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thomasarthur	Re: Hans Coler Colleage letters survived « Reply #125 on: 2025-01-16, 11:18:16 »
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Re: Hans Coler Colleage letters survived « Reply #126 on: 2025-01-16, 16:57:59 »

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From Smudge's analysis, I get the impression that Coler didn't understand much of the invention, and that if there really was an invention, it was probably Unruh who thought it up. The problem is that most of the information comes from Coler, so it can even be misleading if you follow him.
In his conclusion to the 1947 report, CS Hudson suggested, for the 6-month extension of Coler's work, to build the device in its simplest form. I think he was right, and that today we need to take his method of simplification even further. The best method, in my opinion, is to try to acquire, from the arrangements of the device, an idea of the elementary principle that would lead to the OU. If OU occurs, it's because certain conditions have been met at a specific point in the circuit (or points, since the device has a periodic configuration). But where? Does the OU come out of the coils, the wire, the magnets, and where exactly? The whole device serves only to obtain these conditions, and certainly other ways of doing things could obtain the same ones. Without the theoretical idea, which may come from a very local arrangement at one point in the circuit or from the particularities of the materials used, something unusual that we might notice, then given the apparent instability of the system, it will be difficult if not impossible to reproduce.

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Re: Hans Coler Colleage letters survived « Reply #127 on: 2025-01-17, 11:59:10 »

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That image Thomas has just posted is the first time I (and I guess the rest of the world's population) have seen an image of the Stromerzeuger. It clearly shows the large dimensions of the device and the number of layers. The individual plates are very long so sitting under elongated flat coils it supports my conclusion that the currents induced into the plates is not primarily due to capacitve coupling between coil and plate (as believed by Coler) but more from the alternating magnetic vector potential along the elongated coil.

I agree with F6, there is no point in attempting a replicationof the device since we still do not have a detailed circuit diagram or any decent layout drawings. The unusual "local arrangement" F6 refers to is IMO the passage of RF current through magnetized steel wires attached to Fe cores, hence also passing through the cores. I can find no account of this feature being explored. I have another theory as to how this might create the anomalous effect and I am in the process of writing this up.

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Re: Hans Coler Colleage letters survived « Reply #128 on: 2025-01-21, 22:16:58 »

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Quote from: Smudge on 2025-01-17, 11:59:10

...The unusual "local arrangement" F6 refers to is IMO the passage of RF current through magnetized steel wires attached to Fe cores, hence also passing through the cores. I can find no account of this feature being explored. I have another theory as to how this might create the anomalous effect and I am in the process of writing this up.

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I've noticed that too. We know there are oscillations and also a DC current. I've already tried this type of pseudo-rectification without non-linear elements, and tried various things along these lines, only to find that it was theoretically impossible for very clear reasons using the electromagnetic tensor (discussed here). I'd have to go back to the drawing board with the mission of finding out what could make my idea, born of a misleading intuition, come true by introducing a perturbation to be sought in Coler's set-up, as this current passing through the magnetic core; there could be a particular coupling current/field.

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Re: Hans Coler Colleage letters survived « Reply #129 on: 2025-10-19, 15:40:20 »

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I am surprised that despite evidence Coler's machine did work no one has carried out this simple experiment. Coler used magnetzed steel wire as a PM connection to his Fe rods and passed current through this into the rod and out the other end. The image below shows just that where the current is supplied as fast rise-time pulses. With every amp of current pumping ~10¹⁹ polarised Bohr magnetons per second into one end (and initially the same quantity of unpolarised ones out the other) it will take a period of time for the rod to be magnetized to a constant level of flux. The coil will create a voltage pulse during that time. When the current is switched off there will be another reversed polarity pulse as the flux decays back to its start level. It would be useful to know what those pulses look like. And obviously the train of voltage pulses can drive current through a load so its should be a simple matter to find whether output power exceeds input power in this simple experiment.

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Re: Hans Coler Colleage letters survived « Reply #130 on: 2025-10-19, 18:58:47 »

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I looked at this technology years ago and found it very hard to understand because of a lack of documentation. However on comparing this technology with many other similar ones we can make some assumptions. Nothing about this technology is transparent or easy and usually relies on obscure effects.

For example, many inventors used magnets, iron or steel wires and cores which could be magnetized. We could then ask what obscure properties they possess which 99% of people might overlook?. The most obvious is oxide layering rectification ie. the foxhole rectifier. In effect, in most cases it's not what we see but what we don't. The simple act of laying one thing on top or into another could constitute a technology in itself.

So in your diagram where the magnetized steel enters an iron core it could constitute an oxide layer rectifier, an oxide rectifier with a specific break down/threshold or even a modified corona/spark gap rectifier. I have have tested all of the above and all have unique properties. It's kind of wild because it's not what it looks like, it's what it does that matters.

The next question is how could any of these obscure effects change the result?.

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Re: Hans Coler Colleage letters survived « Reply #131 on: 2025-10-20, 08:28:30 »

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@Allcanadian.
I accept what you say and perhaps the most important ignored effect concerns the fact that in 1928, where we have evidence of Coler writing about the device, enamelled copper wire did not exist. Insulated wire had silk wrapped around it. Thus atmospheric moisture could affect things and introduce electro-chemical effects; put bluntly an internal battery. A failure to reproduce the magnetstromapparat has led some to claim it worked because of that effect. However we have Coler working in the UK in 1944/45 not using silk covered wire and still getting results.

For my part I can find no evidence for the time evolution of magnetization within the rod due to pumping spin-polarised electrons into one end. Clearly there will be a magnetization rise-time that varies spatiaily along the rod that will be a characteristic depending on the volume and shape. Larger volume and longer length will exhibit greater rise-time. If a system is using that effect it must be tuned to that, and Coler/Unruh must have found the overall architecture to do that by trial and error. We are in a much better situation with our high tech instruments but it appears no one has tried to find this important information. If the frequency response for Fe rod dimensions as used by Coler agrees with his 180Khz operating frequency then that would be a pointer to this being the mechanism for his results. Followed by the building of a less-complicated system to exploit the effect.

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