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   We may know about the Yildiz magnetic motor by the end of the week, as Sterling Allan has flown to Geneva to observe - along with many others -- the Yildiz device.  His day-by-day blog is here:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Event:2013:Validating_Muammer_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_for_30_Days_at_European_University

Here is a magnetic motor going on public, international display beginning April 10, 2013.
Please note, there is no need to make pre-judgements about this motor; we can observe and decide for ourselves.

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Update (as of April 5, 2013): Mr. Yildiz has been invited by the Turkish patent office to demonstrate his all-magnet motor at the Inventors Expo in Geneva, Switzerland, from April 10-14. They are paying his way. He plans to have more than one motor, and for at least one of them to run the entire duration. The idea is to run it more than long enough to rule out the possibility of hidden batteries inside. Yildiz has invited me to participate in this event, and thanks to so many of you who have chipped in, I will be attending and reporting from there.

This page is to provide an updated chronicle of events pertaining to the test of Muammer Yildiz' All-Magnet Motor at the Inventors Expo in Geneva, Switzerland from April 10-14, 2013. At least three universities will be involved in observing and documenting the demonstrations done there. After the Geneva expo, Mr. Yildiz plans to have the motor(s) tested in a university lab, in a more controlled environment. Yildiz is very determined to achieve vindication, after all these years of people questioning his technology and his motives.

As these things are accomplished, the scientific world will have to revise their models of physics that predict that such a motor is impossible. Also, Yildiz will have the verification he needs to bring this to market. He may also do an open license (allowing people download plans, build a company, remit royalty once commercial) on the lower power version in the range of 1 kW.
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Sterling is keeping us apprised by his enthusiastic (not to say hyped) vids... Here's the latest I've seen, from earlier today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TBjeOvZAqKg

Sterling claims that copper pennies will stick to the device... strange if true.

Note that the public display/testing begins tomorrow, 10 April.
   

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Same old speakly. Nothing new if nothing is shown. I don't want to hear him talk about coulda, shoulda, woulda! OOh How exciting...

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there was some mention on the colman galespy 70 yr battery which had a   self sustaining non ferrous electromagnetic characteristic [I just can't find that claim ATM]


also this nonferrous magnet

http://www.rexresearch.com/mrmagnet/mrmagnet.htm

   
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We went to expense of visiting him in Turkey a year (or years now?) ago ... there has ALWAYS been excuses as to why it couldn't run more than an hour or so. We are there again now to see if anything has changed.
   

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Sterling claims that copper pennies will stick to the device... strange if true.

I hope thats not UK Copper pennies as they are copper plated iron these days  O0
   
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If you could get the part number from his driving fans as well as the dimensions on his "torque Tube"?
we can do a control run and tell exactly  how much load is being demonstrated by that setup.

RPM, duration   ...and temperature at time of test, also humidity and atmospheric pressure  ,  will completely nail the controls validity.

  the best of course would be  if he'll offer up a spare blade for a few weeks ??


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@giantkiller -- I am not endorsing this device, but I would like to have freedom of information about it and decide for myself based on evidence.

10 April:  The link
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Event:2013:Validating_Muammer_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_for_30_Days_at_European_University

does not work for me today, the opening day of the demonstration.

 Indeed, I can't even open "peswiki.com" .  "Not found".  Is anyone else having this problem?

We went to expense of visiting him in Turkey a year (or years now?) ago ... there has ALWAYS been excuses as to why it couldn't run more than an hour or so. We are there again now to see if anything has changed.
Welcome to the forum, Mark. 
"We are there again now " -- are you in Geneva then?  Can you tell us if they have the device running at the expo? 
   
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there was some mention on the colman galespy 70 yr battery which had a   self sustaining non ferrous electromagnetic characteristic [I just can't find that claim ATM]


also this nonferrous magnet

http://www.rexresearch.com/mrmagnet/mrmagnet.htm



Here is the 1953 patent for the Colman - Gillespie battery. Interesting LENR reaction.
To continuously produce 1kW it needs to be RF excited once an hour for 15-30 seconds at 300MHz. The wattage of the short UHF blast is unknown, though the LENR aspect (and gamma rays) probably suggest input power less than 1kW/h to keep it running continuously for 70-80 years.
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Thx for the document,I can see its quite simple indeed....[stupid simple actually]

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No go on that link here?

 April:  The link
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Event:2013:Validating_Muammer_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_for_30_Days_at_European_University

I do see MH is commenting on a disappointing streaming vid at the You tube link you posted.
HERE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TBjeOvZAqKg

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OK, I see it -- thanks, Mike. 

Posted message from Sterling:



http://pesn.com/2013/04/10/9602291_Yildiz_magnet-motor_runs_5.5-hours_at_Geneva_demo_day_1/
 
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Report on the Yildiz Magnet Motor Demo in Geneva, April 10, 2013; 4:30 pm GMT.
by Sterling D. Allan
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PESWiki (which is where http://YildizDemo.com forwards) seems to be down presently, so I'm sending this report out by email to our mailing list. I've sent a notice to our server provider to inform them of the outage. Hopefully it will be repaired soon. Meanwhile, the live stream can be found at http://www.justin.tv/pesnetwork
 
We've had a lot of internet connectivity problems here at Palexpo [low-quality, expensive internet service], so most of the morning the feed was not going out. That is in process of being resolved with a Cat5 connection with 1 Mbs upload speed (cost $432 to set that up for the remaining 4 days). I forgot that internet is not nearly as robust in Europe as it is in the US, and I expected that the Expo wifi would be adequate.

This morning, when Mr. Yildiz went to start the motor at around 10:05 am, shortly after the conference opened, it didn't start. He pulled it into a closet at their booth for about 20 minutes, then emerged. Then he started it by the way you've seen on the web.

The motor ran from 10:28 am to 2:50 pm GMT, nearly 5.5 hours.
 
It started at 2600 rpm, then went up in speed to 2673, then down and up that range for about 3 hours.
 
Then, a magnet was "loose", and the motor began to slow.  Then, he said that the magnet alignment malfunction began to cascade so that 3 were out of line. By 2:21, the speed was 2064.  A noise could be heard from the motor, so he turned it off.
 
Then, at 3:10 pm, he turned it on again, and it went to 1930 rpm, then began dropping rapidly
1734 rpm at 3:12
1522 at 3:15
He stopped it at 3:16  pm

The temperature was around 23 degrees on the front and back bearings, just 1 degree C above room temp: 22 C

So presently, the motor is off.
 
He plans to work on it this evening, then run it again tomorrow, hopefully all day (and hopefully through the night too).
 
Assistant professor Duarte is present. Last night he openly stated to the group of about 12 people assembled in a villa in France, that he has seen inside the motor and there are no batteries in there.
 
Also, yesterday, Yildiz demonstrated an effect in which copper coins (which normally are not attracted to magnets) stuck to the outside of the magnet motor, while silver-colored coins (which normally are attracted to magnets) drop off the outside of the same motor body -- the opposite of what you would expect. This illustrates that there is something very unusual going on.

Duarte also points out that with magnets rotating around in vicinity of aluminum that there should be eddy currents and heat produced; but that is not observed in this set-up. (Remember, he saw inside and saw the magnets.)
 
The booth has been busy with observers all day up until about 4 pm. Now that the motor is stopped, the walk-by interest has dropped significantly, as could be understood.
 
He hasn't run the smaller motor at all today yet. When I get free here, I hope to ask him to run it. I want to burn my hand on the shaft trying to stop it with bare hands. That motor has no control, so it has to be stopped by gloves on the shaft to prevent it from speeding to destruction.
 
Rene and his film crew have been here all day, including for about an hour after the motor was stopped.

I had to fork out $34 SF (close to USD) for lunch. Crazy expensive here. The airport next door will be much cheaper, and you all know how expensive airport food is.

Having a great time. Thanks for enabling me to come here.  I think it will be well worth the trip.

I've shot a lot of photos and video, and will be getting some of that up soon, hopefully.
 
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  About the "copper" coins -- Sterling did a vid of experiments and makes an important correction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7f3JSB3948&feature=youtu.be

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Test (as you would expect): Coins Attracted to Yildiz Magnet Motor at Palexpo April 10


Published on Apr 10, 2013

It turns out that "copper" colored coins are not pure copper, but contain iron or other ferrous metal that is attracted to magnets. So what I reported yesterday is nullified by this test.

But it is another demonstration to show that the device is magnetic.

Not surprised by this correction.
   
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Various videos acquired by Sterling at the Geneva expo are linked here:

http://pesn.com/2013/04/10/9602292_Yildiz_All-Magnet-Motor_Demo_Blog/

From one of these, we see Yildiz and the banner behind him; see attached. 
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I watched those videos on pesn,and was wondering what is ment by ! magnetic assisted motor's !!? Im also wondering as to why the small one they spun to show this magnetic assistance just didnt keep going if they are an all magnet motor?.
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Not looking so good now -- neither machine is running at the Expo.
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Thursday April 11, 11:40 am GMT: Waiting for Silicon to Dry

Yildiz made some repairs last night. Waiting for the silicon (adhesive) to dry. But even then, because some of the magnet fragments from yesterday's failure are loose in the device, Yildiz doesn't want to risk cascading failure, so he is not likely to try for a continuous run, though he will be turning it on and off for special visitors.

It would take him a day and a half to take the motor apart, clean up the fragments, and reassemble the motor

They are also hoping to do a demo of the smaller motor, but it doesn't have a controller on it, so it has to be stopped by grabbing the shaft with a glove (or taking it apart [which isn't an option in an open setting like this]).

I found the meter used to measure RPM's - it also can measure temperature (non-contact):
http://www.extech.com/instruments/product.asp?catid=21&prodid=16

It is seen in one of the vids from 10 April.  Note the reading - 1517 (RPM), for this run at about 3pm on 10 April. 
   

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I find it so predictable these days,there is always something going wrong on public test day's or demonstrations-but in the privacy of there own home the things run for years without problem's.Thank god for solar.


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Ooh i know. Lets wait for further progress...

He probably needs to feed the gerbil.


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...there is always something going wrong on
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Aye.  It may simply be a case of Murphy's
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Aye.  It may simply be a case of Murphy's
Law, or then again, it may not...

I agree - experimental observations and hard work will resolve the issue... I hope!
   
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Here is today's report from Sterling relating to the Yildiz motor demo:
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Even though the motor was not continuously running, only occasionally for a brief demo, the energy of the people visiting the booth at the Inventors Expo in Geneva was still very high; and there were things observable today that were not noticed or addressed yesterday. The believers have more reason to believe.


by Sterling D. Allan
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Even though the motor was not continuously running, the energy of the people visiting the booth at the Inventors Expo in Geneva was still very high as they met other like-minded people, shared business cards, talked business, shared dreams about the future, and strategized about how to help Mr. Yildiz succeed, along with other technologies of promise.

As I returned to the Villa in France where the documentary film crew is staying (Ronny and are parked out in front with the motorhome Ronny rented for 550 Euros for the week), they asked me if I felt let down by today's lack of a motor running continuously. I told them that for me, I am glad that the motor was not running continuously, because I was able to see several significant things that I would not have seen otherwise. It makes it more real. I am even more convinced today than I was yesterday.

If it had just been a matter of the motor slowing down yesterday, before they shut it off, then I think the skepticism would have been higher, but because the noise increased, giving evidence that something had gone amiss, it was easier to believe Mr. Yildiz' explanation that some magnets had gotten out of place and could create a cascading, catastrophic failure if he kept it running continuously.

And last night, his showing Ronny, Halil, and me some of the magnet fragments he pulled out of the motor, gave physical evidence of what he was saying. And with that, it wasn't hard to imagine how some of the unretrieved fragments of the brittle neodymium magnets could be lodged elsewhere in the motor, causing problems and possibly instigating a major failure.

Actually, I was somewhat surprised that he was still willing to give the motor a run at various times throughout the day. And for me, watching the motor start and stop gave me even more confidence that it is indeed a magnet motor and not a motor powered by a hidden battery. It was obvious that the braking mechanism that caused the motor to stop, once released by Yildiz' use of the screwdriver, hit with a mallet, immediately, within maybe a 1/5 of a second, allowed the motor then accelerate to full speed. However, when he hit that mechanism in the reverse direction, to stop the motor through the brake, it took maybe 3-5 seconds to slow to a stop, which is consistent with a brake on a resisting force.

So as I described the motor to curious passers by, I would tell them that as the motor is sitting there stopped, it is under tension to want to accelerate, which it immediately does when the brake is disengaged.

There was no electric motor sound during that acceleration.

Another convincing demonstration that Yildiz did was to hold a coin perpendicular to the small motor as it was turned slowly. You could see the coin flop back and forth as the magnetic polarity passing by it changed. (Video)

Also, the behavior of that smaller motor was consistent with the concept of all-magnet power. With very slow rotation speed by hand, moving it maybe 2 rpm, you could feel a very strong cogging. It almost hurt your finger to push on the fan blade to get it past a cogging point. Yet if you pushed it a little harder, it would begin spinning for several revolutions. That behavior is completely inconsistent with how a motor would behave if there were some kind of hidden battery and motor. It is totally consistent with the notion of a magnetic motor. Throughout the day, people were toying with that propeller. That alone convinced a lot of people that there is something unusual going on here.

The closest motor that might have action like this is a stepper motor, but some of the action of Yildiz motor is not consistent with a stepper motor.

Meanwhile, the propeller on the larger motor that had the brake on it, did not turn, due to the brake, consistent with the idea of the brake holding it in place, and its release allowing its movement.


Visitors

Several celebrities in the free energy movement visited the booth today and hung out for many hours. Adolph and Inge Schneider were there, and at least Adoph had shifted from his skepticism to a very definite optimism.

Giorgio Iacuzzo from Nexus Magazine was there, and I was able to do an interview for him.

The most surprising visitor and reaction, for me, was from a person who for now does not wish to be announced, but who is a very credible figure in the field, playing an incubating role. I thought for sure he would be among the most skeptical. But I heard him tell someone, in my presence, that he has been tracking the field of free energy for many years, hunting for legitimate technologies to assist, and of all the technologies he presently knows of, this one is the most promising.

He spent several hours with Mr. Yildiz last night, was at the booth much of the day yesterday, and almost all day today. He and Yildiz' team have a very good chemistry. He is going to be arranging a laboratory testing of the motor near the end of May, which will pass full scientific rigor. They plan on testing a motor with a 5 kW load, with all necessary observation, measurement, and protocol to fully vindicate the motor. Then, he plans to help them get the engineering needed to improve the reliability of the motor and to help bring it to market.

I talked with an investor with a European company that has annual revenue of 1.5 billion, who is visiting Defkalion next week. He's also interested in the Yildiz motor, and had dinner with the above-mentioned guy, myself, and several others this evening. Fascinating conversation enjoyed by all.

One of the guys at the table also doesn’t want his face/identity to be published, but he goes by YoungTesla  at YouTube, and upon hearing his many accounts, the name is quite fitting. While still at the expo, he showed us a "superbowl" video he posted to his channel, which shows a pot of water in an 800-year-old bowl he got from India, being brought over a stove. The water vibrated instead of boiling, and raised to 160 C and never boiled. I can't remember his explanation, but it sounded plausible. He said he also has built a working magnet motor but put it on hold due to being harassed by black SUVs and such.

He explained how he thinks the Yildiz motor works. He said that what the motor does is forward the eddy current to an advanced magnet to cause it to change properties. So instead of creating heat, the eddy current enables to motor to operate. This is consistent with the measurements we took yesterday that showed that while operating at around 2600 rpm, the motor did not heat up at all. Maybe 1 degree C above room temperature at the bearings. Normally, magnets passing by aluminum (which is what the motor walls are made of) creates heat. But no heat is created in Yildiz' motor.

Another highlight from the day was meeting with a group of four guys from Slovenia who drove 8 hours to see the Yildiz motor. They have created a company, ENSTROJ, bringing forward a super-efficient, high-power motor/generator, which is now in production, recently finishing a batch of 20 motors. It was measured by Siemens to have an efficiency of 96%, with power output from between 5 kw and 100 kw. It weighs 2-3 times less than competing motors, and costs 2-3 times less. It is a great technology to pair with something like the Yildiz motor. I shot a video interview with them.

One of their scientists is also involved in LENR research, and has ideas about how to create high torque in a compact package.

I also spent time visiting with a couple of businessmen, including Dr. Ing. Mihai Sanduleac, who came from Romania to see the demonstration. We hope to drive to France either tomorrow or Saturday to visit the guy who has the Kapagen motor there, if we can contact them and make an appointment.


Coming Sunday

On Sunday, Himansh Verma from India is flying in for the demo. He asked me today what I thought about it, and based on my recommendations, he's making the trip. We helped him get his visa last week.

Who is Himansh? He's the guy I've been talking about from India who is serving as free energy scout for the Chief Minister of Punjab, the northern province. He's the one with the self-looped motor-generator technology that is now going into production. They are building manufacturing plants; and they are entertaining licensing for this technology.

This is why I have been listing that technology as #1 in our Top 5 Exotic Free Energy Technologies for a few months.  The down side is that they are still many months away from these products actually being available for customers. It takes time to ramp up the manufacturing plants.

You might ask: "If they have this self-looped motor generator technology, using off-the-shelf motors and generators, at a low cost, why would the even bother to look at other technologies?"  The answer is that they want a diverse portfolio and more than one solution. Hence, he is coming to Geneva to meet with the Yildiz magnet motor team.
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Presently (April 11, 2013 08:10:45 PM MST [GMT-8]) working on uploading videos shot today.

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I find this electric motor very interesting, any thoughts?

http://www.enstroj.si/Electric-products/emrax-motors.html

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Made in Slovenia?
Is this the group Sterling met with ?
54  HP  10 KG  96-7 % efficient

whats not to like !!

Crazy good !!

We need a good light weight motor....this is amazing .

Whats it cost??

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I have doubts about the Yildiz motor.

There's too much volume to it, for the power delivered, in intermediate runs.
I think when he goes in the closet, he winds it up and injects it with energy.  When I see him tinkering with that hammer to start it, and stop it, I can't help but think its some diversion to distract people.  The motor looks very nice, machined aluminum face, etc ,so how come he hasn't engineered a nice start/stop mechanism easily operated to match the quality of the rest of its design. I don't know, I just get a bad feeling from these guys.

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I have concerns also.  
I've been following quite a bit at http://www.justin.tv/pesnetwork#/w/5362097264

They have not run the smaller device.

It is true, however, on 10 April (first day) they ran the big motor for about 4.5 hours...
Then it had problems and repairs, and they say they only run it in spurts.
Sterling says they worked much of last night on the smaller device, but it is still not running.

Not much scientific data or showing the operation of both motors they have there - mostly they just sit idle as now.

I was hoping for long run-times to rule out batteries, functioning of both motors, temperature (at various spots) and RPM measurements (they gave a few of the latter), magnetic field readings, recording the SOUND on start-up and shut-down, power-output measurements.  Some of these measurements are straightforward to perform.
   
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