Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece

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Chet K

Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « on: 2016-05-04, 11:32:46 »

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more links to follow

http://overunity.com/16579/bike-runs-on-water-100-no-gasoline-microwave-pulse-generator-water-split/msg482949/#new

Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split

Stefan

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Hi Guys,
have a look at this video where the Greek Inventor Petros Zografos has come
up with a revolutionary catalytic Microwave Pulse Generator Water Splitting method.
He only needs MilliWatts for the MicroWave Pulse Generator and has a virtual Electrode
in Saltwater or normal Tap water where it produces huge amounts of Hydrogen. not HHO.
With it he can run a Bike 100 % on water, no gasoline needed.
Also he has a newer device like a cold MHD generator or special selfmade Fuelcell,
where he directly converts the Hydrogen gas to Electricity again and can produce around 230 Watts
of electrical power from just filling water into his newer device.
It is just amazing.
Check this out:
https://youtu.be/JN-kLrtU0po

Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split

His Youtube channel is:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa1TJGxtBLX2yK9uL9rwZoA/videos

where he was interviewed and showed his inventions on Live TV in Greece
with an experts audience where he was nailed with technical questions
from Skeptics, but he could convince them, that his technology is real.

His Website is:
http://www.hellagen.gr

It would really help, if some greek users could help to translate a few videos or write up
a summary about this catalytic process.
He seems to use some kind of metal Alloy like an Alloy with Aluminium or something light like this
which he puts in a glas tube and puts some kind like GigaHz or TerraHz RF pulses in a coil
around the glas tube where the metal alloy is in the water and then this splits the water immediately
with very little power for the pulse generator and producing lots of Hydrogen gas.
The Metal Alloy is only slowly consumed in this process and lasts very long and is cheap,
so it is a very efficient process which will replace fossil fuels completely on the longer run...

Enjoy !

Regards, Stefan.

Look at this video about starting at Minute 39:00
https://youtu.be/h_Ps1R03WqM?t=39m39s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twYbr-ZSU0g
In this video he has as a load a Microwave oven, a Laptop PC
a Mixer and a few bulbs...and it is all powered by just a bit of saltwater
from the ocean (and probably a bit consumed metall alloy..)

Chet K	Re: Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « Reply #1 on: 2016-05-04, 19:33:16 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4748	Small update I did speak with a representative today and will be following up on this . will post all here. Chet

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Re: Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « Reply #2 on: 2016-05-04, 19:47:32 »

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That sounds great Chet. When we chatted earlier I forgot to mention I had seen your posts about this. Several years ago my company bought an industrial laser from the Trumpf company in Germany. Their laser uses RF also to excite the laser gas. Until they perfected the idea everyone had said it was impossible to excite the laser gas with RF. But they did it and made one of the most efficient lasers you could buy for industrial use. I will be watching closely for any updates.

Thanks for the info,
Carroll

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Verpies	Re: Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « Reply #3 on: 2016-05-05, 01:35:34 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 4856	I'd like to know whether the RF is in GHz or in THz because if it is way up there then I will not have the equipment to generate such frequencies. Knowing the exact power would be nice, too. Also, is the aluminum alloy catalyst's composition a secret ?

muDped

Re: Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « Reply #4 on: 2016-05-05, 06:55:27 »

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I wonder whether the Aluminum Alloy (a rather active metal chemically)
is really a "catalyst" or an active reactant?

It is easy to produce lots of Hydrogen from Aluminum by chemical
action. The Aluminum of course, is oxidized in the process.

How is it possible to produce only Hydrogen electronically [from water]
without releasing Oxygen as well?

Then there is another consideration. If this process is what it is claimed
with extensive "overunity," where are the dreaded "Men in Black?"

As much as I'd like to believe there is something substantive here, I'm
afraid it is another sham.

Quote from: CITFTA about Trumpf Co. in Germany

Until they perfected the idea everyone had said it was impossible to excite the laser gas with RF. But they did it and made one of the most efficient lasers you could buy for industrial use.

Good point. It is quite easy to "light up" the noble gases with
RF excitation. The trick is lighting up the length of the lasing
tube uniformly throughout its length. When done it should be
much more efficient than exciting the gases by electrical current
flow with high voltage D.C. Was yours a CO₂ Laser?

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Re: Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « Reply #5 on: 2016-05-05, 07:46:03 »

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Quote from: muDped on 2016-05-05, 06:55:27

I wonder whether the Aluminum Alloy (a rather active metal chemically) is really a "catalyst" or an active reactant?

It is easy to produce lots of Hydrogen from Aluminum by chemical action.
The Aluminum of course, is oxidized in the process.

Yes and since the Aluminum binds to oxygen, then Oxygen is not released.
As such, the Aluminum acts as a reactant and the energy cost of producing Aluminum must be factored into the overall out/in energy ratio.

Quote from: muDped on 2016-05-05, 06:55:27

How is it possible to produce only Hydrogen electronically [from water] without releasing Oxygen as well?

I don't think it is possible. Something must bind the oxygen to keep it from escaping as gas.

T-1000

Re: Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « Reply #6 on: 2016-05-05, 10:42:14 »

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Hi all,

I would like add to what was said:
There is cavitation effect - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGSioE58YjA which weakens bonds inside water molecules. WIth applied small current on top of that it makes easy to split water into HHO. Applying that by resonant means will drop power consumption a lot.
And there is Stanley Mayer work about same thing just he was targeting NMR in water for same goal - the resonant weakening bonds of water molecules. So you do not need waste energy for splitting it into HHO.

Cheers!

CITFTA

Re: Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « Reply #7 on: 2016-05-05, 12:02:24 »

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Hi muDped,

Yes the Trumpf laser I went to school on and worked on was a CO2 laser. The trick they used was to use long narrow plates on opposite sides of the glass laser tubes. They used 4 laser tubes arranged in a square with mirrors at the corners to reduce the overall size of the machine. The RF was applied to the plates. So in effect the laser gases were like the dielectric of a capacitor except instead of storing a charge they turned the charge into light. Bedsides being very efficient it was also very reliable. We rarely had to repair anything on the machine. Their U.S. factory is in Connecticut.

Carroll

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Chet K	Re: Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « Reply #8 on: 2016-05-07, 13:22:03 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4748	Carroll Thanks @ All I spoke briefly with the inventor this AM and we are setting up a more formal "meeting" to discuss this a bit more and help qualify the Claim. Very Good indeed !! respectfully Chet K « Last Edit: 2016-05-07, 23:35:51 by Chet K »

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Re: Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « Reply #9 on: 2016-05-24, 19:18:08 »

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You might be interested in this short video I took of a commercial HHO factory. The owner mixes fuel with HHO at a certain frequency to produce an emulsion. You can see the device and also the generator he powers. He was the guy who financed Kapanadze in the now infamous aquarium 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfWZVySL2RU

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Marshallin

Re: Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « Reply #10 on: 2016-05-31, 12:26:27 »

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Hey if you will get some more specific information i can try reproduce it at our lab.
Unfortunately so far it looks like another blackbox, but who knows

Quote from: Chet K on 2016-05-07, 13:22:03

Carroll
Thanks
@ All
I spoke briefly with the inventor this AM and we are setting up a more formal "meeting" to discuss this a bit more and help
qualify the Claim.

Very Good indeed !!

respectfully
Chet K

Chet K	Re: Hydrogen RF Electrolysis breakthru in Greece « Reply #11 on: 2016-05-31, 13:10:50 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4748	I will make a follow up call this week to see if these fellows are getting anymore focused with their release date or independent verification . Thx Chet K