For what it's worth, someone named "anonymous" uploaded a torrent to concen.org with two videos of the SM device.
I downloaded these last night and while this is not new, the video's are larger in filesize than anything I have, and appear to my eye to be a bit clearer.
It was a pleasant refresher to watch these videos again in their entirety.
Included with the videos was a .pdf compilation with some of SM's remarks and emails to LM by no means complete.
Unfortunately also included was the paper by Roberto and Otto of the TPU ECD, sort of an implication to the uninitiated that this has been replicated, while we know better.
I'm sure someone here knows who "anonymous" is.
Unfortunately .torrent files are not allowed as an attachment or I would have posted it.
The title of the torrent is Steve_Marks_-_Torroidal_Power_Unit(TPU).torrent
The torrent is attached below
Does anyone know of the clearest videos available?
Any comments?
The best SM video that I have is the one with UEC typed on it and is about 126mb.
Some of what SM states is deleted, but they allowed the statement that the TPU uses another means of inducing electron drift. This put me on the right path. Of course, this path has not been an easy one.
Curious people pop up on OU.com from time to time. Could have been anyone in the TPU-world that uploaded it. If there is no new info then it was probably one of the loose group that has been trying to figure out the TPU for the last several years.
sidenote: Remember the Mexican group that Mark Snoswell speaks of with the similar device that puts out AC? Hendershot taught a group of people in Mexico how to build his device and it puts out AC. This from his sons compilation of notes on the device.
The two videos in the torrent are 359 and 659 Megabytes.
In order of importance my investigations have tried to stay focused on the following devices, which I consider the most interesting:
1) Steve Mark devices
2) Dr. Henry Moray devices
3) Hendershot devices
There are others worthy of mention but insufficient information available.
You are correct, the Hendershot is an AC machine.
The Mark devices, being DC without rectification do point to some type of electron drift phenomenon.
Quote from: ION on 2010.08.06, 15:06:18
The two videos in the torrent are 359 and 659 Megabytes.
In order of importance my investigations have tried to stay focused on the following devices, which I consider the most interesting:
1) Steve Mark devices
2) Dr. Henry Moray devices
3) Hendershot devices
There are others worthy of mention but insufficient information available.
You are correct, the Hendershot is an AC machine.
The Mark devices, being DC without rectification do point to some type of electron drift phenomenon.
Can someone put those on a FTP somewhere? The only fast connection that I have is at work and all Torrent stuff is blocked.
Quote from: ION on 2010.08.06, 15:06:18
The two videos in the torrent are 359 and 659 Megabytes.
In order of importance my investigations have tried to stay focused on the following devices, which I consider the most interesting:
1) Steve Mark devices
2) Dr. Henry Moray devices
3) Hendershot devices
There are others worthy of mention but insufficient information available.
You are correct, the Hendershot is an AC machine.
The Mark devices, being DC without rectification do point to some type of electron drift phenomenon.
"electron drift phenomenon"?
Where for art thou, Ion?
Here is a SM video I have not seen before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fRKxz_UNo&feature=channel&list=UL
This was posted on youtube just yesterday: "Published on Oct 7, 2012 by joseph4younow"
It runs 1Hr: 31:55 and I believe features Brian Collins talking about the units after a brief 7.5 minute but new demonstration (at least I have not seen it before).
Do not confuse this with the other similar video and very similar demo, but with a different group of visitors.
Brian Collins gives a lot of interesting info to the people at the table, and makes some interesting comments.
Notice the red alligator clips on the capacitors in closeup and temperature monitor device.
What interesting comments? (can't see until I get home....)
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.09, 00:21:09
What interesting comments? (can't see until I get home....)
Watching the whole thing now and will report in later. Doing a frame by frame of important parts of the first seven minutes.
He runs a magnet around the circumference of the large and small units before starting them. Is this theatrics?
Interestingly the large unit appears to be wound circumferentially. No visible vertical windings. Here is a screenshot:
downloading now
looks heavily cleaned up, sharpened, etc.
At 3:51 SM is swiping a magnet around the circumferential windings of the large unit and lets go to use the other hand.
The magnet sticks to the wires while he changes hands.
Proof of iron wire or some ferrous core?
Is he possibly pre-aligning the iron wire or core by magnetizing it? Maybe for easier startup?
This is definitely a different unit than what we have previously seen. Notice in the screenshot the wires from the cores duck under the device instead of coming out the top. Notice the back of the unit is not ripped up as in the other videos.
He may have added the vertical windings to the same unit later in order to do the alignment electrically so that he would not need to use the magnet.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 03:00:21
At 3:51 SM is swiping a magnet around the circumferential windings of the large unit and lets go to use the other hand.
The magnet sticks to the wires while he changes hands.
Proof of iron wire or some ferrous core?
Is he possibly pre-aligning the iron wire or core by magnetizing it? Maybe for easier startup?
I would think he would wave it all over if degaussing it.
What is the direction of the magnet? Shape and direction? (still downloading it)
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.09, 03:02:44
I would think he would wave it all over if degaussing it.
What is the direction of the magnet? Shape and direction? (still downloading it)
Not degaussing, aligning, as in magnetizing.
Seems to be a large flat magnet about one by two by 3/8 of an inch thick, the large rectangular face is vertically oriented during the swiping.
In the beginning of the video, he does the same swipe for the 8" unit.
Some of the frames are fairly clean if single stepped.
Can anyone see any vertical winds on the large unit? The circumferential winds are clearly visible, and the top of the unit seems very smooth.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 03:10:07
Not degaussing, aligning, as in magnetizing.
Seems to be a large flat magnet about one by two by 3/8 of an inch thick, the large rectangular face is vertically oriented during the swiping.
In the beginning of the video, he does the same swipe for the 8" unit.
Some of the frames are fairly clean if single stepped.
Can anyone see any vertical winds on the large unit? The circumferential winds are clearly visible, and the top of the unit seems very smooth.
I mentioned degaussing for comparison.
What purpose would aligning it serve?
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.09, 03:27:42
I mentioned degaussing for comparison.
What purpose would aligning it serve?
I know that if you slide a magnet lengthwise along an iron wire or bar it becomes magnetized because the dipoles become oriented or aligned. What purpose this serves is yet to be determined.
You are temporarily removing the earth field magnetization but it is not randomizing the dipoles (degaussing), rather this is orienting them. I used the word aligning, maybe orienting is a better choice of words.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 04:23:56
I know that if you slide a magnet lengthwise along an iron wire or bar it becomes magnetized because the dipoles become oriented or aligned. What purpose this serves is yet to be determined.
You are temporarily removing the earth field magnetization but it is not randomizing the dipoles (degaussing), rather this is orienting them. I used the word aligning, maybe orienting is a better choice of words.
aligning domains in a metal or space?
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 00:06:55
Here is a SM video I have not seen before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fRKxz_UNo&feature=channel&list=UL
...
I notice that the durations of the tests are short and compatible with hidden batteries. Only a duration longer than the possibility that allows a volume of batteries of the order of the hidden parts of the machine could be convincing. But in such demonstrations, we never see a device working all the time, for example during the discussion. Why not if energy was really free?
And since this video dating 1996, isn't it surprising that there is no third party duplication and nothing new about this device for 16 years? I doubt that an inventor who volontarily demonstrated his device, then renounce to a commercial exploitation. A conspiracy? :)
@Exn
QuoteOnly a duration longer than the possibility that allows a volume of batteries of the order of the hidden parts of the machine could be convincing. But in such demonstrations, we never see a device working all the time, for example during the discussion. Why not if energy was really free?
If you demo a new car do you drive it until it breaks down? No you simply demonstrate it works hence the term "demonstration".
QuoteAnd since this video dating 1996, isn't it surprising that there is no third party duplication and nothing new about this device for 16 years? I doubt that an inventor who volontarily demonstrated his device, then renounce to a commercial exploitation. A conspiracy?
They seem to spend most of their time talking about intellectual property rights and how they must be absolutely certain nobody can duplicate or copy this device. Amazing video, a 5 minute demo then over an hour talking about marketing and protecting their investment, how nobody on the planet will ever duplicate it because of the measures they have taken and how they will screw over ever facet of the north american market. True humanitarians if ever I saw one, more like just another group of self involved assholes in my opinion.
Here we have some people who could possibly save millions of lives and prevent a future global energy crisis and economic meltdown yet the only thought going on in that tiny void between their ears is protectionism and monetary gain, simply amazing.
Quote from: allcanadian on 2012.10.09, 10:13:36
@ExnIf you demo a new car do you drive it until it breaks down? No you simply demonstrate it works hence the term "demonstration".
Would you buy the car if you knew that its only test was a run of less than 1 mn?
And a car is not a device related to a perpetual motion. A demonstration must be proportional to the implausibility of the claim. In matter of "free energy", the proof must be really beyond any doubt and therefore it needs several third party duplications.
Quote
They seem to spend most of their time talking about intellectual property rights and how they must be absolutely certain nobody can duplicate or copy this device.
...
As Kapanadze...
These guys prefer to die before their invention serves anyone, including themselves.
I wonder why they have shown their device one time. Terrible risk! ;D
Great Find ION
Wow never seen the new Youtube video before.
Still need to wait to get home to watch and digest
Quote from: allcanadian on 2012.10.09, 10:13:36
@ExnIf you demo a new car do you drive it until it breaks down? No you simply demonstrate it works hence the term "demonstration".
They seem to spend most of their time talking about intellectual property rights and how they must be absolutely certain nobody can duplicate or copy this device. Amazing video, a 5 minute demo then over an hour talking about marketing and protecting their investment, how nobody on the planet will ever duplicate it because of the measures they have taken and how they will screw over ever facet of the north american market. True humanitarians if ever I saw one, more like just another group of self involved assholes in my opinion.
Here we have some people who could possibly save millions of lives and prevent a future global energy crisis and economic meltdown yet the only thought going on in that tiny void between their ears is protectionism and monetary gain, simply amazing.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
I'm going to have to find that string of posts when you were going to reveal some of your work, to supposedly "teach us" something new, then changed your mind because you wanted to keep it to yourself. I know ION will remember that quite well too.
You're being somewhat hypocritical don't you think? C.C
In the very beginning of the video, he starts the device and lets two of the fellows feel the slight vibration. Later he demonstrates the washboard effect of the large unit.
The TV was on the whole time of the large unit testing. He set a timer to log the elapsed time of the small unit test. If you watch carefully, you see that he did not have time to unplug the TV from the inverter and plug it back into the wall socket at the far end of the room before moving on to the large unit test.
What we should be discussing is the use of only circumferential windings and the need for the magnet swipe as opposed to later units with vertical windings that did not need the magnet swipe.
This is a big clue, and SM probably realized he was possibly giving away a facet of the operation, so he added the vertical windings on later units to create the oriented domains.
Watching again, I noticed he is careful to maintain the same position of the magnet while swiping around the large unit, so he has to change the position of his hand by letting go of the magnet 2/3 of the way around the loop to reposition his hand and be sure the magnet is not flipped from the vertical orientation. Would a showman really bother with this subtle detail?
Yes, ex, there may have been hidden batteries, but I'm basing my belief that it may have been real on the fact that the weight of the devices was too low to allow for batteries and other factors. As I said before Dr. Schinzinger's tests keep me in the game.
We have extensively covered how the devices may have been faked in other threads and to a great level of detail.
I'm always wiling to debate this issue, and from both stances, as I have in the past.
Right now I'm more interested in understanding these subtle clues.
SM may have been shut down by the gov. if his units operated on NMR based beta decay, as the meeting with the agent from the AEC may have been real. This would have ended all further demo's past 1997.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 14:33:46
In the very beginning of the video, he starts the device and lets two of the fellows feel the slight vibration. Later he demonstrates the washboard effect of the large unit.
The TV was on the whole time of the large unit testing. He set a timer to log the elapsed time of the test.
Anyone that has persued the TPU for several years and still believes it is not some trick, accepts that SM did not use batteries as an energy source and that the devices are "real".
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 14:33:46
What we should be discussing is the use of only circumferential windings and the need for the magnet swipe as opposed to later units with vertical windings that did not need the magnet swipe.
This is a big clue, and SM probably realized he was possibly giving away a facet of the operation, so he added the vertical windings on later units to create the oriented domains.
Watching again, I noticed he is careful to maintain the same position of the magnet while swiping around the large unit, so he has to change the position of his hand by letting go of the magnet 2/3 of the way around the loop to reposition his hand and be sure the magnet is not flipped.
SM probabaly cringed every time he was asked why he swiped the magnet...
I also noticed he is careful to maintian the same magnet orientation when he switches hands.
EDIT:
I think he is aligning the pattern in space since he does not have a static pattern coil (until later units).
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 14:33:46
Yes, ex, there may have been hidden batteries, but I'm basing my belief that it may have been real on the fact that the weight of the devices was too low to allow for batteries and other factors. As I said before Dr. Schinzinger's tests keep me in the game.
We have extensively covered how the devices may have been faked in other threads and to a great level of detail.
I'm always wiling to debate this issue, and from both sstances as I have in the past.
Right now I'm more interested in understanding these subtle clues.
SM may have been shut down by the gov. if his units operated on NMR based beta decay, as the meeting with the agent from the AEC may have been real. This would have ended all further demo's past 1997.
Is the man with the accent "Brian T. Collins" of 432 Hz Harmonic? or another Brian Collins? He states in the video that Australia is "home" and that he developed some sort of levitation technology at Sussex University.
So maybe this is indeed the operating principle of the TPU
QuoteLet me give you something to think about...
If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short.
OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.
If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch.
If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire.
Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it.
If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc.
If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.
However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet!
As I understand it, the Brian Collins in the video passed away some time ago. I don't remember where I heard this, probably very early on OUdotcom.
Maybe someone else can find the reference.
I'm sure there are tens if not hundreds of Brian Collins out there, as it is a very common name. No, I do not believe it is the guy from 432 Hertz, but I have not looked closely for similarities.
We have a world famous university just up the road from whence i was born called Sussex University UK :)
Had my first taste of a George 1903?07 ICL computer here, and also mangaged to glean a view of a mag lev high speed prototype train in the mid to late 70's, it was going to be used on our sea front to replace a famous Volks Railway, it never got the go ahead to be installed, it looked like something out of space 1999 ^-^
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 15:09:22
As I understand it, the Brian Collins in the video passed away some time ago. I don't remember where I heard this, probably very early on OUdotcom.
Maybe someone else can find the reference.
I'm sure there are tens if not hundreds of Brian Collins out there, as it is a very common name. No, I do not believe it is the guy from 432 Hertz, but I have not looked closely for similarities.
Mannix posted that he had passed away (just closed the window...) on OU a while back. SM mad a couple of posts stating Brian was not trustworthy.
Getting back to the "Magnet swiping": can anyone get some good shots of the coils from this video?
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.09, 15:16:30
Mannix posted that he had passed away (just closed the window...) on OU a while back. SM mad a couple of posts stating Brian was not trustworthy.
Getting back to the "Magnet swiping": can anyone get some good shots of the coils from this video?
The program I am using (KMplayer) seems to skip frames when attempting to single step through key points of the video.
Can anyone recommend an actual frame by frame stepping program? Some of the frames are very clear, others are horrible.
The camera guy needs a few good lessons in shooting a movie, to at least wait for the autofocus to do it's job before panning the camera around. Also a tripod would have been nice. I noticed in one of the older videos there is a camera on tripod. Maybe that person will upload his video someday. We can only hope.
It's strange that if it was a scam and loads of investors lost money that they have not come forward to give proof it was a fraud
If the university is the UK one i will try to do some digging.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 03:00:21
At 3:51 SM is swiping a magnet around the circumferential windings of the large unit and lets go to use the other hand.
The magnet sticks to the wires while he changes hands.
Proof of iron wire or some ferrous core?
Is he possibly pre-aligning the iron wire or core by magnetizing it? Maybe for easier startup?
This is definitely a different unit than what we have previously seen. Notice in the screenshot the wires from the cores duck under the device instead of coming out the top. Notice the back of the unit is not ripped up as in the other videos.
He may have added the vertical windings to the same unit later in order to do the alignment electrically so that he would not need to use the magnet.
Yea, and not how fast he does the magnet swiping and then throws it right back in his pocket. Its a rather small magnet, but probably wouldn't take much to align the domains.
frame grabbing with VLC Media Player:
http://www.tvcrit.com/tvcrit3/framegrab/VLC9/
Does SM always move the magnet CCW?
Found the quote from SM guys that might help explain that swiping of the magnet that he does:
"Some of the units in the demo videos did in fact have one or two
9V batteries to provide a separate controllable DC source for the
solid state control circuit.
We eventually learned how to make the power converters start with only
the flick of a permanent magnet across the coils.
You may find it humorous that we had to find a way to make the things
work without any batteries purely because UEC needed us to honestly
answer the question
>Does it have any batteries inside of it?<
They wanted us to be able to truthfully answer NO, to anyone who asked
that question."
So, he swipes the magnet about, clockwise, then flicks the two switches, then says that it is started.
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.09, 16:44:39
frame grabbing with VLC Media Player:
http://www.tvcrit.com/tvcrit3/framegrab/VLC9/
I have VLC player and will test it for single frames.
ex:
Kindly start reading here:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=403.0
And then we can continue the debate over authenticity.
I suggest that SM utilizes the magnet for reasons related to the Aspden Effect:
http://www.aetherscience.org/www-energyscience-org-uk/le/Le30/le30.html
I report an anomalous energy phenomenon found in my motor experiments.
Imagine an electric machine having no electrical input itself and which, when started on no load by a drive motor and brought up to speed (3250 rpm), thereafter runs steadily at that speed with the motor drawing a little extra input power with a time delay rate of about two minutes. The machine rotor has a mass of 800 gm and at that speed its kinetic energy together with that of the drive motor is no more than 15 joules, contrasting with the excess energy of 300 joules needed to satisfy the anomalous power surge [to spin up from rest].
Imagine further that when the motor, after running five minutes or more, is switched off and the machine is stopped, you can restart it in the same or opposite direction and find that it now has a memory in the sense that it will not now ask for that 300 joules of excess input. 30 joules will suffice provided that the time lapse between starting and restarting is no more than a minute or so.
This is not a transient heating phenomenon. At all times the bearing housings feel cool and any heating in the drive motor would imply an increase of resistance and a build-up of power to a higher steady state condition.
The experimental evidence is that there is something spinning of an ethereal nature coextensive with the machine rotor. That 'something' has an effective mass density 20 times that of the rotor, but it is something that can spin independently and take several minutes to decay, whereas the motor comes to rest in a few seconds.Two machines of different rotor size and composition reveal the phenomenon and tests indicate variations with time of day and compass orientation of the spin axis. One machine, the one incorporating weaker magnets, showed evidence of gaining strength magnetically, as the test were repeated over several days.
Readers who are curious about my more general research endeavors may find interest in the specification of U.S. Patent No. 5,376,184 granted to me on December 27th 1994. In connection with the subject of this particular communication I quote from lines 3 to 28 of column 21 of that patent:
"Now, in a practical device, one can similarly set up electric fields in a metal rotor by displacing those charge carriers, either by inertial action or the action of a magnetic field directed along the spin axis. However, even here physicists have problems understanding the phenomena they observe, as one may see from the scientific paper by James F. Woodward: Electrogravitational Induction and Rotation, Foundations of Physics, 12, pp. 467-478 (1982). On page 472 one reads, after a statement that machine operation produced induced charge in evidence from a voltage:
Plainly, an effect of some sort is present. Since a negative charge appears during spindown, we may infer either that (1) an initially present positive charge disappears during spindown, or (2) some process drives the sample case to negative potentials during spin-down. The genuine disappearance of charge from the sample/sample-case assembly would be, of course, prima facia evidence for the existence of electrogravitational reduction.
What this means is that electric charge can be held displaced within a metal to set up electric field gradients in that metal. Woodward did this by inertial spin action, possibly affected by the earth's field, but a similar result can be obtained by building a series-connected capacitor stack."
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.09, 16:45:34
Does SM always move the magnet CCW?
Looks to me like clockwise in both units.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 19:02:31
Looks to me like clockwise in both units.
hmm. CW - perhaps always the same direction. Yeah, I remember this on the large unit. Interesting, but may not matter as long as it is always the same orientation.
Woodward Effect: (possibly, distantly related)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodward_effect
The Woodward effect is a hypothesis proposed by James F. Woodward, a professor of history at California State University, Fullerton[1], that energy-storing ions experience transient mass fluctuations when accelerated. If it exists, it is conceivable that the Woodward effect could be exploited in spacecraft engines that would not have to expel matter to accelerate. Due to its potential importance, a few researchers have conducted experiments to detect this effect, however the effect is quite small and the few experiments thus far are inconclusive
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 00:06:55
Here is a SM video I have not seen before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fRKxz_UNo&feature=channel&list=UL
This was posted on youtube just yesterday: "Published on Oct 7, 2012 by joseph4younow"
Do not confuse this with the other similar video and very similar demo, but with a different group of visitors.
So, this NEW video states Mar 10, 1997 on the on screen display.
Whereas this video, the 'original one' we had is from Mar 13, 1997, and you can see the SAME security guard in it rofl!(not to mention everything else): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIXqF2njW3k
Seems they removed those red alligator clips on the caps.
Quote from: tao on 2012.10.09, 19:32:37
So, this NEW video states Mar 10, 1997 on the on screen display.
Whereas this video, the 'original one' we had is from Mar 13, 1997, and you can see the SAME security guard in it rofl!(not to mention everything else): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIXqF2njW3k
Seems they removed those red alligator clips on the caps.
Yes, but the big question: Is it the same unit shown in both the videos you mention?
If the magnet was part of showmanship, SM would have made a big deal of it, instead he hurriedly puts the magnet back in his pocket and makes no mention of it.
It is certainly different than the other LTPU with the cut open back and fuse clips installed. In that video we see clear evidence of vertical windings and
NO magnet needed for startup.
OK, so he replaced the magnet with a toroidal winding over the other windings.
No magnet, no questions, no clues.
Hmmm...where's a napkin at?
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.09, 20:07:39
Yes, but the big question: Is it the same unit shown in both the videos you mention?
If the magnet was part of showmanship, SM would have made a big deal of it, instead he hurriedly puts the magnet back in his pocket and makes no mention of it.
It is certainly different than the other LTPU with the cut open back and fuse clips installed. In that video we see clear evidence of vertical windings and NO magnet needed for startup.
Well, yea, thats the same unit for sure.
Look at this iteration, lol, vertical windings, and he uses the magnet near the two toroids and not the windings rofl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1ME5oQ6lV8I#t=623s
That'll really mess it all up now huh? rofl
Quote from: tao on 2012.10.09, 20:35:22
Well, yea, thats the same unit for sure.
Look at this iteration, lol, vertical windings, and he uses the magnet near the two toroids and not the windings rofl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1ME5oQ6lV8I#t=623s
That'll really mess it all up now huh? rofl
If anything is messed up it is that video link.
Some features are the same, some are distinctly different. Could be the same unit with some refinements.
Don't laugh so hard yet, maybe later.
The large TPU with the vertical wires appears to be thicker, like maybe the same rings are used for support.
I think he used the magnet in the latest vid to normalize the iron delay wire so that the freq would be steady at start-up. Later he may have applied a pre-magnetizing circuit and the toroidal coil to normalize the iron delay wire before the unit started.
Nice, new developments in the TPU world. Yes, this is a new video that I have not seen before. I'm glad the resolution is much better than the previous videos made public.
Here's a few things I picked up from the video around 15:57
and I paraphrase
" this thing is 99% cork .... the secret to this thing is.... we found a frequency .... a pulse .... and we'll never tell .... bottom line it works"
yup, this confirms what we knew all along, these things are tuned to a specific frequency.
[edit: around minute 26:00 he talks about smart cards to upload the frequencies into the TPU in future models to keep the secret, and then explains that the two toroids in the large TPU are tuned to GRAVITY. What happened to the magnetic frequency, now it's gravity? :-\
EM
it's called "lying", preferably with a straight face
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.10, 03:14:32
The large TPU with the vertical wires appears to be thicker,...
Affix batteries like this, side by side in circle, connect them together, wrap a wire and a black tape around, and you can get a TPU.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31NJmtgfcaL._SS500_.jpg)
ex your a funny guy ;D,did this type of battery exist in 1997?
Just for your info,SM bought parts mainly from Radio Shack,was it in there catalog in 1997.
http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/
Schizinger Report
ROLAND SCHINZINGER PhD. Report on Test of Energy Device
At the request of Mr. Richard Mincherton I was present on October 28th at a test
demonstration of a device that its inventor claims will produce electric power without
measurable energy input except as derived from the earth'' magnetic and gravitational fields.
The test was conducted at the inventor's home. I was allowed to bring and use measuring
instruments, but because the inventor had to leave after 11 hours, I was not able to
conduct independent tests on my own.
Based on my observations, I can attest to the fact that the three models of the device
displayed and tested on that day did indeed light up one, two and six light bulbs
(each rated at 100 watt and 120 volt) respectively. This was less then the figures
quoted to me before the test, but still adequate to demonstrate that the devices function
in some fashion.
The smallest unit produced 140 to 150 volts unloaded and 60 to 90 volts when lighting
one 100-watt bulb.
The mid-sized unit produced 250 volts unloaded, and was observed producing 142 Volts
at .5 Ampere after 30 minutes of lighting two bulbs.
The largest unit produced 798 Volts unloaded. With a six-bulb load the voltage dropped
to 420 Volts.
It was difficult to determine how many hours the devices may be able to operate because
the
inventor ended the demonstration after 11 hours. I could not detect any time-varying
magnetic field that might have provided an external energy input.
After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments
(though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples
consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a
core made of a cork like substance.
October 29, 1995 Roland Schinzinger
RESUME ROLAND SCHINZINGER
Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering (UCI)
Professor Emeritus of Electrical Engineering (UCI)
PhD, Univ. California, Berkeley 1966
MS, " 1954
BS, " 1953
Westinghouse Design School / U. of Pittsburgh 1955
Apprenticeship (Technikum), Bosch Co. 1947
High School (Doitsu Gakuin, Tokyo, Abitur) 1945
Academic Appointments:
(UCI) Associate Dean 1979-83, 1985-86
(UCB)Teaching Fellow 1963-65
Robert College Istanbul Turkey:
Associate Professor 1962-63
Associate Professor 1958-62
University of California, energ. & Mgt. (Grad Program) 1991-92
California State Polytechnic University 1978-80
University of Santa Maria, Brazil 1993
University of Kariruhe, Germany-
Power and High Voltage Institute 1986
University of Manchester Inst. Of Science and Tech.-
And Imperial College, London: 1972-73
Honors:
Fellow, Institute of Electrical and Electronics Eng.,(IEEE)
Fellow, Institute for the Advancement of Engineering
Award for Contributions to Professionalism (IEEE)
1983 Centennial Medal (IEEE)
Science Faculty Fellow (Natl. Sc. Foundation) 1964-65
Sangamo Prize Fellowship (Sangamo Electric) 1953
Honor Societies HKN, TBN, Sigma xi
Listed in "Who's Who, Am. Men & Women in Science and Engineering
Publications:
Over 70 technical papers, plus numerous reports and commentaries.
Also four books: Ethics in Engineering McGraw-Hill
Conformal Mapping P.A.Laura
Emergencies in Water Delivery Davis Pub.
Electrical Laboratory SIMA Ltd.
Quote from: cheappower2012 on 2012.10.10, 10:44:29
ex your a funny guy ;D,did this type of battery exist in 1997?
Just for your info,SM bought parts mainly from Radio Shack,was it in there catalog in 1997.
http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/
Schizinger Report
ROLAND SCHINZINGER PhD. Report on Test of Energy Device
...
You get a point, cp O0. Now I wonder why there is nothing new since this old story, and there are still loopholes.
Is there a detailed technical report? We don't know the measurement protocol, apparatus, not even the frequency. It seems that Schinzinger was a retired man in 1997 and operated on a private base, not with the help of his university. His report is imprecise.
Back in 2009, SM was posting on OU. Here is a post regarding the AEC visit:
http://www.overunity.com/4299/steven-marks-associate-jack-durban-comes-forward-with-more-info/msg198191/#msg198191
Dear friends,
Under the right conditions it is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction in certain types of iron. In the early days i wrote about discharges of magnetic energy similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. I even pointed out this was related to my power technology. Nobody seems to wonder about that or why the Atomic Energy Commission of the federal government was involved. It is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction that releases some energy by converting the material. If you take the energy and use it to cause another reaction and it's energy to cause another, you can see that this process can go very wrong. There is a reason i call my devices bombs. If the unit hits the correct frequency and stays there too long it will start to convert too much material and energy at once. This will only take a second,or less. I did point out that I did not want to be responsible for giving out information making it possible that someone would make a big crater of a hole where their house used to stand with resulting death of themselves and possibly their families and neighbors too. It is in my writings quite literally. I never said these things were safe. However, i do think there are ways to make it safe in a way that it runs without the danger of self destruction.
Sincerely,
SM
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.10, 15:12:42
Back in 2009, SM was posting on OU. Here is a post regarding the AEC visit:
http://www.overunity.com/4299/steven-marks-associate-jack-durban-comes-forward-with-more-info/msg198191/#msg198191
Dear friends,
Under the right conditions it is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction in certain types of iron. In the early days i wrote about discharges of magnetic energy similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. I even pointed out this was related to my power technology. Nobody seems to wonder about that or why the Atomic Energy Commission of the federal government was involved. It is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction that releases some energy by converting the material. If you take the energy and use it to cause another reaction and it's energy to cause another, you can see that this process can go very wrong. There is a reason i call my devices bombs. If the unit hits the correct frequency and stays there too long it will start to convert too much material and energy at once. This will only take a second,or less. I did point out that I did not want to be responsible for giving out information making it possible that someone would make a big crater of a hole where their house used to stand with resulting death of themselves and possibly their families and neighbors too. It is in my writings quite literally. I never said these things were safe. However, i do think there are ways to make it safe in a way that it runs without the danger of self destruction.
Sincerely,
SM
I just want to say, for the record, regarding the stevenDmark account on OU.com, it was accessible by I believe Marco, EMDevices, and others, and I know this because I think if I recall correctly, it was Marco, he literally gave me the login and password for that account as proof and I was able to login. As far as I know, it was either one of them or another person that created that account as a rouse. I just wanted to state this for the record.
Quote from: tao on 2012.10.10, 15:41:28
I just want to say, for the record, regarding the stevenDmark account on OU.com, it was accessible by I believe Marco, EMDevices, and others, and I know this because I think if I recall correctly, it was Marco, he literally gave me the login and password for that account as proof and I was able to login. As far as I know, it was either one of them or another person that created that account as a rouse. I just wanted to state this for the record.
ISP's are logged at OUdotcom. Stefan should be able to prove or disprove the above.
Once again this kind of thing only muddies the water. I have a deep disdain for this kind of activity because it sends people down many empty rabbit holes and wastes an enormous amount of time.
Shame.
So who actually posted the above statement supposedly by SM?
Nevertheless, since the magnet sticks, the iron wire theory now seems more plausible. NMR in iron wire and isotope production is theoretically possible.
Devices are too light to have a ferrous core of large dimensions. SM's sabre saw would have dulled quickly when hitting ferrite. I'm leaning towards iron wire.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.10, 15:59:55
ISP's are logged at OUdotcom. Stefan should be able to prove or disprove the above.
Once again this kind of thing only muddies the water. I have a deep disdain for this kind of activity because it sends people down many empty rabbit holes and wastes an enormous amount of time.
Shame.
I am with you 100%, its SUCH a waste of time.
Recall also all those FAKE TPUs put out there, by turbo(marco), then emdevices, then others, these again, only wasted time making people concentrate on these 'replications' when they were apriori bogus!
I didn't really believe marco until he sent the login info in a skype chat and it worked, that, and he had a screenshot he showed me saying that it was emdevices operating the account, but, in the end, who knows who was steering that rouse?!? All I know is, marco somehow got the login info and I was able to login once, and that of course lended credit to his accusations lol. Unless he was a hacker, which I doubted seriously!
So, I just wanted to say this here, now, after again Grumpy posted a message from 'stevenDmark'.
Shame indeed.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.10, 15:59:55
So who actually posted the above statement supposedly by SM?
Nevertheless, since the magnet sticks, the iron wire theory now seems more plausible. NMR in iron wire and isotope production is theoretically possible.
Devices are too light to have a ferrous core of large dimensions. SM's sabre saw would have dulled quickly when hitting ferrite. I'm leaning towards iron wire.
I think it was either marco or emdevices, and there were some other posts FROM that fake SM I think I recall lending evidence to em's receiver theory hehehe.(ie. EM lending evidence to his own theory) rofl
Anyway, disregarding who wrote them, we should take them as explicitly false.
But, your right, that doesn't discount the use of iron wire. Yea, ferrite would have destroyed the saw blade for sure.
Soft iron wire can be easily cut with a fine tooth sabre saw blade, provided it is rigidly held.
I suggest the use of iron thermocouple grade wire as used in a "J" type thermocouple. It has high purity because it needs this to develop a precise EMF in measurement.
It can be purchased easily in a variety of diameters.
Note also that telephone wires from the pole to the house and underground are often made of copper clad steel wire for strength and also have a heavy durable rubber coating for moisture protection.
Maybe a key to frequencies would be to string some of this up outdoors away from power lines, put through an audio amp and give a listen. I have always been amazed at the rich harmonics on an open telephone line.
I'll have to try this using a laptop spectrum analyzer.
I know that inhomogenous magnetization of the iron wire will change the delay and alter the compressed pulse produced by the bifilar coils.
So, you take a magnet and get rid of that little nonuniform magetization issue.
Can we move on now? I'm tired of hashing over the same stuff year after year.
Forget the NMR of iron "ruse", and all of the BS about transmutation. Nothing need be transmuted, that is just a means of explaining something that doesn't appear possible with accepted laws.
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We can be reasonably sure, by now, that SM used several of these bifilar coils, around the ring. That means iron wires wrapped with these coil as delay elements, one for each coil. We also know that we do not need iron, as we can use delay circuits (like Peter showed).
We can be reasonably sure that the collector wires are horizontal. You could stick two pieces of wire in the side of the TPU and measure power. After all, SM did say the collectors are layed horizontal, then wrapped with control wires and then more control wires.
Based on the two assumptions above, the pulse created by the bifilar (don't forget it is biased by about 500v) somehow induces curent in the collector.
So, we need some circuits for a controllable test:
1. tunable delay of each segment
(passive elements are simple enough and we are not using the iron delay method)
2. sequential adjustment of each segment is via #1
(assuming he used one main square wave or sine wave signal for all of them and
then adjusted delay of each segment to make them sequential)
(I want to stay away from sequential trigger at this time to closer match the TPU rather than AVEC)
3. supply for the 500v bias (we switch over it) or we cheat and use a static coil
(I vote for cheating for sake of time and easy of supplying power)
4. HV supply (1500v or more)
Damn. That just too easy. (I never bothered to lay this out on paper before)
Hmm. Lest we put the cart before the horse, we can test one segment coil with several loops of wire through the middle, still need the DC coil or 500v offset for bias (or a magnet - :o )
I have everything but have to check on the delay element values, as I probably need some of the chip type, trimers caps, inductors, etc. Peter found the pulse compression effect with a ~220ns delay.
Anyone else game?
EDIT:
Hmm. I'll need a 1500v square wave source. I don't want to pull one off another project. I have an old one, but it's not all that great. I can just build antoher one though.
Man, this is going to be fun!
Anyone else?
Bump.
Caps and inductors for delay elements or the chip-type of reconfigurable ones. You will want something you can adjust. These need to be HV to take the place of the iron wire since the coils are fed HV
Yes, either two stages of delays: one for sequencing each coil, one for the delay of one of the bifilar wires of each coil
OR (I was just layng it out on paper)
Replace the first level of delay with some sort of sequential trigger and switch
(each has it's pros and cons)
Yes, the static coil is fed from a battery or DC supply for initial PoC
We could also bias with HV, but then you have that to deal with.
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.10, 18:02:45
Caps and inductors for delay elements or the chip-type of reconfigurable ones. You will want something you can adjust. These need to be HV to take the place of the iron wire since the coils are fed HV
Yes, either two stages of delays: one for sequencing each coil, one for the delay of one of the bifilar wires of each coil
OR (I was just layng it out on paper)
Replace the first level of delay with some sort of sequential trigger and switch
(each has it's pros and cons)
Yes, the static coil is fed from a battery or DC supply for initial PoC
We could also bias with HV, but then you have that to deal with.
Agreed.
I have not ruled out that he may have connected the coils in series, I just cannot see how that would work. Would make for easier switching.
As far as sequential triggering or delays, it comes down to "switching" or "tuning".
Switching 2kv or adjusting it.
Delaying is easier to implement, and simple if you don't need to adjust it on the fly. This is what I think SM used. Thus shifts in delay timing would create a big problem.
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.10, 18:32:56
I have not ruled out that he may have connected the coils in series, I just cannot see how that would work. Would make for easier switching.
As far as sequential triggering or delays, it comes down to "switching" or "tuning".
Switching 2kv or adjusting it.
Delaying is easier to implement, and simple if you don't need to adjust it on the fly. This is what I think SM used. Thus shifts in delay timing would create a big problem.
Cool.
Quote from: tao on 2012.10.10, 18:41:10
Good point, hadn't thought about that. The fact that we could use a single switch perhaps and have tons of delay elements and have a workable setup. Hmm, pondering.
Eaxactly, then you only need one or two switches for the square wave source. I don't know if this equates to the one or two toroidal things in the center of the TPU's.
Somewhow, you need a 2kv squarewave generator. This could be a multivibrator (two switches), or a Pulser (delayline and one switch).
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.10, 18:49:15
Eaxactly, then you only need one or two switches for the square wave source. I don't know if this equates to the one or two toroidal things in the center of the TPU's.
Somewhow, you need a 2kv squarewave generator. This could be a multivibrator (two switches), or a Pulser (delayline and one switch).
Right, thats awesome.
In reference to the series connected delay elements, I just noted this patent, after looking up sequential delay lines and esl speakers... I was reading through this page http://www.quadesl.org/Hard_Core/ESL63History/esl63history.html on the history of the quad esls and I noted the one patent in particular by Kellogg, a quick glance and read through the patent shows this implementation, worth a glance... I'm attaching the patent at the bottom.
EDIT: Just wanted to add that the first figure in the patent on the first page shows just what you said, a single signal source via a transformer into a number of series connected delay elements.
@tao
QuoteAgreed, I honestly don't believe in any transmutation of the iron etc, its about the created fields via the coils and their interactions, etc...
I think many times people take things too far, they make things much more complicated than they need to be or than they actually are.
A long time ago I learned an important lesson about perception, I was watching a movie and I liked to immerse myself in the experience because it made it more enjoyable. That is we focus on the movie as if it were an event taking place before our eyes, as if we were there watching the real events unfold. Then I looked away for a second then back and found myself staring at a box, a box with moving pictures and it looked like actors on the screen pretending to be someone they are not in reality. Well the whole experience was completely ruined, why in the hell would I sit there and watch a box with moving pictures of other people pretending to be someone they are not?... it is absurd yet most people seem obsessed with it.
Once you see the illusion you see it everywhere and people create their own little world like a bubble around their home, work and friends, they create a bubble concerning information and knowledge and have decided what is what before they can even comprehend what they are seeing or reading. Like the phrase ... a fish in the ocean who has no comprehension of water, we and everything we know never originated here and every part of everything came from some other part of the universe, a universe we are moving through at this very moment yet we have no comprehension of it.
Knowing this it should come as no surprise that almost every single person in history who has done anything that really matters was either reclusive or anti-social, lol. They simply turned off our reality of things as easily as I turned off my television because they understood how absurd it was. I imagine your wondering where all this is going, logically all we need to know is how to move some electrons in one direction using less energy than we believe it would normally require. Which is why SM probably used very simple examples such as a single piece of wire and what happens when a magnet moves past it, now if we believe we will have to understand all of quantum physics to understand SM's device then why does he keep referring to a single piece of wire?. Why did Collins state the device was 99% cork as if most all of the device we see was simply filler?.
We will believe what we want to believe as it relates to our individual perception of the world around us however I can't help but think this is very easy. Somewhere along the line we have made everything so complicated that it makes no sense at all and personally I have found my greatest insights were always right in front of me I just refused to look.
Maybe we need to go back to the beginning, go back to a single piece of wire? but nobody wants to go there because we believe we know everything there is to know concerning it ... I'm thinking not.
AC
A preliminary test of the effect requires:
1. high voltage square wave gen.
2. passive delay for one wire of the bifilar coil
3. the bifilar coil
4. a bias coil fed by a dc supply, fitted around the bifilar
5. collector through center of bifilar (one pass or several should show something) (expect current pulses, not DC ;) )
for the delay,we are ooking at something like:
50pf and 4.4 microHenries
20 and 11
these values for 220ns delay
I wonder if EM or Marco would come forward and put this issue to rest.
G: Do you have a sketch of what you are proposing. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Schematics nail things down, even if preliminary, and gives us something to ponder.
Quote from: allcanadian on 2012.10.10, 20:10:10
@tao
I think many times people take things too far, they make things much more complicated than they need to be or than they actually are.
A long time ago I learned an important lesson about perception, I was watching a movie and I liked to immerse myself in the experience because it made it more enjoyable. That is we focus on the movie as if it were an event taking place before our eyes, as if we were there watching the real events unfold. Then I looked away for a second then back and found myself staring at a box, a box with moving pictures and it looked like actors on the screen pretending to be someone they are not in reality. Well the whole experience was completely ruined, why in the hell would I sit there and watch a box with moving pictures of other people pretending to be someone they are not?... it is absurd yet most people seem obsessed with it.
Once you see the illusion you see it everywhere and people create their own little world like a bubble around their home, work and friends, they create a bubble concerning information and knowledge and have decided what is what before they can even comprehend what they are seeing or reading. Like the phrase ... a fish in the ocean who has no comprehension of water, we and everything we know never originated here and every part of everything came from some other part of the universe, a universe we are moving through at this very moment yet we have no comprehension of it.
Knowing this it should come as no surprise that almost every single person in history who has done anything that really matters was either reclusive or anti-social, lol. They simply turned off our reality of things as easily as I turned off my television because they understood how absurd it was. I imagine your wondering where all this is going, logically all we need to know is how to move some electrons in one direction using less energy than we believe it would normally require. Which is why SM probably used very simple examples such as a single piece of wire and what happens when a magnet moves past it, now if we believe we will have to understand all of quantum physics to understand SM's device then why does he keep referring to a single piece of wire?. Why did Collins state the device was 99% cork as if most all of the device we see was simply filler?.
We will believe what we want to believe as it relates to our individual perception of the world around us however I can't help but think this is very easy. Somewhere along the line we have made everything so complicated that it makes no sense at all and personally I have found my greatest insights were always right in front of me I just refused to look.
Maybe we need to go back to the beginning, go back to a single piece of wire? but nobody wants to go there because we believe we know everything there is to know concerning it ... I'm thinking not.
AC
:)
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.10, 20:44:45
A preliminary test of the effect requires:
1. high voltage square wave gen.
2. passive delay for one wire of the bifilar coil
3. the bifilar coil
4. a bias coil fed by a dc supply, fitted around the bifilar
5. collector through center of bifilar (one pass or several should show something) (expect current pulses, not DC ;) )
for the delay,we are ooking at something like:
50pf and 4.4 microHenries
20 and 11
these values for 220ns delay
Cool.
Quote from: allcanadian
I think many times people take things too far, they
make things much more complicated than they need
to be or than they actually are.
A long time ago I learned an important lesson about
perception...
That is HEAVY stuff that you've written! The illusion
is indeed all around us.
SM had no idea where the energy his devices output
came from. All he knew was that somehow he had
the "gift" to make it happen.
The True Source of that power is very deceptive
for a certainty. It is also the source of the Illusion.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.10, 20:59:37
I wonder if EM or Marco would come forward and put this issue to rest.
G: Do you have a sketch of what you are proposing. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Schematics nail things down, even if preliminary, and gives us something to ponder.
I have a block diagram, but can add a little extra to it.
BLOCK DIAGRAM FOR FIRST TEST
edit:
I am under the impression that SM saw some sort of effect that led to a working device, rather than a source of power straight away. So, a test of the hypothesized way to see this "effect" is presented.
@tao
QuoteNow, please do recall my post and what SM said, that I had the secret. Who cares about me per se, I mention it because of my post which is about abrupt application of a voltage to a wire and the abrupt removal of said voltage to a wire...
I would agree, I was doing high voltage experiments in which the goal was to supress pre-ionization and produce very sharp impulses. I had a 6" stainless sphere on the end of a conductor and on every impulse a sharp "sssst" noise was heard as if the sphere was constricting followed by a resonant kind of pinging noise. A person could actually feel the impulses from a few feet away and at the end of the test runs there was a black powdery residue covering the area which was not from arcing of any kind. This was not a spark gap it was simply a SS sphere on the end of a conductor attached to a device designed to produce the smallest rise and fall times possible.
QuoteWell, you DO NOT get the same 'normal magnetic field' as above because you hardly have current, but, I guarantee, you 'can' have a 'emanation' for said wire, and that, when done right, this can be thought of as OU. I say that this is what SM really meant, based on many factors, one being him saying I had the secret...
I recently read a science article where it was proven that most of what we know concerning contact electrification is false, the surface is a charge mosaic of opposite charges and some of the charge transfer is in fact from physical material. It turns out the surface of most materials may be a "fluid" suspended at the surface and consisting of a mosaic of positive and negative charges which lends credibility to the concept of radiant matter as highly charged matter is transfered and may be ejected.
AC
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.10, 22:52:36
BLOCK DIAGRAM FOR FIRST TEST
edit:
I am under the impression that SM saw some sort of effect that led to a working device, rather than a source of power straight away. So, a test of the hypothesized way to see this "effect" is presented.
I'd say that pretty much sums it up in the simplest manner(testing) possible, as an overview.
Nice to see a real discussion.
So, do these observations play a role?
1. Many of the magnets he applies have metal on two sides. The cupped magnet he swipes the small glass table top tpu with and now the LTPU small toroids (magnet isn't cupped but is sandwiched between two metal layers ???????
2. He applies the magnet to the small toroids of this newer seen LTPU in the same orientation as he did with the refrig magnet to the first TPU (at the side where the coil ends meet).
Of course, this means nothing if you think he is using the magnets to operate a reed switch ;)
I always wonder about the difference between static charge and current. If you provide the correct magnetic field to a conductor only having static charges applied - would those static charges then flow as current?
OMG, Brian Collins seems to be one of the biggest bullshitters I've ever seen, and I've met a few.
If it doesn't come from Steven's own lips, I wouldn't believe a word Brian says.
I agree Steven Mark is not a people person, and that's why Brian was really brought in; he has the gift of gab (bullshit) and smooth talking as a means to sway potential investors. Obviously this Peter and Steve didn't follow through with what appeared to be an agreement to move forward with Brian.
@poynt99,
I listened to the whole video yesterday and I agree, Brian is such a bullshitter and doesn't know how the TPU works. In fact Steven said that Brian doesn't know what makes the TPUs tick, and Steven, doesn't know what makes Brian tick. remember that quote?
@tao,
so Marco gave you the stevenDmark password as well LOL, that was fun, I think I chimed in on a post, but the others posted some very insightful comments, which could be from SM. I think that was Steven's way of hiding in the "noise" so he could not be detected by the cyber trackers. Somewhere in those postings are his real postings. That's the nature of this effort, there are active agents monitoring the forums to try and disrupt or rather corrupt the information he provided, but the smarter folk will see right through the "fog".
Bottom line, these devices are very simple tuned devices, like a tuning fork. The motion of the tuned wire interacts with the electromagnetic fields and gives rise to a dynamo effect that causes "electron flow in a wire" to quote SM words. This stuff has been know for at least a hundred years -- move a wire through a magnetic field and you get current flow! period. The part that is not know by many is the exact frequency or frequencies, and exactly how to configure the device to tap those frequencies, create the revolving effect (turbine), etc...
It is apparent that the LTPU is an advanced model that no longer relies on MECHANICAL TUNING by cutting off small pieces of the collector wire to tune it to the correct length, but it is tuned rather by mixing 2 frequencies which are very close together, and a beat frequency is produced that excites the collector and moves it to produce the so called energy "conversion" process or generation. So, the LTPU is tuned electronically instead of mechanically like the earlier devices. All that is really needed is two frequencies spaced apart by the correct amount, assuming one has the necessary electronic skills and the patience to tune, and most importantly, lives at a favorable "hot spot" location! LOL :D
EM
I grabbed a video frame right when SM switches his hand position to continue swiping the magnet around the circumfererence of the large TPU. As advertised, the wiring is feromagnetic in nature and the magnet sticks to the outside as he lifts his hand away. From the cutout of the LTPU seen in previous videos, the white wires are clustered at the top and bottom of the ring mostly, and that's where we see the magnet clinging to the TPU in this video and can also deduce the location from his swiping motion.
Magnetostriction baby! LOL O0
But we knew that years ago. He even said so in his more "secretive" letters that a few have been blessed with! LOL
EM
Quote from: tao on 2012.10.10, 15:41:28
I just want to say, for the record, regarding the stevenDmark account on OU.com, it was accessible by I believe Marco, EMDevices, and others
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Quote from: tao on 2012.10.10, 16:12:58
Quote from: ION
So who actually posted the above statement supposedly by SM?
I think it was either marco or emdevices, and there were some other posts FROM that fake SM
...
Thanks for these precious informations. This confirms the need to always require the certainty of the source and to strictly discard anything coming from unconfirmed sources. Urban legends and conspiracy theories emerge from any concession in this matter; we must nip them in the bud.
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.10, 15:12:42
Back in 2009, SM was posting on OU. Here is a post regarding the AEC visit:
http://www.overunity.com/4299/steven-marks-associate-jack-durban-comes-forward-with-more-info/msg198191/#msg198191
...
No evidence it was SM. But in any case, LENR is always the simplest explanation for energy seeming to appear from nothing (provided that the fact is acknowledged).
Quote from: EMdevices on 2012.10.11, 03:52:05
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Magnetostriction baby! LOL O0
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Magnetostriction or reversal magnetostriction convert magnetic energy into kinetic energy and vice versa, with efficiency < 80% max. They consume energy.
Magnetostriction + LENR?
I agree with ION that the TPU in this new video is slightly different to the previous LTPU we have seen, the wires from the center toroid's do not go off to the opening in the sheaf of the outer wrapping, this TPU has no opening, also the outer wall looks like it has been made with 6 circumferential coils and does not appear to have axial wire wound along the walls length.
In the previous LTPU videos i had seen a hole at the base and i always wondered if this could be a charging point C.C but in this video he has a thermocouple pushed in the hole.
The weird thing is that this video was 1997, looks like UEC gave up and they have decided to get more money by keeping the secrets on a chargeable use card.
EX,to understand the tpu you have to understand SM the man,unfortunately
ordinary methods to reverse engineer this device will not work.Evidence from people that knew SM personally has to be used to understand SM,from that it
can be shown that SM is a kind of con man,a master of deception,second only to Satan >:-),a pathological liar.Remember this SM never wanted anyone to figure out how hes device works or how to build it
and will try to take the secret to hes grave,in hes view it belongs to him,and him alone.There is no how to, to build
a tpu that works,because of the massive amount of misinformation planted by SM himself ,a cult following
by some members here,a need of some members to defend there pet theories that are highly illogical,there is no other
way this can go, but in an endless circle.I believe everything that comes out of SM's mouth is a lie unless it can be proven to be true.If your interested here is an radio interview by a person that knew SM and worked for him,he is an Electronic Engineer.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Article:Jack_Durban%27s_experience_with_Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator
here is more info for you was posted on overunity.com a long time ago
Second test report:
Quote
Roland Schinzinger
PhD.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
Second report on Energy Device
At the request of Steven Mark I agreed to thoroughly test his invention of
an energy device "toroid" at my laboratory at the UCI campus.
With me was John Sanchez who will act as an observer and Mr. Mark who will
operate his device for the tests.
The device is reported to develop measurable amounts of electric power beyond
any known battery or storage device. In fact the inventor claims that his device
will create electric power indefinitely as long as it is permitted to cool at intervals.
Mr. Mark arrived promptly at 8:30 AM and wasted no time in permitting my examination
of two units.
The first unit was roughly shaped like a large donut. It measured approximately 4.72"
across with an inside diameter hole of 3" making a core width approximately 1" thick
The unit was exactly 2" tall, resembling a "Toroid". I did not measure the weight however
the unit was extremely light when held in the hand.
Mr. Mark connected the unit directly to a 100 watt 120 volt incandescent light bulb
and caused the unit to operate. It did in fact illuminate the incandescent bulb quite
brightly. I measured the voltage at 137 volts D.C. exactly, (ObS). See note*
I then measured the current flowing through the wires to the bulb at a steady
one-ampere, (ObS).
We noted the time at 9:06 AM.,(ObS).
We next measured the light output from the bulb with a luminescence meter and
noted that it read2.5, (ObS). Next we measured a similar incandescent bulb placed
in a socket powered from the main 120 volt (as measured) AC power provided to the
laboratory. It measured 2.4 on the luminescence meter. This can probably be accounted
for because the voltage as measured from the Toroid device is 137 volts and therefore
12 volts greater, generating a slight increase in light output over the incandescent
light powered by the laboratory main power supply system.
The toroid device did indeed provide the standard voltage and current necessary to
provide electric lighting for a 120-volt circuit.
The inventor then asked us for another bulb, which we provided him and he set about
connecting the second bulb along with the first.
The second bulb was connected in parallel to the first and did indeed light just as
brightly as the first.
I measured 137 volts now across the output just as before although the load had doubled
and the impedance halved (ObS).
I measured the current flowing to the two bulbs at just less then 2-amperes, (ObS).
The inventor stated that the unit would provide the two amperes at 137 volts for several hours,
if not indefinitely. We were cautioned that the unit while in operation would generate heat
leading to self-destruction if not shut down and permitted to cool. He claimed that after
cooling the unit could be restarted and used again over and over.
We permitted the first unit to remain in operation and provide power for the two incandescent
bulbs while we turned our attention to the second larger unit the inventor brought with him for testing.
The second unit was again toroid shaped with a large hole in the center. It was approximately
15" at the outside and 13 " inside with a core thickness of approximately 1". The unit was 4"
tall. The unit was not measured in weight but could be easily lifted with one hand, (ObS).
The inventor started the second larger unit in operation and cautioned myself and Mr. Sanchez
not to touch the output leads from the device as they were at lethal potential. The time was
9:39 AM.
The inventor measured the output leads and told us there was 600 volts potential at several
amperes.
He connected the unit to five 120 volt 100 watt incandescent light bulbs as provided by myself.
The larger second unit did indeed brightly light the five incandescent bulbs brightly. These
bulbs were wired in series.
I measured the current through the wire connected to the 5-bulbs at 1.1 ampere, (ObS). I
measured the voltage at 614 volts D.C., (ObS).
The inventor then connected another five 120 volt light bulbs along with the first five
making a total of ten 120 volt, 100 watt incandescent light bulbs lighting at equal intensity.
I measured the light output with a luminescence meter at 2.43 each light bulb, (ObS).
I did not measure the current but calculated it to be 2 amperes at 614 volts.
I asked the inventor if this was the limit of the unit and he replied, "by no way."
He provided a quick blow fuse rated at 50 amperes.
With two large electrical clamps and wiring, he shorted the fuse across the output
terminals of the toroid and destroyed the fuse, (ObS). There was only a slight flickering
of the ten incandescent bulbs as observed although there was a tremendous discharge of
sparks from the output terminals of the toroid unit.
The inventor then gave me the fuse for examination. It was warm to the touch and smelled
acrid, (ObS). It was a large 240 volt AC air conditioner disconnect fuse and designed for
severe service duty, (OsS).
The inventor's claim that the large toroid output terminals were at lethal potential was
no longer in question.
The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because
of heat build up.
I examined the small toroid unit and it was indeed quite hot to the touch.
The unit had been in steady operation for exactly two hours and fourteen minutes.
Noted: 2-hours and 14 minutes, (ObS).
The load of 2- amperes at 137-volts did not change through the test period.
I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this
size or weight with this capability.
The time was 12:47 when the inventor removed the large toroid device from operation.
It had been in constant operation for three hours and eight minutes.
Noted: 3-hours and 8 minutes, (ObS).
The load of 10-amperes and the voltage of 614 volts did not change throughout the test
with the exception that the voltage did began to fluctuate at 12:03 and began a slight
decline to 598 volts by the end of the test. This could be due to heating of the unit
while in operation.
I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this
size or weight with this capability.
I cannot determine how many hours the toriod units could potentially operate because
of our limited time available for testing.
I can however state with relative certainty I believe the tests show great potential
for this Toroid technology.
December 12, 1995 Roland Schinzinger
*note: (ObS) "also observed by John Sanchez".
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25kw - now we're talkin'
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There is also a video showing Roland Schinzinger testing tpu's at sm's house,so athu
it can not be shown with absolute proof that the tpu is real,it is worthy of investigation.
Except for 2 devices on the investor video which I believe are fake,I can duplicate those
exactly and have ,using parts that you could get in 1997.This was done because theres a size limitation problem with the device,he added those to
make the investors believe that he can make small devices to appeal to there greed,the rest can not be duplicated using parts
that you could get at that time in 1997 or 1995.
Quote from: poynt99 on 2012.10.11, 01:43:08
OMG, Brian Collins seems to be one of the biggest bullshitters I've ever seen, and I've met a few.
If it doesn't come from Steven's own lips, I wouldn't believe a word Brian says.
I agree Steven Mark is not a people person, and that's why Brian was really brought in; he has the gift of gab (bullshit) and smooth talking as a means to sway potential investors. Obviously this Peter and Steve didn't follow through with what appeared to be an agreement to move forward with Brian.
And, aside from the videos, we have very little of what may have actually come from Stevens own lips. We cannot know how much of the Mannix stuff was fed to Lindsay as a distraction. There may be some nuggets in that dialogue, but they may be unintentional slips by Steven. You have to dig deep for those nuggets, they do not lay on the surface excavation.
All the time people spent over the years by many people (myself included) with multiple and interleaved horizontal and vertical windings resulted in nothing, because I believe it is disinfo. The real deal is probably very simple once you know what to look for. This had to be obscured.
The new video and Dr. Schinzinger spells it out clearly: An array of circumferentially wound wires. Schinzinger never mentions vertical winds, the video shows no vertical windings.
I think G's simple test is on the right track. I would add
one very important item and that is an RF choke on the output of the DC bias supply in order to keep the bias supply bypass capacitor from shunting the bias coil and killing the effect.
from G:
QuoteYes, the static coil is fed from a battery or DC supply for initial PoC
Feeding directly from a bias supply or battery without RF chokes will kill any resonance and load the coil severely.
The RF chokes will allow the coil to function properly at resonance and block the RF components from entering the supply while allowing the DC bias to feed the coil.
Every Radio Engineer knows this technique and use it.
Here is a schematic based on G's block diagram and what I think is necessary.
Note that the circuit can be flipped to use a low side driver.
My personal advice would be to develop a valve pulse stage, as cheap and simple as possible.
High voltage primary side of the matching transformer and high current on the secondary to pulse the coil.
You could see the results of sending 2 short pulses that were phase delayed, but every time i got close the fet's would self trigger and get destroyed and i am afraid that you will be destroying your equipment, at least i could change the fet out.
Also the way i made an adjustable iron wire delay, was to wind alu foil over a length of perspex rod, then wrap a very thin dielectric over the alu foil and then wind the iron wire slightly spaced axially down the length of perspex on top of the dielectric, an alligator can be clipped to individual turns of the iron wire for adjustment.
I ran into an interesting problem, if a pulse was sent up the iron wire delay from one end by the time it reached the other end and leaving this end not connected or open the pulse had grown in voltage so much i was getting blue sparks which very quickly burned through the dielectric, interestingly i was also seeing an anomalous pulse which i believe was a reflected pulse from the unterminated delay line, the pulse would travel up the iron delay and sharpen up and once it reached the end would get reflected back to the coil that i pulsed in the first place, you get double the delay and an increased pulse amplitude and a narrower pulse width, but the dielectric material needs to be really thin to allow enough capacitance.
Yes, the valve stage or other nano-pulser, such as avalanche generator or SCR will work.
Here is what we need to determine:
Are the large large coils in the 17" unit all iron or is that just the delay coil
Are the coils in phase or out of phase? I'm guessing out of phase would generate a large stress in space.
In phase would generate a normal magnetic field, however the delay with the addition of DC bias may produce some interesting effects.
From the lab report:
QuoteThe second unit was again toroid shaped with a large hole in the center. It was approximately
15" at the outside and 13 " inside with a core thickness of approximately 1". The unit was 4"
tall. The unit was not measured in weight but could be easily lifted with one hand, (ObS).
Here Schinzinger was talking about the large 15" unit, probably the same unit that was cut apart in a later video. Try lifting with one hand a device filled with batteries that can generate the observed power.
And again from Schinzinger on thesmaller unit:
QuoteThe unit was exactly 2" tall, resembling a "Toroid". I did not measure the weight however the unit was extremely light when held in the hand.
"Extremely light" is saying "no conventional batteries or battery technology" Remember Schinzinger was a mentor to the electric auto group at UCI and would have sensed batteries if there were any.
Ex: For "due diligence" read reply #49 here:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=403.25
The letters show Dr. Schinzinger was not skeptical, but was rather amazed at what he witnessed.
To get a better feel for the reports, they should be read in the timeline with the letters here:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=403.0
I am willing to bet in the 17" devices the delay was done with electronics and then each pulse was fed to each of the little toroidal maching transformers, i believe that each horizontal circumferential wire was iron, remember that photo of the opening i showed with a C shaped crimp which connected to a square section wire, and that you would only use a mechanical connection if the wire either got too hot for solder to melt or you were trying to connect to a ferrous wire and could not solder at all.
The problem with the SCR is that you need to be able to turn on and off in nS and have accurate reproduction of these on and off times.
Avalanche mode may end up getting triggered just when you don't want it to, bit like the problems i had with the fed stage.
I believe we need a current pulse not voltage as G seems to go for.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.11, 12:26:53
The new video and Dr. Schinzinger spells it out clearly: An array of circumferentially wound wires. Schinzinger never mentions vertical winds, the video shows no vertical windings.
I think G's simple test is on the right track. I would add one very important item and that is an RF choke on the output of the DC bias supply in order to keep the bias supply bypass capacitor from shunting the bias coil and killing the effect.
from G:
Feeding directly from a bias supply or battery without RF chokes will kill any resonance and load the coil severely.
The RF chokes will allow the coil to function properly at resonance and block the RF components from entering the supply while allowing the DC bias to feed the coil.
Every Radio Engineer knows this technique and use it.
Here is a schematic based on G's block diagram and what I think is necessary.
Note that the circuit can be flipped to use a low side driver.
I tried a power supply for the bias coil and could never get the voltge increase on the output like spherics described, so I always use batteries. I've had several power supplies shorted when using dual series gaps or a stack and a gap (even a couple of fires - COOL! >:-) )
I've never had an avalanche stack false-trigger even when close to the action. (I have had them fail will several transistors shorted).
I've always used a high-side driver (although low-side is also always there with an avalanche pulser O0 )
I've always used HV (1kv to 4kv - occasionally 10kv with spark gaps) pulses with very low current (1ma to 20 ma)
I know for a fact you do not need tubes.
As for the magnet stuck to the side - what better way to keep that wire magnetized?
Each coil around the ring (the bifilar ones that create the inductive effect) are out of phase slightly with the next one. I think SM used passive delays to do this.
For what it's worth, here is a letter to SM from RS:
QuoteRoland Schinzinger
Ph.D.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
Dear Steven,
Thank you for your kind words of sympathy regarding my loss. We both share similar feelings.
In your letter you asked my opinion: I think it is a miracle that your device works.
Exactly how it converts energy is elusive to both of us at this time. That does not
mean we shouldn't apply ourselves to know for sure. My offer to work with you still
stands. I understand your difficulties with the gentlemen you work for and I will not
take your decision personally. I will be glad to talk to you and help you all I can.
My offer to work on the project was made with the greatest respect and not as some
kind of justification to the Foremost Corporation. I told them that from what I could
see of your units they did supply substantial amounts of both voltage and current. I
told them I could not give any indication of the value of the discovery without
knowing more about it. I did recommend that they invest necessary funds to continue
working on the discovery and that I was interested in working with you. That is about
all I said to them on the subject. Anything you may have heard to the contrary is not true.
To further our discussion, the reason you can not use small transformers within or at
close proximity to your unit is because of the leakage fields of magnetic flux. They
induce currents into nearby circuitry and most likely cause frequency changes in the
operating point of the control unit. Remember when you inject even a small frequency
component into sensitive frequency dependant equipment you can have a disaster. That
is exactly what I believe is occurring when you try to use a transformer close to your
units. There will be all kinds of harmonics present within this field extending past
the radio frequency range. If I were to compare the two I would say that toroidal
transformers would be more susceptible. This may be contrary to common thought.
Toroidal transformers have all their flux aligned with the grain of the steel used
in them. This is the reason for their reduced size as compared with E I cores. When
operated at higher flux density you can permit a smaller core. Toroids will always
saturate quickly, however, E I transformers ramp up to saturation levels slowly. If
anything, I would suggest you work with E I rather then Toroids. In either case I
believe you will find that you will have to place the inverter well outside the collector
coils.
You may also leave a message for me at my office at the University of California Irvine.
Sincerely,
Roland
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.11, 12:26:53
The new video and Dr. Schinzinger spells it out clearly: An array of circumferentially wound wires. Schinzinger never mentions vertical winds, the video shows no vertical windings.
Where does Dr. S say the windings are circumferential?
The other vids of the 17" unit d show vertical windings - and no magnet used around the perifery.
G
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=351.msg25733#msg25733
QuoteAfter the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments
(though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples
consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a
core made of a cork like substance.
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.11, 15:04:21
I know for a fact you do not need tubes.
Just a quick comment to end the tubes debate. SM's main issue against SS vs. Tubes was NOT inherently against SS per se, but more to the point, BJT type Transistors, due to speed, feedback, inherent noise, etc. He clearly stated this, and I agree with him in that regard. He also clearly stated that FETs were JUST LIKE Tubes, from his reference point and in producing workable units. So, Tubes vs. BJTs, sure you might have one hell of a time getting a TPU working, but FETs or Avalanched BJTs, sure, your good to go.
Quote from: Peterae on 2012.10.11, 16:23:46
G
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=351.msg25733#msg25733
It could very well be that where it was cut, control coil sections where not in that region, and/or vertically wound coils would have been cut by the saw and since they'd be 'against the tape' and most likely 'outside the cork region' that they could have easier been overlooked and/or harder to see/note. Theres no doubt what he is describing is the collectors of course.
QuoteJust a quick comment to end the tubes debate. SM's main issue against SS vs. Tubes was NOT inherently against SS per se, but more to the point, BJT type Transistors, due to speed, feedback, inherent noise, etc. He clearly stated this, and I agree with him in that regard. He also clearly stated that FETs were JUST LIKE Tubes, from his reference point and in producing workable units. So, Tubes vs. BJTs, sure you might have one hell of a time getting a TPU working, but FETs or Avalanched BJTs, sure, your good to go.
I am not saying you cannot use fet's, i agree you can but only when they are protected or placed in a region that does not cause them to burn, we don't know where or how to do that right now, because we have not seen the effect using valves which would work OK without the destruction even without the guards needed to protect semiconductors.
SM & Mannix both said valves first O0 , and it is only recently i have realized it's the only discovery method that will work, using a semiconductor switch just introduces too many unknowns in how it affects the anomaly we are looking for.
Maybe a better way would be too drive ION's apparatus with a single spark gap because at least then we don't have stuff to blow.
Infact that is dead easy to setup, HV supply with some protection, Spark Gap
Quote from: Peterae on 2012.10.11, 16:23:46
G
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=351.msg25733#msg25733
After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments
(though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples
consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a
core made of a cork like substance."circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance"
I interpret this as meaning that coils (i.e. more than one layer and/or multiple segments) may have been wound around the collector (horizontal) wires.
As for tubes, avalanche transistors, FET's, or SCR's:
use the one you are most familiar with, as either will work.
Off topic ranting at the machine
The man in the tan suit was from Switzerland, the other man from Singapore.
Mr. Tan Suit has a company, and they discuss manufacturing the units and that even they will need additional help.
Collin's pitch sounds more like an exclusive license rather than a total transfer of ownership.
Sometime after this, either the technology was sold and demo's stopped or the AEC really did get involved and seized the devices. Then sometime after that, Spheric's Group developed the devices further. The trail is dead cold after that.
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.11, 16:48:13
After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments
(though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples
consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a
core made of a cork like substance.
"circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance"
I interpret this as meaning that coils (i.e. more than one layer and/or multiple segments) may have been wound around the collector (horizontal) wires.
Yes, it is true that other devices had vertical windings as well as horizontal, this is a fact.
In this case, the term "circumferential" is open to interpretation.
I'm just stating as a matter of opinion that what I see in the latest video seems to have no vertical windings, and a frame by frame step towards the end clearly shows the horizontal windings, which, had there been vertical windings on that particular unit, they would have obscured the clear definition of the horizontal windings.
It is possible that there are "segments" of vertical winds not easily seen in that video.
Why were vertical windings added to other devices? I gave my opinion on that earlier in the thread.
BTW, power transistors that operate to hundreds of megahertz and higher exist (RF power transistors) but they require a some skill to apply.
Do not confuse switching speed, risetime, falltime etc. with "transit time".
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.11, 18:02:37
Why were vertical windings added to other devices? I gave my opinion on that earlier in the thread.
Please repeat your opinion on the vertical windings added later.
The test should help a great deal in figuring things out.
The units with the vetical winding reproduces the magnet on the side of the other units, A flux bias. This is what magnacoaster and Kunel show.
The document posted by Spherics explains the dual pulse protocol. JDO300 built a controller and I reproduced it and tested it. It does perform the compwave as stated in the document. The reason the wire jumps is because it is hanging in space. The comp wave strikes the aether or the ambient atomic structure(AAS) known as free space. There is no void or emtpy space. The wire is repelled by the reflection from the AAS. The compwave can be considered the belly flop effect. You can move through water at a confortable speed but slap it and it doesn't give. What returns is not a ringing but a rebounding richote. One return. To put this in a piece of iron wire would create an EMP device. My controller is dead at the moment so I bought a dual freq genner by the recommendation of Armagddn03. It need to set the Spheric's compwave parameters in.
I suggest to all reading. Peterae saw the effect as I have. The protocol is spelled out exactly what needs to be done. Firing a spark gap into an iron wire will cause damage due to the wide bandwith chaos emmitted. Trust me on this: if you're married, you won't be. I have also achieved the NMR process. I was in the place to incorporate the compwave and NMR into a cohesive participating unit (This is the Kunel patent) but my controller died. I have debugged and found the problem. I queried Jason but he is in his last month of College. He never got back with me. I am quite dismayed by this. The unit with his fet driver boards cost me $300.00. The cost is not the point. It is the down time. I have seen what cost men their lives or freedom and I want it. My approach is different.
The set up I used is very close to what Grumpy posted here. I just happend to have the correct protocol. And that IS the secret.
Reproduce the effect with the protocol then talk about it. Those that haven't seen it need to in order to express coherently.
So if i knock this test up ION, i would like to clarify, the bifilar windings are copper not iron, the only iron is in the delay?
I have most of this stuff built already, i have my iron wire delay already built and i have a number of bifilars, i can add a bias overwind easily, i have my 10-32kV LOPTX variable psu and i have a bag of spark gaps, so the way i see it i am almost ready to test, would there not be a length of iron wire through the center of the bifilar?
Quote from: Peterae on 2012.10.11, 18:50:25
So if i knock this test up ION, i would like to clarify, the bifilar windings are copper not iron, the only iron is in the delay?
I have most of this stuff built already, i have my iron wire delay already built and i have a number of bifilars, i can add a bias overwind easily, i have my 10-32kV LOPTX variable psu and i have a bag of spark gaps, so the way i see it i am almost ready to test, would there not be a length of iron wire through the center of the bifilar?
The iron through the center makes a great feedback receiver that is not dependent on an angular position.
Or any metal in the vicinity is impacted by the EMP.
Get the protocol by an iron wire delay or electronic phase adjustment.
Quote from: Peterae on 2012.10.11, 16:44:08
I am not saying you cannot use fet's, i agree you can but only when they are protected or placed in a region that does not cause them to burn, we don't know where or how to do that right now, because we have not seen the effect using valves which would work OK without the destruction even without the guards needed to protect semiconductors.
Peterae, lol, sorry man, I wasn't talking or responding to you in particular, just to whoever out there believed that only tubes would work period, basically I was just reaffirming what Grumpy said and ending the long going debate that has spanned years and forums, so I didn't mean that against or to you in any way hehe.
And you note above, totally agreed! :)
hey no problem at all tao O0
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.10.11, 16:48:13
After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments
(though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples
consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a
core made of a cork like substance.
"circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance"
I interpret this as meaning that coils (i.e. more than one layer and/or multiple segments) may have been wound around the collector (horizontal) wires.
Yea, re-reading it again, he differentiates between two specific words, 'coils' and 'wires' denoting two separate entities. Therefore, he is saying there are 'coils' AND 'wires' about the circumference that he saw. Agreed with you Grumpy. Of course we'll never know exactly what he saw/meant, he does very clearly differentiate and mention two TYPES of 'things' about the cork material.
Quote from: Peterae on 2012.10.11, 18:50:25
So if i knock this test up ION, i would like to clarify, the bifilar windings are copper not iron, the only iron is in the delay?
I have most of this stuff built already, i have my iron wire delay already built and i have a number of bifilars, i can add a bias overwind easily, i have my 10-32kV LOPTX variable psu and i have a bag of spark gaps, so the way i see it i am almost ready to test, would there not be a length of iron wire through the center of the bifilar?
Spheric did not specify iron wire. We know it can be used for a fixed delay, according to length.
Since I have not had time yet to replicate, you should ask GK who seems to know, but is not telling.
I will wind up a couple of coils with iron wire and see if I can get to the bench.
BTW, the hot electromagnet tests we were running may be in some way related due to the iron content in the heater coils. I have received my heater wire and will run some tests as time permits.
Right now I am in the midst of a couple of necessary but very important household repairs, but will hit the bench soon.
I stress the use of a DC bias isolated with RF chokes as an important factor. Spheric said the pulses must ride on top of a DC bias and not be allowed to reverse and go through zero or ring through zero. There are many ways to accomplish this.
I am posting on the fly.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.11, 20:02:12
Spheric did not specify iron wire. We know it can be used for a fixed delay, according to length.
Since I have not had time yet to replicate, you should ask GK who seems to know, but is not telling.
I will wind up a couple of coils with iron wire and see if I can get to the bench.
BTW, the hot electromagnet tests we were running may be in some way related due to the iron content in the heater coils. I have received my heater wire and will run some tests as time permits.
Right now I am in the midst of a couple of necessary but very important household repairs, but will hit the bench soon.
I stress the use of a DC bias isolated with RF chokes as an important factor. Spheric said the pulses must ride on top of a DC bias and not be allowed to reverse and go through zero or ring through zero. There are many ways to accomplish this.
I am posting on the fly.
There are two ways to apply the DC bias, per Spherics, either ride the pulses on top or use a separate coil.
It's interesting that Spherics did not mention the use of chokes for the bias supply batteries. (Sauron did show one and asked if it might be used in a TPU)
Where are the chokes in the SM TPU's?
Quote from: Peterae on 2012.10.11, 18:50:25
So if i knock this test up ION, i would like to clarify, the bifilar windings are copper not iron, the only iron is in the delay?
I have most of this stuff built already, i have my iron wire delay already built and i have a number of bifilars, i can add a bias overwind easily, i have my 10-32kV LOPTX variable psu and i have a bag of spark gaps, so the way i see it i am almost ready to test, would there not be a length of iron wire through the center of the bifilar?
I used delay lines with sparkgaps just like an avalanche setup - worked sweet!!! The reflected pulse of the delay line (open ended) shuts off the gap, just like in the AV stack.
Of curse if you run two in series (the gaps) you get the "freakin' loud" bangs at the supply and the wierd field around it.
you can use a charge-rate resistor to slow it all down or trigger the gap for rate control. With triggering you have the issue of isolating the trigger though.
QuoteSince I have not had time yet to replicate, you should ask GK who seems to know, but is not telling.
I did tell...
The protocol measurements in the Spherics document. Jason's controller produces it. I have the preload script on my computers. I pulsed the papertube bifilar and papertube single stranded run. I had a cookie cutter setup to accomplish it whenever I wanted. The controller went south.
I had three set backs this year which cost me dearly in time. The ex wife kicked me out when I blew stuff up for the last time. This was a serious test. I had to buy a house, move, get setup again. The controller suffered. Its like [Hands off, youv'e gone to far]. So in this time frame I have time to ponder and like peterae, I have nothing to build but get the protocol back on line. I have mentioned the protocol like you all have been there, no? Then what ever way you can get the system up or ping Jason for a controller. He sold two of them, Rob and me. Rob has not gotten his. So I watch for everyone here to get a circuit on board to do this. Sparks had posted cmos switching ckts that are extremely fast. I got a ckt from Lindsay that is fast. It is built but not tested against a coil. It is designed to drive voice coils. It is another effort to pull back off the shelf. But Jason's controller worked and did it with reproducibility. Other wise I start over with other circuits trying to figuring shit out again. I had something working and am hesitent to take 2 steps back.
I am not whining or defending. If you have a ckt that produces 50ns pulse width/5ns rise time at least 100ns apart of any frequency like 10khz. Read the document.
I was hoping somebody was already here so the talk could be about capturing this event with coil configurations. It IS about voltage and NO current. The largest voltage I was supplyling was 100v. My next test was to supply 1kv and set the coil against an aluminum plate to push that. The AL will reject the absorbsion. Another test was to push on a static field like Grumpy had mentioned. This is a process that Hutchison does.
So I don't know what I didn't tell. This super fast [Hammer of Thor] pulsing creates an event that has got to be secured or is top secret. My thinking was to use this pulse scheme to ring some target since this event does not ring. It looks like a micro nuclear detonation. The Freey.pdf explains another way to do this by supplying a seperate flux bias.
The protocol generates a thin emmission unlike a spark gap which produces a rainbow, alot of noise. With this the generated event pulsed into a matching coil the Q would be very high. If one looks at the SM17 it has two listening and generating loops with the event creation in the center.
What occurred to me was we use this smack to effect the ambient, then on the collapse we turn it into current. Power lines running near by actually supply a denser ambient to structure not couple current off of.
I recommend a circuit that you can trigger at any desired rate. Then, when you see something interesting, you look at the rate, tell your friends, and we can take a look too.
So, your switch is up to you, but trigger it.
I have 29 AWG and 24 AWG high temp magnet wire, and the avalanche stack parts, just need the chokes for the bias supply, and time to put it all together.
Have we dismissed the possibility that there are indeed vertical windings, and they are under the horizontal ones?
Quote from: poynt99 on 2012.10.11, 22:52:32
Have we dismissed the possibility that there are indeed vertical windings, and they are under the horizontal ones?
Not intirely, just that there are some differences in the SM version that require experiments to further hypothesize.
(http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=351.0;attach=8561;image)
Bumps on top and vertical variations in photo. Woven like a Hendershot?
Quote from: giantkiller on 2012.10.11, 23:06:43
(http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=351.0;attach=8561;image)
Bumps on top and vertical variations in photo. Woven like a Hendershot?
Hendershot is two rings and AC.
I thought everyone here was "in the know" ... Someone might as well say what most of you should know by now -- SM admitted that this wasn't his invention or even his idea and said where it came from (privately) -- and no it's not Brian Collins either. SM even made a public admission in one of his last posts -- where he was going on about how hard it was to get it working to begin with and the only reason they kept going was they had seen it working. This is why SM also reported that one argument the spooks used against him was "also - there is some question about the ownership of the technology", or something to that effect.
Listen to what Brian Collins talks about in the video -- if you can stomach wading through the huge piles of BS that Collins spouts ask yourself what he talks about more than power generation -- what he said the original effects were.
You have to get past all the BS that SM and Brian Collins gave to sell this as theirs – I guarantee that more success will come from examining the principals and origins of this rather than focusing on diversionary crap from the SM and Brian Collins era.
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Using vuse for the torrent...
Here's a photo of Denis Edwards @ Sussex university next to a mag lev in 1998
http://www.msfc.nasa.gov/news/news/photos/1998/photos98-190.htm
Haha Denis mentions the mag lev train i had seen when i was a kid. 1974
http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Users/bend/papers/sussexscience.pdf
QuoteDenis Edwards, describing the magnetic levitation work from
1965–2002, writes that:
Professor John Clifford West was appointed Dean of the new School of Applied
Sciences in 1965. Distinguished in the fields of control and electrical engineering,
John West brought with him from Queen's University, Belfast, Bhalchandra
(Jay) Jayawant and Graham Williams. Controlled electromagnetic levitation and
suspension, commonly known as maglev, soon became a focus for the research group
led by Jay Jayawant. With a grant from the Wolfson Foundation, the first UK 1-tonne
passenger-carrying maglev vehicle was completed in 1974; it ran on a 30-metre track
in what is now the John Clifford West building.
OOPS sorry i am way off topic, but atleast it was Denis that Collins says was going to evaluate the TPU
Quote from: Mark Snoswell on 2012.10.12, 04:57:29
I thought everyone here was "in the know" ... Someone might as well say what most of you should know by now -- SM admitted that this wasn't his invention or even his idea and said where it came from (privately) -- and no it's not Brian Collins either. SM even made a public admission in one of his last posts -- where he was going on about how hard it was to get it working to begin with and the only reason they kept going was they had seen it working. This is why SM also reported that one argument the spooks used against him was "also - there is some question about the ownership of the technology", or something to that effect.
Any idea who the original inventor was then? If SM was not the originator, how did he get his hands on the working device?
Quote
Listen to what Brian Collins talks about in the video -- if you can stomach wading through the huge piles of BS that Collins spouts ask yourself what he talks about more than power generation -- what he said the original effects were.
Brian says the device is extracting energy from gravity, which I find hard to swallow. SM said the source of energy is unknown, but they speculated that it was from the earth's magnetic field; also unlikely imho.
Quote
You have to get past all the BS that SM and Brian Collins gave to sell this as theirs – I guarantee that more success will come from examining the principals and origins of this rather than focusing on diversionary crap from the SM and Brian Collins era.
The trouble is Mark, we do not know the principal upon which the device operates, nor do we know the origins....do we?
QuoteSM even made a public admission in one of his last posts
Is anyone privy to SM's last post's i seem to have been excluded from these :-\
If SM did indeed copy someone Else's tech, it would appear that never made it either or that was squashed as well.
The final word, as I heard it, was that the CEO of UEC said that they had developed the power unit to a commercial stage ready for release -- and that they were not permitted to release it... Frankly they were incredibly naive to think they could get away with it given the history.
I believe Brian's comments that it taps gravity are dead wrong. His comments on effects are more likely to be on the mark -- just ignore anything else he says.
My BS meter was nearly pegged while listening to the BC segment of the video. Nevertheless there may be some nuggets in there.
When listening, use an equalizer to accentuate the voice frequencies, and knock off some of the air conditioner rumble, makes it a lot easier to hear.
Some of the things I picked up in the video:
SM uses the same magnet for both devices. For some reason the magnet is inserted into the smaller unit before handing off to the two fellows, so that they might feel the vibration or gyro effect. The magnet is not needed and is placed on the table after starting the small unit.
The TV is operating off the small unit during the entire time the large unit is demonstrated. From what I can see SM never had time to unplug the TV and plug it back into the wall. He picks up a timer and checks or sets it. SM grabs his meter, starts to walk towards the large unit, then goes back to get the magnet and returns to the large unit. The magnet and meter are in his right hand at this time.
After placing the meter on the table, he then proceeds to swipe the large unit with the magnet, which is still in his right hand. At one point he sets a different timer for the large unit and seems to be concerned regarding the temperature rise of the small unit.
What I find interesting is that SM does not comment on the swiping of the large unit, and puts the magnet quickly into his pocket. I believe he does not want to draw too much attention to this, as it would lead to questions he was not prepared to answer, such as the ferrous content of the unit.
Both units seem to have this ferrous content, since the magnet never falls out of the small unit, and definitely clings to the side of the large unit.
In the past, I have argued that the use of "bailing wire" was a colloquial expression. In light of this new evidence, I now have changed that view.
In a standard copper wire, when current flows, the magnetic field is concentric and surrounds the wire. In iron wire the magnetic field is more contained along the length of the wire and parallel to the current flow.
Quote from: ION on 2012.10.12, 14:00:29
In a standard copper wire, when current flows, the magnetic field is concentric and surrounds the wire. In iron wire the magnetic field is more contained along the length of the wire and parallel to the current flow.
Same if you wrap a coil of wire around the iron wire and power it with DC - the wire becomes magnetized along it's length.
If you set up the bifilar test with iron wire for the delay, hold a magnet near it and watch what happens to the compressed pulse.
Poynt99:
Do you still have the circuit that you setup in Spice that showed the same compressed pulse effect?
QuoteIn iron wire the magnetic field is more contained along the length of the wire and parallel to the current flow.
I wonder how that works if you operate above the curie point of the ferrous metal or alloy, if you could switch the curie point at will you would get a magnetic pulse/burst?
@Mark
QuoteI thought everyone here was "in the know" ... Someone might as well say what most of you should know by now -- SM admitted that this wasn't his invention or even his idea and said where it came from (privately) -- and no it's not Brian Collins either. SM even made a public admission in one of his last posts -- where he was going on about how hard it was to get it working to begin with and the only reason they kept going was they had seen it working. This is why SM also reported that one argument the spooks used against him was "also - there is some question about the ownership of the technology", or something to that effect.
Now you have my curiosity peaked, if there were questions of ownership and they were not allowed to release it then there must have been prior patents, patents with someone's name on them and prior art. I would be eternally grateful if you had a patent number, name or even a guess as to the prior art on this device.
@Ion
QuoteIn the past, I have argued that the use of "bailing wire" was a colloquial expression. In light of this new evidence, I now have changed that view.
If this is the case then the Barkhausen Effect may come into play, I always found this effect interesting and wondered what might happen if the length of a wire was not tuned to the rate of "clicking" but the individual frequency of every singular "click". In this case the degree of separation would be great where one effect may not directly effect the other.
Regards
AC
@Ion
The more I consider the Barkhausen Effect the more interesting it becomes however there must be a certain precision in our thoughts. For instance if I had a magnet and an iron coil I must deal with many effects acting simultaneously therefore I would think the effects must be distilled. Now if I had a switch such as a mosfet and my switch was regulated by a hall effect sensor which excludes all current associated with the process of induction then logically any effects in the circuit proper cannot be due to induction because we have purposely excluded them. In which case we have something resembling Maxwells demon, that is a regulator having something resembling intelligence that can exclude all that we know cannot help us leaving only that which can. If the bias is at and always remains at the zero threshold excluding all current associated with the process of induction then what is left? it must be something else.
Now if my iron coil or circuit was tuned to this something else not directly related to the process of induction then what happens? Hmm.....
AC
It just occurred to me we were told what the effect was LOL
The magnetic Shadow effect, the papers are buried in a university library somewhere.
Quote from: allcanadian on 2012.10.12, 15:58:50
@Ion
The more I consider the Barkhausen Effect the more interesting it becomes however there must be a certain precision in our thoughts. For instance if I had a magnet and an iron coil I must deal with many effects acting simultaneously therefore I would think the effects must be distilled. Now if I had a switch such as a mosfet and my switch was regulated by a hall effect sensor which excludes all current associated with the process of induction then logically any effects in the circuit proper cannot be due to induction because we have purposely excluded them. In which case we have something resembling Maxwells demon, that is a regulator having something resembling intelligence that can exclude all that we know cannot help us leaving only that which can. If the bias is at and always remains at the zero threshold excluding all current associated with the process of induction then what is left? it must be something else.
Now if my iron coil or circuit was tuned to this something else not directly related to the process of induction then what happens? Hmm....
AC
Certainly worth investigating further. I always thought the Barkhausen gave a rather weak signal. Maybe you can discover some tricks to improve it.
Quote from: Peterae on 2012.10.12, 17:26:55
It just occurred to me we were told what the effect was LOL
The magnetic Shadow effect, the papers are buried in a university library somewhere.
it was a magnetic shadow material and not a paint (or effect)
SM just mentioned it and said it "tied into" the technology of his TPU. (Of course, that could mean almost anything.)
Testing of ION's circuit
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1543.msg25851#msg25851
You know SM went all out to get over you can have DC & AC currents through the same wire at the same time, so i wonder why can we not have our DC bias running through the bifilar wires while we pulse them instead of having a separate bias winding just bias the wire we are pulsing.
Quote from: Peterae on 2012.10.13, 14:12:09
You know SM went all out to get over you can have DC & AC currents through the same wire at the same time, so i wonder why can we not have our DC bias running through the bifilar wires while we pulse them instead of having a separate bias winding just bias the wire we are pulsing.
I pointed this out as a note on my schematic. Yes, a bias winding may not necessary. It could also be accomplished with residual magnetism in iron wire or a static PM field.
I do stress the use of RF chokes to decouple the AC components from the DC bias, and also to prevent the bypass capacitor inside the power supply from swamping any effects.
I have wound some 15 " hoops with iron wire, and will be experimenting with them shortly.
OOPS so you did O0
Quote from: Peterae on 2012.10.12, 14:46:24
I wonder how that works if you operate above the curie point of the ferrous metal or alloy, if you could switch the curie point at will you would get a magnetic pulse/burst?
Better and more efficient than trying to regulate the temperature of the wire around the Curie point would be to use the saturation effect to cause the field to transfer from parallel to the wire to perpendicular and circular to the wire.
This could be done by carefully adjusting the current through the wire until the iron wire saturates, at which time the field should begin to switch it's orientation.
This was done automatically with the application of our mains potential to the heater wire experiments, and may account for the pulse we have seen.
Further food for thought and experimentation: Will a bifilar transformer made with iron wire (at least one of the winds) have a worse coupling coefficient below wire saturation as opposed to above wire saturation? (disregarding ohmic losses)
Here is the indoor outdoor thermometer sold by Radio Shack under the "Micronta" label in their 1994 catalog. I have not checked later catalogs.
It looks very close to the one in the video
I'm sure we can find many of the parts SM used, but not sure about the CM chokes.
Quote from: Peterae on 2012.10.13, 14:12:09
You know SM went all out to get over you can have DC & AC currents through the same wire at the same time, so i wonder why can we not have our DC bias running through the bifilar wires while we pulse them instead of having a separate bias winding just bias the wire we are pulsing.
This is exactly why Otto wired up my GK4 in the Tesla patent while also series connecting the iron wire core loops in the pulsing loop. The bias is part of the pulsing as in the iron wire retains the magnetic bias to be struck against.
Thank you very much for providing the links to references.
I'd seen some of the videos before but not the entire
presentation. Your step by step analysis is very helpful
due to audio quality in the video. I wasn't able to
clearly hear all of the conversations and commentary.
The energy source is clearly not the Earth's Magnetic and
Gravity Fields. Devices with greater capabilities than what
SM was able to access are, and have been for decades, in
use in certain military projects which are now being gradually
revealed. Think Operation Paperclip, Area 51, UFOs and Black
Projects.
I know that it is very difficult for many to believe, but without
the Agreements made with "Alien Entities" none of our extremely
advanced technology essential to the secret space program
would have been possible.
Those technologies cannot be replicated without access to
what are called "portals" where inter-dimensional energy
transfer is possible. It would be most interesting to discover
how SM was able to acquire access since the process requires
very strict adherence to protocols and secrecy in addition to
surrender of ones own will. I suspect SM was essentially
"disappeared" for violations before it was time.
What will be revealed in the near future regarding these
things, as well as what will be seen by all with their own
eyes, is going to "blow our minds." The general population
really has no idea what has been accomplished. Star Trek and
Star Wars have been promoted as fiction while in reality much
truth about the state of technology is introduced there.
Self destructive, harmonic power reflections.