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We have a technical problem with energy, relative to the cost and the pollution. It's only a question of pragmatic science for a material progress, not a question of ideology.

I would think it is just the opposite because almost everyone on this planet seems to think they should receive their just rewards from the very conception of the idea to the final sale of the product. Thus the ideology is that for something to have value one must profit from it in some way. One would think that not destroying our planet and our children's future must have some value but apparently I must be mistaken.

This also relates to what I call the "no fault clause" which is when people believe nobody is to blame simply because they did not know any better or did know better and did nothing about it.
It's really kind of comical and one could say most adults act just like little children in this regard. I ask my child -- "who ate those cookies" and he say's " I don't know" but we know different. Then we ask an adult -- where did all those government funds go, who stole that money, who created all this pollution, who cut down all those tree's, who killed all those fish, who made all these people sick and the answer is usually always -- " I don't know".
At which point one could assume they are ignorant, incompetent or are lying not unlike a little child with their hand stuck in the cookie jar. I mean no offense but most days I am pretty sure I am stuck in a world full of very large children because they act immature and despite what they may claim their actions generally prove otherwise.

The ideology is flawed, value is not a function of profit and yes someone is to blame.

AC
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Yes we have "wicked groups" at the head of nations,
corrupted industrial and political leaders and so on
but they only reflect the general population. They are
more visible because they are more powerful but they
have the same intellectual and moral defaults. Where
there is a majority of mediocre people, the elites are
also mediocre. It's a question of epoch and of people
of that epoch, ours.


It would seem that you have yet to acquire contact
with the upper echelons of control and the network
which actively carries out the Agenda.  There are
several layers of those who would like to think themselves
"Elite."  Most are being deceived and are nothing more
than "useful idiots."


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The idea of a conspiracy against a "paradise on earth"
and therefore against the free energy is the childish
credo of those who want offload their own responsibilities.
Nothing prevents the spread of useful inventions if they
work. It's not enough to dream a "free energy for everyone
everywhere", it must be made. "How" is the only question.

Unfortunately, "free energy" as most would hope to see it
manifest is not possible;  the vast majority of devices which
have been promoted as "discoveries" are, sadly, hoaxes.
That you haven't yet been headsmacked by the "conspiracy"
(The Network) could explain your viewpoint.  There is of
course another possibility but we'll hope that is not the case.

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Remember that the communists also wanted a paradise on
earth and claimed to build it, and we saw their catastrophic
result. Political or religious ideologies have never solved the
problems of the past so there is no reason that they could
solve the present nor the future problems like that of energy,
even if the ideology is now named ecologism, freenergylogy or
pseudosciencebetterthanacademicscience.

Both Soviet Communism and National Socialism were stepping
stones necessary for the evolution of that which is presently
rattling its sabers and smashing with its iron fist.  Governments
and Ideologies which have arisen since the 18th Century have
been brought into being by the Money Changers headquartered
in the City of London and their satellite Wall Street.  It was never
their intention to actually create a "paradise on earth."


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We have a technical problem with energy, relative to the cost
and the pollution. It's only a question of pragmatic science for
a material progress, not a question of ideology. To be constructive
here, everyone should choose: ideology or science, i.e. illusions
and conspiracies or knowledge and reality. To help in choosing
your camp or in understanding an already made choice, here
is a tool
(you may replace “religion” by “politics”, it works as well) ;D.

It is unfortunate that the choices which you've suggested are
not easily accomplished.  Science today has been made to be
an Ideology;  what seems to be Reality is in truth but an Illusion.
This will all become painfully visible in the not distant future.
The People of Planet Earth are daily being hoodwinked, deceived,
suppressed and controlled.  It is soon going to become far worse
than it is at this moment in time.

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I mean no offense but most days I am pretty sure I am stuck in a
world full of very large children because they act immature and
despite what they may claim their actions generally prove otherwise.

Aye, it is a common feeling but I wonder if we're not doing a disservice
to the Children with this comparison.  My experience has been that
most children by far are much better behaved than the so-called
Adults who act out their anger, fears, resentments and aggression
with ballistic impact.
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I would think it is just the opposite...

I would have guessed it!    ;D

   
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...Governments and Ideologies which have arisen since the 18th Century have been brought into being by the Money Changers headquartered in the City of London and their satellite Wall Street.  It was never their intention to actually create a "paradise on earth."

Don't mix anything with anything nor revise History. It was question of communism which arised from the belief in a better world outside the tsarism. Remember who were the Bolsheviks. It's exactly for escaping the situation that you mentionned about "the Money Changers" that a worst situation has been created. And now with extremist ecologism we are not far from taking the same risk!

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The People of Planet Earth are daily being hoodwinked, deceived, suppressed and controlled.  It is soon going to become far worse than it is at this moment in time.
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The People of Planet Earth are also those who hoodwink, deceive, suppress and control. The world is not Manichean, every body plays the game, the powerful and wealthy are supported by most of the others, by laxism, complacency or interest: the employees finally make the money-changers. The responsability is shared.

In any case it's not the reason why you are unable to produce a useful free energy device. You are unable to do it either because you are not smart enough to find the trick, or because Nature's laws are incompatible with this phantasm.
It is intellectually dishonest to invoke other causes for his failures.

   
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The People of Planet Earth are also those who hoodwink, deceive, suppress and control. The world is not Manichean, every body plays the game, the powerful and wealthy are supported by most of the others, by laxism, complacency or interest: the employees finally make the money-changers. The responsability is shared.

As the cartoon character in POGO said: "We have met the enemy and he is us"


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The responsability is shared.

Aye, and so it is.  But not equally.

There are those who impose the burdens and
there are the burdened.

There are those who create the deceptions and
there are those who are deceived.

There are those who crave the power to enslave
and there are those who suffer enslavement.

There are those who delight in making war and
shedding blood and there are those whose blood
is shed.

There are those who have love and compassion
for all of mankind and there are those who only
have tolerance for their own "kind."

In the end all accounts will be settled equitably.
Those who have caused suffering will in turn
suffer a heavier responsibility.  No one will be
made exempt.

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In any case it's not the reason why you are unable to
produce a useful free energy device. You are unable
to do it either because you are not smart enough to
find the trick, or because Nature's laws are
incompatible with this phantasm.

Strangely, most of the "discoveries" have been made
by persons who have little education or understanding.
They seem to have found some "trick" indeed.

But the latter case is perhaps the better answer;  The
Laws of the Universe will not allow what we hope to
make possible.  We are being deceived.


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(5)   The trick to producing OU devices is to remain at such COP > 1 conditions.  The simplest is to use Battery A to light LEDs and to recharge Battery B at the same time.  Do this in the COP > 1 condition.  Then swap Batteries from time to time.

If the batteries last 5 hours this is still incorrect. Looped means indefinate. Even the TPU made not this claim.


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Strangely, most of the "discoveries" have been made by persons who have little education or understanding.
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False assertion.
Give examples.
To each given example, I will be able to oppose ten times "discoveries" from high educated people (with Tesla only, I have already a pretty stock of discoveries  :) ).

   

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The real statement is: 'Our reality has been changed by the tireless and relentless efforts of those who buck or are outside the system'. Doesn't matter about the education. It is dreams that make reality a belief target. Without imagination we are still in caves.
The more education one has the more one is channeled into a corporate structure. Once there the larger view of the horizon of freedom is lost. Higher pay means larger consumption and involvement into the hallways of networking and social endeavors. Reality comes from the free thinking that appears on the bench and then just happens to fall on the floor to become something that gains a life of its own by group acceptance. It is a view, then belief, then action.

As far as another gift:
Just think of the maniacal control of a robot with unlimited power. Stupid people... Oops I think there is already one in office...
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/12/3154543/lockheed-martin-stalker-drone-48-hour-laser-power
And watch the follow on vids in the youtube windows.


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The more education one has the more one is channeled into a corporate structure. Once there the larger view of the horizon of freedom is lost.

That is an interesting thought, how can one have more freedom or creativity when they are bound to the beliefs of the crowd?. Does a sheep have more freedom when it is forced to mindlessly follow the flock or when it decides to find it's own way in the world?.
It should come as no surprise that maturity is defined as being able to act and think independently of others and yet many who claim to be mature believe we should simply act and think just like them or everyone else. It would seem to be a conrtadiction in terms in my opinion, how can one claim to be mature and open minded when their system of beliefs is adolescent?, very strange.


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Strangely, most of the "discoveries" have been made
by persons who have little education or understanding.

False assertion.
Give examples.
To each given example, I will be able to oppose ten times
"discoveries" from high educated people (with Tesla only,
I have already a pretty stock of discoveries   :) ).

The "discoveries" I was referring to are those "Overunity"
or "Free Energy" purported discoveries which are the topics
of much discussion in the various forums.  Not to mention
the sales of books, plans and seminars.

Of course, in contrast, there are bona fide discoveries made
by reputable and capable experimenters/researchers.


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The more education one has the more one is
channeled into a corporate structure.

Sadly, that does seem to be the case in our
present system of education; or would it be
better to say "system of indoctrination."

Anything that is government funded and
controlled is bound to be shaped to support
the Agenda of those in power in order to
perpetuate their ability to control.  To those
who know the processes the human mind is
very easy to manipulate.  Mind Control is a
well established Art in today's World.

AllCanadian makes some good points too.


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People with money, hire people with brains,   simple as that.

So when I get lots of money I'll just hire myself!    LOL    :D   


assuming I still have any brains left!   ;D

   
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The "discoveries" I was referring to are those "Overunity" or "Free Energy" purported discoveries which are the topics of much discussion in the various forums.
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Today there is not one discovery in this field.
Or prove it and give us the detailed experimental method to get overunity and free energy.

   
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Anything that is government funded and controlled is bound to be shaped to support the Agenda of those in power in order to perpetuate their ability to control.
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Which government are you talking about?
When undergraduate students are teached philosophy in my country, according to national programs even in science sections, I wonder where would be the "system of indoctrination" and the manipulation in reading and explaining Descartes or Pascal. At the contrary, it's a method to open the minds, at the "risk" to form responsible and independent citizens for later critisizing the system (a common hobby in the country of strikes and lockouts ^-^).
I see much more indoctrination in the private sector where money is the only credo.

   
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Today there is not one discovery in this field.

I believe you meant to say You know of no new discoveries however I could probably write a book on this subject.
One new discovery relates to Tesla and Maxwell's work which is effectively Maxwell's Demon. However both Carnot and Maxwell were mistaken in there thoughts that heat was a substance which flows. Heat is a form of oscillation in matter because it absorbs and radiates energy in discrete packets due to EM waves in a narrow spectrum. Today we have proven technology which transforms this EM energy we call heat directly to electrical energy at the atomic level and it is called nanotechnology. It should be obvious that Carnot was incorrect in this case, there is no "difference" in heat as no differential is required and the material absorbs whatever ambient heat is available at any singular point.

Another discovery relates to Engineered materials whereby the magnetic properties of a material can be varied instantly. That is in one moment the material reacts strongly to magnetic fields and in another instance has no magnetic properties. The technology utilizes single atoms in a loop with a single atom gap in the loop. There are billions of them in the bulk material and when the gap closes the loops conduct and field interactions occur at the atomic level. You see we are no longer bound to material constraints because we are now engineering the properties of materials at the atomic level.

We are also bending light and other EM wavelengths around objects and it should not take a rocket scientist to figure out that if EM energy can be shuttled around an object in one instance and absorbed in the next and the energy extracted is the cause of the shuttling action then the bulk object itself is in oscillation. We would then harness this oscillation through external devices not interacting directly with the oscillation process and have a device to extract ambient energy anywhere at anytime.

The fact of the matter is that your not knowing or understanding new technology really has no bearing on it's existence and in the next 20 years I believe we will see a change in technology the likes of which very few can imagine, the future of free energy is bright.

AC


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