RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy

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sergh

Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #50 on: 2025-08-05, 09:50:20 »

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When you observe the future passing from the present into the past, this is proof of the presence of zero point energy.

Quote from: F6FLT on 2025-08-05, 09:40:48

The device you are referring to is a magnetic coupling

It doesn't matter what type of coupling it is, magnetic, electrical, acoustic or any other.

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So the essential question remains: to demonstrate that the ZPE or another medium can constitute an exploitable energy source.

- in process. It is visible, but so far it is not enough. A lot of work needs to be done.

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Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #51 on: 2025-08-05, 10:10:02 »

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@sergh

Your assertions are more a matter of opinion than knowledge. The very idea of time passing is suspect; it only appears on a macroscopic scale. There is no evidence of time passing in the quantum realm of ZPE. In quantum mechanics, time is symmetrical.
Furthermore, only conclusive experiments, which we do not have, can lead us to say ‘it is visible’. Today, it is an unfounded assertion.

That said, you can hypothesise that it is a source of energy and seek to exploit it. The method may work if that is the case. In my opinion, this hypothesis is unlikely.

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sergh

Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #52 on: 2025-08-05, 10:25:27 »

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This is the case if we imagine time as an independent, separate phenomenon.
But what if we imagine time as a process of the formation of matter and space by a field of virtual particles due to the energy of the so-called Big Bang? In the current period, here and now.

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.. can lead us to say ‘it is visible’.

In quantum matters, nothing was ever visible.

Within this topic, we can take a closer look at different types of catalysis. For example, the so-called "heterogeneous catalysis". Who can explain exactly why such a catalyst reduce the temperature required for a chemical reaction by many times? Is the classical definition of catalysis always correct?

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chief kolbacict	Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #53 on: 2025-08-06, 16:13:13 »
Sr. Member Posts: 370	http://dom-en.ru/procsveta1/ Translate this to english,please.My old computer can't do it.That's worth it. It is interesting. « Last Edit: 2025-08-07, 07:25:48 by chief kolbacict »

sergh	Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #54 on: 2025-08-07, 09:44:44 »
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chief kolbacict	Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #55 on: 2025-08-07, 11:01:48 »
Sr. Member Posts: 370	Quote from: sergh on 2025-08-07, 09:44:44 unable to access env-heat.pdf (475.03 kB - downloaded 246 times.)

sergh

Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #56 on: 2025-08-07, 12:35:15 »

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OBTAINING OXYGEN, HYDROGEN, AND ELECTRICITY FROM ENVIRONMENTAL HEAT (Process 'SVETA')

Author: Alexander Anatolyevich Demchyshyn, Thermal Power Engineer, Ukraine, 2011

Introduction

Due to the depletion of fossil fuel reserves and the high cost of thermal and electrical energy derived from them, the search for and use of new renewable and low-cost energy sources is highly relevant.

This article describes the possibility of creating a cycle for the production of oxygen, hydrogen, thermal, and electrical energy using a renewable energy source — environmental heat.

The basis of the proposed cycle is the "SVETA" process, an alternative to the Mark cycle by Westinghouse [1].

The "SVETA" process involves the reduction of sulfuric acid into sulfur and oxygen using environmental heat. The recovered sulfur is then used to produce sulfuric acid, yielding hydrogen and generating thermal and electrical energy. The resulting sulfuric acid is again reduced via the "SVETA" process to sulfur and oxygen, and so on…

Thus, environmental heat is the only energy source used in this cycle.

1. Description of the Setup

The process of reducing sulfuric acid (H₂SO₄) to sulfur (S), oxygen (O₂), and water (H₂O) using environmental heat was implemented by the author in October 2010 using a homemade setup (Figure 1).

This setup is an electrochemical cell with two chambers containing copper wire electrodes (E1 and E2), separated by a homemade ion-exchange membrane (IEM) made from KU-2-8 cation-exchange resin powder.

One chamber contains an acidic solution (sulfuric acid + water).
The other contains an alkaline solution (baking soda + water).
Electrodes generate ~100 mV potential difference.
Cell resistance: ~100 Ohms.

2. Description of the Experiment

The goal was to produce:

Hydrogen in the alkaline chamber, and

Oxygen in the acidic chamber.

Gas outlets were provided for each chamber. However, the result was unexpected.

Instead of hydrogen, yellow crystalline sulfur began forming in the alkaline chamber. No gas bubbles or hydrogen emission was observed. In the acidic chamber, oxygen bubbles formed on the electrode.

The process led to:

Cooling of both solutions below ambient temperature.

A rise in the liquid level in the alkaline chamber and a drop in the acidic one.

Electrodes remained unchanged after the experiment.

3. Analysis of the Results

Expected hydrogen production did not occur.

Instead:

Hydrogen ions moved through the membrane into the alkaline chamber and reduced the sulfonic groups of the cation-exchange membrane to elemental sulfur and water:

-SO₃⁻ + 6H⁺ + 5ē → S↓ + 3H₂O (1)

Sulfuric acid in the acidic chamber replenished the reduced sulfonic groups.

Electrons flowed from E1 to E2 due to:

4OH⁻ - 4ē → 2H₂O + O₂↑ (2)

Water and sulfur accumulation caused the rise in the alkaline chamber.
Loss of H⁺ ions and oxygen production lowered the level in the acidic chamber.

4. Conclusions

Energy and Environmental Value:

Sulfuric acid was reduced to sulfur, oxygen, and water without energy or material input — powered solely by environmental heat.

Oxygen Production:

Occurs via reduction of sulfuric acid, with gas collected from the acidic chamber.

Hydrogen Production:

Possible through reactions:

S + O₂ → SO₂ (3)
SO₂ + 2H₂O → H₂SO₄ + H₂ (4)

Reaction (4) is from the Mark 11 Westinghouse cycle and occurs at ~0.17V, vs. 1.23V needed for traditional water electrolysis.

Potential to combine reactions (3) and (4) catalytically:

S + O₂ + 2H₂O → H₂SO₄ + H₂ (5)

Electricity Generation:

The restored sulfur, oxygen, and water can be used as recyclable fuel.

Sulfuric acid production from sulfur is exothermic, generating steam for turbines.

From 1 ton of sulfur → 6 tons of superheated steam → 1,500 kWh.

Using hydrogen in fuel cells offers higher efficiency and lower fuel costs.

Cost Advantage:

Fuel cost is 70–80% of traditional production.

This cycle reduces costs by the same percentage.

Conclusion

To explore production of other valuable materials and scale up to pilot industrial setups, extended lab experiments are needed using:

Various solutions,

Different types of ion-exchange and bipolar membranes.

Particularly promising is the reduction of CO₂ to carbon and hydrocarbons.
References

Shpilrain E.E., Introduction to Hydrogen Energy, Moscow, Energoatomizdat, 1984, p. 123.
Korovin N.V., Electrochemical Energy, Moscow, Energoatomizdat, 1991, p. 127.

sergh	Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #57 on: 2025-08-07, 12:40:28 »
Full Member Posts: 119	Criticism: The statement that sulfur was released in the alkaline part of the electrolyzer caused doubt. That is, sulfur somehow penetrated from the acid part of the electrolyzer through the cation membrane into the alkaline part. Well, I don't know if that's possible. Maybe it's not sulfur, but copper that is released, although the author claims that the copper electrodes have not changed.

chief kolbacict	Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #58 on: 2025-08-25, 13:38:10 »
Sr. Member Posts: 370	There are subtitles. https://youtu.be/PlW8DfLNGfE

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Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #59 on: 2025-08-25, 17:24:38 »

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Quote from: sergh on 2025-08-05, 10:25:27

This is the case if we imagine time as an independent, separate phenomenon.
But what if we imagine time as a process of the formation of matter and space by a field of virtual particles due to the energy of the so-called Big Bang? In the current period, here and now.
In quantum matters, nothing was ever visible.
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The interference fringes are clearly visible. And when conditions are changed at a point along the path of a photon AFTER it has passed through, the interference fringes change or disappear. This is not a matter of imagination about what time might be, it is the result of experiments, notably John Archibald Wheeler's delayed choice experiment.
So clearly, in quantum mechanics, time does not flow as we intuitively understand it in everyday life.
And on a macroscopic scale, we have so much experimental evidence that it is indeed a fourth dimension of space-time that I cannot even see how any strategy could cast doubt on it.
So I am willing to make any hypothesis about time, but it must be compatible with everything we already know and observe.

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sergh	Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #60 on: 2025-08-25, 19:47:49 »
Full Member Posts: 119	Okay, "time" doesn't exist, there is a sequential reproduction of space in the 4th dimension, which people are used to calling "time". What's wrong?

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Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #61 on: 2025-08-28, 08:35:35 »

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Let's not talk about “existence” since we don't have access to what reality might be, only to what we see of it (which is not necessarily proof of the existence of anything).

Time as “sequential reproduction of space” was what we believed before the evidence of relativity, namely the evolution of the universe in relation to an external parameter evolving in a stable and linear fashion, time.

The transition to the fourth dimension is a complete paradigm shift. We can no longer say that space varies in relation to the fourth dimension: that is false.
This universal parameter, which was assumed to be external to the universe, is now an internal parameter that is no longer universal or independent. This is the key point. It depends on the other three dimensions and on every movement through one or the other, just as the dimensions of space depend on it.
We no longer have an evolution in relation to time, since time itself is part of the evolution. It must be seen as an emergence of the dynamics of the universe, and not as an absolute parameter in relation to which the universe would evolve.

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sergh

Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #62 on: 2025-08-28, 10:38:42 »

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I was prompted to think by the discovery of time crystals, which you have heard about.
Time crystals, as objects capable of functioning in time.
Let time be a term that everyone is accustomed to, although some understand this term differently.

so, rough, shallow sketches of the world:
How are dimensions formed in geometry? Let's say 2-dimensional is formed from the intersection of two one-dimensional. 3-dimensional is formed from the intersection of several two-dimensional.
So, 4-dimensional? The intersection of several three-dimensional spaces? What does this even mean? Of course, the real physics of the world may not necessarily coincide with geometry.
If scientists assume that before the Big Bang there was neither time nor space, then what could the "Big Bang" actually be? Maybe the beginning of the intersection of several 3D spaces with different positions in the 4th dimension? How much energy does one 3-D space have relative to another when they intersect? What is the phenomenon called "energy" in our space?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6wFZp-bo3A

What then is the speed of light, as the maximum possible speed of disturbance transmission in our space? The speed of intersection of 3-D spaces?
A solid body and the gravity associated with it? Local slowing down of intersection?

I am not sure that further discussions in this direction are appropriate in the topic, especially since this requires a serious scientific basis.

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Chet K

Re: RedOx reactions and Zero Point Energy « Reply #63 on: 2025-11-27, 12:46:33 »

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Quote from: Chet K on 2024-05-28, 17:06:08

Chief
Me too …
Side note:
We have now Beryllium water dissasociation claim

Also Sam Leach, lithium Nitrate 20ppm in water at 500 psi ( sold to budget car rental and shelved .
Edit on Sam Leach claim
Above lithium nitrate claim was said to run an engine ( appeared in a national magazine showing it running engines
On water At test lab with no explanation how they did it
Sam leach shared the missing bit prior to his death….

Edit
Here they chase the “biology “ behind the “energy” in our bodies
At 38:min ( approximately)
The mechanism or ingredients which weaken waters bonds ( certain types of salt)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UqrewYGJJ4E&t=6s&pp=2AEGkAIB
Nano bubbles ( are NOT micro bubbles)

And they seem much closer to figuring it all out ( the reactions that bring energy into a reality to drive our body,
An unknown at this point in time ( like what “IS” gravity or magnetism or etc etc

Not what it does
What “is” it …??

Fascinating fellow and researcher
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Barry Ninham

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Professor Ninham is the world’s leading researcher on colloid and surface science, an interdisciplinary science combining physical, chemical and biological sciences.

He is renowned for his work in the self-assembly of biological molecules and the theory of molecular forces.

Professor Ninham and his colleagues designed world-leading technologies for desalination and for cleaning recycled water of bacteria, viruses, drugs, arsenic and nuclear waste. This technology is particularly relevant to third-world countries where access to clean water is challenging.

Respectfully submitted
Chet K

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