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Chet K

Adding water to Fuel « on: 2013-10-21, 11:42:29 »

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We have a new friend who will be joining us here with the intention of getting this not so popular information out to the world .
some history here.

https://sites.google.com/site/braxpeace2/waterinfuelblends

Our Friend has VERY specific info for replication ,I will be calling him today some time.

thx
Chet
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the link to the brief conversation here

http://www.overunity.com/13896/hho-hydrogen-and-diesel-injection-the-truth/msg374266/#new

Chet K

Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #1 on: 2013-10-21, 22:34:13 »

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some more info From Johan Oostrom

http://www.oostrom-technics.com/

http://www.youtube.com/user/OostromTechnicsSL

I did speak briefly with him today ,I am having a hard time making calls away from home ,A family emergency
has put me on the road for a few more days.

When I get home I will be setting this up here,he says it is crazy simple to get started and there are other things he is doing which will be very interesting I am sure ,Some of which is up Stevens alley.and also Mike N's.

@Johan has not been added here yet!!

Thx
Chet

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Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #2 on: 2013-10-22, 09:51:48 »

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High Chet

Not sure about him, I used to speak with him, he lives on Mayorca not far from me, a bit of a strange guy if you ask me. I will look at what you posted

regards

Mike

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Chet K	Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #3 on: 2013-10-24, 16:17:37 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4719	Mike Thanks for the reply,I am getting together the bits and pieces to do some testing here. I will start a new thread for this. Should be a cpl weeks ,I will not be inviting Johan anywhere until I speak with him a bit more and discuss the direction these tests will take with the parties involved in replicating this work. Thx Chet

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Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #4 on: 2013-11-01, 19:09:52 »

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Chet

after thinking about what we talked about by phone and the paper I sent you and Steven a while back on part of this subject, I thought I would post that paper here "on the dark side of the forum"

This is not complete but gives an idea of where, not only I but another colleague at the time as well, we were with fuel emulsions. It is a little different as we started with an emulsion and then transformed it, again by chemical reaction.

Just at the moment I don't have time to go into yet another heavy thread on this subject, but will keep an eye on what ever you decide to do about experimenting with fuel emulsions, it is very real and plenty of real time expert tests have been done by credible companies, but why is it not out there in a big way?

This is not another pug for SMD, it just happens that it is the means for part of the chemical reactions, I think Steven will understand that.

regards

Mike

Frequency effects and resonant windows ELF.pdf (56.2 kB - downloaded 5 times.)

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Chet K

Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #5 on: 2013-11-01, 20:36:57 »

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Mike
Thankyou for posting that here ,I and a few others here are quite interested in playing with these ideas [emulsions and perhaps frequencies].
WE have been bouncing around a proper test procedure prior to involving engines?

Some sort of Caloric measuring apparatus that can be put together Cheaply!

I will be Speaking again With that Fellow Johan about his Lithium Soap ,however will not be inviting him here with out discusion amoungst the group.

thx
Chet

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Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #6 on: 2013-11-01, 22:28:02 »

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Quote from: ramset on 2013-11-01, 20:36:57

Mike
Thankyou for posting that here ,I and a few others here are quite interested in playing with these ideas [emulsions and perhaps frequencies].
WE have been bouncing around a proper test procedure prior to involving engines?

Some sort of Caloric measuring apparatus that can be put together Cheaply!

thx
Chet

The only way you could do that is burning the fuel in an oil fired boiler and measure the delta T over time and flow rate of fuel. Your base line would be the same using standard oil.

With pressure jet burners you can't use just an emulsion of water and oil, as it will jell, a chemical has to be added to stop this, I know because I used to design burners and boilers

regards

Mike

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Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #7 on: 2013-11-01, 23:20:52 »

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Mike
Yes the oil burner is a very big contender for this testing ,one question which I have is how the 16HZ would be included or added
to that configuration?[16 HZ referenced in your attachment] or is that not feasible?

I suppose a drip burn onto a hot plate could be used in some sort of caloric chamber?

The simpler and easier the data collection can be made the more likely we will be able to get experimenters involved as well as get real time evaluations on performance.

Thx
Chet

Chet K	Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #8 on: 2013-11-02, 17:00:23 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4719	Mike This popped up yesterday Ed Mitchel [h20 power] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac ? I am not familiar with this however he seems to be saying he can retrofit cars to burn water? thx Chet

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Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #9 on: 2013-11-02, 18:19:06 »

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Quote from: ramset on 2013-11-02, 17:00:23

Mike
This popped up yesterday
Ed Mitchel [h20 power]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac

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I am not familiar with this however he seems to be saying he can retrofit cars to burn water?
thx
Chet

I have not any time now as we are going out to eat tonight, I will look tomorrow.

This H2O power guy has in the past been around EF and I think he was booted off there, not sure about that, also I think he was involved with the scandal of Eric Dollard!

Regards

Mike

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Chet K	Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #10 on: 2013-11-02, 18:51:56 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4719	Mike Yes I remember, he has been at this for 7 years or so ,much controversy I was not aware of anything to do with Dollard. I had the sound from that vid running in the back ground while I was working today[still am $:-\$ ] Over heard some very interesting remarks and claims [replacing fuel with water??]. I will be having a more focused viewing tonight. thx Chet

Chet K	Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #11 on: 2013-11-03, 08:55:54 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4719	Seems to talk to much about the tech and not enuff about what it can do ,I am going to contact him to see if he can actually run a car "stand alone" as he seems to have claimed. thx Chet

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Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #12 on: 2013-11-03, 12:39:02 »

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High Chet and all

I put words to paper and here it is

Lets look at the Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms. Hydrogen has only one electron, it is a proton orbited by one electron, so hydrogen can't be ionized, not on this planet anyway. Oxygen has eight electrons in it's ground state so we can remove some electrons by vibrational excitation, now what then happens, well you need to know what is an ion? “ion”ization. It is an atom which has lost one or some of it's ground state electrons and so looks to recover those electrons, this is then ionic conduction as in an electrolysis cell.

In water hydrogen and oxygen atoms share electrons, so to break them you naturally have to deal with the OXYGEN atom. The hydrogen goes off with one of the oxygen electrons, so the oxygen has been ionized, it has lost an electron, it now only has seven and it will move to find another electron to replace that lost one, be it a lone electron or share with another atom. It can share with another oxygen atom and become O2 or even with three oxygen atoms and become O3 ozone, the normal route is to O2 and another O grabbing onto an electron and form O3 (O3 is not very stable and in a short time will form O2 by O3+O3=3O2.

I am not a chemist, but I have learned by study over many years and if you remove electrons from atoms they will look instantly to replace them, OR, you will have transmutation. Equally you can add electrons to form a new element, again transmutation, all by electron movement.

So what's this guy talking about?

Now what does work is to inject N2 at the point of H2O rupture and the oxygen with only 7 electrons grabs and shares an electron of the N2 and forms N2O, nitrous oxide, you then have H2 + N2O= a lot of energy. There is other grabbing as well so not so pure, but you get the idea.

Regards

Mike

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Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #13 on: 2013-11-03, 17:23:06 »

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Chet,

this is where I got the relationship to Eric Dollard, I really do not look at any of this, it all makes me sick, like the sicko we both know.
http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/14236-edward-mitchel-disinformation-agent-exposed-h20power.html

regards

Mike

edit:- foregot link

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ion	Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #14 on: 2013-11-04, 14:07:05 »
Group: Elite Hero Member Posts: 4127 It's turtles all the way down	Are there any proven mixtures that Chet can try in his lawn mower (not mine). Tests could easily be carried out with a small Harbor Freight 90$ 800 Watt gas powered generator and comparisons logged by kWHr's delivered vs fuel mix / quantity. --------------------------- "Secrecy, secret societies and secret groups have always been repugnant to a free and open society"......John F Kennedy

Chet K	Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #15 on: 2013-11-04, 16:25:28 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4719	I will also be assembling my SMD cell to make Fuel as well as try some of the latest Circuit ideas in that thread. seems a lot of the latest "simple" ideas are in the water?[adding "N"?} I am after all a very simple man...... Thx Chet « Last Edit: 2013-11-04, 18:39:16 by ramset »

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Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #16 on: 2013-11-04, 17:24:23 »

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Quote from: ramset on 2013-11-04, 16:25:28

I will also be assembling my SMD cell to make Fuel as well as try some of the latest Circuit ideas in that thread.
seems a lot of the latest "simple" ideas are in the water?[adding "N"?}

I am after all a very simple man......

Thx
Chet

thx
Che

Hey, AC DC as well?

Mike

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Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #17 on: 2013-11-04, 17:34:37 »

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Quote from: ION on 2013-11-04, 14:07:05

Are there any proven mixtures that Chet can try in his lawn mower (not mine).

Tests could easily be carried out with a small Harbor Freight 90$ 800 Watt gas powered generator and comparisons logged by kWHr's delivered vs fuel mix / quantity.

Well have to add an emulsifier of some sort, not sure with petrol, but with diesel yes. Put it all in the wife's liquidiser and run it for a couple of minutes

If anyone is going to do this, then start with say 25% water and move up. I will look for some emulsifiers that can be obtained easily.

regards

Mike

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Re: Adding water to Fuel « Reply #18 on: 2013-11-06, 19:13:40 »

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I thought this was apt to post a link here, I don't know if anyone has already seen this or not!!

http://www.rexresearch.com/cottell/cottell.htm

This gives a good list of types of systems etc for burning and making of emulsions.

regards

Mike

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