TinMans magnet experiments

[TinMan]

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Tonight i have confirmed that there is two sepperate spin directions on the magnet !!in the case of my setup in water!!This would seem to be in line with TA's diagram below. In my case,it seems the right hand rule dosnt apply to one of these spin directions . I am uploading the video at the moment,and it will take some time. But i will remain awake until it's done,and put the link in this thread asap.

It may be time we opened our mind a bit,and may have to look a little closer at the huble PM.

[TinMan]

Im off back to the work shop to do a confermation test with fixed magnets.

[Chet K]

TinMan
Looking forward to those tests.....

something really cool about this!!

thx
Chet

[TinMan]

here is my latest test,showing CW/CCW spin. So which one dosnt apply the the right hand rule?
next video will give polarities and field orientation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n358gtR7gr8

[TinMan]

Here is my second video,with both magnets being the same,and both placed in identical conditions-only one has the insulated sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhBGQNkyWUM

[Matt Watts]

I think you see what I've been trying to explain from Ken:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dilk8gcDxac

Magnetism is spin, plain and simple.  Funny we should have realized this when winding the thousands of coils we have wound over the decades.  The good news is, I think we can wind them even better now, since we know a magnet has two opposite spins associated with it--a central spin and an exterior spin.

[Smudge]

Tin man,

I think your spin directions are easily explained by the same rule.  The field direction coming out of the top of the magnet is opposite to the field direction alongside the magnet, so you would expect different spin directions for current flowing towards the magnet.  But the same rule applies to both positions.  Don't ask me whether it is the LH or RH rule because I'm not sure exactly what you are seeing that spins, is it electron flow or ion flow?  Probably ion flow in which case that is the same direction as current so the LH (motor) rule should apply.

Smudge

[TinMan]

Here is my latest experiment,using a ferrite ring magnet from a speaker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

[Chet K]

TinMan
you make a comment at 9,40-47

can you please clarify?
thx
Chet

[Matt Watts]

Here is my latest experiment,using a ferrite ring magnet from a speaker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

Great detective work TinMan.  This last video of yours shows the effect better than any other I have seen.

Are you ready yet to do something similar for an electromagnet?

[wattsup]

@TinMan

Just saw your latest vid.

Please do not take my interjections as a personal critique, but I really need to say a few things relative to such tests.

Just take the loop of wire you used for the pulses, energize it and put a compass beside it. Do you see the needle move? You see the problem created there is that you want to see the effect of the magnetic field turning a vortex but you have right beside it a wire that is pulsing and creating bubbles via electro-cavitation that may also have or induce stray charges into the bubbles, and then you say, the magnet is creating a vortex.

That again is not the right way. You need to find a way to generate bubbles that are far enough from the magnet and can be concentrated enough around the magnet to see if there will be  a spin without any other influences near the magnet.

Just for some background, I am a water treatment professional and own three companies since 1988. One of my system designs was used to build the Canadian Forces Mobile Water Treatment Unit which they use all over the world now to produce potable water for up to 1000 soldiers. Any water, any time, winter, summer, ice water, swamp water, all can be treated to produce good clean water. So I know a little bit about water and I get paid very well to fix water problems. I have done alot of R&D in water treatment methods and hope one day to produce a device that will treat all types of water problems using the electro-coagulation principle. So I know a little bit about water.

The easiest way to produce bubbles in water.
1) Bromo Seltzer in a glass of water.
2) Calcium Hypochlorite (Swimming Pool Shock Treatment) in a water tank will produce oxygen bubbles but the room needs to be aerated.
3) Small water pump pushes water through a Mazzei Venturi (Model 384) or as per pump rating. See here and check on Ebay for cheap offers.
http://mazzei.net/performance-data?q=injector-performance
4) Air pump pushes air through an air stone submerged in water.
5) The taller the container the better to produce a good height of air bubbles plus the height would provide different bubble concentrations from top to bottom so the magnet could be tested in varying levels of bubble concentration.

Also, in every test with a magnet, you need to test again with a dummy form that is close to the magnet dimensions to see if the magnet is producing a vortex because of its form or is the effect only produced by the magnet.

The stick that holds the magnet should be in the form of the letter "J". So the magnet can be inserted from the top but held from underneath via the thinnest rising stem possible so the stem does not become a guiding influence to any non-magnetic vortex formation.

But overall, or otherwise, what @TA is trying to prove will never be in any type of agreement. I am just perplexed that his own level of critical judgement about what type of experiments are or are not suitable is so low that I am not surprised he may be jumping to so many conclusions actually all based on what he wants to see occur and not what is actually occurring in his experiments. His claims are grandiose but he needs to equate them more to reality and less to any unintentional but causal trickery.

wattsup

[wings]

Great detective work TinMan.  This last video of yours shows the effect better than any other I have seen.

Are you ready yet to do something similar for an electromagnet?

see magnetoydrodynamics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DjbYZ2eCM#t=117
https://www.flickr.com/photos/luca_prioli/6609969517/
http://www.yourepeat.com/g/Magnetohydrodynamic

[TinMan]

Well so far,most of what i have shown can be explained by accepted physics-except the last test with the speaker magnet-im not sure as to why the spin direction is the wrong way around to what the right hand ruel says it should be.Will have to look at that one again soon.

[Matt Watts]

What Ken is proposing is probably valuable information, but I have asked him various off-the-cuff questions on the EF forum and he has for the most part dodged them.  I detect a difference between what he knows and what he thinks he knows.  Either that or he is unable to explain things in terminology I can understand.  Which puts the ball back in our court to figure this all out with enough certainty to make use of the principals involved.

Because electricity and magnetism are interrelated, we really need a sound understanding of both to make much headway, preferably in some form of geometric analogy that can be easily visualized.

[Chet K]

For TinMan to see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOfsz1ENYjU

from here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19563-propulsion-rotary-devices.html#post262847

thx
Chet

[giantkiller]

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[TinMan]

For TinMan to see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOfsz1ENYjU

from here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19563-propulsion-rotary-devices.html#post262847

thx
Chet

Thanks Chet for the link.

Looking at that video closely,something just dosnt look right when he removes the chocks. I think there may be fishing line teathers holding that thing up?.
Anyway-i picked up my new lathe today,and i start my holidays next week,so i will be building my version of an inertia drive next week-lets see how we go.