What is the source of universal energy?

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Lawrence, why all this constant talk about god and the divine?  There is no place for religion in a scientific discussion - it only undermines your arguments, it does not strengthen them.

If you think otherwise, you will first need to prove that God exists, and only then can you use his existence as support for your theories, though you must then connect him to those somehow.

We are literally surrounded by the proof that there
is a Supreme Being;  but we choose not to "see"
it.

Why do some find it distasteful or inappropriate to
gratefully acknowledge the presence of the Divine
One?

Can you prove that the Almighty One does not exist?

The Source of Love does not impose any constraints
on what we choose to do or to believe - we are free
to make those choices.  But, He does strongly encourage
us to show loving kindness to all and to stop doing what
is bad, for our own benefit.  And for the benefit of those
with whom we interact.

Has not "Science" become a religion unto itself?  With its
own hierarchy and its own "divine one?"

In the acknowledgement of any achievement, it is customary to acknowledge the family, the friends, the previous scientists who laid the foundation, etc.

I looked at how I got my two strokes, lost my wealth, lost my wife, lost my self-confidence and was forced to retire early.  From the worst of the worst and from the deepest despair, I prayed for a Miracle.

The Miracle came.  I recovered on an experimental medicine that did not work for many others.  The Miracle continued.  I could observe simple, common events either alone or with others and solved the Energy Crisis of the World theoretically.

The tuning fork or any musical instrument with a resonance chamber was around for centuries.  The swing or the pulsed pendulum was around since the dawn of civilization.  Millions of people, including all the top scientists of the World, saw and touched them.  How is it possible that none of them understood and explained the correct theory?

To me, from the depth of my heart, I know that it is the continuation of a Miracle.  There are no scientists to acknowledge for the tuning fork or the swing.  They passed away centuries ago.  I have the strength to go on despite the poor eyesight, hearing and slow reaction because of FAITH.  The obstacles fell in front of me one-by-one over these many years of Energy Research.

I firmly believe that there is a difference between a Divine Revelation and a hard earned scientific discovery.  In my case, I was rescued from the dump of hopelessness.  I was shown the same phenomenon that millions had seen.  I was inspired to re-examine them using elementary Physics taught at all High School Physics.  How can a dejected, retired, old man with practically no resources beat all the scientists with vast resources?  How can this old man see what all others failed to see?

I firmly believe in Miracles and Divine Revelations.  It occurred to me and is still continuing.  The Water has been turned into Wine.  I am just the first one to taste and testify.  Others will soon come and confirm.  They will help to serve this fine wine to the General Public.  Solving the Energy Crisis of the World is not an old, retired, dejected man.  It is God the Almighty.  Amen.

Quote from: Dumped on 2011-03-22, 20:52:11

...
We are literally surrounded by the proof that there
is a Supreme Being;  but we choose not to "see"
it.
...

Can we be told how to plug the Supreme Being for free energy?
Does a little prayer work to switch on the device?
Smiley

Quote from: exnihiloest on 2011-03-23, 18:43:57

Can we be told how to plug the Supreme Being for free energy?
Does a little prayer work to switch on the device?
Smiley

Those energy resources are abundantly located at every
part of planet earth;  all we need do is open our "eyes"
to see them and use our mental and physical attributes to
devise beneficial ways to utilize that energy.

Prayers must be made with humility and altruism;  whether
one will receive answers to prayers is very much dependent
upon one's motives.

It must be pointed out however that there is another "god"
who is temporarily the ruler of this present world.  This god
will hear prayers and may respond to requests too.

Again, it is all about motives and heart.

Quote from: Dumped on Today at 01:15:10

Those energy resources are abundantly located at every
part of planet earth;  all we need do is open our "eyes"
to see them and use our mental and physical attributes to
devise beneficial ways to utilize that energy.

I see in your assertion no logical relation between possible hidden energy sources and a "Supreme Being", unless you name "supreme being" the ZPE or cold fusion or... "Maxwell demon"!   Smiley

Prayers must be made with humility and altruism;  whether
one will receive answers to prayers is very much dependent
upon one's motives.

...

I would be very interested about the measurement of prayer efficiency. Can you propose an experimental protocol?
As it is in war times that people pray the more, we have for the moment only an evidence of a possible reverse effect of prayers onto events   Smiley

A last point about "humility". The greatest discoveries in science appeared in Occident when human beings begun to think that they could act and think by themselves, without constantly referring to god. The modern science came from the trust of humans in their own potentiality. "Humility" is the contrary, a way for developing inferiority complexes. It has been used during centuries by the Catholic Church to maintain in its subjugation, the people minds. "Humility" should be dismissed in the scientific methodology, it is a negative attitude. Neither humility nor belief; modesty, conviction and trust are enough.

Quote from: Dumped on 2011-03-22, 20:52:11

We are literally surrounded by the proof that there
is a Supreme Being;  but we choose not to "see"
it.

Why do some find it distasteful or inappropriate to
gratefully acknowledge the presence of the Divine
One?

Can you prove that the Almighty One does not exist?

The Source of Love does not impose any constraints
on what we choose to do or to believe - we are free
to make those choices.  But, He does strongly encourage
us to show loving kindness to all and to stop doing what
is bad, for our own benefit.  And for the benefit of those
with whom we interact.

Has not "Science" become a religion unto itself?  With its
own hierarchy and its own "divine one?"

No, we are not surrounded by proof of any divine being.  And no, I cannot prove that there is no god, just as I cannot prove there is not a huge pink elephant hiding behind the black hole in the center of the Milky Way.  The burden of proof is on the asserter of the mystical bullshit, not me.  So just cut the religious crap and save it for the Jesus forums.

[muDped]

eatenbyagrue and exnihiloest,

You raise interesting points and ask pertinent questions.

Some of the questions we wonder about have been answered
in ancient documents.  We are told that there is a source of
abundant energy which is responsible for all that we see, for
as far as we can see.

We are told that there are numerous kinds of "beings" in the
creation which extends throughout the entire universe and
beyond.  Many of these beings are of much greater intelligence
and ability than humankind and they have access to mysterious
forces and energies.

How does this relate to what we have accomplished in our
modern age?

exnihiloest has raised questions regarding prayer and humility.

eatenbyagrue has expressed other viewpoints which are not
uncommon it today's world.

[eatenbyagrue]

eatenbyagrue and exnihiloest,

You raise interesting points and ask pertinent questions.

Some of the questions we wonder about have been answered
in ancient documents.  We are told that there is a source of
abundant energy which is responsible for all that we see, for
as far as we can see.

We are told that there are numerous kinds of "beings" in the
creation which extends throughout the entire universe and
beyond.  Many of these beings are of much greater intelligence
and ability than humankind and they have access to mysterious
forces and energies.

How does this relate to what we have accomplished in our
modern age?

exnihiloest has raised questions regarding prayer and humility.

eatenbyagrue has expressed other viewpoints which are not
uncommon it today's world.

Lawrence was probably correct to move this discussion here.

Science places no value on these ancient texts you speak of.  If it cannot be replicated through experimentation, it is not relevant to science.  If you have any experimental data (with proper controls) showing existence of god or efficacy of prayer, please let us know.

[Chet K]

EBA
So you ain't "Feelin it".......................
The "God" thing?,You feel its all about Some old books written by men with Agendas?

Well,Thats your call,Hopefully someday when your getting ready to leave this place,
and your breathing your last breath..............................?

Chet

[feynman]

Zipons.

[feynman]

I believe in God, yet I really liked what wattsup (another guy I know from overunity.com back in the day) posted regarding Lawrence's prayers ...

   

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@ltseung888

This has nothing to do with your device but simply a recommendation when you are referring wishes to your GOD.
Such as;
"May God guide us all.  Amen."

You have to be very very very careful on how you formulate such statements because they do have power but people do not know how to use that power. In essence, your use of the word "May" is the worst word to use in such cases.

When you say May God Guide Us, you are in fact saying "right now God is not guiding us but hopefully in the future he will".

What God does in such cases is simply keeps you in the same state you are asking him. You are asking him to keep you in a stake of "wishing he will guide you". Very bad for you and very very bad for others for whom you are wishing this also.

Instead, always say such things with the perspective that you already have it in hand, you already live it, you already experience it. Instead of May God Guide Us, it is better to say "God is guiding us". That removes all chances for misinterpretation because he will really really do what you literally say and keep you in that state.

So you have a choice. Do you want to be kept in a state of wishing he guides you or do you want him to keep guiding you.

Don't ever wish anything. Always state it like it is already in hand, already materialized.

When I do this I have a special method and always the same way.

Example;

Thank you all powerful for the great life you give me filled with love, success and happiness, all in a just and perfect manner".

You always finish with "in a just and perfect manner". This is your insurance coverage. If you simply thank him for your new heart transplant, he will give it to you, but it could be the heart of your son. Saying in a just and perfect manner makes the heart come to you from an honorable method that will not hurt anyone.

Playing with such statements is like playing with slow acting dynamite. You always have to make sure it explodes in the right way.

Off topic, but if you are going to make such statements in the future using the word "us", meaning everyone here, I think you should use the proper method.

All the best.

wattsup 

[szaxx]

Hi,
How about a perfect replication of the tabernacle, within which a power generator is placed centrally by the highest order. With prayer would this supply all the energy we require?
Think about the small basket of bread that fed thousands!
This would answer so many questions for mankind and show that there is a way when mankind is ready within.
An open mind is all we need for now.
Steve.

[muDped]

While "Science" is limited, by definition, to the pursuit of
phenomena which are easily reproducible, it serves a useful
purpose in advancing our knowledge and understanding by
study of that to which is it limited.

To attempt understand other mysteries and secrets we must
go beyond what science limits itself to.  The understanding
which we seek cannot come about solely as the result of our
own efforts - we must be assisted by communication with other
higher beings who are able to provide such assistance.

We are entering into a time in the history of planet Earth unlike
any that has preceded it.  We will be exposed to many new
things we had not thought possible; and to many new understandings
regarding things that have long puzzled us.

Why is it that some among us are more "attuned" to what is coming
as well as what has already taken place?

A most incredible and wonderful two-way communication.

Those who are seeking "scientific proofs" will not soon be satisfied.
They are not yet ready to comprehend.

We will eventually all acquire understanding and comprehension.
Unfortunately, the path (or roadway) to that place will be very
uncomfortable for most of us - we have many lessons to learn
first which will make us worthy of trust and good will.

Even the mockers will have their eyes opened.

The source of universal energy is incredible and good beyond
our present ability to believe.

[eatenbyagrue]

EBA
So you ain't "Feelin it".......................
The "God" thing?,You feel its all about Some old books written by men with Agendas?

Well,Thats your call,Hopefully someday when your getting ready to leave this place,
and your breathing your last breath..............................?

Chet

That is the best you can offer, that I should "feel it"?

When I am dying, that will be the end of me, and when you die it will be the end of you.  "Feeling it" isn't going to change anything.