This discussion began on another thread. All relevant commentary to this discussion, which is out of place on the original thread, is re-presented here. The original participants may continue discussion here if they desire, as well as any others who may care to join in. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lawrence, why all this constant talk about god and the divine? There is no place for religion in a scientific discussion - it only undermines your arguments, it does not strengthen them.
If you think otherwise, you will first need to prove that God exists, and only then can you use his existence as support for your theories, though you must then connect him to those somehow. We are literally surrounded by the proof that there
is a Supreme Being; but we choose not to "see"
it.
Why do some find it distasteful or inappropriate to
gratefully acknowledge the presence of the Divine
One?
Can you prove that the Almighty One does not exist?
The Source of Love does not impose any constraints
on what we choose to do or to believe - we are free
to make those choices. But, He does strongly encourage
us to show loving kindness to all and to stop doing what
is bad, for our own benefit. And for the benefit of those
with whom we interact.
Has not "Science" become a religion unto itself? With its
own hierarchy and its own "divine one?" In the acknowledgement of any achievement, it is customary to acknowledge the family, the friends, the previous scientists who laid the foundation, etc.
I looked at how I got my two strokes, lost my wealth, lost my wife, lost my self-confidence and was forced to retire early. From the worst of the worst and from the deepest despair, I prayed for a Miracle.
The Miracle came. I recovered on an experimental medicine that did not work for many others. The Miracle continued. I could observe simple, common events either alone or with others and solved the Energy Crisis of the World theoretically.
The tuning fork or any musical instrument with a resonance chamber was around for centuries. The swing or the pulsed pendulum was around since the dawn of civilization. Millions of people, including all the top scientists of the World, saw and touched them. How is it possible that none of them understood and explained the correct theory?
To me, from the depth of my heart, I know that it is the continuation of a Miracle. There are no scientists to acknowledge for the tuning fork or the swing. They passed away centuries ago. I have the strength to go on despite the poor eyesight, hearing and slow reaction because of FAITH. The obstacles fell in front of me one-by-one over these many years of Energy Research.
I firmly believe that there is a difference between a Divine Revelation and a hard earned scientific discovery. In my case, I was rescued from the dump of hopelessness. I was shown the same phenomenon that millions had seen. I was inspired to re-examine them using elementary Physics taught at all High School Physics. How can a dejected, retired, old man with practically no resources beat all the scientists with vast resources? How can this old man see what all others failed to see?
I firmly believe in Miracles and Divine Revelations. It occurred to me and is still continuing. The Water has been turned into Wine. I am just the first one to taste and testify. Others will soon come and confirm. They will help to serve this fine wine to the General Public. Solving the Energy Crisis of the World is not an old, retired, dejected man. It is God the Almighty. Amen. Quote from: Dumped on 2011-03-22, 20:52:11
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We are literally surrounded by the proof that there
is a Supreme Being; but we choose not to "see"
it.
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Can we be told how to plug the Supreme Being for free energy?
Does a little prayer work to switch on the device?
Smiley Quote from: exnihiloest on 2011-03-23, 18:43:57
Can we be told how to plug the Supreme Being for free energy?
Does a little prayer work to switch on the device?
Smiley
Those energy resources are abundantly located at every
part of planet earth; all we need do is open our "eyes"
to see them and use our mental and physical attributes to
devise beneficial ways to utilize that energy.
Prayers must be made with humility and altruism; whether
one will receive answers to prayers is very much dependent
upon one's motives.
It must be pointed out however that there is another "god"
who is temporarily the ruler of this present world. This god
will hear prayers and may respond to requests too.
Again, it is all about motives and heart. Quote from: Dumped on Today at 01:15:10
Those energy resources are abundantly located at every
part of planet earth; all we need do is open our "eyes"
to see them and use our mental and physical attributes to
devise beneficial ways to utilize that energy.
I see in your assertion no logical relation between possible hidden energy sources and a "Supreme Being", unless you name "supreme being" the ZPE or cold fusion or... "Maxwell demon"! Smiley
Prayers must be made with humility and altruism; whether
one will receive answers to prayers is very much dependent
upon one's motives. ...
I would be very interested about the measurement of prayer efficiency. Can you propose an experimental protocol?
As it is in war times that people pray the more, we have for the moment only an evidence of a possible reverse effect of prayers onto events Smiley
A last point about "humility". The greatest discoveries in science appeared in Occident when human beings begun to think that they could act and think by themselves, without constantly referring to god. The modern science came from the trust of humans in their own potentiality. "Humility" is the contrary, a way for developing inferiority complexes. It has been used during centuries by the Catholic Church to maintain in its subjugation, the people minds. "Humility" should be dismissed in the scientific methodology, it is a negative attitude. Neither humility nor belief; modesty, conviction and trust are enough.
Quote from: Dumped on 2011-03-22, 20:52:11
We are literally surrounded by the proof that there
is a Supreme Being; but we choose not to "see"
it.
Why do some find it distasteful or inappropriate to
gratefully acknowledge the presence of the Divine
One?
Can you prove that the Almighty One does not exist?
The Source of Love does not impose any constraints
on what we choose to do or to believe - we are free
to make those choices. But, He does strongly encourage
us to show loving kindness to all and to stop doing what
is bad, for our own benefit. And for the benefit of those
with whom we interact.
Has not "Science" become a religion unto itself? With its
own hierarchy and its own "divine one?"
No, we are not surrounded by proof of any divine being. And no, I cannot prove that there is no god, just as I cannot prove there is not a huge pink elephant hiding behind the black hole in the center of the Milky Way. The burden of proof is on the asserter of the mystical bullshit, not me. So just cut the religious crap and save it for the Jesus forums.
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