HHO Gas into automotive Catalytic converter making heat with no flame

[Chet K]

Seems a small amount of HHO gas injected into an automotive Catalytic converter makes an awful lot of heat
with no flame involved.

Cpl vids from a series here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7C-PzbTNsI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUXGCQUfET1xo2FVFkXfKejQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO-zLya2x6Q&feature=c4-overview&list=UUXGCQUfET1xo2FVFkXfKejQ

this is their you tube channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/hydrofuelincanada?feature=watch

being discussed here .
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16500-hho-gas-injected-into-catalytic-converter-yields-extreme-heat-lenr-we-dont-know.html#post248694

thx for looking
Chet

ps
there are some OU heat claims attached to this ??

[muDped]

Do you remember those self-igniting cigarette
lighters from years ago?

From the article about Platinum:

Pure platinum wire will glow red hot when placed in the vapor of methyl alcohol.  It acts
here as a catalyst, converting the alcohol to formaldehyde. This phenomenon has been
used commercially to produce cigarette lighters and hand warmers.

Hydrogen and oxygen explode in the presence of platinum,

The Automotive Catalytic Converter accomplishes the
same reaction with Hydrogen and Oxygen.  It also catalyzes
oxidation with numerous hydrocarbon gases/vapors.

[Chet K]

Dumped thanks for the interest and the reply
MsCoffman made this comment at OU .com
here
http://www.overunity.com/14202/small-amount-of-hho-gas-into-automotive-catalytic-converter-yields-ou-heat/msg383265/#new
mscoffman Quote
I posted this idea previously on the yahoo groups NI-Fusion [Dec 07, 2012]. So I'd say go for it.

Catalytic Converters already get really hot once they start running. It's not clear that Chemical Catalytic doesn't already mean LENR, that's what needs to be proven. Also, I noticed in a NASA picture of it's designer holding a model cross section of the Curiosity Robotic Rover SNAP Thermal Battery, how simple the electrical connections are and how few devices are really required to create this nominally efficient device.

So, if one can show LENR gain in a Catalytic Converter already known to run at very high temperature, why not use the gain to offset Thermal Battery Carnot derived inefficiency? Have the Catalytic Converter Thermal Battery make the current to make its own HHO and have it make a little additional HHO to supplement the existing ICE engine.

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Let say for a moment that the Rossi's Hot E-cat is a real device. How can a Rossi Hot e-cat device be integrated into an automotive vehicle application with the *least* disruption to existing systems and with as little R&D as possible? This would allow LENR application to take place as early a time as possible.

Well, it might look something like this:

Let us replace the existing precious metal driven catalytic exhaust converter currently used in automotive applications with a Rossi hot e-cat device. We would then use the thermal controlled LENR gain driven by the waste exhaust heat rejected from the vehicle's own ICE Internal combustion engine. This is similar to the way the catalytic converter does its pollution control job currently. The LENR reactor design would be articulated as a thermal battery using the high efficiency tellurium thermo-pairs thermocouples, similar to the ones NASA uses in its SNAP RTG radio-isotopic generators used in spacecraft. The electricity generated by the LENR reactor would then be used to run an HHO water based electrolysis unit and the hydrogen HHO gas could then be mixed with a very small amount of hydrocarbon fuel and fed back into the ICE engine. Because of the LENR gain the electrolysis unit could supply *all* of the hydrogen fuel required to run the engine through offsetting the engine's Carnot gas law inefficiency. The small amount of HC fuel would supply the warmth, drying and lubrication required by the standard internal combustion engine before this engine is itself eventually redesigned to run entirely on the HHO - hydrogen gas, at which time the HC fuel input would no longer be required.

The centralization of the LENR function in the e-cat reactor obviates the need to obtain any LENR energy problematically from either the HHO electrolyzer or from inside the ICE engine. An ICE engine can almost produce all of its own hydrogen fuel electrically from water, now. So the LENR gain will only be needed to supplement that loop.

:S:MarkSCoffman
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Ps
Also note I did make a "fixed loss to ambient" test protocol suggestion at the Energetic forum link [posted above] with an offer to do the test myself if requiered.
Thx
Chet K