Martin Fleischmann memorial project hosted Malcolm Bendall's THOR reactor demonstration!
More info here
https://overunity.com/19595/build-guide-video-lenr-thor-plasmoid-thunderstorm-reactor-malcolm-bendall/msg583388/#new
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Chet K
EDIT for Comment below
Good to know you are here , I know you are a member ,thanks for reply ( pm (private message would have worked too 🙂
I am here. :)
Martin Fleischmann memorial project live stream SEM/EDS analysis of THOR samples
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CbwGT-jplxI
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Chet K
Transmutation verified?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Dk4pIYIs4
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Chet K
QuoteTransmutation verified?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Dk4pIYIs4
I would be skeptical for reasons which seem obvious to me.
This process uses exhaust gas re-circulation so any elements relating to the engine, fuel, combustion will appear on the intake side and plasma reformer.
1) H, O, Ca, Mg, Na, K from water.
2) Engine metals like Cd, Cr, Cu, Pb, Mn, Hg, Ni, Zn from the engine oil blowing by the rings and combusted/recirculated.
3) It's well known hydrocarbons like engine oil and fuels contain trace amounts of heavy metals and S, P, Si.
As well, from my plasma and radiant energy/matter experiments I learned plasma loves to tear materials apart and deposit it in other areas. For example, thermal plasma/pyrolysis is used to reform waste/garbage into there basic elements for separation. This is basic plasma tech 101 and I'm not sure how the people at THOR could have missed this.
The easy answer is all the elements/heavy metals came from the engine oil/fuel and cylinder/parts/bearings. It blew by the rings, entered the combustion stream and was recirculated back to the plasma reformer then deposited there.
AC
One important factor,
It is said that they are building 25 units to send out to universities and ?
For replication and investigation of claims.
I would imagine the scientists , professors and students will have a good time thoroughly
Analyzing the claims.
Personally... I hope they can find something to add to our knowledge base ,
or get a better understanding of This huge air quality improvement ( claim).
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Chet
Below is brief summary of ongoing ( as I type this) project ...shared by cloxxi at Stefan's forum ( after sifting through mounds of Raw data /posts from Bob at Martin Fleischmann memorial project.
End of year surprise
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gmsFi1dfUk0 ( ongoing )
Apparently Bob has been working at university in Taiwan for a month
Seeing unusual results and apparently they understand this enough to make predictions now ( about transmutation)
And university is able to prototype néw experiments ( "reactor" designs) at phenomenal rate !
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Well I guess Bob's a great consultant to the Taipei university
End quote
Note :
Also India's Mumbai university is receiving LENR sample from another reactor run tomorrow?
For evaluation ...
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Chet K
PS
Also seems a livestream was done on another....
?
https://www.youtube.com/live/kVo5YdCFZnw?si=9FWwrqjYcrTDLr7d&t=4780
Small scale bench top nuclear COLD fusion should be best done using the John Keely frequency physics of the late 1800's. His 42 new laws of vibrational physics allows for 2 masses to attract each other with certain ratios of harmonic frequencies. Even with same sign polarities of magnets. For example,-- vacuum generated in brass hollow sphere without pump suction or chemical ablation from inside unit. Exterior shell vibrated so as internal to external ambient is changed and reduced pressure inside. The air molecules condense. Our ambient zero on gauge is actually many lbs pressure, but science uses zero. Keely showed 51 inches vacuum on open mercury bath tray using open U shape tube Manometer gauge. Engineer, newspaper people, and investors were all present. This was just one of his many demonstrations. The Keely Motor Company was 5 Million dollars operation with over 100 devices, mechanisms. A summary of 3 Keely books, published about 1892, was called "The Snell Manuscript". See John Keely reference books. I was mainly interested in his easy generation of hydrogen and oxygen from water with an array of tuning forks and thermocouples/thermopiles wires of silver, gold, and platinum to the resonating test ball cavity. The nodes (junctions) generated multiples of upper frequencies. Mr. Keely was a metals' machinist, musician, inventor, con man and physics researcher of resonance phenomena. "Juxtaposed coherent aggregates vibrating in unison, or harmonic ratio, are mutually attracted.
Why has nothing concrete ever come out of John Keely's house?
Answer here https://www.wikiwand.com/en/John_Ernst_Worrell_Keely (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/John_Ernst_Worrell_Keely).
"John Ernst Worrell Keely (September 3, 1837 – November 18, 1898) was an American fraudster and self-proclaimed inventor from Philadelphia who claimed to have discovered a new motive power which was originally described as "vaporic" or "etheric" force, and later as an unnamed force based on "vibratory sympathy", by which he produced "interatomic ether" from water and air.
Keely secured substantial investments from many people, including John Jacob Astor IV. Despite numerous requests from the stockholders of the Keely Motor Company, which had been established to produce a practicable motor based on his work, he consistently refused to fully discuss the principles on which his motor supposedly operated, and also repeatedly refused demands to produce a marketable product by claiming that he needed to perfect his inventions. He became embroiled in several lawsuits, and after Keely's death evidence of his elaborate fraud was discovered... "
It's time to turn the page on the scams of the past that still inspire the naive.
F6
Yes Russ mentioned the con man reputation in his last sentence or two above .
Here a good question to some who may be close to this location?
Quote from comment section ( few days ago)
Are you going to make a trip to the site in Erith Dartford where one of Malcolm units has been fitted to a electric generator which is running on methane gas reclaimed from landfill
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I had seen a vid where this was being installed?
Would be interesting to read how this is performing?
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Chet
A new video from the fellow in Australia following the THOR project .
(Thanks to cloxxki for sharing )
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DrlL2N1A4GE
Also a live stream link From Martin Fleischmann memorial project
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6KkjBIKoM
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Chet K
One of the open source forums on the list here , is Merlib.org
Esarouho has been sharing Pantone vids and some recent ( relatively recent considering 1993 Pantone original info) 2017 from his brother David Pantone ,
https://www.merlib.org/node/10282
Also Esarouho has been sharing vintage Geet/Pantone vids
https://www.merlib.org/
To be clear there was scandal attached to Pantone..
Financial shenanigans..with investors.
That being said, it can be tested..
And Thor project is taking this to a more transparent open source investigation.
New Video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mGbobAttJIM
A pending announcement ?
Here some news ( thanks to our friend Cloxxi for passing it along.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-z12wCWG1c
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Chet K
Apparently the reactor effects carbon dating in some strange way ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p5jPpNnslQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KHMuiGR-dlg
Above links forwarded by member Cloxxki.
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Chet K
Quote from: Chet K on 2024.03.16, 22:08:40
A pending announcement ?
Here some news ( thanks to our friend Cloxxi for passing it along.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-z12wCWG1c
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Chet K
Thanks, Chet.
This is new also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHMuiGR-dlg
The proof of Carbon-14 just announced is great news as explained in the video.
Live stream listing "anomalies?" at Taiwan university .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Q_chXuLvs
Also Data comments and photos here : https://remoteview.substack.com/p/o-day-not-so-strange
Thanks to member cloxxki for sharing.
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Chet K
New "earth shattering findings "?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=sow8MMS1A8TTpJHN&v=6VFJuIpHckY&feature=youtu.be
Thanks to member cloxxki for the update
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Chet K
Amidst all these findings are there any groundbreaking demos? I have not seen any worth picking up the tools over.
The device keeps evolving.
It started off as a hybrid of the "Joe cell" and the "Pantone GEET"
See this earlier presentation for details. (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/63735cd7ea1d630935b81b96/t/6373cab4fde18779162e106d/1668532935591/THUNDERSTORM+GENERATOR_ATOMIC+ENERGY+FROM+WATER+PLASMOID+PROTIUM+POWER.pdf)
The current version has supposedly dispensed with the electrolyser - but still has the UV lamp and "bubbler".
The GEET was essentially a thermochemical water splitter, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermochemical_cycle) which relied on getting steel up to red heat. It is the same process that leads to the destruction of boiler tubes during "hydrogen fires", so is fairly well known amongst certain circles. Whether it results in an overall greater engine efficiency, without simply destroying components in the process, is difficult to tell from some of the short "investor demonstrations".
Guest editorial from Cloxxki
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-50824-8
Bin-Juine Huang and team (Director of New Energy Center, NTU) / Robert William Greenyer (Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project)
People used to get really excited when there were milliwatts of hypothetical "overunity" in play.
Shows the world that you can transmute atoms, get excess energy out, yet the wise men shrug their shoulders. There's not even the radiation that Marie Curie fatally encountered.
Under the electron beam microscope, we find corroboration of previous findings in similar research. Micron scale structures adhering to specific geometries, seemingly having birthed adjacent deposits of new fractals of various elements. We see carbon tubes seemingly having grown from attached spherical structures, if not growing from its own tip.
A wide range of minerals are found not originally part of the Huang/Greenyer study, including amongst other tin, iron, carbon, silver, etc. In the long term Bendall/ "Thunderstorm Generator" (TSG) run on natural gas, amongst other things Carbon-14 is found, "dated" to an "age" of 30,000 years. Highly anomalous to find so much Carbon-14, let alone of such an age.
What WOULD be impressive to the resident experts, if witnessing the birth of bioavailable minerals amid excess energy just doesn't quite get them excited? It's not as dialed as some alchemists claimed to have gotten it, but does that render the processes anything BUT alchemy?
alchemy
/ˈalkəmi/
noun
the medieval forerunner of chemistry, concerned with the transmutation of matter, in particular with attempts to convert base metals into gold or find a universal elixir.
"occult sciences, such as alchemy and astrology"
Silver is already found from an experiment using copper pipes and water, but that's not gold so...who cares?
"universal elixir", according to Oxford? Well, look at the wide range of bioavailable minerals found deposited to Huang's copper oxide pipe material... An (un)educated human would not be impressed, but an viral strain aspiring to be a one-cell organism might see it like the banquet worthy of a king?
In Huang's experiment, one of the copper pipes was found to have collapsed. Normally that would require 700 bars of pressure, or very high temperatures that were not occuring during the experiment. Something is going on when these Exotic Vacuum Objects are doing their thing. John Hutchison has seen objects lose all apparent mass, and become malleable like a caressed spoon.
Greenyer, on the electron microscope, finds structures adhering very accurately to Tesla's recommended geometry for a tower. Coincidence to be shrugged off, or something to look deeper into?
Malcolm Bendall may well be getting ahead of himself developing a theory of everything, but just because a forum commenter "doesn't see the big deal", doesn't mean it's all wrong and won't ever lead to deeper and more actionable insights.
Malcolm Bendall's Thunderstorm Generator (TSG) indeed reminds us of the GEET reactor, that had to be suppressed violently because it was just not going to amount to anything, I remember that one. Nested pipes, engine, fresher exhaust. Same difference, right? Sort of. GEET bubbled air through the fuel before sending it through the reactor, while TSG bubbles pre-ionized air, then through the reactor and the fuel comes in only just before combustion. Bendall insists that the reactor needs to be the nested pipes between nested spheres. I'm not convinced, but he does get results this way. I'd like to see a wide spectrum of amended setups to understand once more what GEET did and didn't do, and how its function differs from the pre-ionized air and straight fuel of TSG. Ultimately, I wonder whether there is something GEET did that could contribute to TSG. But perhaps the Exotic Vacuum Objects (EVO)/plasmoids just need to be introduced and it doesn't matter whether they came from bubbling water or fuel.
If the TSG gets certified, it totally wipes the establishments "carbon bogeyman" taxation programs. They believe carbon emission rising causes overall atmospheric temperatures to rise, and that that's a bad thing, and it's not actually the other way around, that high temperatures cause more bioavailable gaseous carbon to be supplied to flora. Some of us heard about the Jurassic and its dinosaurs in school. Everything green, everything big, right? We weren't told that CO2 levels were roughly 10x as high compared to now, when we suffer from deserts forming and crops bring too little harvest to feed us all.
Anyway, in many countries, carbon emissions are the new definition of evil and anti-green. Despite being actual bioavailable plant food, go figure. Politicians and interest groups...
With a TSG installed in your car or genset, the authorities will not be able to measure notable carbon emissions, just oxygen and the more atmospherically common nitrogen. No carbon, no need for taxed fuels. A huge difference for the world we're supposed to live in.
But it's not turning lead into gold with a "sim salabim" and double tap from a magic wand, so who would ever care, aye...?
I'll ask again, what WOULD impress the all-wise resident new energy enthusiasts? Where is the line drawn? Or is it a moving goalpost, like in every good marriage?
End editorial
See also an interesting " maybe" ?
"Water can trigger nuclear reactions to produce energy and isotope gases "( under discussion)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-50824-8
@Please Note
Topic closed to generic musings for the time being , as relevant data from actual labs and research facilities arrives
It will be updated (good or "bad")
All such Data is welcomed!
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Chet K
New video mentioning a demonstration at a conference?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ht3WzH1b5I
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Chet K
Quote from: Havercake on 2024.04.09, 14:22:55
The device keeps evolving.
It started off as a hybrid of the "Joe cell" and the "Pantone GEET"
See this earlier presentation for details. (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/63735cd7ea1d630935b81b96/t/6373cab4fde18779162e106d/1668532935591/THUNDERSTORM+GENERATOR_ATOMIC+ENERGY+FROM+WATER+PLASMOID+PROTIUM+POWER.pdf)
The current version has supposedly dispensed with the electrolyser - but still has the UV lamp and "bubbler".
The GEET was essentially a thermochemical water splitter, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermochemical_cycle) which relied on getting steel up to red heat. It is the same process that leads to the destruction of boiler tubes during "hydrogen fires", so is fairly well known amongst certain circles. Whether it results in an overall greater engine efficiency, without simply destroying components in the process, is difficult to tell from some of the short "investor demonstrations".
I have a history with this technology and built my first water vapor injection system in my teens over 40 years ago. Not a 5 minute run like in most video's but months of testing and operation. It does lead to greater efficiency, cleans the cylinders and allows leaner fuel air mixtures. After months of operation I had no issues with any of my engines and they were spotless on tear down. Here is another fact most people don't know about these systems. Because the combustion/engine temperature can be controlled these engines could last 10 times longer than expected. Heat buildup and overheated oil losing viscosity under load is what kills most engines.
I also built and tested the GEET setup. Most don't seem to understand what it does or the difficulties in getting it operating. In effect, we have maybe 20 control variables continually changing and the system doesn't work until all these variables are correct. This is why most backyard mechanics doing 10 minute runs can never get any results. I also found trying to manually adjust this system is about as productive as herding cats. The odds of getting everything right are near zero.
So I'm in the process of rebuilding and automating my GEET system to mirror Malcolm Bendall's setup. I also plan on testing a new fuel reactor which can basically reform household garbage like organics, plastic etc and waste oil. I mean if only 10% of waste is actually being recycled then I'm going to keep my waste and use it to my benefit. Keep it out of the landfills and generate some power and heat.
AC
X ray, transmutation.
A new reactor?
https://youtu.be/jolZlYXZkIA?si=B80wFUpXdURSL9o-
A direct "matter to energy drive "?
Lots more info in the video
Also there is a conference in The Carolina's (USA) in June !
Respectfully submitted.
Chet K
PS
Thanks to member cloxxki for links .
This bloke was doing his own tests and if he can't debunk will have it as conference next month. https://youtu.be/XyVKTJYxmnc?t=7266
From the Danny Jones Podcast
"" THE DISCLOSURE IS HAPPENING | It's real this time and EVERYBODY is talking about it""
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l_x8t8Fdgh8
I hope so ....
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Chet K
I'm looking forward to seeing a successful replication.
Quote from: Chet K on 2024.05.24, 19:19:34
"" THE DISCLOSURE IS HAPPENING | It's real this time and EVERYBODY is talking about it""
...
We've been hearing that for at least 25 years. Do you really believe that the truth is going to come from the conspiratorial word of an "alchemical" smooth talker who manipulates science through selections, interpretations and juxtapositions of interviews to make us believe in the marvellous and the magical, and feed his business?
It's like those fortune-tellers who are supposed to tell us the future. They tell the gullible what they want to hear, and the gullible are reinforced in their illusions because someone else is telling them what they themselves are dreaming.
It's not hard to keep superstitions alive.
Quote from: JimBoot on 2024.05.24, 21:46:28
I'm looking forward to seeing a successful replication.
That's the only reasonable attitude. I'm waiting too.
And if we could wait for it before talking about it, that would be even better.
COP 1.3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qfkziU4lTqI&t=339
Bin-Juine Huang - Discussion of his groups low-yield but easy to build system
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Chet K
The updates from the summit starting to present.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ6D2XBJbXM
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Chet K
Quote from: Chet K on 2024.05.29, 18:25:04
COP 1.3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qfkziU4lTqI&t=339
Bin-Juine Huang - Discussion of his groups low-yield but easy to build system
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Chet K
Correct URL without the time parameter. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qfkziU4lTqI
Jim
Thanks for above correction.
Here Member Cloxxki shared a new Vid on a replication installed in a vehicle ...
(55 Chevy truck)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hqBgVVfitmU
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Chet K
Start of Build guide for THOR
Thunderstorm Generator DIY Build Guide v2 | Part 1: The "Ioniser" and "Bubbler" (Plasmoid Generator)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq9O4QeeY-8
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Chet K
Update video from Australia
"" Introduction to Malcolm Bendall's Thunderstorm Generator (Plasmoid / MSAART Technology)""
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zrHdz5yMjBI
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Chet K
Cloxxki shared this yesterday
Seems LENR forum exploring transmutation and some small experiments
Showing "evidence "?
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/7255-tibi-s-exploration-of-high-current-sparks/?pageNo=3
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Chet
Shared by an intrigued researcher ( on the topic (Bob Greenyer ))
Some comments from presenter meander a bit ....?
However,
at 8:40 mark it starts on topic and at 17:26 mark begins the "interesting "
Experiments...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=79vQNjscX3c
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Chet K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frk_DWdKi28
Thunderstorm Generator goes into mass production??
Chet K
Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frk_DWdKi28
Thunderstorm Generator goes into mass production??
It's weird so many supposed experts cannot seem to understand something this simple.
We could think of it this way, an average well tuned gas engine can run at 30% efficiency. This means 70% of the energy in the fuel goes straight out the exhaust pipe as heat. 70% of the energy input being wasted should have been our first clue 99% of people are not experts. For example, a stationary Combined Heat and Power unit can operate at up to 95% efficiency by using the waste heat. So the next question is how can we use this wasted energy to increase the efficiency.
The obvious solution is to transform some of the exhaust heat into a different more usable form of energy.
For example, in the video they claim a 40% improvement in efficiency which isn't bad. However we can do the same thing by using a water injected six stroke engine with a waste heat turbine-generator on the exhaust.
It's not rocket science... stop blowing 70% of the energy out the freaking exhaust, lol.
Here an experiment which should really not be possible?
Closed room ICE ?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JTVLMXx6jP8&list=TLPQMDQxMDIwMjWIWZwrm7nXRA&t=366s&pp=2AHuApACAQ%3D%3D
Patent:
"Low Energy Nuclear Reactor"
Inventor: Pearl Rayms-Keller Michael S. Lowry Stacy R. Barker
Current Assignee: US Department of Navy
Status: Abandoned :o
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20210090752A1/en
Sergh
Was speaking with an Engine expert ( member here) today,
We're going to try to get one of these reactors for testing..etc etc
And hopefully ...? Data log if possible with "sniffer".
Thanks for info
Here your expired patent link again .
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20210090752A1/en
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Chet
PS
Here another "production " update from various principals
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7mluWDJrdiM
Edit for AC comment below
Yes Pantone's GEET work has always been mentioned (early on ), however the transmutation claims and alleged supporting
Electron beam microscope work seems an addendum ... and perhaps shape of "reactor" and its association with
Transmutation "process "
Malcolm Bendall makes some interesting claims ( and yes has an interesting history )
Chet
QuoteWas speaking with an Engine expert ( member here) today,
We're going to try to get one of these reactors for testing..etc etc
Cool, I am also an expert in Energy, Energy conversion and internal combustion. If you guys have any questions I can try to answer them.
On the GEET, I built and tested it which is almost identical to the THOR technology. It's not LENR and the actual process was invented in the 1950's. It's a combination of a Plasma Fuel Reformer and a water vapor/Steam Fuel Reformer ie. cracking process.
Plasma fuel reformer, A plasma fuel reformer is a technology that converts hydrocarbons, such as natural gas or biogas, into synthesis gas (syngas), which consists of hydrogen and carbon monoxide.
Steam fuel reformer, Steam reforming or steam methane reforming is a method for producing syngas by reaction of hydrocarbons with water.
Syngas, or synthesis gas, is a mixture primarily composed of hydrogen and carbon monoxide, often containing carbon dioxide and methane.
In effect, we use the waste exhaust heat to reform the fuel into much smaller molecules which burn much faster and more efficiently ie. 40% increase in efficiency. This is basically the same supposed process as the 100mpg carburetor. So the energy comes full circle, the waste heat output is used to reform the fuel input increasing efficiency.
Has anyone read the GEET patent and connected the dots with know processes?. Paul Pantone literally said this is a plasma fuel reformer in his patents. Has anyone actually read the patent?...
Quote from: Chet K on 2025.10.06, 16:36:05
Sergh
Thanks for info
Here your expired patent link again .
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20210090752A1/en
Several specifics about this patent caught my attention.
First, it's a review of the LENR technologies the inventors believe are working.
Second, it's a patent holder:
QuoteCurrent Assignee: US Department of Navy
Third, it uses substances with unusual properties:
QuoteThe ignitor device may be an electromagnetic device or a mechanical device such a percussion device to trigger a fulminant, e.g., sodium (Na) or copper(II) azides (Cu(N3)2). The ignitor device provides a burst of energy to the exothermic ignition material to start an exothermic reaction that delivers heat to the LENR fuel across the first external wall of the first vessel. According to an exemplary device herein, a volume of LENR (low energy nuclear reaction) fuel is disposed in a first chamber.
Quote-Plasma fuel reformer, A plasma fuel reformer is a technology that converts hydrocarbons, such as natural gas or biogas, into synthesis gas (syngas), which consists of hydrogen and carbon monoxide.
-Steam fuel reformer, Steam reforming or steam methane reforming is a method for producing syngas by reaction of hydrocarbons with water.
-Syngas, or synthesis gas, is a mixture primarily composed of hydrogen and carbon monoxide, often containing carbon dioxide and methane.
Now that we have established the fact that the GEET/THOR uses a plasma/steam fuel reformer process to break large fuel molecules into smaller ones as Syngas we can go to the next step.
We now have Syngas which burns much faster and more efficiently than other fuels. However we still have the pre-detonation problem. Direct injection engines cannot pre-detonate the fuel because it is injected at the top of the compression stroke. However a hot cylinder with fuel/air in it can pre-detonate/ping on compression with lean mixtures.
So in order to run more efficient super lean fuel/air ratios we simply add water vapor to the intake. The water vapor flashes into steam at 100 C which cools the cylinder preventing pre-detonation. We can literally run any super efficient lean fuel/air ratio and never pre-detonate. The exhaust temperature is also much cooler and cleaner as claimed in the GEET/THOR. In my GEET setup I could add more water vapor and see exhaust temperatures down near 150 C as both GEET/THOR claimed.
This also explains the THOR claim that the exhaust is cooler, cleaner and can be run in a closed space for a short period just like the GEET. It's kind of comical once we understand what's actually going on. You see, much of the exhaust runs through the water bubbler which scrubs/absorbs most of the CO2. In fact Paul Pantone claims this in his patent. He also claims when the water bubbler absorbs the CO2 it produces excess O2. This happens because the CO2 is converted into carbonic acid in the bubbler and stays there. It's literally a CO2 scrubber, lol. So the acidic bubbler water must be replaced periodically. THOR seems to have omitted this fact or do not understand what's actually happening.
So it's really easy to reproduce the THOR claims, I have already done it when testing my GEET setup.
Blimey.... The principal of improving Hydrocarbon based fuels has been around for over a century....
Grumage
QuoteBlimey.... The principal of improving Hydrocarbon based fuels has been around for over a century....
Thanks, being old school I love those old pictures.
In fact, plasma reformers/gasifiers are just a new spin on good old heat gasifiers ie. pyrolysis. "Pyrolysis is a process involving the separation of covalent bonds in organic matter by thermal decomposition within an inert environment without oxygen".
Gasification/pyrolysis aka the Fischer–Tropsch process was invented in the early 1900's and used during WW1 and WW2 due to fuel shortages.
If were ever in a pinch we can make bio-diesel from basically any organic material using pyrolysis. Bio-diesel and basically any liquid fuel work well in a GEET setup for power and heat (CHP). In fact, the GEET setup was one of the few devices I found which will burn waste oil efficiently and clean.
Noticed a comment on Thor Generator
Quote
I don't thing the Thunderstorm Generator has fuel flowing through it at all. AFAIK it only has water mist and air flowing through its inner core which is heated by the exhaust flowing outside of it ...and the two never get mixed like in EGR schemes. That transformed air and water is mixed with the fuel after it exits the T. generator (e.g. mixing happens inside the cylinder after fuel injection).
Also, the exhaust contains more neon than the air and fuel inputs, which hydrocarbon cracking simply cannot do.
End quote
Main stream verification of Malcolm Bendal's Thunderstorm generator !
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K_ndSKXQQMM
Respectfully submitted
Chet
AllCanadian made some observations regarding GEET
Another researcher who also built the GEET strongly agrees with AllCanadian on it being a similar operating principle
Here GEETS creator Paul Pantone giving a Demonstration ..
making very similar comments to Malcolm Bendall.
honestly I remember the Demonstrations back then
And when I heard Transmutation it was a big turn off LENR
How could this be possible?
And now there seems investigations into those exact claims are going to be happening in many universities and research Facilities with the similar MO thunderstorm generator.
GEET is much easier to build from existing resources ( no special fabrication)
Here Malcolm's design
vid test data ( data sprinkled throughout video )
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K_ndSKXQQMM
Seems a comparison is in order ....
Separate build topic ?...if it happens here ( me too)
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Chet
Here a File shared by another open source associate regarding Neon appearing in the TGen
Snip from PDF
OPEN
Water can trigger nuclear reaction
to produce energy and isotope
gases
Bin‑Juine Huang
1,2,6*, Yu‑Hsiang Pan
2, Po‑Hsien Wu
2, Jong‑Fu Yeh
2, Ming‑Li Tso
2
,
Ying‑Hung Liu
2, Litu Wu
2, Ching‑Kang Huang
2, I‑Fee Chen
2, Che‑Hao Lin
2, T. R. Tseng
3
,
Fang‑Wei Kang
3, Tan‑Feng Tsai
3, Kuan‑Che Lan
4, Yi‑Tung Chen
5, Mou‑Yung Liao
2,6, Li Xu
6
,
Sih‑Li Chen
6
& Robert William Greenyer
7
This paper reports the discovery that water can trigger a peculiar nuclear reaction and produce
energy. Cavitation may induce unusual reactions through implosion of water vapor bubbles. Many
of this research has been published formally or informally. We have conducted experiments using
two reactor types made from multiple-pipe heat exchanger and found that the heat exchange
process of water produces peculiar excess heat and abnormally high pressure leading to rupture of
the reactor. Recently, we have tested another eight reactors. Interestingly, these reactors produce
non-condensable gas. We suspected that they include 22Ne and CO2. We used a mass spectrometer
(MS) to analyze 14 gas samples collected from 8 reactors, including ten samples showing a coefficient
of performance COPx
>
1.05 (with excess heat) and four having COPx
<
1.05 (without excess heat).
Several methods were adopted to identify the gas content. For CO2 identification, two methods are
employed. For 22Ne identification, three methods are employed. All the results confirm that isotope
22Ne and regular CO2 really exist in the output gas from reactors determined to have excess heat. We
conjecture a possible mechanism to produce 22Ne and CO2 and find out that 12C and isotope 17O are
the intermediate. They finally form isotope gases containing 17O, including H2O-17 (heavy-oxygen
water), isotope O2 (16O–17O), and isotope CO2 (12C–16O–17O). In the excess heat producing reactors,
all these gasses were detected by MS in the absence of 20Ne and 21Ne. The observed isotope gases
produced from reactors having excess heat verifies that water can trigger a peculiar nuclear reaction
and produce energy.
Review of peculiar phenomena observed in heat exchange process of water
Possible energy production via water cavitation has been noted for a long time. It was occasionally reported
formally or informally that cavitation of water may induce some form of reaction by way of implosion of water
vapor bubbles which produces excess energy1–10
.
We have conducted experiments using two reactors made from concentric multiple-pipe heat exchanger and
found that, when water is flowing through a tiny space and heated, it produces peculiar excess heat probably by
cavitation and dynamic implosion of nanobubbles11. Water used in the experiments is the city water filtered by
reverse osmosis (RO) filter.
The first reactor (VCS)11 is a triple-pipe heat exchanger (THX) (about 30 meter long) using R22 vapor from
a freon compressor (3 kW input) as the heat source to heat the pressurized water (about 21 bar) flowing through
a tiny channel of THX, about 2 mm gap. The water flow can be controlled as a pulse flow, about 2 to 10 cycles
per minute, through a control valve. VCS was developed for 2 years with several modifications11. The inlet water
temperature varied between 10 and 55 °C at average flowrate around 1.2 liter/min. The compressor outlet tem-
perature varied around 150–160 °C. Modification of VCS-1, VCS-2a, VCS-2b, VCS-2c, VCS-3 includes the change
1ChairIn
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Respectfully submitted
Chet
Thanks for that Chet.
Reminds me of my centraflow heat exchange patent, 97% efficient, similar principle for transfering heat from hot water to cold water instantly. ^-^
ChetK
QuoteAnother researcher who also built the GEET strongly agrees with AllCanadian on it being a similar operating principle
Here GEETS creator Paul Pantone giving a Demonstration ..
making very similar comments to Malcolm Bendall.
honestly I remember the Demonstrations back then
And when I heard Transmutation it was a big turn off LENR
The GEET and copy cat THOR is very similar to the Schauberger/jay harman lily impeller imo.
In the pictures below we can clearly see jay harman didn't invent anything and his supposed lily impeller is a copy of Schaubergers vortex impeller. Don't get me wrong I think it's wonderful jay harman has replicated schaubergers work I just think credit should be given where credit is due. In fact, if we watch a few of harmans video's we find he is literally repeating all schaubergers theories verbatim but never mentions the real inventor, Viktor Schauberger, by name.
QuoteHow could this be possible?
And now there seems investigations into those exact claims are going to be happening in many universities and research Facilities with the similar MO thunderstorm generator.
GEET is much easier to build from existing resources ( no special fabrication)
In fact, the copy cat phenomena happens all the time. I'm in a different situation than most and having a photographic memory I knew immediately THOR was clearly a copy of the GEET. The same layout, the same claims, the same language and the same theory.
So in the THOR setup the UV light is a red herring and does nothing. The same for the THOR spheres on the ends of the GEET plasma tube. These were only added to change the appearance and avoid patent conflicts imo. The only thing I find amazing is that very few if any have figured out how and why the plasma tube actually works yet. Analyzing Bendall's language he obviously doesn't know anything, imo. My guess is he threw in a bunch of spiritual/sacred geometry/ quantum mumbo jumbo to distract everyone and it seems to have worked. However if we break down the basic layout and theory... it's just a modified GEET.
In fact, the GEET patents are magnitudes more informative than anything Bendall has said to date, imo.
We could also learn a thing or two not from what we see but what we don't.
For example, in the GEET and THOR both use a bubbler section with water and a plasma tube. On the GEET the UV light and spherical ends on the plasma tube are missing therefore we can assume they are not required. However the bubbler section and plasma tube remain therefore we can assume they play some role in the process. We can also see water or the properties inherent in water are used in a majority of these kinds of devices.
In fact, Viktor Schauberger also spoke at length about the properties of water to reform coal into a gas and scrubbing CO2 from air to produce hydrocarbon fuels similar to how a tree works.
We can then look at other systems and start comparing what is present and common to other devices and what is missing. This relates to first principals and removing what doesn't matter and concentrating on what does. As we keep reducing the number of components which do not matter we get closer and closer to the primary operating principal common to all these devices which is the answer were looking for.
EDIT
I see I was posting at the same time as your above post..
>:(AC
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The only thing I find amazing is that very few if any have figured out how and why the plasma tube actually works yet.
End quote
Since we're actually gearing up to test a replication,
perhaps you could share your thoughts on how the plasma tube is actually causing transmutation... since we also have the ability or will have the ability to test this transmutation. (It's actually the purpose of getting involved (ultimately)).
Also
I think it would behoove us to build a GEET reactor ( me too)
And do a comparison ...even side-by-side would be amazing in real time
and then test the samples for transmutation. This would be amazing ...to clear Paul Pantone's name (at least as it applies to the claim.)
Thoughts ??
(how about that plasma? Can you share what it takes to "do what it do" ? ( how and why it works?
Respectfully
Chet K
It is not a given that these GEET, THOR or Thunderstorm generators work on the same principle.
Their dismissal as simple hydrocarbon cracking devices is superficial considering this paper (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4544.0;attach=54202).
If in fact the exhaust gas contains significant amounts of Neon-22 then this should not be ignored.
Earth's atmosphere contains 1.68ppm of Neon-22 by volume and 1.17ppm by mass, so if one finds 0.1% of it in the exhaust gas then it is a big deal that cannot be explained simply by cracking.
Testing for its presence requires a gas chromatography machine.
If one is not available on-site near the engine/generator then a vacuumed gas sampling vial can be used to capture the exhaust gas and carry/mail it to the chromatography machine.
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4525.0;attach=54249)
Glass gas sampling vial with a vacuum adapter.
ChetK
QuoteSince we're actually gearing up to test a replication,
perhaps you could share your thoughts on how the plasma tube is actually causing transmutation... since we also have the ability or will have the ability to test this transmutation. (It's actually the purpose of getting involved (ultimately)).
I want to say more but have restrictions on what I can talk about personally and professionally. This is also advanced technology which is problematic with global implications.
However I could talk about an example of excess energy relating to transmutation. Consider Viktor Schaubergers power generation devices. We suck some water up a central pipe and it falls down spiral or twisted copper tubes. The water then sprays through nozzles like a turbine against an iron ring on the perimeter. The reaction force of the water leaving the nozzles spins the device supposedly generating an excess force which turns a generator.
Any Engineer or physicist would tell you this cannot be done because the energy to lift the water to the top is the same as the energy generated by the falling water minus losses. It cannot work because the mass-velocity of the rising water is equal to the mass-velocity of falling water minus losses. To simplify this notion even more it's no different than lifting a bucket of water then trying to do work as the bucket of water falls. These are the kinds of gross generalizations or lumped sum oversimplifications many often use.
However I want you to think about my next question for a moment before proceeding, what if the water falling through the spiral tubes got heavier?.
As in "Heavy Water" or 2H2O often used in nuclear reactors, can be produced through electrolysis and is 10% heavier than normal water. Now, if we wanted to use a gross generalization as many often do our falling bucket of water just got 10% heavier. Oh dear, now we have problems don't we?. More so if large unrestricted volumes of water moving at high velocity described by Viktor Schauberger were used. Here the first word which comes to mind is transmutation. Trans (across, beyond), Mutation (to change or alter). To change or alter the properties of something different to that of it's prior state.
I like these kinds of "thought experiments" because it tends to have a snowball effect on innovation. Learn one new thing and this leads to ten new concepts which then leads to 100 new things and so on.
Which also begs the question how many might has guessed heavy water and transmutation might be involved... the answer is basically zero.
Here a "live" demonstration/comparison of thunderstorm generator and unmodified identical generator
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KTzDKpqU7-k
Just a note:
trying to arrange a similar side by side comparison of Paul Pantone's GEET
And hopefully testing similar claims of transmutation and plasma "events" in the GEET?
Plan on working on these tests in conjunction with principals of the original GEET system?
The GEETS simplicity of replication with readily available "over the counter" components being one big reason...
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Thanks to Member Cloxxki for helping to arrange this GEET test !
4: 55 minute mark in this video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yel2uuHrtaQ
Asks if others have seen the video of the big genset running the thunderstorm gen system at a London landfill?
Apparently small "lightning flashes"from raindrops on generator during a rainstorm ( there's another video apparently?)
Implies it looks like cavitation ( photon release) flashes similar to pistol shrimp cavitation events in water ...
And some vortices after ...?
Respectfully submitted
Chet K
Ps
Above relatively short clip at 4:55 referencing "lightning or ?" Is reason I posted this..
Trying to get the video which he "George?" Referenced from Big thunderstorm genset at landfill in London ( running off of landfill gasses for cogen and reclamation
Here a "walk around" of a replication
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=opDu8lt106w
Quote from: Chet K on 2025.10.26, 12:28:44
Here a "walk around" of a replication
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=opDu8lt106w
Chet, I viewed all 3 of the videos you linked above - thanks for these!
One thing I'm surprised at is that none of these show measurements leading to an evaluation of Pout/Pin (COP).
That is not too difficult -- for example, one measures the output power for say 30 minutes compared to the amount of fuel used (and putting all into the same units of power or energy, e.g., Eout/Ein).
PhysicsProf
QuoteOne thing I'm surprised at is that none of these show measurements leading to an evaluation of Pout/Pin (COP).
That is not too difficult -- for example, one measures the output power for say 30 minutes compared to the amount of fuel used (and putting all into the same units of power or energy, e.g., Eout/Ein).
Indeed, that's the first thing I noticed.
I was thinking about this the other day. The first thing I would do is show the efficiency (Eout/Ein), inlet temperature vs exhaust temperature, inlet gasses (O2, CO2, CO) vs exhaust gasses.
It's also interesting to note the GEET claimed to raise efficiency and reduce emissions but the patent claim was as a fuel reformer. Most engines require a specific fuel where in my GEET setup it could atomize and combust literally any liquid organic material. For example, it could burn waste oil just as easily as gasoline or diesel fuel. This is where the GEET really shines imo.
On the GEET and THOR O2 measurement, many people find the higher O2 baffling but it's actually very easy to understand.
In combustion equipment like a furnace or boiler we add enough air to the fuel so we get a clean burn. If the flame is sporadic and light blue too much air, a steady blue flame just right and orange or orange tips too much fuel. The air added beyond that needed for complete combustion is called "excess air".
As we can clearly see in the THOR setup were adding air from the bubbler after the carburetor. This is excess air beyond the standard fuel-air setting of the carburetor so in fact we should see a much higher O2 on the exhaust.
We could then ask why the leaner fuel air mixture (more excess air) isn't pre-detonating?. It's because the water vapor from the bubbler is cooling the fuel-air charge and moderating the cylinder temperature. Most people never see high O2 on the engine exhaust because the electronics won't allow it or they have never experimented on or understand lean burn engines like myself. So I found all the excitement about excess O2 in the exhaust kind of funny as I was doing this kind of stuff 40 years ago.
In other words, we moderate the combustion temperature with water vapor to prevent pre-detonation so we can run super lean with lots of excess air and/or O2. Nothing to it.
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2025.10.28, 16:42:23
On the GEET and THOR O2 measurement, many people find the higher O2 baffling but it's actually very easy to understand.
In combustion equipment like a furnace or boiler we add enough air to the fuel so we get a clean burn. If the flame is sporadic and light blue too much air, a steady blue flame just right and orange or orange tips too much fuel. The air added beyond that needed for complete combustion is called "excess air".
As we can clearly see in the THOR setup were adding air from the bubbler after the carburetor. This is excess air beyond the standard fuel-air setting of the carburetor so in fact we should see a much higher O2 on the exhaust.
We could then ask why the leaner fuel air mixture (more excess air) isn't pre-detonating?. It's because the water vapor from the bubbler is cooling the fuel-air charge and moderating the cylinder temperature. Most people never see high O2 on the engine exhaust because the electronics won't allow it or they have never experimented on or understand lean burn engines like myself. So I found all the excitement about excess O2 in the exhaust kind of funny as I was doing this kind of stuff 40 years ago.
In other words, we moderate the combustion temperature with water vapor to prevent pre-detonation so we can run super lean with lots of excess air and/or O2. Nothing to it.
You have explained that very well and is "in my opinion" exactly what is happening.
The little "thunder storms" is the same that happens with ANY heat and humidity enclosed in an area. This also happens at the NASA assembly plant in Florida, s
pecial climatic conditions.
Many thanks for comments !
Here an earlier vid where the big ( Thor modified) generator in London is being discussed
And George Lush (high end metal treatment company) who made the 24" sphere within a sphere ( 24 outside 18 inches inside)
Addendum:above spheres were mild steel not stainless steel as "production " Thor units being sold now through various countries and vendors..
He Talks about a few things which shocked him ..about 2-3 minutes in
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Icew8R-VWSY
Honestly I'm still trying to grasp the difference between the GEET and Thunderstorm ...
Seems super heating water and pulling a vacuum are shared attributes
This magnetic anomaly seems shared
The "ION" charge (UV lightbulb) in TS ?
However the GEET seems to have difficulty getting the oxygen level to where THOR seems to flourish or
Easily replicated ...
* add
The Thor genset in London was the one where Mr.Lush referenced a plasma ( "pistol shrimp ") event in a rainstorm
With a video of raindrops striking the Thor unit and implosions and explosions and light flashes with vortices ...
At 4:55 mark he mentioned in this vid ( post #58 above
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yel2uuHrtaQ
Still haven't found that above mentioned video...
EDIT
However
Here from Martin Fleischmann memorial project
Images of "coherent Matter traveling waves" outside
And " re entering " spheres during operation..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B7qZl9Dhp1g
Here something perhaps a bit off topic for typical contributions ( in this thread )
However...
Bob Greenyer's ( and many others ) recent "Cosmic Summit" meeting.
Here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OkCDDbaWLXM
Respectfully submitted
Chet K
Test Data on 8kw diesel retrofit of THOR reactor ( gen had 2kw load during test)
Data at 8 minutes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgbX89gO59s
Respectfully submitted
Chet K
I was musing about the demonstration. Obviously not having a scientific background some of the terminology sounded a bit hocusy-pocusy to me. It made me wonder if the plain admission of steam ( at normal atmospheric pressure ) into the inlet manifold could have the same effect on emissions? Sadly I don't have a Diesel generator here to play with.
Regards Graham.
Quote from: Grumage on 2026.02.13, 11:05:27
I was musing about the demonstration. Obviously not having a scientific background some of the terminology sounded a bit hocusy-pocusy to me. It made me wonder if the plain admission of steam ( at normal atmospheric pressure ) into the inlet manifold could have the same effect on emissions? Sadly I don't have a Diesel generator here to play with.
Regards Graham.
Definitely a good thing to check 👍
Hopefully an inexpensive exhaust analyzer can be sourced ( I believe they are coming way down in price.
Quote from: Chet K on 2026.02.12, 17:43:06
Test Data on 8kw diesel retrofit of THOR reactor ( gen had 2kw load during test)
Data at 8 minutes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgbX89gO59s
Respectfully submitted
Chet K
From what I can see the results look pretty normal. Excess O2 produces less CO, CO2, HC and moderating the combustion temperature with water vapor reduces the NOx. I was playing around with this stuff 40 years ago and from what I can see these are basically textbook results. However what we do not see is the efficiency of the system.
The efficiency is a problem because the water absorbs 2257 kj/kg of energy when it flashes into steam which travels right out the exhaust pipe unless recaptured. This is why the GEET sent part of the exhaust back to the bubbler to condense the steam and recapture some of the lost energy. So reducing emissions like the THOR is super easy just add more air and water however also increasing the efficiency like the GEET is a completely different beast.
It's not rocket science and in a normal engine 60 to 70% of the energy is completely wasted as heat out the exhaust pipe. This heat energy must be transformed and sent back to the engine or used in an external system like heating hot water or your house.
Here member Cloxxki sent information on a recent Bob Greenyer interview
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8dfpmz73--Q
Respectfully submitted
Chet K
Malcolm Bendall and a teaser on the plasmoid tech!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gSHOwZNhe94
Quote from: Chet K on 2026.04.06, 15:01:46
Malcolm Bendall and a teaser on the plasmoid tech!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gSHOwZNhe94
The first problem I see is that they were trying to compare an engine which was at operating temperature running at constant RPM to a different cold start engine. A fair comparison would use two identical engines with the same load at operating temperature.
In fact, most vehicles do not need a catalytic converter or other emissions systems when up to temperature at normal RPM. The catalytic converter just catches un-burned fuel on cold starts then burns off the hydrocarbons into CO2 once up to temperature. It's the un-burned fuel as CO, methane and particulate matter on cold start were trying to avoid. The CO and methane are much worse green house gasses than CO2.
This is where the GEET really shined because most of the exhaust was routed through the water bubbler on start up which acted like a water scrubber absorbing the cold start hydrocarbons. Later once the engine was up to temperature these unburned hydrocarbons were sent to the intake and combusted. So a $5000 catalytic converter was replaced by a simple water bubbler, genius.
What about the Neon enrichment of the exhaust gasses ?
Quote from: Verpies on 2026.04.07, 16:34:24
What about the Neon enrichment of the exhaust gasses ?
I find your response a little strange. Of all the technical aspects we could talk about to move the conversation forward you chose the one component which means little if nothing.
Many people seem to do this and I'm not sure why. I found sometimes what people don't say can give us more insight than what they do. In any case I have no interest in a neon bulb and the plasma reactions are where all the real action takes place.
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2026.04.08, 15:15:15
In any case I have no interest in a neon bulb...
So don't put it in a bulb. The mere presence of Neon in the exhaust gas in such proportions is anomalous. It constitutes only 0.00127% of air by mass.
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2026.04.08, 15:15:15
I find your response a little strange. Of all the technical aspects we could talk about to move the conversation forward you chose the one component which means little if nothing.
IMO it is the most interesting piece of evidence that cannot be explained by chemical reactions nor conventional phenomena.
Just because you cannot explain it does not mean that it means little or nothing.