU, and now elsewhere, I was banned for "disagreeing" with their
Golden Boys. BTW, the same banning, for the same reasons, happened at the AU forum. Moral - don't know more than the forum's fake experts and, for
sure, don't call them out or even remotely expose them (if they knew anything technical about the topic and/or not blocked those who do have some clue,
it would have all been completed more than 10 years ago).

I suspect that this banning thing will quickly migrate to this forum as well - so, if you briefly see this post, keep in mind my entire "data dump" will
appear on a credible web site very soon!

Thats all...

This is your version of how it works?

COP is less than 1...hmm....pretty sure ol' Kapanadze was getting better than that in the garden video.

Anyway, I always assumed... that Ol' Kap's coil had to be used as a scalar longitudinal wave emitter, with the outer coil as a collector.  The coil through the center is going to ground, meaning the outer coil is positive.  These waves are though to drive a current by the electric field gradient, avoid Lenz's Law, and this would be cold current.   The need for a battery to start it was indicative of this theory., assuming the pulses to the inner coil are over the battery DC.  Need that interaction for conventional current conversion.

I did build one, but could not drive the coil adequately to produce a strong enough scalar longitudinal effect, or change the frequency.  I probably could do better now, but I'm busy with another project.  You'd need to find the longitudinal resonance frequency for the coil.  The cold current will keep everything going once the battery is disconnected.  Assuming cold current is a real thing.

This is very unproven and speculative, but radically different than any other theories out there.

  Nice to hear that you tried it Grumpy. It's not as simple as it sound, yet Kapanadze was the first to show us again and again that it is possible. If not replicable at this time, it will be.
   BTW: the longest coil on the grenade is used as the output coil. It is 37.5 meters long,  There is an inductor coil above it I/2 as long 18 meters long. And, a thick short outter coil is the "antenna coil" as the top load from the Hv Hf Kacher signal.
  SL has got a pretty good idea of how it's supposed to work, but getting all to work is no picnic in the park.

   NickZ

Grumpy - sorry you didn't get one working, maybe soon.

NickZ got pretty close to perfecting it - (but) phasing the HV pulses is a real challenge,
even when you have an high frequency HV differential probe and synchronized bench generators
driving each part of the system.

Problem is, simpler low voltage pulsed / coil bench tests don't produce the effect.

Sorry Grum but your response to having actually built one indicates that might be a bit of a stretch;
especially if you have worked with or designed TWTs.

And, quite a few guys have demonstrated the operation, both on the bench and in the field. A good
source is Stalker - he has done some good theory as well, and Ruslan (39 or so videos).

Solarlab
As Grumpy mentioned to Nick
Here there are benches to self moderate (you would be in charge of the build presentation)
Even just move your data dumps to your bench

Also at Stefan's forum for several years now
Same thing
You would be the moderator there too

You could post info here or there and it would be there in perpetuity
Never removed!
Only time things get removed is when terms of service agreements are violated
And owners are subject to defamation claims do to
"Other" statements by presenter or
Did not honor wishes of person who's moderated board they post in !( I believe this happened to F6 at Wesley's board at Stefan's)

Example AG is not moderator of this board,however it seems you must have posted something at his moderated
Topic here ( where "He" moderates) and he moved it or removed it ?

Same happened at Wesley topic at Stefan's forum (Wesley's moderated board)

As I have begged you many times to get a bench here or moderated board at Stefan's

And "NOTHING " will ever be removed "NOTHING " ( if it's not against Terms of service agreement)
BTW
If you are truly here to help persons with kapanadze devices ( to get them working ??)
There are many here and elsewhere with non working units on the shelf !

Start a topic on your self moderated  bench !
PLEASE TEACH!!

Respectfully
Chet K

  SL:
   I agree, seams like you have taken the time to study and analyse most of this, unlike some other members only taking wind guesses but no hands on verification to prove the point. Which is exactly what we need now, after all this time.
  And if it's not the Aether that is adding extra energy, and allows a self runner operate with NO input, I don't know what is.
   NickZ

Quote from: solarlab on 2022.08.24, 23:25:39
Grumpy - sorry you didn't get one working, maybe soon.

NickZ got pretty close to perfecting it - (but) phasing the HV pulses is a real challenge,
even when you have an high frequency HV differential probe and synchronized bench generators
driving each part of the system.

Problem is, simpler low voltage pulsed / coil bench tests don't produce the effect.

Sorry Grum but your response to having actually built one indicates that might be a bit of a stretch;
especially if you have worked with or designed TWTs.

And, quite a few guys have demonstrated the operation, both on the bench and in the field. A good
source is Stalker - he has done some good theory as well, and Ruslan (39 or so videos).

When I built my version, only Kapanadze had one.  This was around 2010 or maybe even earlier.  No one else had built anything.  There were no replications.  Kapa didn't even have a youtube channel then.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfHCwbUxzbiu7ncxPXkBYEg

Demonstrating some bulbs lighting means nothing.  Uncle Fester could light a bulb in his mouth (on TV=LOL!).
Show me the meter readings. 
Show me the system self-running when the battery is removed, like Kapanadze did.  (Granted, he might have faked it somehow...wires everywhere...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjQgpTiN4vw

Maybe he faked all of it.  Who knows?

 With people all around looking to see if it's faked, I don't think so.
There is also the video where Stefan and Tiger went to see Akula at his house
to see Akula's device run first hand. And no fake was detected. Also Ruslans field day,
Showing his 5000 watt output, from thin air. No power sources in sight.

  NickZ

The concept of RESEARCH as in "Over Unity Research", or any other, is to study solutions to problems.

The concept of "How To" is to Write a book or make a youtube with instructions on how to do or build something.

The concept of "Teach" is to structure a series of lesson plans designed to teach something, then "test" those you
have taught, and issue Sheep Skins.

The concept of open "Forums" is to 'scrap over stuff' and, from that, learn strengths and weaknesses,
recognizing them and make adjustments, as required. Also allows studying those involved, all be it unfortunately, from afar.
The ego's and myoptic-ness - in some cases - I find quite interesting, if not humourous, and [almost] educational.

I "Research", I "Write", I "Teach" and I also "Forum" and I find them all quite enjoyable!

Non are necessary but they are all fun!

Relax - we'll all get there; and sooner than you think...

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.24, 21:22:40
This is your version of how it works?

COP is less than 1...hmm....pretty sure ol' Kapanadze was getting better than that in the garden video.

Anyway, I always assumed... that Ol' Kap's coil had to be used as a scalar longitudinal wave emitter, with the outer coil as a collector.  The coil through the center is going to ground, meaning the outer coil is positive.  These waves are though to drive a current by the electric field gradient, avoid Lenz's Law, and this would be cold current.   The need for a battery to start it was indicative of this theory., assuming the pulses to the inner coil are over the battery DC.  Need that interaction for conventional current conversion.

I did build one, but could not drive the coil adequately to produce a strong enough scalar longitudinal effect, or change the frequency.  I probably could do better now, but I'm busy with another project.  You'd need to find the longitudinal resonance frequency for the coil.  The cold current will keep everything going once the battery is disconnected.  Assuming cold current is a real thing.

This is very unproven and speculative, but radically different than any other theories out there.

Yes - this is my version of how it works!

Since you claim "this is very unproven and speculative, but radically different than any other theories out there" please elaborate,
in detail, what these other theories are.

Of particular interest are the theories presented by those who have already demonstrated working models. For example:

- Ruslan's theory?
- Kapanzdze's theory?
- Stalker's theory?

- and any others, such as Your theory?

Thanks in advance, every bit of knowledge is always appreciated.

Quote from: NickZ on 2022.08.25, 01:39:04
With people all around looking to see if it's faked, I don't think so.
There is also the video where Stefan and Tiger went to see Akula at his house
to see Akula's device run first hand. And no fake was detected. Also Ruslans field day,
Showing his 5000 watt output, from thin air. No power sources in sight.

  NickZ

What ever happened to Akula?
I remember people visiting Kapanadze too.

Quote from: solarlab on 2022.08.25, 02:35:11


Yes - this is my version of how it works!

Since you claim "this is very unproven and speculative, but radically different than any other theories out there" please elaborate,
in detail, what these other theories are.

Of particular interest are the theories presented by those who have already demonstrated working models. For example:

- Ruslan's theory?
- Kapanzdze's theory?
- Stalker's theory?

- and any others, such as Your theory?

Thanks in advance, every bit of knowledge is always appreciated.

If there is valid proof that those devices are OU, please point me to the information.

My theory is speculative as it is not proven.  I think it could work though.  Not hard to prove/disprove either.
I think someone told Kapanadze how to do it, same for Steven Mark, they just implemented the info, trying to get rich.

I don't pay attention to theories calling for transverse wave resonance, eyes of newts, or pixie dust.  Not when OU is concerned, as there is no OU there.
Also, if the inventor can not explain the workings in precise terms, then they do not know how it works and are speculating. 
Kapanadze referenced Tesla's work as the source for his work.  Do you think he was wrong?

I saw some post on OU that your were involved in, and AlienGrey, that indicated Stalker had posted deliberate lies.  So, is his theory (whatever it is) valid?

If there are so many working devices, where's yours?  Set up a Bench here and we'll "will the damn thing to work" (old saying by poster "Moby")

Side note: got my avalanche transistor trigger circuit for 4500v MOSFETs working pretty good.  Kansas is in my sights!

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.25, 02:41:04
What ever happened to Akula?
I remember people visiting Kapanadze too.

  Yeah, Not only Akula, all others have vanished into "thin air", as well.
Adrian Gustav was possibly killed after showing a very similar device to mine, self running in the field.
So, there may be something to all this confusion and mistrust and fear. But, I highly doubt what AG invented about Stalker lying.
As AG has a good heart, but, has a habit being out in right field.
   Stalker on the other hand has been more than helpful with these projects. Although, he will not show any OU, nor self running devices actually self running any more. Nor will any one else, that would like to stay alive.
   NickZ

Yes - this is my version of how it works!

Since you claim "this is very unproven and speculative, but radically different than any other theories out there" please elaborate,
in detail, what these other theories are.

Of particular interest are the theories presented by those who have already demonstrated working models. For example:

- Ruslan's theory?
- Kapanzdze's theory?
- Stalker's theory?

- and any others, such as Your theory?

Thanks in advance, every bit of knowledge is always appreciated.

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.25, 02:56:57
If there is valid proof that those devices are OU, please point me to the information.

My theory is speculative as it is not proven.  I think it could work though.  Not hard to prove/disprove either.
I think someone told Kapanadze how to do it, same for Steven Mark, they just implemented the info, trying to get rich.

I don't pay attention to theories calling for transverse wave resonance, eyes of newts, or pixie dust.  Not when OU is concerned, as there is no OU there.
Also, if the inventor can not explain the workings in precise terms, then they do not know how it works and are speculating. 
Kapanadze referenced Tesla's work as the source for his work.  Do you think he was wrong?

I saw some post on OU that your were involved in, and AlienGrey, that indicated Stalker had posted deliberate lies.  So, is his theory (whatever it is) valid?

If there are so many working devices, where's yours?  Set up a Bench here and we'll "will the damn thing to work" (old saying by poster "Moby")

Side note: got my avalanche transistor trigger circuit for 4500v MOSFETs working pretty good.  Kansas is in my sights!

Grumpy,

This is your (detailed) theory/version of how it works?  Ok, that wasn't really that informative or helpful, but thanks anyway!

Have a good one...

SL

Quote from: NickZ on 2022.08.24, 15:32:59
   Smudge:
   Thanks for your comments. If the relativity theory is what interests you, and others, you should cover that on a relativity theory, thread.
   This thread on this overunity forum is about the Aether, and how is relates to science, not relativity theory, but, Aether theory, instead.
...

This thread is indeed about ether and science.
But we don't see Nickz talking about it, except with ridiculous words like asking others to shake the ether or worse, to leave because they would question the ether while talking about relativity!

The subject is precisely to try to see if ether is science, and how. Relativity is a proven knowledge in terms of experimental results, and therefore observational predictions from the ether must be compatible with it.

And what do we see happening? What we see all the time: the deviation of the topic to the same old FE stories spread everywhere, about Kapanadze, Russlan, Akula & Co, from which nothing concrete has ever come out, whose facts are not even proven, whose credible experimenters here have never been able to reach a consensus on a particular anomalous effect, and without rational arguments or formalism about their connection to the ether and to science, which is the topic.

Some participants are in their religious war against science, a consequence of ignorance. When will they understand the subjects, stop spoiling them, come out of their obscurantism by tolerating the scientific method, and respect the others? I wonder.

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.25, 02:56:57
...
If there are so many working devices, where's yours?
...

O0

In his illusions... This is where we have the largest stock of machines that solve all the problems of the planet.

Illusions are a drug, a soft drug but a drug. As long as we have not understood that what interests humanity is not illusions but the realisation of its dreams, we have not understood everything about science.

Quote from: F6FLT on Today at 09:12:05
This thread is indeed about ether and science.
But we don't see Nickz talking about it, except with ridiculous words like asking others to shake the ether or worse, to leave because they would question the ether while talking about relativity!

The subject is precisely to try to see if ether is science, and how. Relativity is a proven knowledge in terms of experimental results, and therefore observational predictions from the ether must be compatible with it.

And what do we see happening? What we see all the time: the deviation of the topic to the same old FE stories spread everywhere, about Kapanadze, Russlan, Akula & Co, from which nothing concrete has ever come out, whose facts are not even proven, whose credible experimenters here have never been able to reach a consensus on a particular anomalous effect, and without rational arguments or formalism about their connection to the ether and to science, which is the topic.

Some participants are in their religious war against science, a consequence of ignorance. When will they understand the subjects, stop spoiling them, come out of their obscurantism by tolerating the scientific method, and respect the others? I wonder.



   Guys:
   Is this the guy that you want to allow to ruin this thread???  IF he is going to repeat the same BS day after day. I will leave you to him.
   Chet:  Can you do something about this, or do I need to talk to Peter?

Here we go !  >:-) >:-) >:-) >:-)

Sil

Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.08.25, 08:12:05
This thread is indeed about ether and science.
But we don't see Nickz talking about it, except with ridiculous words like asking others to shake the ether or worse, to leave because they would question the ether while talking about relativity!

The subject is precisely to try to see if ether is science, and how. Relativity is a proven knowledge in terms of experimental results, and therefore observational predictions from the ether must be compatible with it.

And what do we see happening? What we see all the time: the deviation of the topic to the same old FE stories spread everywhere, about Kapanadze, Russlan, Akula & Co, from which nothing concrete has ever come out, whose facts are not even proven, whose credible experimenters here have never been able to reach a consensus on a particular anomalous effect, and without rational arguments or formalism about their connection to the ether and to science, which is the topic.

Some participants are in their religious war against science, a consequence of ignorance. When will they understand the subjects, stop spoiling them, come out of their obscurantism by tolerating the scientific method, and respect the others? I wonder.

   Guys:
   Is this the guy that you want to allow to ruin this thread, like what happened to the other thread we HAD???
   IF he is going to repeat the same BS day after day. I will leave you to him.
   
   Chet:  Can you do something about this guy, or do I need to talk to Peter?

   This below is what Tesla said about the Aether, or Cosmic energy.  Should we disbelieve our greatest inventor? And, instead believe a guy that has been kicked out of and banded from several other forum sites, that he disrupted. If this issue can't be resolved, I have plan B.
   
   Everything that I have mentioned has to do with the Aether. And was also first mentioned by our greatest SCIENTIST:
   Tesla:
   https://youtu.be/QIZWrJkv6PE
   https://youtu.be/ySvRkQ31eOk

   NickZ

Related Ruslan and other FE/CE Video Archives

Ruslan videos from the archive (getting old now but some other related videos as well):

http://matri-x.ru/video.shtml#16 (http://matri-x.ru/video.shtml#16)

DragonsLord76 youtube channel from his MATRI-X.RU website has many interesting and
informative videos on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/user/DragonsLord76 (https://www.youtube.com/user/DragonsLord76)

{The Matrix forum is also well worth a look - might need to use Chrome browser - site is in Russian}.

Enjoy!

Fellows
Please explain why our host should be interrupted from his very busy work schedule?
He works away from home with no access!
He supplies moderated benches here
Start a topic in your bench
Or move the topic to a bench

Moderate it yourselves !!

One thing is certain...unless a true anomaly is found
Or a testable theory towards that result?

This will go on for another decade with rinse and repeat in perpetuity!

I beg member Solarlab to bring some order to this ( start a bench ?

"Crickets"

Move the discussion to your bench
Hopefully experiments will accompany the move ?

Here it is best to have proof of a claim ..and video proof is no proof at all !
(Unless the video shows a method towards a verifiable result !

Show An anomaly?

This house is filled with builders ( and the other open source FE forum)
And all the boxes filled with past experiments !

Start a bench !!

And stay within terms of service agreements!

Give NickZ, Solarlab, and AlienGrey all their own benches.

Delete them later if they are never used.

I believe AG has a bench ?
Yes a good idea ...

Will reach out for Peter on his day off ...
(If he even has one this week ?)
He has been working many many hours lately!

   Here is some more information about what is Aether, and what Tesla said and did about it. His views, not Nicks, pertaining to what this thread is about.
   https://youtu.be/Rg-ugsB5Nao 
   This one is for you AG, as you asked for it. "What is Aether"?

   We don't all need new threads, or "benches" we need to get rid of insults, and disrespect and control what is happening to our members, instead.
Everyone has a right to their opinions, but, when you call someone names and insults and try to ridicule them on a daily bases. I believe that to be against "company policy".
   Therefore, I think that it's really F6 that needs to move to his own "bench", where he can talk about his own opinions and ideas, without having to keep spreading his negative opinions about everything mentioned on this thread. Makes me wonder, why. While never showing proof of anything, at all, ever.
   
    However, We do need a new Akula/Ruslan/Stalker thread, which I may have to start, out of desperation, to constant and deliberate personal attacks from this guy. Now I see what AG had to go through, to be forced to having to delete and end, one of the most important threads, here.
So, being a thread moderator, is not always a good idea, when still having to put up with the same constant insults and attacks, and then having the job to "moderate" disrespectful people, is a pain in the...  And I can see why Peter would not want that job, either. But, something may be necessary, in order to control disruption.

   NickZ

Quote from: AlienGrey on 2022.08.25, 11:10:36
...
   Guys:
   Is this the guy that you want to allow to ruin this thread??? 

It's already done since Nz and Ag are here. As in the thread on scammers and fairy tales, any critical thinking towards scams or nonsense is fought by them. If they continue, the conclusion is that their core business is the sabotage of free energy research.

I have just easily reproduced Vedmedenko's astonishing experiment published in Nature, which reveals extraordinary new effects (in the thread "Energy from electron spin"): when you do an experiment that really works, there are rarely any problems in communicating it and having it reproduced.

It is hard to believe that those who systematically fail to do this, like Kapanadze, Akula and so many others in FE, when experimental evidence is so easy to come by when you really have something, would be anything other than hucksters, hustlers, or incompetents whose only experimental effect is Dunning-Kruger. Those who promote them by peddling their nonsense are behaving like them. If only they would leave us alone, but that's not enough, they have to attack rational people and science in general. And why? Because they know very well that sceptics know how to expose them and that knowing who they really are is bad for their image.

Nick
Please look at forum topics here !

All... are in some part associated with experiments or proposed experiments!
This is OUR foundation!
Yes the "what if's " are an integral part of this ..as are men like F6FLT
To date there has not been a new experiment proposal for Kapanadze with
an associated claim!
Just pointing to YouTube videos as proof ??
And lightbulbs as proof ??

Honestly no one here stays stagnant ( on the bench or in the mind)
Dragging a builder off the bench with no new info
Or focus ?
Just because Tesla wrote an opinion ( non verifiable opinion)

Not a good path towards a result or success!
Having written that ..Solarlab seems to imply a path towards success or something
Missed ..??
My issue with that ...why spend all the time on Holcomb if you already
Have OU ?
And seemingly a much simpler format than Holcomb?

One miracle will do for the moment!
Solarlab
Please take the reigns!!
TEACH!!
Or is what I wrote inaccurate? Re:kapanadze and your results /seemingly "suppressed " findings?

NickZ,

Check "TopRuslan 43" at the 5:10 (5:29 min) mark, in Ruslans words, explaining his system:

[... this is the driver for high-voltage transformer I want to check this phase shifter, what is the offset or is it one phase relative to the other in order to hit exactly **stuffy dad from exactly yes * there usually before the logic should be * everything is simple * very everything nothing heaped up what the earth show and the ring on the finnish ring is a filter and further up here on ...]

- rough translation but you get the idea!

SL

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.08.25, 16:48:40
Give NickZ, Solarlab, and AlienGrey all their own benches.

Delete them later if they are never used.

    Grumpy:
    Is there a reason that you are not included on that list, as it's your suggestion? Do you think that I'm here to just cause trouble?
    I'm here for freedom of speech, concerning free energy, and what constitute it. Such as the subject of this thread. Not to be manipulated, for fun or profit, by others.
   
    NickZ

Quote from: Chet K on 2022.08.25, 17:52:46
Nick
Please look at forum topics here !

All... are in some part associated with experiments or proposed experiments!
This is OUR foundation!
Yes the "what if's " are an integral part of this ..as are men like F6FLT
To date there has not been a new experiment proposal for Kapanadze with
an associated claim!
Just pointing to YouTube videos as proof ??
And lightbulbs as proof ??

Honestly no one here stays stagnant ( on the bench or in the mind)
Dragging a builder off the bench with no new info
Or focus ?
Just because Tesla wrote an opinion ( non verifiable opinion)

Not a good path towards a result or success!
Having written that ..Solarlab seems to imply a path towards success or something
Missed ..??
My issue with that ...why spend all the time on Holcomb if you already
Have OU ?
And seemingly a much simpler format than Holcomb?

One miracle will do for the moment!
Solarlab
Please take the reigns!!
TEACH!!
Or is what I wrote inaccurate? Re:kapanadze and your results /seemingly "suppressed " findings?

Sorry Chet K - missed the posts - had my filter on (hit the full block by mistake - only "Solarlab" in the first sentence
gets through).

Anyway; lets see if we can get NickZ past 3 bulbs lit first - he's almost there from what I see.

That will be your "One miricle will do for the moment."

BTW - Holcomb appears to working fine so far - experimenting with Resin 3D Printing the Stator/Rotor base
but the prices of material is high ($250 for a pint of ferro resin).

And - proof is in the eye of the beholder if he's skilled in the art!

Regards,

Quote from: Chet K on 2022.08.25, 17:52:46
Nick
Please look at forum topics here !

All... are in some part associated with experiments or proposed experiments!
This is OUR foundation!
Yes the "what if's " are an integral part of this ..as are men like F6FLT
To date there has not been a new experiment proposal for Kapanadze with
an associated claim!
Just pointing to YouTube videos as proof ??
And lightbulbs as proof ??





    Chet:  Ok, if that is what you think, fine.
    Don't you get it... disrespect and insults, are not being controlled nor moderated, here? Watch, this thread, see what happens, next.
    I asked for help with this, I get that you think what is going on here is just fine.
    So, I will take my leave. No new threads by me. I have nothing more to add here, at this time.

    Bye.

    NickZ

NickZ, to clarify; in "TopRuslan 43" Ruslan starts discussing the "phasing" at around 2:30. Sorry!

Solarlab
There are many many builders who have dusty kapanadze builds ( non working as of yet)

Nick
If you are as passionate as you write
Please consider Solarlabs offer

BTW
Grumpy already has a bench ( probably a decade or more ?

And for clarity
None of this is easy ... to much fighting and not enuff experimental suggestions
To support a ???

Here Solarlab clears the air ..F6 will not hinder !
Use this thread !!

PLEASE!!
The world needs solutions!
Options !
Respectfully
Chet K

   I don't know what you mean by SL clears the air, F6 is still at it, and always will be disrespectful. Like in all the other forums, he's been kicked out of.
   I will give this the benefit of the doubt. There was a moment yesterday that I had thought that something had changed, but, we'll see.
   I hoped that you'd understand, things won't go well as they presently are. Perhaps no one cares, "one way or the other". Like about the Aether, also.
   
   I also have taken much advice from people that have never built a free energy device. That has not worked, ask Itsu.
   I would appreciate if SL builds his own device first, once working, I will listen to his advice. He is not the first, to makes suggestions for someone else to work on. AG has been doing this all along. I have already spent thousands of hours on all of this. And am leary on "advice" or explanations, from those that don't really know.
   I am not here to do someones elses work to see it it works, or not. They should be the example of what they think, or claim. Not me.

   NickZ
   
   

Solarlab makes a suggestion
It cannot hurt to listen to his reasoning
If you do not understand his reasoning
PLEASE ask for a deeper explanation!
It will not be just you whom he writes to here !

Others who have dormant devices will also consider
His reasoning!
My impression of Solarlab has always been that he works alongside of young
Builders
Something he wrote years back
Perhaps teaching or ?


Nevertheless hungry young minds in robotics or ?

Nothing ventured nothing gained

Quote from: NickZ on 2022.08.25, 19:28:37
... F6 is still at it, and always will be disrespectful.

But not with just anyone.
And you? Do you have any respect for hucksters, hustlers and pretentious incompetents? That's what you show.
On the other hand, we don't see you showing any respect for the subject of threads.

Quote from: solarlab on 2022.08.25, 18:20:44
($250 for a pint of ferro resin)

Dollars-to-donuts it's just resin mixed with ferrite powder.
Depending on the complexity of the build, it may be practical to 3d-print a negative and then cast with DIY ferrite resin.

F6
Here you just continue a battle
Are you interested in results or is it more the battle
You prefer ?
Yes science is heavily invested in battles
However here in this topic you wish to interrupt progress towards
a build ?
Or
Accomplish what exactly?
A new fight club section??

Claimant "N" feels that his build is invested in Aether theory
Member Solarlab has mentioned a possible method to explore
This as yet elusive gain mechanism ?

   Guys:
   You can see F6's reply?  Same shit, different day.

   NickZ

What's it gonna be F6
?
Continue fighting
Or allow some experiments into claimant "N's " Aether work?

Which is presently on the table for discussion,( between him and Solarlab!

Quote from: Hakasays on 2022.08.25, 20:06:55
Dollars-to-donuts it's just resin mixed with ferrite powder.
Depending on the complexity of the build, it may be practical to 3d-print a negative and then cast with DIY ferrite resin.

Hakasays,

Hope your observation is correct - that would be great.

The first one I looked at - "Tethon 3D - Ferrolite Iron Resin – 500ml    $ 250.00"
https://ultimate3dprintingstore.com/products/ferrolite-iron-resin-500ml (https://ultimate3dprintingstore.com/products/ferrolite-iron-resin-500ml)

Not so good - "A UV curable resin containing iron.  In the green state, directly from the 3D printer,
the printed object is a magnetically receptive iron polymer composite.  Upon sintering, the printed
object is 100% iron and not magnetically receptive."

Interesting, I guess!

Will keep searching for a solution.

SL

Just went through the last few posts - WoW, pretty entertaining, glad I took the time...

NickZ - just thought you might be interested in Ruslans video and comments (re: phasing the HV) since it
sort of fits in with my analysis results. I do have a Ruslan device that we experiment with but it's in the lab.

Chet K - I'll butt-out, this isn't a thread where I belong anyway and I've upset too many already (bruised ego's)!

Sorry fellas...

SL

   SL:
   Well thanks, but, I've already seen and re seen and re seen all the videos concerning this subject.
   It is common for others to make suggestions, but, this is no simple toy. And can days to get it back to where it's doing anything, at all.
   So, perhaps if it interests you, get the device from the "lab", or where ever, and do with it what you'd like for me to do, instead.
   I don't mean to sound demanding, not at all, it's up to you. I have watched every single replication attempt fail. Lots of talk and ideas, not a single self runner.  NOT FUN, nor cheap to play with. If you know what I mean.

   NickZ

  PS. Chet, when are you going to understand, that there are no overunity devices made by any one here, ever. Period. Where have you been???

Solarlab
There is little room in science for Egos ( no chapter in physics books or ?)
If you have a contribution to assist ?

Please share it , if you feel you already have ( by previous recent posts)
It missed the target...please be more specific?

Respectfully
Chet K

Quote from: Chet K on 2022.08.25, 20:08:12
F6
Here you just continue a battle
...

Should I keep quiet every time Nickz slanders me? And accept the tainting of this thread with topics unrelated to ether and science?

Longtime experimenter Nick Z feels his research
And success hinges on "Ether theory "

Please allow him to continue minus slander ( which I had not noticed still remained in topic
Perhaps give this a few days to show direction or intent !
Gentlemen's rules
No slander or innuendos etc etc

The goal being an addendum to enhance the performance of previous replication attempts!

Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
This topic on hold until Peter is contacted
May take a few days

Looks like this topic is/was/should be locked to allow everyone to cool down a little...good. When cooler heads prevail, perhaps we will all adopt a zero tolerance policy: i.e. no tolerance for slander, defamation, or derogatory/malicious criticism (i.e. attacking the person not the idea), etc. I guess those that choose to disrespect the policy may go sit in the corner for a while.