Patrick Flanagan's Original Neurophone as a Transmitter/Receiver?

[Grumpy]

Patrick Flanagan stated that his original Neurophone circuit could be used as a transmitter/receiver in a series of posts regarding longitudinal-wave communications.

My thoughts are that something along the lines of Flanagan's original circuit, coupled with his antenna descriptions in his posts, perhaps with a little Dewey Gilstrap thrown in, will yield a longitudinal wave communications system.  Keep in mind these are electrostatic waves, companion waves, or all BS.

I'm a little skeptical after reading some explanations of Mento's work that explained it with conventional antenna theory, but Flannagan and Gilstrap are both convincing.

This is also similar to work posted on the Tesla Radio site.

Flanagan's original circuit:
http://www.google.com/patents/US3393279

Gilstrap email to Bibhas De:
http://www.bibhasde.com/radiocomm.html
APPENDIX
The Idea of Lewey Gilstrap

[On March 2, 2007, I got an email from Lewey Gilstrap. Portions of that email are reproduced below with his permission. I found his idea interesting.

What this amounts to, in essence, is that electromagnetic energy can propagate over a continuum of conditions from E < cB through E = cB to E > cB. The first part of this spectrum is what I have described. The second part is what Gilstrap describes. That is to say, the conventional electromagnetic wave (with E = cB) – which today is seen as the be all and end all of electromagnetic propagation – is just one point in this spectrum.

The enormity of the combined idea can be seen by considering just one minor consequence of it: It will put paid to the anointed cosmological discoveries that are based on the assumption that electromagnetic waves are the only form of electromagnetic energy propagating in the universe. – BRD]


Lewey Gilstrap
A non-physicist with remarkable physics insight?

A few days ago, I ran across your website while doing a search for related items. I had not been aware of your work before, and I read with considerable interest the material on the Companion Wave. However, I was disappointed that you did not mention the electric wave twin of the magnetic Companion wave. The twin is just as interesting as the Companion. Both the Companion wave and its twin are longitudinal, both propagate through salt water without loss other than normal inverse square loss and neither is stopped by a Faraday cage; for the Companion wave, E < cB and for the twin, cB < E. Both the Companion and its twin can be detected as end fire (not transverse) from an ordinary dipole, but it takes special phasing or a special antenna to detect either one. I showed that both waves satisfy Maxwell's equations and that no modification of Maxwell's equations is needed.

The reason I know about these waves is that I got a patent on the electrostatic wave (actually, on the antenna, which was quite different from a normal dipole and it did not involve crossed fields). The patent was awarded in 1976 (Electrostatic Communications System; United States Patent 3964051). I knew about the Companion wave, but my antenna design for the magnetic wave would have required a lab for fabrication which was not available to me and I just dropped further work on it. Later, I got a contract to build two prototypes of the electric wave system for the Navy. The units were tested first in a swimming pool and later in the Chesapeake Bay. The units had a carrier frequency of 10 MHz, and, although the range of the units was not very great, we did show that there was no exponential attenuation of the signal (other than inverse square spreading) for around 10 wavelengths separation of the transmitter and receiver. Unfortunately, the naysayers in the Navy killed any further development, claiming that "it would not work." (Yes, they ignored my physical reasoning, my mathematical reasoning, and the experimental work with the prototypes.) My estimate as to potential range after several years of development was on the order of 1000 km, although that might have been optimistic. After seeing your material, I think that I could do a much better job of antenna design for either of the twins now than I did twenty years ago. I long since stopped working on the two waves, but have used some of the principles I developed for them for investigation of other non-standard waves, one of which is even more exotic than the twins.

Lewey Gilstrap

Flanagan posts on old forum:
See attached.


My question is does anyone have a solid-state component circuit handy for a transmitter/receiver that could be used to experiment along these lines?

[Grumpy]

Lewey Gilstrap's Patent:

[BEP]

Grumpy,

I experimented with Gilstrap's design.

Even following the descriptions to the letter I found that the transmission line did the radiating. At the receiving end the antenna action was also from the transmission line.

The capacitive coupling was only very weakly functional within very short distances and with transmission line lengths at absolute minimums.

The only way communication over some distance (a couple of thousand feet) was reasonable was when transmission lines had almost no length and the signal carrier consisted of very high voltage with the shortest possible rise/fall times (very broad band noise resulted).

I suppose that signal could have been modulated in an FSK fashion or even FM but I didn't go that far.

[Grumpy]

Grumpy,

I experimented with Gilstrap's design.

Even following the descriptions to the letter I found that the transmission line did the radiating. At the receiving end the antenna action was also from the transmission line.

The capacitive coupling was only very weakly functional within very short distances and with transmission line lengths at absolute minimums.

The only way communication over some distance (a couple of thousand feet) was reasonable was when transmission lines had almost no length and the signal carrier consisted of very high voltage with the shortest possible rise/fall times (very broad band noise resulted).

I suppose that signal could have been modulated in an FSK fashion or even FM but I didn't go that far.

That agrees with the explanation that I found on Mento's work, the transmission line did the radiating.  It was found to be directional as he claimed, but this was still the line doing the work, as the lines (tx and rx) were aligned.

Mento claimed to be able to find fish by listening to them communicate - not sure how that would work.

[BEP]

Mento claimed to be able to find fish by listening to them communicate - not sure how that would work.

Interesting 

I don't remember hearing fish conversations 

[BEP]

I'll take that last remark back.

It may be possible to 'hear fish conversations' with the invention, as described.

Hearing variations of local charge due to sound in water may not be far flung.

[e2matrix]

I've got a Flanagan Neurophone (not his earliest model - newer one but probably 10 years old or so).  I could probably dig it out to do some experiments as time allows if that will help any.   Not sure if that's what you are asking for but willing to try some things if it's not too time consuming.   I've got o-scopes and good meters and a function generator.

[scienculo]

e2matrix
Flanagan said, as far as I remember, in his lecture that neurophone lets deaf people to her and that what you hear through neurophone goes directly to long term memory.
Can you confirm his claims based on your experience using neuropnone?

[e2matrix]

I've used it very little since I got it but I would say you can hear the sounds or speech coming through it as if it's going into your skull bones and may be going directly to the brain.   As far as going direct to long term memory I would only be guessing to say anything about that.   It's one of those devices I keep intending to use but it always seems to be on the back burner.   I think it would probably be good to use with subliminal message programs for self improvement.   

[Grumpy]

Flanagan's patent:

[Grumpy]

@bte,

This is a good place to start work on communications.

Not having tubes, Flanagan's approach in the pdf seems ok for a start, as does Gilstrap's.

I like Mento's and Flanagan's antenna better than Gilstrap's as theirs is directional.

I read several articles in old periodicals regarding Mento at the time that he was demonstrating the method and it is logical that this method has other implications and became controlled.  I found nothing to indicate that it did not work as described.

As for why the length of the Mento/Flanagan antennas determines the transmission distance, think of the signal as a stack of cookies; as the wave travels, the stack is gradually eaten.  The longer the stack of cookies, the loner you can transmit. 

No connection ground required.  The antenna has a wire to each side. 

See attached Mento doc.

There may be other explanations for why the Mento system is attenuated as it is placed deeper in the ocean, rather than the up-over-down explanation.

Best Regards

[bte]

I'm sure such a system could be adapted to transmit through the earth as well. My primary concern is interfering with other stations, but, being a longitudinal system, this should not happen unless a conventional antenna is capable of turning this longitudinal signal back into electromagnetic waves.

Thanks Grumpy!

[Grumpy]

I'm going over early radio tech starting with Hertz, Tesla, Marconi, et. al., and all of the early systems used large capacitive plates or spheres more suited for electric waves.

I'm trying to determine when the switch was made to conventional methods with aerials and no capacitive plates.  What were the reasons behind this change?  I suspect it was easier to generate and utilize high current than high voltage so inventions and methods turned in this direction.

Edit:
example: Marconi's 1896 patent with large spheres or plates
http://www.earlyradiohistory.us/1901fae.htm

[giantkiller]

I'm sure such a system could be adapted to transmit through the earth as well. My primary concern is interfering with other stations, but, being a longitudinal system, this should not happen unless a conventional antenna is capable of turning this longitudinal signal back into electromagnetic waves.

Thanks Grumpy!

In Eric D. video he picks up Fort Collins from Palo Alto area i'm guessing or where the RCA lab was. He just tunes the radio. So the Earth is just a huge bucket of frequencies. Stands to reason as far as capacitive antenna go.

[giantkiller]

I'm going over early radio tech starting with Hertz, Tesla, Marconi, et. al., and all of the early systems used large capacitive plates or spheres more suited for electric waves.

I'm trying to determine when the switch was made to conventional methods with aerials and no capacitive plates.  What were the reasons behind this change?  I suspect it was easier to generate and utilize high current than high voltage so inventions and methods turned in this direction.

Edit:
example: Marconi's 1896 patent with large spheres or plates
http://www.earlyradiohistory.us/1901fae.htm

The older systems were ground based. The newer systems were trying to get altitude. Radio in planes was the big deal so the system changed to have a system that ran off of ungrounded systems. Imagine the Greats all thinking 'How do we get this system to move around the planet in a mobility model than having to stick something in the ground.' Usually its the simple progression that get lost in time.

[bte]

Im pretty sure the ground can carry VHF signals, but my current project doesn't give me the time span to develop it, thus I will have to use conventional antenna assemblies. I do believe that a broadband LMD antenna is possible, and will pursue this in the future.