Woopy's kacher device... progress?

[PhysicsProf]

 Today I noticed Woopy has been making progress with his kacher device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI8ih5msk7c&feature=channel&list=UL

I like that he does experiments and reports findings...  his diagrams could be a bit more clear...

He's running a 12V DC motor while claiming no hook-up to the + of the batteries at all...  Strange if true.
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Testing all my best arround the Kacher , i have seen that there is a lot of connection possible with different results.

And especially that i can get a very standard 12 volt DC motor happily spinning a prop without any " positiv " connection to the battery. And without any charged capacitor .

OK will go sleeping and perhaps tomorrow will bring some more things

good luck at all

Laurent

Attached is his diagram, from the vid.

Does anyone know WHERE in EF or OU that Woopy is posting about this?   Do you have comments on Woopy's approach?

I'd like to try it... but can't get a clear picture of what his "kacher" coil is, that is -- HOW is it wound?  and just what is the antenna he refers to?

Any answers would be appreciated.
Steve

PS -- also, noticed today there is a Free the Energy conference in Holland 9-11 Nov 2012...
http://globalbem.com/conference/

[muDped]

There doesn't appear to be much information
available regarding "kacher" and what it means
although there is some about Brovin and his work
in developing an audible compass.

What Woopy has done seems to be the result
of Radio Frequency oscillations and a coil
structure very similar to the Tesla Coil.

Some self oscillating Solid State Tesla Coils are
built in like manner with a feedback arrangement
characteristic of the Armstrong Oscillator.

"Kacher" may refer to the method of using the
high voltage secondary coil as the feedback
connection to the transistor base.  Hopefully
additional clarification will be forthcoming.

[PhysicsProf]

There doesn't appear to be much information
available regarding "kacher" and what it means
although there is some about Brovin and his work
in developing an audible compass.

What Woopy has done seems to be the result
of Radio Frequency oscillations and a coil
structure very similar to the Tesla Coil.

Some self oscillating Solid State Tesla Coils are
built in like manner with a feedback arrangement
characteristic of the Armstrong Oscillator.

"Kacher" may refer to the method of using the
high voltage secondary coil as the feedback
connection to the transistor base.  Hopefully
additional clarification will be forthcoming.

  Yes, hopefully so!

I went to the Don Smith thread at EF based on a suggestion from Slider and found some relevant information, but that thread is HUGE. This vid by woopy is particularly helpful IMO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnHTtpPvsTQ&feature=youtu.be

This demo involves a spark coil, and he demonstrates the importance of the ground wire.  The use of AV diodes is clearly important.

 I'm impressed that in woopy's latest work with the Kacher coil, there is no spark coil needed.  I would personally prefer to replicate the latest, simpler version.  The presence of an ANTENNA is still mysterious to me -- but it is reminiscent of Moray's work IMO.

[Itsu]

Hi PP,

Woopy posts regularly on EF in the "Donald Smith Devices too good to be true" thread, and
on OU in the "Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze" thread, but in others too.

I just today replicated his experiment, using one of my kacher (different layout) and a 12V DC fan.

It seems that the AV-plugs (UF4007 diodes) are able to convert enough RF (313Khz) to DC for the fan to run on.

Video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vBFHOTrL1Q&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

[PhysicsProf]

Hi PP,

Woopy posts regularly on EF in the "Donald Smith Devices too good to be true" thread, and
on OU in the "Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze" thread, but in others too.

I just today replicated his experiment, using one of my kacher (different layout) and a 12V DC fan.

It seems that the AV-plugs (UF4007 diodes) are able to convert enough RF (313Khz) to DC for the fan to run on.

Video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vBFHOTrL1Q&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

Thank you, Itsu!  I enjoyed your vid very much and especially the SCHEMATIC which you provided to us.  Also, I found the discussion at EF (seems there is a lot of background noise on the discussion there).

Woopy noted, "12 volt DC motor happily spinning a prop without any " positiv " connection to the battery"  -- but your schematic shows a connection to the positive of the battery...  Can you explain what Woopy meant?

Also, can you measure the output CURRENT from the battery?  that would tell us a lot, IMO.  (I will post this at EF also, but hope you will respond here.)

[Itsu]

Hi PhysicsProf,

-- but your schematic shows a connection to the positive of the battery if I understand correctly

Looking at my diagram, i don not see a connection to the positive of the battery.
One AV-plug goes to minus/ground of the battery, the other AV-plug goes to the antenne through the output coil, same as with Woopy's.

Anyway, this kacher i used has an input of 24.5V at 1.6A, so almost 40W!
Most is lost in heat (transistor) and RF (330Khz), and the fan (12V / 0.22A) runs of this RF via the antenna/ground.

Regards Itsu.

[GibbsHelmholtz]

I've notice that these circuits with low energy consumption while tapping into high voltage have something in common:  loose coupling.

Most of the highly tuned circuit consumed just as much as idle when loaded.  The only thing they can tune to is the inductance not being used.  Maybe the key to "extra efficiency" revolves around loose inductive coupling. 

[exnihiloest]

...
Looking at my diagram, i don not see a connection to the positive of the battery.
...

You have an obvious connection to the positive of the battery (otherwise you could completely remove the battery)!
So what do you mean?!
- that the intermediate coil has an open terminal?
The intermediate coil is capacitively coupled to the primary, providing the reaction for the transistor to oscillate.
- that the output coil has no connection to the positive?
Yes it hasn't but it is a well known basic function of a transformer to isolate an input circuit from the output.
Here the output circuit is looped through the capacity between antenna and ground and so, current is drawn from the primary coil.
Very conventional circuit. Nothing new.

[Itsu]

exnihiloest

You have an obvious connection to the positive of the battery...

Very conventional circuit. Nothing new.

i agree, how else could the motor run.
But how i picked up the question from physicsProf was:
"is there a direct (physical) connection between the motor and the positive of the battery".

There is none, only a inductive/capacitive coupled connection like you explained.

Thanks for your comments,  regards Itsu

[Hoppy]

Its surprising to me how people still view this type of capacitively coupled circuit as in some way magical. As exnihiloest say's - nothing new.

Hoppy

[GibbsHelmholtz]

Before semiconductor, sand is sand.  Nothing new.

[muDped]

Very true.  This is nothing new to the "Old Hands" who've played
with these kinds of circuits in their youth.

But back then, when we were making our discoveries (becoming
educated in technology) it seemed new and fantastic.  Only to be
told by the Old Hands even then that it was really nothing new...

Sure, some of the devices are new (refined sand) but the concepts
are ageless.

As we learn we become "Old Hands" who watch the newbs begin
their journies into the wonderful world of Radio Frequency "magic."

And so it goes, et cetera, et cetera, etc...

[exnihiloest]

exnihiloest

i agree, how else could the motor run.

Well we have the choice: the ZPE of Bearden, the EM waves from Aviso, the ambient heat, the scalar waves of Meyl... in brief all the magic of "free energy"! 

But how i picked up the question from physicsProf was:
"is there a direct (physical) connection between the motor and the positive of the battery".
There is none, only a inductive/capacitive coupled connection like you explained.
Thanks for your comments,  regards Itsu

Ok now it's clear and we agree. Thanks!

[PhysicsProf]

Itsu:  But how i picked up the question from physicsProf was:
"is there a direct (physical) connection between the motor and the positive of the battery".
There is none, only a inductive/capacitive coupled connection like you explained.
Thanks for your comments,  regards Itsu

Exnihiloest:  Ok now it's clear and we agree. Thanks!

I agree also; thanks for clarifying Itsu and others.   Itsu's latest vid also responds to my (actual) question by showing the voltage drop on the battery and the current draw --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqsKujwawxE&feature=em-uploademail 

[muDped]

Itsu's video is excellent!  Thanks much for the link PP.

(In Japanese "itsu" means "when." Pronunc. = EE-tsu)

He's not but this illustrates how words in one language
can mean something in another language too.

I'm still curious about why the coil is referred to as a
"Kacher Coil."  Does anyone know the history on this?

I haven't been able to dig anything up at all on "Kacher"
which sheds any light... 

[Farmhand]

I'm still curious about why the coil is referred to as a
"Kacher Coil."  Does anyone know the history on this?

I haven't been able to dig anything up at all on "Kacher"
which sheds any light...  

I think it's called that because of that's the name of the guy who came up with that
particular method of triggering the switching, "Brovin Kacher" I think is his name.
I couldn't find out much either by searching the Net.
Maybe it should be referred to as a "Kacher oscillator" or something because it would
seem to be a Tesla transformer but self oscillating - "Self oscillating resonant air core transformer".
I made the circuit and used it on a pre existing transformer, it does work well,
but mine heated the transistor quite a bit. Still a promising circuit, mine changed
switching frequency depending on the load.

Cheers

[muDped]

After a couple of hours of creative "searching" with various
search terms there is finally some "light."

"Kacher" is probably nothing more than slang or possibly
a spelling error.  But it's caught on and is probably here
to stay - even though nobody is certain how it came to
be or whether it has any connection to the circuit at all.

The web page link provided by xenomorphlabs (when
translated) is very interesting.

It really is a variant of the Tesla Coil.

[Itsu]

@ Dumped,

(In Japanese "itsu" means "when." Pronunc. = EE-tsu)

thanks for this, nice to know, it was actually the name of my deceased dog (a Siberian Husky)

Yes, that weblink you found has some very intresting information, and google translate does a reasonable job here.

But if this sentence is really accurate i have my doubts:

To begin understanding the theory of the engine with 800% efficiency we take a simple generator.

Regards Itsu

[giantkiller]

After a couple of hours of creative "searching" with various
search terms there is finally some "light."

"Kacher" is probably nothing more than slang or possibly
a spelling error.  But it's caught on and is probably here
to stay - even though nobody is certain how it came to
be or whether it has any connection to the circuit at all.

The web page link provided by xenomorphlabs (when
translated) is very interesting.

It really is a variant of the Tesla Coil.

Yep. Just modify the discharge stage to match the load confiuration of the intened process target. Same as it ever was.
Now just bend it into a ring and have the head bite the tail.

What translator did you use? Bing does nothing in my attempts.
Thanks.

[NickZ]

  Guys:
 Interesting video on the original Brovin/Kacher device, and the purpose it was used for.  I know that Dumped has already posted the link. Was that actually his name? Or, did it mean something like the "Exciter", but a "catcher" of local ambient energies, instead.
 Now many different versions of Dr. Stiffler's Exciter circuits are being worked on. But, I wonder, what happened with the Doc? Maybe he developed the no battery higher powered version? And is not telling...
 
 I have also been staying up to all hours of the night working on my version of the Exciter circuit.  But, when I am using a 12v LAB, 4.5 ah battery, as the source battery, the smaller transistors get very, very hot. Sometimes in just seconds, a 2n2222 turned red hot, and actually lit on fire, smoke all over the place.
I'm using two 1n4148 diode and a tuning led on the base now, but still getting too much heat on the transistor.  It works ok using 3 to 10 volts, but not on 12v, or higher voltages that would give good results otherwise.
Maybe someone has an idea that would help, before my wife kicks me off of the kitchen table (again), for starting fires.
   
  Brovin/Kacher video:  Just as reference
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMiNnHzFsRQ

[muDped]

What translator did you use? Bing does nothing in my attempts.
Thanks.

I used Google Translate.  It does a pretty fair job.

Maybe someone has an idea that would help...

Mouser, and possibly other electronic retailers, have available some of the
new small high power transistors made especially for saturated switching.
They're about the same size as the PN2222 but are able to carry several
amperes of current.  I'll see if I can come up with a few type numbers and
prices...

NPN and PNP switching transistors.

The pages have links to the Data Sheets.  For some reason the PNP
is about half the cost  ($0.24) of the NPN ($0.59) but considering
the specs that doesn't seem too bad.  I use them in some of my
projects.

[NickZ]

  Thanks for looking into this Dumped.  I may just have to use lower voltages, or the bigger transistors like a 2n3055, TIP31, and such.  Your thought on mosfets might also work. Some guys have mentioned that the IRF 530 and some others work on voltages under 15v. The small transistors like the MPSA06 are very cheap though, like 20 for $20, and were the ones recommended by the Doc.  He used two resonant tuned towers, instead of just one, like we are now using in the Slayer type exciters, which are very much like the Kacher set up. The different Kacher devices are getting more and more useful also.

  GiantKiller:  snake bitting its tale is what is happening alright.  What would be the advantage of the toroid shape?  It guess it may depend if the idea is to transmit the energy wireless, or to use a wired connection from the coils to the light bulbs. I was using small ferrite toroids at first as a trigger coil on my Exciter, but I'm not using them any more, as it is not really needed, especially when using higher voltages over 10 volts. My circuit fires right up with no more tuning or adjustments. It's just the transistor overheating that I'm concerned about.

Itsu: Nice video of your Katcher.  Does the longer antenna idea like you are using work additionally well for added power output? As there can be be some extra energy that may be harvested from the ambient, if the device is working properly.

  Here's a couple of pictures of my current set up, as well as a video of my Exciter running on no battery, as well as on a single homemade carbon/Al power cell. 
             Video:
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xur_VChGdzE&feature=youtu.be

  NickZ

[giantkiller]

 GiantKiller:  snake bitting its tale is what is happening alright.  What would be the advantage of the toroid shape?  It guess it may depend if the idea is to transmit the energy wireless, or to use a wired connection from the coils to the light bulbs. I was using small ferrite toroids at first as a trigger coil on my Exciter, but I'm not using them any more, as it is not really needed, especially when using higher voltages over 10 volts. My circuit fires right up with no more tuning or adjustments. It's just the transistor overheating that I'm concerned about.

 Here's a couple of pictures of my current set up, as well as a video of my Exciter running on no battery, as well as on a single homemade carbon/Al power cell.  
            Video:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xur_VChGdzE&feature=youtu.be

 NickZ

Switch to the 3055 or IRF840s, 530s and retune. You got the heatsink there so use it. I use 12 ATV batteries.
For a current update I am modifying one of my stun guns to be the generator. Instead of letting the final / 3rd / discharge stage be the end I have directed the two ends into another larger spark gap / L / C like most of Tesla's Colorado Springs notes' schematics. I am mostly concerned with the series lc and tuning  into a fourth stage. As the voltage goes even higher with lower current then the new energy that Tesla spoke of becomes apparent. This is the TPU process.
So instead of worring about the generation and transfer stages focus on the discharge stage and how one can spread the final stage into multiple magnifying stages. The transfer and 1st discharge stage can easily be done with ignition coils. Not trying to change your direction just adding to the growth of your circuit and process.
Let me clarify:
The generation is the oscillator and inductive coupling to the spark gap stage, both are included. The transfer is the high impedance coil stage. Many fine windings with the high speed switching bounces the impedance even higher than just firing against a tuned coil. Let the spark gap be the worker not the transistor or the fet. By letting the spark gap ring the coil the transistor does not do the brute force work.
The ring shape gives an oscillating toriodal field with a compression center. Also the discharge stage can then feed or aid the generation stage by firing back into itself. Remember some of the TPU statements talked about the TPU creating lightning. Nothing fancy. The coils work naturally. Your setups already produce lightning.  

There is an interesting statement in the attached.

[NickZ]

    @ GiantKiller:
   I don't understand Russian, but this video showing the lighting of a 60 watt incandescent bulb by a Kacher device has got my attention.  I love incandescent bulbs, and their quality of light.
  Reminds my of your circle with the gap, the slit copper tube they use inside the kacher.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Sm-xKiStXBQ#!

  I just broke my favorite gutted CFL bulb which gave off a similar light (warm white light). Bummer!  But, I have a couple more of those warm white ungutted CFLs, that will also light off of my Exciter, even with their internal circuits still intacked.
  I managed to control the transistor overheating issue today by using a Ac to Dc wall adapter. It outputs 6 volts, and works almost as well as a 12v battery, but without the transistor going up in smoke and catching on fire. Maybe that's what they mean by kacher...

  What happens inside of the Exciter/Kacher coil is very similar to the workings of a toroid, as both types of coils compress and spin a vortex.  The straight tube does not need to be in circle, as it is already cylindrical inside.
  Here is a video that I just made showing the Exciter running on just a 5 volt cell phone Ac to Dc wall adapter.
  It's no wheres near the brightness compared to using a 12v battery, but it can run all night long without heating up the transistor.
  I also got my circuit going on solar today. Just using three garden light solar cells, to charge a Lithium 3 volt battery.  That worked almost as well on the Exciter as the cell phone charger to light the CFLs, and Leds, and with no heat build up, also
  My latest video:
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnySZEno9W8&feature=youtu.be
 

[muDped]

I managed to control the transistor overheating issue today by
using an Ac to Dc wall adapter. It outputs 6 volts, and works almost
as well as a 12v battery, but without the transistor going up in smoke
and catching on fire. Maybe that's what they mean by kacher...

Aye, those hot transistor problems can be very difficult to diagnose
and cure without an oscillocope.

In order for the transistor to operate efficiently with the higher input
voltage it is necessary to adjust the biasing to assure that it functions
as a Class C (or preferably Class E) power amplifier.  Unfortunately most
simple regenerative oscillator circuits will function Class AB or B which
means that they'll run hot when the input voltage is upped.

With a scope it's possible to analyze the operational mode and add
certain components to "tune" the transistor for maximum output signal
while keeping it in the highly efficient Class C mode with narrow driving
pulses.

Without a scope there are things which may be done too.  I'll see if I can
find some simple diagrams to make the point.

In the meantime, as you've verified, reducing the input voltage always works.  

The Wiki article provides a good explanation.

A page with some "tricks."

The other two pages are cool too - links at the top of the page.



The diagram above shows how "self-bias" can be added to a
transistor hookup between the Emitter and Gnd.  The resistor
may range from about 47 Ohms to several hundred ohms
depending upon the voltage powering the circuit.  The Capacitor
is typically about 0.01 uF to 0.22 uF for RF circuits.

The self bias will work to stabilize transistor operation when
the circuit is powered over a range of voltages;  the input supply
voltage may be reasonably increased without hazarding the
transistor.  Self biasing will tend to limit current pulses to a
fairly safe range.