langmuir and his findings 103 cal/gram in ------ 90,000 cal /gram out

[Chet K]

Here is the link

http://chavascience.com/papers/langmur-excess-energy-from-hydrogen

I did Speak With Mark Snoswell from Chava about 6  months ago and he mentioned they
had some LENR things coming to the table.

LENR and A gentleman From Italy were mentioned at the time....? I Can't remember the name ?

at that time I was just grateful that Chava would be sharing it .



something very similar is being discussed in a few places, however those discusions are about Automotive Catalytic Converters and HHO .

Here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16500-hho-gas-injected-into-catalytic-converter-yields-extreme-heat-lenr-we-dont-know-4.html#post249845

here
http://www.overunity.com/14202/small-amount-of-hho-gas-into-automotive-catalytic-converter-yields-ou-heat/

thx
Chet

[Centraflow]

Chet

This is the Langmuir principle but done by present day interp: Moller and replicated by Naudin

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/mahg/index.htm

regards

Mike

[Centraflow]

This has nothing to do with HHO and a platinum cat: as Langmuir/Moller the H2 is recycled and the other H2 and O2 are lost to water. The problem in one is the power used to make H2 and O2 from water and the other the power used in the arc, though the latter is a feasible OU if it is done on a large enough scale.

The other REAL concern of mine with these guys passing a perfect mix of H2 and O2 (2:1) over platinum is the low temperature flash point of that mix
Quote:
Oxyhydrogen will combust when brought to its autoignition temperature. For the stoichiometric mixture, 2:1 hydrogen:oxygen, at normal atmospheric pressure, autoignition occurs at about 570 °C (1065 °F).[5] The minimum energy required to ignite such a mixture with a spark is about 20 microjoules.[5] At standard temperature and pressure, oxyhydrogen can burn when it is between about 4% and 95% hydrogen by volume.[5]
When ignited, the gas mixture converts to water vapor and releases energy, which sustains the reaction: 241.8 kJ of energy (LHV) for every mole of H2 burned. The amount of heat energy released is independent of the mode of combustion, but the temperature of the flame varies.[6] The maximum temperature of about 2800 °C is achieved with an exact stoichiometric mixture, about 700 degrees hotter than a hydrogen flame in air.[7][8][9] When either of the gases are mixed in excess of this ratio, or when mixed with an inert gas like nitrogen, the heat must spread throughout a greater quantity of matter and the temperature will be lower.[6]

The point is you only need 20uj to ignite the gas, when the platinum starts to go white, you have exceeded this and you either have a flame or bang goes your system, very very dangerous. The Langmuir/Moller system is far safer, but even this has possible problems of safety for home construction if oxygen got into the system.

Just my thoughts and concerns only, take it or leave it

Mike

[PhysicsProf]

Thanks for the heads-up!

Woopy is working in this area; note his recent videos.

[Chet K]

Mike
Thanks for the heads up as well as the Ratio info,I suppose a gas spectrometer would be a good thing to have for this.
I believe there are very inexpensive PC driven units perhaps even mated to an arduino for ratio control,
the level and quality of technology available to the "garage experimenter " these days is amazing also  the costs are well within grasp.
Anything you can contribute here would always be greatly appreciated.
And yes it would be more the Tungsten and Naudlin experiments that would be investigated here,however the Platinum reaction will  most likey be the first tested [the info you provided will be very useful for maximmizing that reaction]

Regarding that reaction I see the huge Vacuum which is being created by this reaction [recombination] this is a very useful tool all by itself...

the Naudin would be the best  place to work.

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/mahg/index.htm
""The Moller's Atomic Hydrogen Generator (MAHG) is fully based on the Irving Langmuir discovery. In the MAHG, the hydrogen is merely dissociated and recombined and can therefore be recycled over and over again without consuming more hydrogen than the quantity used to start with. ""


thx
Chet

[Chet K]

Pkysics Prof
do you have a Link to Woopy's recent work?
Edit
OK I see here is the Woopy Channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10CR3bZOYeo&list=UUi3fFZN1pwHTyM8H_nSxerg&feature=c4-overview

thx
Chet