(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4411.0;attach=46682;image)
It's more sad than funny, getting called out for personal attacks then trying the same thing through thinly-veiled photoshop.
Some tips that might help: :P
https://leadingwithhumour.com/feature/knowing-your-audience-is-key/
A "personal" attack has nothing to do with this humour, as everyone with a minimum of general knowledge already knows.
I have often seen humour attacking some of my values. But I laughed anyway!
It must be really sad to be unable to take a step back from your own point of view.
"Humor as a Serious Strategy of Nonviolent Resistance to Oppression" :P
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1468-0130.2008.00488.x
In FE as elsewhere, oppression comes from bigots who want you to accept everything from the "enlightened" C.C people or ideas they believe in, and refuse to let you challenge them. It is the oppression of intolerant arbitrariness against critical thinking. When faith exceeds reason, it leads to integrism and oppression, which fights against humour and laughter, as Umberto Eco showed very well in "The name of the rose", which I invite everyone to read or re-read.
Well
I suppose our host might have an opinion on these "seasoned greetings "
I would like to ask Santa 🤶 f he has the list of naughty patent suppressors and their
Naughty deeds ?
In a time where we are told the planet's existence hangs in the balance
Here just one sampling: a game changing tech actively hindered since 2009 ? ( last I heard over 5000 seizures of patents?)
Plasma kinetics
Metal Hydrides https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xA5cZnFfkkE
Suppressed Hydrogen harvesting and storage technology ( since 2009 seized patent / marketing rights)
https://plasmakinetics.com/ (suppression of tech explanation starts at about 3:30 mark in vid!
Please Santa
Can we the people see that naughty list ?( hindered or seized patents ??
Let us decide what is fantasy or .... Suppressed for profit by the naughty ...
Experimenting with MOSFETS before learning about MOV's and Schottky bypass diodes:
@Hakasays
Ask Santa for this book:
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/60694460-become-funny-in-14-days
See you next year.
:)
(//)
:o
Many of the devices listed in the "humorous" picture are known to actually work even if the working details were never revealed, and replications failed.
Sadly, this shows that F6 is unwilling or incapable of conducting the "research" he preaches about. He's never applied the sacred "scientific method" to the devices he declares do not work.
He'd rather poke fun at free energy than perform the work required to uncover the truth.
Personally
I believe F6 ( previously known as Exnihiloest )
Has done plenty of experiments... he just doesn't believe it's possible
Since he had no success!
I remember another early member of this forum felt similar ( Marco)
Many frustrated builders unable to get anything to self run with gain or looped
With no battery or power supply (after initial startup!
Always hitting a wall makes one numb or frustrated or ...(F6..
And as of yet ...we have no device that runs with gain unattached to the
Wall socket or ....?
To share open source for scrutiny!
I personally believe _the perpetually seething sea of energy_ ..that encompasses every molecule or atom on the planet ...and Beyond ,
Will get sorted in the very near future!
Just like the DNA genome research has opened "life's" deepest rabbit hole !
Tapping into _the wheel works of nature_ is the next thing on the menu !
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Regarding Marco ( also a big advocate of the PAGD)
The PAGD and "other" is recently ( via AllCanadian) back on the menu ...
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4406.msg102836;topicseen#msg102836
for perusal and discussion it seems ?
A very early topic at this forum!
Edit to F6 for FE holiday cheer below
My comment on failed experiments and "what's possible" was in reference to your Santa letter
Sorry if I assumed ... I did not realize you had just used the broad brush of dismissal without investigation ...
I had thought you referenced a few of those on your bench over the years
And wishing for a return of the lost or wasted time ??
BTW
Yes I know you look for FE in a much more scientific way ( as do most here )
Quote from: Chet K on 2022.12.23, 23:02:41
Personally
I believe F6 ( previously known as Exnihiloest )
Has done plenty of experiments... he just doesn't believe it's possible
Since he had no success!
...
Obviously this is false and defamatory, another drama of misunderstanding.
I think it's possible, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But a possibility does not make a reality except for those who have not learned to think.
The question is not about me. Neither I nor anyone else has succeeded. And don't tell me that I don't know how to recognise success, because I even believe in radio waves, which I don't even see.
If someone had succeeded, then we can close this forum, it is no longer useful since humanity has free energy. No? Doesn't it have it? Then why say we would have it? I will tell you why. Because those who say so are either liars or blind believers unable to distinguish between their illusions and reality.
While they should be providing the Ukrainians, who sorely need it, with this free energy that they claim already exists, they do nothing about it and prefer to amuse themselves by thinking that they would have it. Worse. The only energy that is produced is that from academic science but they despise it because fools always condemn what they don't understand.
Chief kolbacict wisely asked in the other thread:
Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2022.12.24, 07:18:28
...
Why do we distribute good wishes to each other, celebrate holidays, and why is there more and more evil in the world?
The answer is the same as "
why do we congratulate each other among suckers unable to get free energy"? Because we refuse reality but hope it will change and that each other's ideas and acts can be useful.
We are right.
The mistake is not to refuse reality, in the sense of wanting to change it, but to consider as reality what does not exist. Because then not only do we no longer need to work to have FE since we are supposed to have it already, not only instead do we have fun seeing miracles in the banal effects of the puerile conventional set-ups of the "FE experts", but worse, we point to scapegoats like politicians or scientists (and those like me who support them), who would be the cause of an impediment to the generalisation of the brilliant inventions of FE that we already have. At this level of stupidity causing perpetual failure, I can only see religious fundamentalists. It only takes 5% of them in a movement to make 90% of useful idiots follow them.
Don't ask Santa for anything and use your brain.
Merry Christmas! :)
Thanks Santa - last piece is now solved and costs reduced by near 87%.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102697#msg102697 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102697#msg102697)
It is now affordable by nearly everyone! And build-able by many! [kits - maybe?]
Complete Course with details will be on the new website hopefully early in the New Year...
{until some guru proves that it does NOT work (Ho Ho Ho) - then we shall say it works!}
{BTW - over the last 10+ years on the Forums I have yet to observe any real Practical Engineering
and Physics applied to the Study and Analysis of any of the potential excess energy devices that have
appeared here over the years, by any members - do you think this might have some relationship to the failure rate?}
Seasons Greetings!
Chet
QuotePersonally
I believe F6 ( previously known as Exnihiloest )
Has done plenty of experiments... he just doesn't believe it's possible
Since he had no success!
I remember another early member of this forum felt similar ( Marco)
I prefer hope...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB3mZvCNN1c
Carl Sagan Christmas Lecture 1 - The Earth as a Planet
If you ever lose faith watch a video by Carl Sagan...
AC
"Hope" is what allows men to be enslaved. Religion used it for centuries: man had to accept his terrible condition but he would be rewarded after his death!
Of course, the clergy who kept this hope alive in the people took advantage of it. The naive are always the first to be exploited. In FE it's the same: you see people who advertise free energy while they subscribe to an energy supplier! And you see people buying free energy kits or plans! Hope at this level of stupidity, I call it superstition, and I leave it to whoever wants it.
Long live science and its lucidity. But it's not for everyone. It takes a strong character to confront the facts without skewing everything by the magical thinking of hope.
Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.12.26, 10:48:05
"Hope" is what allows men to be enslaved. Religion used it for centuries: man had to accept his terrible condition but he would be rewarded after his death!
Of course, the clergy who kept this hope alive in the people took advantage of it. The naive are always the first to be exploited. In FE it's the same: you see people who advertise free energy while they subscribe to an energy supplier! And you see people buying free energy kits or plans! Hope at this level of stupidity, I call it superstition, and I leave it to whoever wants it.
Long live science and its lucidity. But it's not for everyone. It takes a strong character to confront the facts without skewing everything by the magical thinking of hope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuRn2S7iPNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuRn2S7iPNU) O0
I thought this was humorous...
https://www.anquotes.com/richard-feynman-quotes/
I love reading Richard Feynman, the Nobel Prize winning physicists, take on things...
This is only 10 of the 52 quotes on the website.
"Nobody ever figures out what life is all about, and it doesn't matter. Explore the world. Nearly everything is really interesting if you go into it deeply enough."
"A philosopher once said, 'It is necessary for the very existence of science that the same conditions always produce the same results'. Well, they don't!"
"The worthwhile problems are the ones you can really solve or help solve, the ones you can really contribute something to. No problem is too small or too trivial if we can really do something about it."
"I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned."
"It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong."
"Study hard what interests you the most in the most undisciplined, irreverent and original manner possible."
"All things are made of atoms—little particles that move around in perpetual motion, attracting each other when they are a little distance apart, but repelling upon being squeezed into one another. In that one sentence ... there is an enormous amount of information about the world."
"I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy — and when he talks about a nonscientific matter, he will sound as naive as anyone untrained in the matter."
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts."
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."
It's funny because he sounds just like most supposed FE inventors. He's not claiming we should just naively believe anything, more so a supposed expert. As Feynman claims, "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." The message seems pretty clear, believe nothing, question everything and try to prove every matter for ourselves.
AC
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2022.12.28, 23:02:27
...
"A philosopher once said, 'It is necessary for the very existence of science that the same conditions always produce the same results'. Well, they don't!"
...
Funny how the modesty of physicists, and their recognition of the limits of their own knowledge, is used against them by ignorant people who have not understood anything about scientific doubt.
It is clear that Feynman refers to quantum mechanics. But who can affirm that the conditions are exactly the same when the results are different?
On the other hand, QM does not predict the result of the measurements, only their probability, and their probability is correct, the results of the experiments verify them. So it is a real knowledge, not ignorance.
Physicists know their limits, but they also know that they know some things with a certain uncertainty, and that's why they have results, contrary to the ignorant people who label themselves as "free energy experts", when no useful product has ever come out of their nonsense.
To look for common points between Feynman and an incompetent of free energy, when they have absolutely nothing in common, is ridiculous.
The first one expresses doubts about the limits of his knowledge.
The second one ignores his limits and bases his erroneous reasoning on the illogicality that, since everything is not known, anything is possible. No intelligent mind thinks that, and I think that the FE will only come from intelligent minds.
Broli passed us an excellent link recently:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4403.0
We can see that academics are also looking for free energy, contrary to what the FE naysayers say. Those say that if we don't have FE, it's because scientists didn't look for it or that science is wrong.
Without being a fortune teller, I can easily predict that scientists will have free energy long before we do, maybe they have it already if we believe Garret Moddel. We had a small chance to find it. But this chance has been drastically reduced because the FE movement has attracted a considerable number of believers and incompetents who fight science and refuse to use the scientific method, doubt, precise measurements, logical conclusions, and prefer to dream that they are new Teslas when, unlike him, none of them presents anything that works. In FE we only see them and their pretentious uselessness. Less than 5% of FE people produce new ideas and are able to experiment with them, but they are drowned out by the flood of nonsense from others. It is now difficult or impossible to extract anything from this background noise.
F6FLT
QuoteTo look for common points between Feynman and an incompetent of free energy, when they have absolutely nothing in common, is ridiculous.
The first one expresses doubts about the limits of his knowledge.
The second one ignores his limits and bases his erroneous reasoning on the illogicality that, since everything is not known, anything is possible. No intelligent mind thinks that, and I think that the FE will only come from intelligent minds.
I find your reasoning a little misplaced considering you have supposedly been working on this problem for years and have nothing to show for it. I mean, if your so intelligent why do you keep failing?.
AC
@AC
The problem is not having nothing to show, but pretending that we have something when we have nothing.
This is what we mostly see in the FE movement: people go around in circles with always the same subjects for 20 to 30 years, like those listed in the letter to Santa (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4411.msg102815#msg102815).
I still haven't found anything but I can search on new subjects because I have eliminated a considerable number of dead ends, some of my own ideas, and those where I see 95% of people go astray, the pseudo-researchers of FE. A pseudo-researcher is a guy unable to formalize and test an idea, when he has a real one, which is rare, and who plays with conventional setups that others have presented to him as doing OU. He jumps like a goat every time he sees a classic effect that he doesn't understand, often because he doesn't understand much about physics, but he much prefers to argue with pseudo-scientific jargon around the latest fashionable nonsense in the field claiming that "we sure have FE".
I find it hard to understand how with a little rationality, which I don't doubt you have so you should understand me, one can fall into these ridiculous traps of FE claims that have remained unfruitful for decades, or be unable to quickly debunk new claims that show the same symptoms of tales or scams.
History has shown that people like Edison and Tesla can be beneficial to increasing our knowledge.
Having disdain for one or the other is a waste of time and "energy". (Pun intended.)
Quote from: F6FLT on 2023.01.01, 11:30:10
@AC
He jumps like a goat every time he sees a classic effect that he doesn't understand, often because he doesn't understand much about physics, but he much prefers to argue with pseudo-scientific jargon around the latest fashionable nonsense in the field claiming that "we sure have FE".
That's right.. :)
F6FLT
It's a new year and your post has been removed because it was abusive and hateful as per OUR standard agreement.
AC
Grumpy
QuoteHistory has shown that people like Edison and Tesla can be beneficial to increasing our knowledge.
What attracted me to Tesla's work wasn't his patents or all the wild speculation on the internet.
I enjoyed his lectures and his ability to break down complex engineering problems into simple terms and explanations. It was also refreshing that Tesla often referred to nature and the natural world versus math/equations. To explain the reasoning behind his experiments with words and real descriptions any experimenter could relate to. I think the accessibility of Tesla's work with high voltage/high frequency was the real appeal to the average person.
How many millions of children did Tesla inspire to build small Tesla coils and experiments with HV/HF?. I built them as a child and my children carried on this tradition in there grade school science classes. In fact there was so much interest that my children's school convinced me to donate both my 500kV 36" Tesla coil and my 24" Van De Graff generator to them. Even today I still get a kick out of knowing that tens of thousands of students in the future could learn about this technology from something I built on my bench...that's pretty cool in my books.
AC
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023.01.02, 16:33:45
F6FLT
It's a new year and your post has been removed because it was abusive and hateful as per OUR standard agreement.
AC
Lies, scams and obscurantism are hateful as far as I'm concerned, but I can see why those who are unaware of them, or those who use them consciously, love them.
I am well aware that in the field of FE, attacking crooks, liars and incompetents is severely reprimanded, since without these people, there wouldn't be many left to do the animation.
There is much less ostracism on academic science sites.
--- >>> $$$ sorry, Christmas is over, but thank you for stopping by!
QRN...QRM --- ZBM2 ---
Christmas is over, and it's time of wishes for the new year.
I have a feeling that mine won't be granted, but I'm lucid enough to know that if I manage to get one or two people out of the 95% who are content to go around in circles in their illusions, it would be a chance and an achievement. :)
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4411.0;attach=46863;image)
I'm reposting this humor drawing here, to gather the collection. It had been posted in another thread that was blocked (and maybe deleted, I can't find it anymore).
I don't think it's very mean, and self-mockery only proves a critical look at oneself and a salutary hindsight that I think we should have on our "quest". The acceptance of even iconoclastic images proves that we are not the fundamentalists of a religion or an ideology of the FE, but only curious and researchers capable of laughing also at ourselves. If you also want to produce humour against scientists, do not hesitate. As long as it is not in the service of a deleterious ideology, laughter is good, whatever its target.
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4411.0;attach=46979;image)
Can actually tell when you're away from the lab, because you always go from 1-3 posts/day that are highly technical and engineering focused
to 8-12 posts/day that are scattered and mostly rhetorical.
I find that kinda funny. :P
Quote from: Hakasays on 2023.01.25, 14:50:52
Can actually tell when you're away from the lab, because you always go from 1-3 posts/day that are highly technical and engineering focused
to 8-12 posts/day that are scattered and mostly rhetorical.
I find that kinda funny. :P
I don't see why it's funny. Everyone has their own way of working.
Acquiring new ideas requires thinking, mine come mostly at night.
Then you have to test them with a little bit of math, because playing with a soldering iron all day and making often questionable measurements when you can know in advance what you will get, is completely inefficient.
Then thinking about scientific and technical points and doing math, you quickly get saturated and you have to take breaks. The breaks can be used to deal with general questions that are not as sharp, especially on the method. And do a little humor.
Finally, ideas do not come at regular intervals, nor does the enthusiasm for doing math. So the periods for each activity follow each other but are not the same.
What I find funny is that we see you enthusiastic about, for example, your transmissions through the earth, and then we don't hear about it anymore and we don't even have a conclusion about the experiment. No follow-up, it seems, no possible progress.
Quote from: F6FLT on 2023.01.25, 16:30:18
I don't see why it's funny. Everyone has their own way of working.
Everyone has their own style, but i think most here would agree that your character and content quality declines significantly when away-from-lab.
As to your other question, our group has a 3-way ranged telluric test this Sunday, and we're finally getting in contact w/ Bruce Gavin who has some high-quality reception+report data from the last few years.
Remember, all of us have to balance school/work and experiments so some months are more amicable than others.
Quote from: Hakasays on 2023.01.25, 17:48:36
Everyone has their own style, but i think most here would agree that your character and content quality declines significantly when away-from-lab.
"
Most here", you don't know, and even if you did, it's not a reference. Because "
most here" don't understand much about physics, spend their time exchanging banalities as if they were secrets, congratulating each other for that, provide links often without direct relation to the subject nor relevance because they come from others like them or from crackpots like Bearden, or valid but misinterpreted, and they don't seem to me to have a high level of reflection on the scientific method, accepting anything for the sole reason it calls into question everything we know.
"
All here" minus "
most here", that leaves those with whom we can make progress, in a brainstorming.
New ideas never come from a consensus group, but from individuality. I am glad that the consensus opinion is, according to you, unfavourable to me. :)
Since we are in the humour thread, this is even a sign that I may be a genius, because: "
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." ;D ;D
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ux8AAOSwBXFjgVUJ/s-l1600.jpg)
Quote
As to your other question, our group has a 3-way ranged telluric test this Sunday, and we're finally getting in contact w/ Bruce Gavin who has some high-quality reception+report data from the last few years.
Remember, all of us have to balance school/work and experiments so some months are more amicable than others.
It is in the thread you opened on the subject that you should follow up.
Quote from: F6FLT on 2023.01.26, 09:30:32
It is in the thread you opened on the subject that you should follow up.
Normally I like to post results rather than plans, but I just posted an update so you can keep up with it. You're welcome to listen in on 1.86mc Sunday evening your time if you've got the equipment. O0
Also, posting obligatory meme to stay on-topic ;D
Quote from: Hakasays on 2023.01.26, 13:55:13
Normally I like to post results rather than plans, but I just posted an update so you can keep up with it.
...
Thanks for the detailed update (Imho if there is no plan or measurements, there is nothing to discuss, no need to talk about it. The principle diagram and plans should be posted first, even before construction, so that possible defects can be pointed out and discussed).
F6FLT
Quote"Most here", you don't know, and even if you did, it's not a reference. Because "most here" don't understand much about physics, spend their time exchanging banalities as if they were secrets, congratulating each other for that, provide links often without direct relation to the subject nor relevance because they come from others like them or from crackpots like Bearden, or valid but misinterpreted, and they don't seem to me to have a high level of reflection on the scientific method, accepting anything for the sole reason it calls into question everything we know.
Yes, bla bla bla we have all heard this broken record countless times before.
Do you have anything constructive to add to the conversation or are you just going to continue gaslighting everyone?.
I always thought Feynman had a cool sense of humour ...
https://bigthink.com/hard-science/richard-feynman/
Feynman always had a way of explaining complex problems simply. The sign of a true genius versus those trying to make everything more and more complex.
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023.01.26, 17:32:01
F6FLT
Yes, bla bla bla we have all heard this broken record countless times before.
...
Obviously it is not yet a fact understood and recognized. Repetition is a pedagogical method. :)
Quote
Feynman always had a way of explaining complex problems simply. The sign of a true genius versus those trying to make everything more and more complex.
That's right, but his courses remained inaccessible to the general public and to the "all here minus most here" I was talking about. Yet it is this kind of work that we need, not a popularization that is certainly useful to the general public but so simplified that even the person who receives it and thinks he understands it cannot claim that it is the science he understands. Between having fun with LC circuits and mastering Maxwell's equations, which are simple compared to the rest of physics, there is a very very big gap.
Eighth day
In the beginning was the world, man said: Let there be more light
Electric scenes and laser beams, neon brights the light abhorring nights
On the second day he said: Let's have a gas
Hydrogen and coal gas
Let's make some germs, we'll poison the world
Man will never be suppressed
And he said: Behold what I have done
I've made a better world for everyone
Nobody laugh, nobody cry
World without end, forever and ever
On the third we get green and blue for pie
On the fourth we send rockets to the sky
On the fifth make metal beasts and submarines
On the sixth man prepares his final dream:
In our image, let's make robots for our slaves
Imagine all the time that we can save
Computers, machines, the silicon dream
Seventh he retired from the scene
And he said: Behold what I have done
I've made a better world for everyone
Nobody laugh, nobody cry
World without end, forever and ever
On the eighth day machine just got upset
A problem man had never seen as yet
No time for flight, a blinding light
And nothing but a void, forever night
He said: Behold what man has done
There's not a world for anyone
Nobody laughed, nobody cried
World's at an end, everyone has died
Forever
He said: Behold what man has done
There's not a world for anyone
Nobody laughed, nobody cried
World's at an end, everyone has died
Yeah this was written about 40 years ago!
It is to continue this technical progress started with the beginning of humanity, which has always presented more advantages than disadvantages, that we need free energy.
My response to the anti-humanism of environmentalists:
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4411.0;attach=47047;image)
Quote from: F6FLT on 2023.01.29, 10:51:45
My response to the anti-humanism of environmentalists:
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What if we discovered how to reduce an environmentalist's carbon footprint to zero? ^-^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEddCLW3SM
>:-)
F6FLT
QuoteIt is to continue this technical progress started with the beginning of humanity, which has always presented more advantages than disadvantages, that we need free energy.
My response to the anti-humanism of environmentalists:
As a moderate environmentalist my objection isn't with all humans, not anti-humanism which is absurd. Just the ignorant or deranged ones trying to destroy this planets ecosystems which are responsible for keeping all of us alive. All the most intelligent people, more so scientists/physicists are very concerned about the environment.
On environmentalism the psychology is strange, the people who tend to object to environmentalism are generally over 50. They will be dead sooner than later and have little to lose but the younger generation who tend to care more about the environment have everything to lose. The answer seems simple enough, some of the older generation have lost there empathy for others which includes there children and grandchildren. As well, globally, the older population is growing faster than all other age groups.
The facts definitely support this notion.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/old-people-dont-care-about-climate-change_n_571a910ce4b0d4d3f7236a07
Quote"I don't care," 89-year-old American actress Cloris Leachman jokes in a new Earth Day video. "I'll be dead by then."
https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/do-younger-generations-care-more-about-global-warming/
QuoteFor example, 70% of adults aged 18 to 34 say they worry about global warming compared to 56% of those aged 55 or older.
Here's another humorous fact related to psychology. No anti-environmentalist has ever claimed they are moral or have empathy for others but also want to pollute our environment. This is true because it would be impossible not to come off as an asshole. In fact, I tried to push this point in all my conversations with these people and could see there anxiety. Not one person ever had the balls to even suggest they had any morality or empathy no matter how hard I pushed them. So it's pretty obvious that they know there an asshole but don't care what others think, I found that insightful.
It's cool, we know there are other bad people and criminals doing bad things all the time. It's just best not to associate or do business with them because at there core we know they cannot be trusted. It's a strange and wacky world...
AC
Personally
I am hard pressed to find a family person that does not care about planet and it's future
And most older persons I know are greatly troubled by the future generations options!
However... I don't rub elbows with the greed driven mentality...
This planet is a treasure...
IMO we are here to hopefully bring some options !
Just sayin ....
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023.01.29, 18:57:04
F6FLT
As a moderate environmentalist my objection isn't with all humans, not anti-humanism which is absurd. Just the ignorant or deranged ones trying to destroy this planets ecosystems
...
You may be a moderate environmentalist, but the speech you reproduce in the sentence above is not far from the usual propaganda of not particularly moderate environmentalists.
They have not yet understood or pretend not to understand that nature has already eliminated millions of species before man appeared on earth, that nature is not fixed and evolves, that it is absurd to want to fix it to what the current generation knows, that global warming is a blessing, all past warming corresponded to periods of prosperity for man, CO2 is good for vegetation and it has been much more abundant in past periods of the earth, finally that none of the apocalyptic forecasts concerning it is credible, climatology being still far from mastering the subject, all the past forecasts of the IPCC show it, which turn out to be false over 5 years.
The increase in longevity is the sign that pollution, which is relative, is only the counterpart to pay for much more important advantages.
Nobody wants to destroy the planet, that's what the environmentalists want us to believe in order to obtain power by designating scapegoats among their political opponents, especially the supporters of the liberal economy.
By refusing to allow developing countries to exploit their resources in order to obtain the same standard of living as developed countries, by restricting the exploitation of the planet's resources because plants, animals or even simple landscapes would count more than humans, they are in a Malthusian approach.
Rules, a few precautions, and a little political control over industry are enough to keep the planet sufficiently clean and compatible with human well-being, we don't need the totalitarian ideology of the green Khmers, now instrumentalized by the counterproductive so-called green industry.
The researchers here should know that most of the environmentalists are against free energy. They even look favourably on the increase in the price of energy because it reduces its use. They know perfectly well that clean, abundant and free energy would be the trigger for a tremendous development of the economy, industry and consumer society they hate. For them, ecology is only a pretext for exercising political power to control people for the benefit of their sole vision of the "planet". If they claim to speak for future generations, it is because they want to silence yours.
Quote from: Chet K on 2023.01.29, 19:55:45
Personally
I am hard pressed to find a family person that does not care about planet and it's future
And most older persons I know are greatly troubled by the future generations options!
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Absolutely. Everyone is aware of the problem and is acting accordingly, which is part of the progress of ideas as humanity has always done, and which will naturally pass to future generations. But some people try to use it now to achieve political power, by praising ecology while denying all other aspects of life on earth. They are dangerous.
F6FLT
Nice job and you touched on all the populist far right talking points...
1)The mean old environmentalists are going against animal instincts/evolution and the science is uncertain (unless it serves your talking point).
2)The mean old totalitarian, socialist, counter productive liberals are against progress and capitalism. Oh the tree hugging EV driving horror, lol.
3)The finale, the environmentalist hate people and want to silence them.
Well, if nothing else we know where you really stand. Your nuts my friend.
I have a much easier explanation for environmentalism. Intelligent people do not destroy the environment which they live in and depend on for there own survival. It's just hard to look intelligent while shitting in your own back yard, it's just not cool.
AC
@F6: ;D O0
Quote from: Renaissance Rising on 2023.02.01, 17:19:31
@F6: ;D O0
Would you say that the waterfall is the conservation of energy, and those who dive, the members of the "FE community"? ;D O0
Suit man is those who stress the importance of this work.
The boat people are the cynics..
Or perhaps the image is tilted 90°, the water is flowing backwards, and the suit man is just an illusion..
When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
8)
;D
:P
@Hakasays
One can perfectly well take g=10 or sin(x) = x for small values of x, if one only wants the order of magnitude of the result or a sufficient approximation for the intended application.
Why should we take 9.81 instead of 10, and not 9.806 65 instead of 9.81? It all depends on the desired precision and it cannot be arbitrarily fixed. A constant like g is never known with an infinite number of decimals, so this kind of approximation is always made.
The physicist is aware of the margin of uncertainty in the result and he is able to justify his approximations, that is why he can model a penguin by a cylinder. The basic FE researcher will model a coil by an inductance, but he will not be aware that there is also a capacitance between the windings or between the coil and the ground or that its impedance will vary with frequency if the frequency is too high. The trick is to understand what you are doing and to justify your approximations.
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4411.0;attach=47105;image)
Quote from: F6FLT on 2023.02.05, 08:45:52
@Hakasays
One can perfectly well take g=10 or sin(x) = x for small values of x, if one only wants the order of magnitude of the result or a sufficient approximation for the intended application.
Why should we take 9.81 instead of 10, and not 9.806 65 instead of 9.81? It all depends on the desired precision and it cannot be arbitrarily fixed. A constant like g is never known with an infinite number of decimals, so this kind of approximation is always made.
The physicist is aware of the margin of uncertainty in the result and he is able to justify his approximations, that is why he can model a penguin by a cylinder.
It's more of a subtle jab to the modern scientific belief that precision is equivalent to understanding.
* That extrapolating the age of the universe to within a few billion years gives us no better understanding of the mechanics of the Genesis known as 'Big Bang'.
* That we could know exactly how many neurons and synapses are in the brain and yet still have almost no clue how memories are formed and stored within them.
* That we could know the radioactive decay rate of every element in the periodic table yet not be able to predict the decay of any individual atom.
* That "Schroedinger's Cat" is as much a theological/philosophical observation as it is a scientific one. (for the Universe to exist it must have an observer?)
* That even with vast centuries of medical knowledge there is still room for occasional miracles to sneak in (spontaneous regression of cancers).
@Hakasays
Rather than a jab, when you're upset, you calm down and think.
You are claiming that what we know can be wrong, because we don't know everything. Complete nonsense.
Contrary to these followers of the FE who claim to know the secrets without ever producing it, scientists have never claimed that their knowledge was complete. Science will probably never be a total knowledge.
Worse than the religious who try to see God where science has not yet the answer, as in the origin of the big bang, you try to see the possibility of FE not only in the unknowns but in everything we know too since scientists would have everything wrong. This is really nonsense.
The Big Bang does not refer to an "initial instant" in the history of the Universe, it only says that the Universe has known an extremely dense and hot period, and this is only common sense: you just have to replay the evolution of the Universe in reverse, and you will find the Big Bang, in the same way that if you play a video in reverse you can see again the debris of an explosion that gathers.
Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment, not an assertion that we can ever have a cat in this state. In quantum mechanics, the maintenance of superposition states becomes impossible with macroscopic objects.
Scientific theories are obviously unknown to you except in name, like "big bang" or "relativity" or "quantum mechanics". Your interpretations of poor or misunderstood popularizations of science have nothing to do with scientific facts and theories. There is no logic in what you say, only appositions. And on top of that you use your misinterpretations to accuse scientists who know considerably more than you about all the subjects, including their own limitations.
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4411.0;attach=47127;image)
hakasays
Your joke about sustainable warfare pretty much sums up the contradictions were seeing everywhere.
I also like your dig on gravity. It's strange that some would want to calculate gravity to countless decimal points but still have literally no idea what gravity is. There would seem to be a complete lack of interest in what the Primary Fields (Electric, Magnetic and Gravic) are.
We claim to be scientifically and technologically advanced and yet apparently nobody has any idea what a field is. I mean, the Primary Fields are only the phenomena which dictate the actions thus energy of everything in the know universe. Nothing to see here, lol...
AC
Quote from: F6FLT on 2023.02.05, 15:56:55
The Big Bang does not refer to an "initial instant" in the history of the Universe, it only says that the Universe has known an extremely dense and hot period, and this is only common sense: you just have to replay the evolution of the Universe in reverse, and you will find the Big Bang, in the same way that if you play a video in reverse you can see again the debris of an explosion that gathers.
The joke being that knowing the date of the Big Bang down to the year still tells us nothing about the action(s) that led to it.
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023.02.05, 17:26:37
I also like your dig on gravity. It's strange that some would want to calculate gravity to countless decimal points but still have literally no idea what gravity is.
AC
Gravity is an even better example. Despite knowing the gravitational constant to 18 significant digits we know roughly as much about gravity as Newton. ;D
Quote from: Hakasays on 2023.02.06, 00:19:09
The joke being that knowing the date of the Big Bang down to the year still tells us nothing about the action(s) that led to it.
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The scientific theses do not tell anything to the ignorant, they would have to study them, and they already struggle to understand the popularization that is done.
When Mendeleïev realized his periodic table of elements, he was missing atoms, unknown at his time. But when you have a solid theory, you can question whether the observations are complete or correct. And you can predict realities. This is what Mendeleev did, aware of his intelligence, predicting still unidentified materials, besides specifying some of their properties. And these new atoms were found later.
Concerning the dark matter, I do not know the future, if it is the theory to be revised or if it really exists, but we doubted even the Higgs boson, and scientists have finally found it. So your comic doesn't hold up. On the other hand, with much more relevance, we can easily apply it to the FE!
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4411.0;attach=47143;image)
Quote from: F6FLT on 2023.02.06, 11:18:43
Concerning the dark matter, I do not know the future, if it is the theory to be revised or if it really exists, but we doubted even the Higgs boson, and scientists have finally found it. So your comic doesn't hold up.
Finding (or synthesizing?) subatomic particle does almost nothing to explain the mathematical placeholder known as dark matter. Rolls back to the same theme of the joke, that numerical precision can often feel like understanding. ;D
Of course the more recent discoveries is that the mathematical cludge doesn't even work consistently anymore:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2021/mystery-of-the-galaxys-missing-dark-matter-deepens/
Quote from: Hakasays on 2023.02.06, 14:16:46
Finding (or synthesizing?) subatomic particle does almost nothing to explain the mathematical placeholder known as dark matter. Rolls back to the same theme of the joke, that numerical precision can often feel like understanding. ;D
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I am not comparing subatomic particles with dark matter, but the method! this method consisting in saying since scientists have not found it, they will not find it.
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4411.0;attach=47165;image)
Sometimes you find words of wisdom in the weirdest places ;D ;D
Hakasays
QuoteFinding (or synthesizing?) subatomic particle does almost nothing to explain the mathematical placeholder known as dark matter. Rolls back to the same theme of the joke, that numerical precision can often feel like understanding.
Indeed and it feels like a kind of childish variation on the bandwagon fallacy.
To suppose that more of something such as popularity somehow makes something more correct. You see, I can add all these extra digits or equations which seems much more impressive therefor it's probably even more correct.
Thankfully science hasn't fallen into the same strange nonsense as the church with there...
1)Special white dress and fancy hat.
2)Own strange language with special terms, incantations and magical symbols few can understand.
3)Rely on populism and the perpetual victim hood of always being oppressed.
4)Hey and let's not forget the trillion dollar for profit industry related to something supposedly not for profit.
Oh wait, apparently I was wrong and the only thing science is missing is the funny hat. Perhaps we could have a hat contest for the scientists. Science the hell out of it like the multi million dollar toilet?.
AC
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4411.0;attach=47182;image)
The days go much better when your wife does not wake up to yell at you for tapping the aloe vera plant.
:P
Have you noticed that when you reproduce a FE setup, it never works?
That's because you don't use the magic formulas!
But I got the secrets from the inventors, here is the list. Try them, shout those charms loudly, and the OU will appear!
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4411.0;attach=47192;image)
Ohm my god ;D
Saw this on another forum.
Physics teacher just made his PHD and travelling home in the middle of the day, Happy, Relaxed.
In the middle of nowhere he sees a guy on the pasture, on his side of the highway, obviously in distress
doing something behind a animal, He stops, climbs the fence, goes to the farmer and ask if he can help.
The farmer says "If You could grab the cow on the collar and hold her down until I finish, the calf got stuck."
The fresh Prof says "I hold a PHD in Physics, I am sure I can hold a Cow!"
"Thanks good man", the farmer said.
After 3 minutes of pulling and sweating, the calf is out, the cow licks the now standing calf, the farmer says to the guy, who takes notes in his notebook,
"Please stay back a bit so the cow can calm down. Thanks again, You was a real help. Do You have any questions?"
"Everything is clear Sir! Just one question, How fast was the calf moving when it crashed into the cow?"
Kinda depends on your perspective doesn't it?
Made me LOL
Quote from: Renaissance Rising on 2023.02.20, 01:43:35
Made me LOL
Ya, losing internal metrical consistency means a constant's value can be more difficult (or impossible) to falsify. C.C
Those who make measurements to worse than 10%... when they make them, make fun of those who neglect the 0.0033% that 10 km/s is compared to the speed of light?
It is indeed very funny.
Quote from: F6FLT on 2023.02.21, 16:08:53
Those who make measurements to worse than 10%..
Referring to Dayton Miller or Michaelson-Morley's work? 10% sounds like a number pulled from thin-air. ^-^
Hakasays
QuoteYa, losing internal metrical consistency means a constant's value can be more difficult (or impossible) to falsify.
The old let's just round it to the value I like shtick is alive and well. Not unlike Maxwell's let's just ignore all the other theories, discoveries, anomalies and average everything to get the answer I want shtick. It's just incredible this pseudoscience was ever accepted.
Then when they found they could no longer explain or average some things anymore they just invented variable space-time. No need to average when they can just change the length of there inches and seconds to pound that damn square peg into the round hole, lol.
A person has to laugh at the absurdity of the things we do otherwise we would all lose it.
AC
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023.02.21, 20:58:28
Hakasays
The old let's just round it to the value I like shtick is alive and well. Not unlike Maxwell's let's just ignore all the other theories, discoveries, anomalies and average everything to get the answer I want shtick. It's just incredible this pseudoscience was ever accepted.
AC
Using ModernScienceTM logic: Michaelson-Morley experiments confirmed the existence of an aether wind and the discrepancy just means there is a second undetectable 'dark aether' that remains to be found. ;D ;D >:-)
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I like the jokes where the headline is its own punchline :P
lol
FYI,
For those still interested in "Excess Energy Devices" please be advised that the
"LinGen" and follow-on "Transversal Magnetic Device" development hopefully will
be moved to the Mooker Forum soon.
Lots of good stuff and exciting technical developments are still going on!
Have a good day... See you soon!
SL
Quote from: solarlab on 2023.10.05, 06:22:44
FYI,
For those still interested in "Excess Energy Devices" please be advised that the
"LinGen" and follow-on "Transversal Magnetic Device" development hopefully will
be moved to the Mooker Forum soon.
Lots of good stuff and exciting technical developments are still going on!
Have a good day... See you soon!
SL
Where is the "Mooker Forum"?
https://mooker.com/
Floodrods forum :Jim Mac at mooker ..amazing open source fellow
Quote from: Chet K on 2023.10.05, 11:58:02
https://mooker.com/
Floodrods forum :Jim Mac at mooker ..amazing open source fellow
Chet K,
Just curious - are you the same fellow that posts on the "OU" forum as ramset?
TIA,
SL
Yes
Email in profile since day one both forums
I believe also at Energetic forum too
Hi ramset/Chet K & All,
As most are aware, I have stepped back from the Public Forums.
A brief correspondance with Mooker, and my re-thinking of the
best way forward, have resulted in this new approach.
However, my "Excess Energy" developments continue and some
very good success has been achieved with the "LinGen" device
and the follow-on "Transverse Magnetic" design.
I am not leaving everyone "high and dry" but simply making a
"change in direction" at this time - for the better!
These will be highlighted in future (target) publications such as:
ANSYS ADVANTAGE - Simulation Powers Energy and Sustainability
https://www.ansys.com/advantage-magazine
PACWORLD - Protection Automation & Control World
https://www.pacw.org/
Create the Future - Design Contest (NASA Tech Briefs Magazine)
https://contest.techbriefs.com/
By publication of some comprehensive articles; my small but
substantial contribution towards a better energy future will be
provided through detailed technical explanations and examples.
Hopefully, Ramset/Chet K will notify these Forums of the publication
dates and links.
Best Regards, Good Luck in your endevours, and See You Soon!
SL
SL
QuoteI am not leaving everyone "high and dry" but simply making a
"change in direction" at this time - for the better!
Oh thank god, I was afraid all the nonsense you continually spam posted which amounted to nothing might end. I really enjoyed the distraction from any meaningful thought which might provide a way forward. Like reading the mindless drivel spouted on facebook or twitter now X which seems to be popular.
It's easy to spot the bullshit because at the end of the day nothing has changed. Its the same old shtick, the same old bullshit so spare us you rhetoric.
AC
So how does free energy work?. why does it work?, how could it work?, what mechanisms could be involved and in what way?.
When we ask a question we deserve a coherent answer, not some bs, not more questions or non-answers. When I ask a question I want a fucking answer not some gobbledygook otherwise we should look elsewhere. Yet many are afraid to ask questions because the paid shills in the forums have made that out to be a sign of weakness. As if science, questioning everything, is a fault or weakness. Yet we know the weakest people are always the most afraid of questions. It exposes there own ignorance not ours, so we must ask the hard questions and accept the answers.
Any less and were just following along, a sheep not an individual. I mean, who ever said I'm an individual and then blindly followed any loser who happened to cross there path... nobody.
To hell with everyone and the horse they rode in on, break the rules, mix it up, do your own thing. This is the way forward not following some dumb ass who can barely understand what has already been done. Own it...
AC