Cool joule ss/ssg - Another view

[Slider2732]

Just a note - there's talk on the main forum of this topic about LED's and solar.

Yep, uA oscillators run great when solar powered through an LED.
I/R send or receive LED's will work, from remote controls say. For their size, the I/R LED's do as good a job as solar calculator panels.
Different colours of LED work better than others. Whites do well, greens too. Ultrabrights seem to work best of all.
Heat can positively improve the running of such an oscillator. Here's an example, where I heated the I/R LED powered Ha'Penny and the oscillator rate went up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybJuiou1KfQ

A big old metal capped transistor will work as described too, when the cap is removed.
Not sure of the relevance to the Cool Joule, but definitely of interest.

Here's what I got for voltage just now, from a superbright white, ex $1 flashlight.
Amperage is uA, so there's a need to investigate arrays of them.

[Slider2732]

Final results of the test last night:

2hr rest time of the batteries, after todays 1hr run swapped over and then 1hr run swapped back.
Then no voltage changes for 30 minutes:

Start combined 2.260V
End combined 2.415V

Well lit LED throughout the circuit run.

[TinMan]

Hi Slider
Interesting results there.My sketch is reading voltage across the input and output resistors,which tells us the current being consumed and given.Both are smooth DC,and im just wondering if there is a way to achieve this using conventional method's?.The results are the same using the 1.2 ohm CSR in the DMMs-which ofcourse give us the current being used,and the voltage ofcourse is about the same.
I know im missing something here,but i can see what it is?.

[TinMan]

Thanks Slider and Tinman for your continued work on this...  exciting stuff.

Tinman: "I have returned the output back to the caps as you did Mark,and the efficiency has gone through the roof-a too good to be true sort of rise."

Would like to hear more about that when you're ready!

Hi Steve.
It would seem that some are not happy with seeing our battery result's.Much talk about surface charge,and all that kind of stuff.Although i know this can be a real effect(surface charge),that is not what im seeing with my setup.My charge batteries show a 86% capacity when compaired to a battery that has been charged with a standard charger.This was worked out using timed run's of discharging via the garden light.
But i decided to try and find a way to show the excess energy in some other way.I believe i have achieved this with my new circuit,and i also now know why cap's will not show the same result's-although a caps parallel resistance is very low the series resistance of caps is far to high,where as the series resistance in the batteries is very low.This plays a vital part in how the system work's.

These are the figures so far,but i believe i can make it even better yet by placing the two coils within a monopole magnetic field(coils in one field only).Some quick experimenting showed a further 11% increase in avalible charging current.
The figures below are without the magnets in place.

Draw from run battery-8.5 volts @ 162.8uA
Draw from run cap to system-8.3 volt's 309.9uA
These measurements are taken from points which are smooth DC-no pulses.
This was double checked using my scope across 3 ohm 1 watt resistors that were placed where the amp meters were.With the scope set at it's highest resolution(.5mV) no ripple at all was detectable across the resistor's.
The input resistor has .001383 watts across it,and the load resistor has .002522 watts across it.
Although very small,the load resistor would be disapating more heat than the input resistor of the same value and kind.I have orded all new components to make a more compact and presentable setup.
What we have made here is some sort of DC tank circuit that can amplify current,and from the figures above it is easy to see how we are able to charge two to three battries to near full capacity with just one battery of the same.The system is now running at about 11.3khZ.
I also believe i have worked out how the transistor is fireing up,even though the trigger coil is not recieving a magnetic pulse from the run coil-but i will have to wait for my new scope to arrive to confirm this.

[PhysicsProf]

Wow!  very good progress, Tinman!  my sincere congratulations.

What we have made here is some sort of DC tank circuit that can amplify current,and from the figures above it is easy to see how we are able to charge two to three battries to near full capacity with just one battery of the same.The system is now running at about 11.3khZ.
I also believe i have worked out how the transistor is fireing up,even though the trigger coil is not recieving a magnetic pulse from the run coil-but i will have to wait for my new scope to arrive to confirm this.

VERY intriguing.  Hoping your new scope arrives soon!  looking forward to further results.
-Steve

[Slider2732]

I agree about your bunch of caution Brad, that's part of the reason for this thread being away from public eyes.
If it's any advice, I would say that while we could be considered tinkerers, the final result is the only thing that matters for any battery charging.
Chet mentioned yesterday about unknown effects...such as a chemical change that ruins a battery over time, as seen in some lead/acid alleged self runners.  All has to be considered and tested.
So what we have, are odd effects to us, such as the capacitor readings you have there. Maybe not odd in the grand whole scheme of things and somewhere something may bite us that is unexpected. But because they're unexpected results, they are of intrigue and worth pursuing.


After nearly 24hrs rest, the 2 batteries from yesterday now read 1.270V and 1.155V = 2.423V
From a start combined of 2.260V
The 8mV increase is likely due to temperature changes and further settling.   

[PhysicsProf]

@Brad -- in your early vid, you note that this circuit is (or is like) a Be-dini SSG, without the rotor of course.  On this forum, one cannot even spell out John's name without it being censored immediately (due to some legal threats IIRC from Juan a while back) -- and I would hesitate to mention the name when this device of yours is clearly MUCH different from his...  You could say that your invention was "inspired" by something, but clearly yours is a unique circuit design (and has no moving parts!).

@all -  Using low-leakage capacitors for the run-input and the output could quickly solve the questions raised, exciting questions I must say.  OTOH, caps are special in that it is difficult to capture ALL the energy from an input cap to an output cap... the old cap-to-cap paradox. (Not really a paradox; has to do with conservation of charge.)

Still, worth the try!  I have some low-leakage caps, now that I'm unpacking my gear...

[TinMan]

@Brad -- in your early vid, you note that this circuit is (or is like) a Be-dini SSG, without the rotor of course.  On this forum, one cannot even spell out John's name without it being censored immediately (due to some legal threats IIRC from Juan a while back) -- and I would hesitate to mention the name when this device of yours is clearly MUCH different from his...  You could say that your invention was "inspired" by something, but clearly yours is a unique circuit design (and has no moving parts!).

@all -  Using low-leakage capacitors for the run-input and the output could quickly solve the questions raised, exciting questions I must say.  OTOH, caps are special in that it is difficult to capture ALL the energy from an input cap to an output cap... the old cap-to-cap paradox. (Not really a paradox; has to do with conservation of charge.)

Still, worth the try!  I have some low-leakage caps, now that I'm unpacking my gear...

Yes you are right Steve,the circuit is similar to but opperates compleetly different than the above mentioned.A diesel engine is very much the same as a gas engine,but you cant trade one fuel for the other-as they opperate in different ways,although most of the parts are the same.
I have quite a large cap bank on the new circuit i built tonight,but this is only to smooth out the very small pulses we have in the system.Al measurements will be taken from pure DC points in the circuit only.This is to eliminate any meter reading error.We will not be trying to work out current over time,as the time is a constant (DC).We will be reading DC current input and DC current load within the system.
What i can say at the moment is that i have 82% more dc current going through the load resistor(3ohms) than i have on the dc input resistor(3ohms).I have .9mv across the 3 ohm input resistor,and 1.7mv across the 3 ohm load resistor-and i must say again that this is smooth DC,no ripple at all.

[Slider2732]

Interestingly, your circuit has been adopted by at least forums and YouTube folks as the Cool Joule..so hey, it is what it is - different!
For comparison, a blocking oscillator is now known as Lidmotor's Penny. It's the same as Xee2vids earlier uA oscillator and then LaserSaber brought out his mini Joule Ringer afterward. They're all the same circuit, but use slight variations in coil design etc.
Correct me if wrong, the SS SSG is designed for 12V lead/acid in any case.
When we start getting into axial inductors and more, the differences build up.
"Inspired by" is a good phrase


I'm moving to caps and larger batteries next. Talking with MongrelShark, he's looking at desulfating old Ni-Cd's of larger size too. Got a few projects on the go, but this thing has shown possibly anomalous running, so is top of the list.

[TinMan]

Hi Slider.
I am now using a 9 volt input,and no other batteries.I have made some slight variations to the circuit,and using a load resistor to test current output-insted of charging another battery.
When i think about it,this circuit operates in a totally different way than the ss/ssg circuit's-only some of the components are the same.It is good to see people are having fun with the circuit,and lidmotors radio transmitter is a doozy lol-radio transmitters don't come much simpler than that.
Now have you worked out how the transistor is able to oscillate without magnetic coupling between the two coils?-follow the path the inductive kickback could take,and you will have your answer.
More to come soon,but take caution on how much you share-as there are those that will take and run !I'm sure you know that

[Slider2732]

Well, i'm in a funny boat when it comes to working out how something works.  The transistor needs a signal at it's Base and besides flashing an LED or other really simple things, I started out with Tesla towers...so a wireless remote trigger has always featured.
To me, it doesn't so much need a magnetic coupling as a backfeed from the collapse. With wireless energy being able to be detected right up to the wall of a wall adapter run exciter circuit, I know that pulsed DC and straight DC can share the same wire.
Then there's other stuff like matched frequency running. A wall adapter powered coil can run a motor at multiples of 50Hz, with no other components than the coil ! No transistor or reeds or anything else !
Think about putting air cores for collection around this lot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9V8BEtqRbg


Yeah, Rusty (Lidmotor) does really stretch stuff sometimes and his vids are always good. I've had a couple of weird run ins with him, but aside from not knowing what was going on behind the scenes sometimes, am always a 'Like' clicker on his vids.
We had the whole mini community thing going a couple of years back for whatever came along...Kyle Karrington, JonnyDavro, Lidmotor, MrFlathunter, Xee2, GBluer...ah, simple fun times lol.


Just fixed an issue standing right in the way of developments of this circuit. Most of last night was frustrating. I changed out everything but the axial inductors because they are brand new. Guess what, found this morning that 1 of the inductors was broken inside, with no hint outside !!!