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Yes, we do indeed have all the tools we need to creatively solve virtually any problem.

It's just that it becomes increasingly difficult to preserve devices of Old Technology in their working original form when replacement parts become difficult to find.

Perhaps one day we'll be able to re-manufacture replicas of the extinct devices with ease and with accuracy at little cost.

Some of us just don't want to forget the Old Technology which has served as stepping stones which assisted in our getting to where we are today.

In many respects the Old Stuff was quite remarkable.


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What is "Electron Spin?"

Do Electrons actually spin?

Electrons DO NOT spin!

For the "Rest of the Story" go here.


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Thank you for pointing out this very educational video, muDped. 


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The new technologies do not come from nowhere but from the progress of ideas since, especially, the renaissance, notably with Galileo, that is to say from the moment when man understood that he can access by his own intelligence, to the rules of functioning of nature, without having to put back to God to explain anything by summarizing by "the ways of god are mysterious".
The man who trusts himself rather than God, has been the effective and fruitful method to understand the world and from there, to create technology.
Since we were starting from scratch, the progress was meteoric.

The need for twisted explanations, secrets, metaphysics or the paranormal to explain historical evidence is for me a remnant of religious thinking that still wants to believe in the magical.

Yes, it is quite true that New Technologies "do not come from nowhere but from the progress of ideas since, especially, the renaissance, notably with Galileo, that is to say from

the moment when man understood that he can access by his own intelligence, to the rules of functioning of nature, without having to put back to God to explain anything by

summarizing by "the ways of god are mysterious"."


For example, today there is much research and development ongoing in the areas of Robotics, Artificial Intelligence and Trans-Humanism.

Are these indeed New Technologies or are they technologies which actually had their beginnings in antiquity?

Looking at the Science of Antiquity and how it relates to Modern Technological Developments.

Who was it who once said:  "There is nothing new under the sun?"


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For example, today there is much research and development ongoing in the areas of Robotics, Artificial Intelligence and Trans-Humanism.

Are these indeed New Technologies or are they technologies which actually had their beginnings in antiquity?

Looking at the Science of Antiquity and how it relates to Modern Technological Developments.

Who was it who once said:  "There is nothing new under the sun?"

Greek antiquity was very fertile for ideas: math, logic, rhetoric but very few practical applications came out of it. In physics, the distance between the earth and the sun has been calculated and everyone knows Archimedes' principle. And perhaps from Archimedes also comes this fabulous machine of Antikythera, possibly an astronomical clock.

So of course today, we could say that everything comes from there, but it is not the case. Modern science, from Galileo onwards, did not rely on Greek discoveries, but it is likely that they influenced the pioneers of modern science, notably Copernicus and Kepler concerning heliocentrism.

Some people will say that the atom had already been discovered 3 to 4 centuries before JC because there were atomists, like Democritus. But this is not true. Of the (abundant) ideas that there were in the Greek culture, we always find some a posteriori, by biased selection, which correspond more or less to our modern knowledge. But they were philosophical conceptions of the world, not based on experimental verification, not science in the sense of today. The atom was never described precisely by the Greeks, nor its mass quantified. It was only intuitions, and among them, some are right, others wrong.
Nobody in the ancient world had or could have the intuition of a 4-dimensional universe or of quantum mechanics, the top of our knowledge.
What we find in your link is of the same type, even if it concerns more the mythology with the human/animal hybrids than the ancient science and philosophy: a connection with the inventions of the ancient writers. Mythical beings are in all cultures. If the man of the past had them, the modern man has them too, but he can realize them. It is not the past that influences him, it is his own interest, guided by the general propensity of men to have power over the world, including the manipulation of the living.

Certainly we progress on the shoulders of giants, as said elsewhere, but the progress is not linear. There are jumps. Our experience of the world has always been that of a 3D universe which evolves in a time which is external to it. The idea that time is only one of the dimensions of our universe and not absolute is typically one of these jumps. But to arrive at this, we had to go through the whole past of ideas. It is also because the past ideas do not explain everything, that we look for what they do not explain and that we nevertheless observe. The ideas of the past are as necessary when they are relevant (then we keep them), as when they are not (then we just look for what we miss). Antiquity or the past in general does not give us a pile of bricks with which the future should be built. I see progress as a dynamic non-linear evolution, which produces more and more complex bricks, as time goes by.


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Certainly we progress on the shoulders of giants, as said elsewhere, but the progress is not linear. There are jumps. Our experience of the world has always been that of a 3D universe which evolves in a time which is external to it.

We should also understand there is the 99% "we" and then the other 1% of scientists/engineers/inventors who actually make real progress. It is only because the 1% shared there discoveries that the 99% have anything in the way of technology. I mean you obviously didn't invent any of it...

To my knowledge all the really high tech stuff has been classified or wrapped up in intellectual property contracts. Hell my work wasn't all that exciting but it didn't stop every jackoff and there dog from trying to get me to sign NDA's. Every real inventor I have ever known has been approached by people with money and a contract in hand to try to gag them. So let's be clear, there are two kinds of "we", the people who actually know something of value and everyone else.

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The idea that time is only one of the dimensions of our universe and not absolute is typically one of these jumps. But to arrive at this, we had to go through the whole past of ideas. It is also because the past ideas do not explain everything, that we look for what they do not explain and that we nevertheless observe. The ideas of the past are as necessary when they are relevant (then we keep them), as when they are not (then we just look for what we miss). Antiquity or the past in general does not give us a pile of bricks with which the future should be built. I see progress as a dynamic non-linear evolution, which produces more and more complex bricks, as time goes by.

Right, all that quantum/multiverse mumbo jumbo is well enough but it obviously doesn't put food on the table or move my truck down the road. I get it and I was entertained by all this time/space nonsense for a while but it's more like a religion or cult in my opinion.

There is also the fact that large numbers of FE devices were coming out as early as the late 1800's before Einstein and the gang were even born, lol. All these FE inventors needed was some copper wire insulated with cotton/wax, some iron plates or wires for cores and a few mechanical contact switches.

In my opinion I have found success in FE where you and many others have not because I don't study peoples beliefs or science anymore... I study nature. You see what many call science has become like a religion or politics and moved so far from the the natural world it no longer bears any resemblance to it. An imaginary world of social media where people can flap there gums and use there words to convince others of almost anything.

Look at the U.S. currency/bitcoin fiasco which has no tangible backing or real value. It's vaporware, a monetary religion based on nothing more than beliefs which has completely diverged from what was a means to help trade real goods and services. I suppose it's wonderful if people want to believe in imaginary things however history has proven it never ends well. It's kind of ironic that there creating wealth... from nothing. The old creation, something from nothing schtick, lol.

So in many respects science is kind of like kindergarten or grade school which gave us a basic understanding and perspective of things. It was then on us to grow up and mature gaining our own understanding of the real world. To be honest the majority of what I see happening in the world is just embarrassing. It's become a train wreck based on beliefs and popular opinion versus facts. It's kind of ironic that most FE inventors of the past like Viktor Schauberger, Tesla, Moray and such predicted this would happen... they nailed it.

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Here's another interesting technical debate...

1)If free energy devices are a supposed scam then why has the government seized so many and classified all the material as top secret?. If it's just a scam why all the interest, why all the seized patents and material, why all the NDA's, gag orders and threats?. Obviously it must have some value and be a matter of "national security" otherwise they wouldn't have gone to so much trouble.

2)If free energy devices are a supposed scam then why has every successful FE inventor been approached by government/corporations with briefcases full of money and contracts?. Why is everyone such a hot mess fumbling over each other trying to be the first to get these inventors to sign contract/NDA's if it's not real?...that's kind of strange isn't it?.

3)In many cases like Hubbard, Hendershot, Moray etc there were demonstrations and tests carried out in front of many credible people. Many credible experts tested the devices and determined the claims made were true and that they didn't understand how the devices worked. Should we not believe credible experts, are all experts not to be believed just because we don't like there answers?.

4)If free energy devices are a supposed scam then why has almost every successful FE inventor been threatened including death threats by so many people?. I mean being shot, shot at, poisoned, property stolen and torched, beat up, family members beaten and threatened and the list goes on. Why all the drama and so many people becoming deranged psychopaths over supposedly nothing?...that's kind of strange isn't it?.

It would seem to me anyone claiming there's nothing to see and nobody cares must be blind or stupid. Obviously countless people and government/corporate entities care a great deal otherwise they wouldn't have gone to so much trouble and expense to try to stop FE technology.

I think it's comical... it's not real and nobody cares, ***as they all come completely unhinged and do everything in there power to stop you***, lol.

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1)If free energy devices are a supposed scam then why has the government seized so many and classified all the material as top secret?...

Which government?
Do you think that not a single country in the world would allow a revolutionary discovery, and that if it did, no leak would ever happen?

This is a completely unreasonable conspiracy theory.


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4)If free energy devices are a supposed scam then why has almost every successful FE inventor been threatened including death threats by so many people?. I mean being shot, shot at, poisoned, property stolen and torched, beat up, family members beaten and threatened and the list goes on. Why all the drama and so many people becoming deranged psychopaths over supposedly nothing?...that's kind of strange isn't it?.


I certainly think this used to be true but I am not sure it still is.

For instance, the biggest single threat to the oil industry, said to be behind this activity, is the electric car. Why was Nissan not subject to intimidation when they brought out the Leaf, thereby "blowing the bloody doors off", as Michael Caine would say?
   
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Which government?
Do you think that not a single country in the world would allow a revolutionary discovery, and that if it did, no leak would ever happen?
This is a completely unreasonable conspiracy theory.


What about the UFO conspiracy theory?.

All the governments world wide claimed UFO's were a hoax, just weather balloons or swamp gas, lol. They supposedly created countless fake agencies and groups over the last 80 years to study the phenomena and concluded it was just peoples imagination... obviously they were all lying.

However millions of people like myself have seen them and photographed them and some had physical proof which the military/government agencies quickly confiscated in the name of national security. Then just last year the U.S. government/Pentagon disclosed credible video and radar data showing that in fact the UFO phenomena is real.

So...
How did the global military/government agencies manage to keep the most revolutionary discovery in the history of mankind a secret for the last 80 years?.

I mean did millions and millions of credible people all imagine the same thing?. Were all the countless photographs and other evidence just imagined as well?. We had all the proof we needed prior to the Pentagon finally coming out and basically saying everyone was deluded and just plain wrong about UFO's. Yet even today with government verified proof UFO's are in fact real most people still cannot accept it.

So to answer your question...
"Do you think that not a single country in the world would allow a revolutionary discovery, and that if it did, no leak would ever happen?"

It happened with the UFO phenomena so why not free energy?. The past governments/military agencies world wide knew of the UFO phenomena and given the proof we now have we can assume all these governments were hiding the truth. So how did all the past governments hide the truth for the last 80 years?. Why did every single country in the world deny UFO's existed and not acknowledge such a revolutionary discovery?.

The unfortunate truth is that the primary motivation of most societies is fear of the unknown not logic or reason.

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How did the global military/government agencies manage to keep the most revolutionary discovery in the history of mankind a secret for the last 80 years?.

The "discoveries" and "knowledge" have effectively been taken "Deeply Underground" into an Alternative Simultaneous System.

Disclosure, however, is unavoidable.  It is already underway.




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A better question may be why all the fear and secrecy surrounding UFO's?.

We know it isn't science because it seeks to understand the unknown. Science allows for unknown technology and even other life forms/beings evolving on other planets. That's why globally we spend trillions on space programs and bigger telescopes.

Most know the answer why there is so much fear and it has to do with widely held beliefs here on Earth not science.

I read a really interesting article that Bagdad was once the cultural and intellectual center of the Earth thousands of years ago. They developed math, astronomy, architecture, biology, currency and many different people with knowledge from around the globe were welcomed. Then the capital was overrun by radicals who believed this knowledge more so math was the work of the devil. Almost overnight what was once a mecca of knowledge became a wasteland ruled by religious doctrine. As we know the region never recovered as the rest of the world evolved.

As a man of science I have no issue with UFO's or free energy. The fact we exist proves other beings could exist, the fact our technology has always evolved proves there is much we still have to learn. However today like ancient Bagdad there is a growing resentment between knowledge/science and beliefs. Let's hope history does not repeat itself...

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Most know the answer why there is so much fear and it has to do with widely held beliefs here on Earth not science.

One can only wonder why the majority of movies and TV programs which deal with Space Exploration seem to be obsessed with Malevolent Entities resembling Monsters.

Could it be to create an attitude of fear within the general population?

We know that Hollywood is heavily influenced by the CIA and the Pentagon.  That connection is certainly not a secret.


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Taking a look back to the time of Nikola Tesla and evidence of the Mysterious Technologies which made an appearance.

Why was it necessary to destroy the amazing structures immediately after their use?


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One can only wonder why the majority of movies and TV programs which deal with Space Exploration seem to be obsessed with Malevolent Entities resembling Monsters.

Could it be to create an attitude of fear within the general population?

Well... nobody ever accused the general population of acting rationally, lol.

What do most people do when confronted by the unknown like a UFO?. The first response is generally panic, screaming, running away, lol. So were all mature responsible adults, it's just that most can't seem to act like one when encountering the unknown in reality.

Could you imagine what an extraterrestrial being might think?. Well, I just wanted to say hello then this guy starts screaming, soiled his underpants then started running away, lol. Would you think this was a sign of intelligent life if the first response was generally mass hysteria and violence?. It's actually kind of embarrassing if we think about it. I mean what would you think if everywhere you went everyone lost there shit and started running away screaming or shooting at you?.

So I get it, we all have beliefs but they are seldom reflected in our actions or reality. It's important to see the humor in how silly we really are with all our false beliefs and psychological baggage.

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The art of projecting Holograms has made much progress in the past decades.

The Carolina Panthers just days ago demonstrated such a Hologram.  See attachment.

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Remember, the Military Technologies are at least 35 years more advanced than what is made available to the Public.

The Deep State Hidden Black Projects Technologies are even more advanced by hundreds of years.

The age of Star Trek has arrived.

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The art of projecting Holograms has made much progress in the past decades.

The Carolina Panthers just days ago demonstrated such a Hologram.  See attachment.


The "mixed reality" panther was not "projected" onto to the field and was only visible on the big video screens and on smart phones via a provided link. 

Moreso "CGI" than a "hologram".

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Yes, it was limited in that sense.

Simply a preview of what is soon to be visible in "space" to all observers.

The Technology is already in use.

I saw the first public demonstration of holographic projection in its infancy at Disneyland in the Summer of 1970.


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Believing in something false doesn't make it true.
This may not be the best place to post this but it is probably close enough.  Six or seven years ago I decided to try and get away from Windoz.  I tried several versions of Linux and actually used Fedora for a few months.  But I just could not find some of the kinds of programs I wanted that would work on Linux.  So I gave it up and went back to Windoz.

With all the news about Bill Gates and his global agenda for mass murder I decided to try Linux again.  I found Zorin 15 and installed it along side my Windoz 7 on my desktop.  I left Windoz on the desktop in case I had to go back to it.  I have been using Zorin 15 for about 6 months now and have found that there are many more programs available now than when I tried Linux before.  And they are very easy to install now.  If you need a certain kind of program you just click on the software Icon and it will bring up a large list of the programs that are completely compatible with the version of Linux you are using.  You then just click on the program you want and it automatically installs it with all the dependencies it needs.

I have found programs for drawing schematics, designing PC boards, making CAD drawings and even programs to run a 3D printer.  I also have found a very easy to use video editor and a great RC flight simulator.

So after using Zorin 15 for a while I saw that Zorin 16 is now available.  So I installed it a couple of days ago on my laptop  which has Windoz 10 on it.  It has an even larger collection of repositories of programs to choose from.  I haven't even scratched the surface of that large collection of programs.  And if you are into games there are tons of games you can download too.  Some of them are pretty unique and are only available on Linux.  If I don't run into something I can't do on Linux in the next couple of months I will be moving all my documents etc from the Windoz partitions on both my PCs and reinstalling Zorin 16 using the full disc space of my hard drives.

Another big plus to Linux is no worries about viruses (the PC kind) and no lock ups or crashes.   Bye bye BSOD

If you want to get away from Windoz and haven't tried Linux in a while you might want to check out Zorin 15 or 16.

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Excellent report Carroll!

I've been using several of the Puppy Linux variants for nearly 15 years and haven't used Windoz at all for anything except printing with my very old printer which only has Windoz drivers.

Puppy Linux has been unique in that it doesn't require installation onto the Hard Drive but can be run in "Frugal Mode" by use of a Multi-Boot software or simply booting from a Thumb Drive or a CD.

I agree that Linux has numerous advantages over Windoz and most Distros are absolutely Free!

The Repositories make adding new apps or removing apps a snap.

I shall surely take your advice and look at Zorin.


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Hi muDped,

Being able to try out a distro from a thumb drive is certainly another plus you get with Linux.  Both Zorin versions I posted about can be run live from a bootable thumb drive.  I tried each of them for a couple of days to sure they had the drivers I needed and would run okay on my machines before I actually installed them.

Take care,
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The very interesting and very lively Technical Debate has resumed here and here.

Bistander vs Turion

The promises keep coming.

The World of Free Energy can be a strange place at times.


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What is "Electron Spin?"

Do Electrons actually spin?

Electrons DO NOT spin!


For the "Rest of the Story" go here.

Years ago I was researching on ferromagnetism and came to this website full of critics about quantum mechanics and the electron spin


http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~kcy05t/index.html

If you search here on "electron spins" or "electron spin"  he has collected some good points and what makes this huy special is that almost every statement is referred to a scientific paper which proves the point.

Now somewhere on his website he referred to a paper about the history of how and by whom the "fancy idea" of spinning electrons came into existence.
Its almost an unbelievable story

https://www.lorentz.leidenuniv.nl/history/spin/spin.html  :o

and here "Goudsmit's own story about the discovery" :

https://www.lorentz.leidenuniv.nl/history/spin/goudsmit.html   ;D

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There was a good post in this thread about stressing components right up close to their maximum thresholds with reversed biases. Transistors as I recall.

You may be interested to know that Wilbert Smiths tool for measuring the background fields tension level, was an arm with a fishing line pulled to almost break on one side and a steel guitar string on the other side. The two were tensioned to balance the arm such that the tension on the fishing line was just below it's breaking point.

As Wilbert traveled to places where military jets had fallen apart during stressing them, he was able to measure a deflection in the arm, as the holding force or tension between atoms was reduced. He was able to correlate these effects with locations on the earth opposite were nukes had been tested.
The "boys topside" had given him a way to show that nukes were a very bad idea for the planet. This was during his "Project Magnet" travels.

When you stress a component towards its breaking point of tension, it produces vibration responses at the molecular level. These vibration frequencies may or may not add energy to the EM wave if they are geometrically additive, that is if they land in quadrature to the E and M fields at correct frequencies.

One of my experiments with earth currents, I had a ground rod centered in an earth grid node, and using an RF diode was able to obtain a reversed bias positive charge across the diode. Blew my mind because the diode should not have been conducting in that direction or maintaining that voltage without shorting out in the other direction.

Anyway the earth grid puts out a vibration frequency of 135 khz but has a positive charge on it at the surface of the earths crust.
All around the grid point will be negative charge. If the diode had charged up from RF, it would have been biased the other direction.

All fields that create a stress on a material will vibrate at frequencies we may not be able to identify with our EM gear.
This is then leading directly into the scalar cancelling coils, and mass vibration systems, which manipulate the atoms at the nuclear level.

Using a heavy Bismuth core, the coils vibration can be felt, and a lot of these people of past times with little or no theoretical knowledge as we have today were creating systems of FE. What do you think they could feel to hit these points of mass vibration resonance?

"Tweakers" have been doing this for a long time and having success. Me included ...

Far as I know this had never been quantified before I started discovering ways to measure it.

"Space/Time" or "Quantum Field" discussions may seem to offer little, and as we see ones calling it mumbo jumbo. Until you begin to feel it, and tune it in, it could never make sense.

Space/Time was proven in the GPS systems of our planet several years back, and the calculations worked.

The fact that we can operate on the field density of space and change it's light velocity has never been fully investigated by conventional science.

When the Michaelson Morley apparatus was turned vertical, it began to work! It measured the gravity gradient.
That is light velocity traveling parallel to the earth surface has one light velocity, but traveling vertical to the earth has a different or changing light velocity, and the apparatus was sensitive enough to measure that within only a few feet!

It is interesting how two people can discover something like this, showing a device that works, and no one of advanced learning has any interest in understanding it! It takes time for all the different branches of science to get on the same page, and so many now that find things are ignored.

Electronics people are never taught the physics of the atom. If they want to understand the next layer of matter down, they will have to dig, but it is all there in the other branches of science waiting to be used in practical ways.
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Required is a change of the belief system from direct experiments that prove to one self the qualities of the Quantum Field Fabric first hand.
The Tempic field that creates motion, is manipulated using mass resonance effects, and the Quadrature model of the three field forces.
Motion always is found at 90 degrees to the Electric and Magnetic vectors of force. This is right out of the practical theory of motors.

When we apply that to opposing coils, scalar cancelling coils, we begin to get real answers. This is because the Quantum Field Fabric has the same design. We can raise up vibration fields from it that are geometrically perfect, and will then self power until we take them down.

Mass vibration is the key to FE, and whether tweakers can explain that as a working theory with calculation or not it works.

I spent a major portion of my life trying to explain to myself why my tweak worked, powering a 100 watt light bulb, when the AC cord was removed from the wall. At present I am about 1/2 way through the vibrational part of all this. No one was ever able to duplicate it, but for Floyd Sweet who did it first and left us a print with turns ratios and the statement that it took at least 100 watts to get it up and working.

I then became a believer in many of the things I had never been educated on, which I am now a lot more fluent with. The physics part.

Wilbert Smiths definition of the 3 field forces open the first door to understanding that we can in fact change the qualities of space using Tempic field modulations at very specific frequencies.
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Todays challenge - It is easier to get a sensitive person who can "feel" vibration resonance to open to measuring fractals of it's frequency and using a little science to calculate amplification, then to get a super educated person with all the intellect to start opening to "feel" something.

The greatest advance for me was when we got both of these expert kind of people together. The scientists began to feel, and the sensitives became interested in calculation. Now they can exchange frequencies they find, and share them. As this kind of technology is interactive with the body, it becomes an experience as much as a calculation of energy.

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Hello DaveL,

12 years ago a friend of mine build this interferometer. He is very good in mechanical constructions and was going at great length to make sure that this apparatus was not warped while turning around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0d7o8X2-E

Good point about Humbuggers answers to watts about the reversed bias of the base-emitter junction.
Its my guess that this reverse bias might be responsible for the extended runtime of tigers blocking oscillator, Itsu was replicating.

Have you a link to the description of Wilberts measuring device ? Would be interesting to replicate it.

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