OverUnity Research

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1cNaFG1VII
CARL SAGAN - A Way of Thinking

I was just looking for an old post [my old Corona thread] and found Hoptoad had shared a link

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvHqXK_Hz79tjqRosK4tWYA

if you don't think appropriate for your topic I will remove.

thx
Chet K

Chet

QuoteI was just looking for an old post [my old Corona thread] and found Hoptoad had shared a link

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvHqXK_Hz79tjqRosK4tWYA

Ah, you read my mind and the ThunderboltsProject is very relevant.

Logically, the universe is electric on it's most fundamental level because every particle has an electric field but not always a magnetic field per say. In fact most of my success could be attributed to the fact my primary focus and field of expertise was electric field phenomena. I basically ignored the magnetic field which most have become infatuated with and concentrated solely on the electric field.

It was also strange that the many electrical engineers and other professionals I spoke with have very little knowledge of electric field phenomena. As Victor Schauberger implied, we should do the opposite of what everyone else does. As such if everyone is concentrating on conduction and magnetic field effects we should do the opposite... study the electric field.

It is also interesting that the knowledge and application of electric field effects predates all other known technologies and cultures dating back to the first Sumerian civilizations around 3000 B.C. . https://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-ancient-sumerians. Many would like to erase our past and pretend these ancient cultures were simple barbarians however this could not be further from the truth.

Regards

Several years ago Brian O'Leary was interviewed by Project
Camelot. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCf8EVWHnbA)  Brian is a prominent researcher into the World of
Free Energy who has written several books on the subject.

The interview is fascinating, particularly in view of current events
and the growing realization that our World is governed by powers
who are determined to suppress all movement towards Free Energy.

Brian tells an incredible story about his travails in the World of Academia
and Private Industry with a tantalizing revelation regarding Black Projects.

Brian O'Leary is no longer with us but he shall be remembered. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_O'Leary)

AC
I drove into and through a few big north east cities in USA these last few days..one thing stood out to
me since my last visit a month or so back...when the Air was sooo clean from Quarantine...

no more clean air...[and it did look like an old horror movie with all the jobless walking about in masks and all the "for rent" signs and closed businesses...etc etc [and no children to be seen [fear?]
...........................................
Anyhow
Living down wind as you do from all that smog [even "weird emissions" ] to your west ??


how about we do something about that ??
or how about water ? to desalinate or purify ?

something for the "everyman" ?

Huh ?
perhaps a "special" teaching topic for that here ?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCwa3y4gxuP/?igshid=1q1uikjxijycz

Free energy anyone

Regards

Mike 8)

Hey Mike

Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/p/CCwa3y4gxuP/?igshid=1q1uikjxijycz
Free energy anyone

It's strange so many have diverged from the fundamentals.

Man prefers to bore holes in the Earth and extract a filthy and toxic substance we call hydrocarbons then burn it producing toxic gasses and acid rain. Not only is it destructive and expensive but just plain old stupid. In nature the Sun produces large thermal gradients on Earth that move massive amounts of air which carry more energy than man can utilize. In nature the gravity from our moon lifts more water as tides than falls through our dams. Nature always does it better, faster and cheaper than mankind ever could.

I studied and researched all of Victor Schauberger's work for many years and he was on the right track in my opinion. He said to comprehend and copy nature, do the opposite of what mankind does. So while we burn stuff to generate heat and toxic gasses nature transforms ambient heat into kinetic energy through a cooling process. Heat is simply the internal motion of particles within matter and this motion can be transformed into an external motion we can utilize through the process Victor rediscovered.

In fact Schauberger, Tesla and many others were avid researchers like myself and found these technologies were utilized by the ancient Sumerians and Egyptians as well as many other cultures. Do you know how the ancient Egyptians cut there massive stones for projects like the pyramids so quickly and precisely?. In many area's we see circular cuts and markings like they were using a cutting wheel of some sort. So of course people made the mistake of thinking it was a primitive abrasive wheel like we use today. So the ancient cultures used a soft copper wheel to abrade or cut super hard rock like granite?, lmao. It is quite possibly the most lame excuse for an answer I have ever heard.

So how could they cut hard rock like granite with a soft copper disk?. It's easy and they used what was known and available to them at the time. They had an imitate knowledge of sound and vibrations as well as electricity however not as most here know it. So they built a large copper disk, bound at the center and probably hit is like a gong causing high frequency vibrations similar to what we know as ultrasound. While doing this they would also rub the disk with animals skins, fur or fabric to produce a very high surface charge of static electricity which broke down the stone and also repelled the dust/debris out of the cut. You see it wasn't simple abrasion like we use today because that's stupid and energy intensive and they were smarter than that because they followed nature. The soft copper disk didn't wear out like we would expect with abrasion because the disk didn't need to touch the stone. It was the high frequency electrostatic vibrations which caused the stone to break apart not abrasion.

The ancient technology was based on what they knew and was present at the time. Sound, vibrations and static electricity. The term electricity comes from the classical Latin electrum, amber, from the Greek ἤλεκτρον (elektron), amber. The ancient cultures understood static electricity very well because that is form of electricity nature utilizes not conduction which is only a means to discharge excessive voltage like lightning does.

If people want to learn something new large conduction currents and magnetism is not the answer. It's like flogging a dead horse and that is not how nature works. As Victor Schauberger implied ... it is unnatural and to be avoided.

Regards

The Pyramids of Giza have long been a very great mystery.

Suppose that they are much, much older than most today
believe they are.  Going back to the time when Giants were
present upon the Earth.  Building the Great Pyramids would
have been an easy task for Men who may have been 12 to
15 feet tall.

There are numerous ancient remains of those tall Giants in
every Continent upon the Planet.  Some of their workmanship
remains in South America which is just as impressive as the
Pyramids of Giza.

We do not know what sort of Technology they may have had
in those times, but some Scientists are of the opinion that it
could have been as advanced as we have today.

One day we shall know for certain.  They may have been
Super-Human or Super-Natural with powerful abilities.

Is Atlantis a myth or did it really exist?

There is new evidence to support the idea that all our religions were taken from stories of ancient Sumeria. However the Sumerians did not worship a God but "visitors from the heavens". Do you understand, not gods but other beings with advanced technology.

So it's kind of comical that all our current religions are based on a false premise. They are unknowingly worshipping alien beings which most don't even believe in, lol.

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.07.19, 23:27:02
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In fact Schauberger, Tesla and many others were avid researchers like myself and found these technologies were utilized by the ancient Sumerians and Egyptians as well as many other cultures. Do you know how the ancient Egyptians cut there massive stones for projects like the pyramids so quickly and precisely?. In many area's we see circular cuts and markings like they were using a cutting wheel of some sort. So of course people made the mistake of thinking it was a primitive abrasive wheel like we use today. So the ancient cultures used a soft copper wheel to abrade or cut super hard rock like granite?, lmao. It is quite possibly the most lame excuse for an answer I have ever heard.

So how could they cut hard rock like granite with a soft copper disk?. It's easy and they used what was known and available to them at the time. They had an imitate knowledge of sound and vibrations as well as electricity however not as most here know it. So they built a large copper disk, bound at the center and probably hit is like a gong causing high frequency vibrations similar to what we know as ultrasound. While doing this they would also rub the disk with animals skins, fur or fabric to produce a very high surface charge of static electricity which broke down the stone and also repelled the dust/debris out of the cut. You see it wasn't simple abrasion like we use today because that's stupid and energy intensive and they were smarter than that because they followed nature. The soft copper disk didn't wear out like we would expect with abrasion because the disk didn't need to touch the stone. It was the high frequency electrostatic vibrations which caused the stone to break apart not abrasion.

The ancient technology was based on what they knew and was present at the time. Sound, vibrations and static electricity. The term electricity comes from the classical Latin electrum, amber, from the Greek ἤλεκτρον (elektron), amber. The ancient cultures understood static electricity very well because that is form of electricity nature utilizes not conduction which is only a means to discharge excessive voltage like lightning does.

If people want to learn something new large conduction currents and magnetism is not the answer. It's like flogging a dead horse and that is not how nature works. As Victor Schauberger implied ... it is unnatural and to be avoided.

Regards

If you are not already familiar with these, these are well worth the time. If nothing else you owe it to yourself to read the thread at Thunderbolts and watch episode 2.

This series titled 'The Pyramid Code' was a real eye opener. Especially episode #2.
The entire series:
https://youtu.be/yXRRnaJJ1aA?list=PLUcbvqD3aOMoRuicA5GZwCNZJzap3_FCU

Episode #2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7d-hjlU0O4

Years ago a couple of researchers actually deciphered and reproduced some of the ancient Egyptian technology,
Ancients Knowledge of EU revealed in Dendera Light discovery:
http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=14651 Read all the posts by Armand.

QuoteThe hieroglyphs spoke of the 'day and night bulbs - drawing down the energy from the Sun', and the 'the lotus flower giving forth the sun of a new day', and deities carrying sistrum/crotalums around the room delivering energy to the priestess' in the chairs.

Enjoy

Cadman

QuoteYears ago a couple of researchers actually deciphered and reproduced some of the ancient Egyptian technology,
Ancients Knowledge of EU revealed in Dendera Light discovery:
http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=14651 Read all the posts by Armand.

Yes, I am familiar with the thunderbolts forum and that thread.

In fact, many of the Sumarian/Egyptian depictions are not simply symbolic but are actual devices. However the technology is so different from ours nobody had a clue what they were looking at. I built some of them as well as a smaller version of the Dendera Light after reading the thunderbolts thread.


Regards

You mentioned sound and vibrations. Are you familiar with George Constantinescu (Gogu Constantinesco)? LancaIV posted about his torque converter over at OU, but what is most interesting is his work 'Theory of wave transmission. A treatise on transmission of power by vibrations' which can be found here: https://archive.org/stream/theoryofwavetran00consrich#page/n3/mode/2up

He gives an example on page 43 of a generator with a h.p. of 0.85 producing a hydromotive force of 5.1 h.p.

COP = 6 ?

He invented all kinds of devices based on his wave transmission including motors. Much more than just a torque converter.

All of his patents are listed here:
http://www.stefania-maracineanu.ro/mvstr-sm/GoguConstantinescu/03Inscrisuri/Brevete-R.html

Do we have any "Sliders" in the group?

Sliders: People Who Cause Strange Electrical Phenomena (https://psychicspiritinyou.com/2014/05/27/people-experiencing-strange-electric-phenomena-sliders/)

Quote from: the Article
Despite the name, Sliders phenomena are not limited to street lights only. Often folks who share your "ability"
can't wear watches; they will stop working within a couple of days, regardless of how many new batteries are put in them.

They also affect other electrical appliances such as headlights and alternators in automotive vehicles, lights/light
bulbs and computers. Light bulbs may blow every time a "SLIder" touches a lamp or a light switch.

continues...

High Technology Top Secret Projects

Quote from: Cadman on 2020.07.23, 16:06:59
Are you familiar with George Constantinescu (Gogu Constantinesco)?
He invented all kinds of devices based on his wave transmission including motors. Much more than just a torque converter.

All of his patents are listed here:
http://www.stefania-maracineanu.ro/mvstr-sm/GoguConstantinescu/03Inscrisuri/Brevete-R.html

Hello.I am Romanian , and I have never ever heard of George Constantinescu.
Stefania - Maracineanu is also Romanian name.

If he did invent a lot of this ....we are hitting the wall again guys , because it comes the question....""Why did his invention not surface ? ""

About the science of free energy...well..if I may  , my humble opinion ...

1.Voltage we get for free...Voltage is the numbers of turns...increase turns = increase voltage.
To get W ..we need I , current.  However we have seen in transformers that if we increase the voltage the current will decrease..
So if I were a betting man , I would try to make a device that amplifies current. But what is Current ? ..Where does it come from ?

Be well all.

In science, it is good practice to verify theories by experiments and measurements, and to confront observations. Only then, when a consensus is reached on the reality of this knowledge, is it called a science.

In the free energy movement, for the last 30 years, we have been seeing smoky theories, and experiments that never prove free energy, not even anomalies in relation to known theories, only interpretations that they would be anomalies when a reasonable doubt disqualifies them.

When we look for free energy, we are not even using a scientific method, since we assume a priori its existence, whereas science is only about explaining what we observe, and we do not observe free energy.

All we can do is to consider that scientific knowledge is not complete and that there must be unknown phenomena. By trying to find anomalies in the experiments, we can hope that maybe there will be solutions for free or very cheap energy. But if we look for "free energy" from the beginning, we can be sure that we will see it everywhere when it will be nowhere, because we want to believe in it.

You should also know that the search for anomalies is all that the academic physicists are looking for, they too want a new physics, and among them there are exceptional minds and enormous experimental means. Don't think that these people would have their mind formatted by a dogmatic science. Their minds are at least as curious as ours. So the competition is tough, and for the moment they have largely proven that they have results. You don't send a probe around Jupiter without real science.
And real science, scientists are able to communicate it and make it available to engineers, so that everyone can build devices that work and that everyone can use.

If free energy is a science, where is the associated technology? You only see it on youtube!   C.C
Let's be modest. There is no science of free energy. In free energy, there is research, but research is not science and will never be science until it is demonstrated by a working technology.

Quote from: F6FLT on 2021.05.07, 15:32:53

If free energy is a science, where is the associated technology?

As I see it, "Free Energy" is a concept, a theory - a subdivision of energy.

Technology and the scientific method are useful tools and/or knowledge structures. They are to be applied to all forms of study of energy, or for that matter, any intellectual enquiry.

I reckon the reason why so many FE workers are chasing their tails is that they are not using technological or scientific knowledge properly and have no knowledge of the scientific method.

Quote from: Paul-R on 2021.05.07, 17:12:09
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I reckon the reason why so many FE workers are chasing their tails is that they are not using technological or scientific knowledge properly and have no knowledge of the scientific method.

I agree.

But for me free energy is not even a theory. A theory, at least in science, is something that must be refutable in the sense of Karl Popper. FE is not rationally formulated, in operational terms. It is therefore not refutable, just like the Hindu "theory" of reincarnation. It is a utopian dream, and there are many more delusional and unrealistic utopias than feasible ones.

Quote from: F6FLT on 2021.05.08, 08:10:32
I agree.

But for me free energy is not even a theory. A theory, at least in science, is something that must be refutable in the sense of Karl Popper. FE is not rationally formulated, in operational terms. It is therefore not refutable, just like the Hindu "theory" of reincarnation. It is a utopian dream, and there are many more delusional and unrealistic utopias than feasible ones.

It depends on definitions. A pragmatic definition of FE is whatever heats your home for nothing. It would include (disregarding capital and maintenance costs) heat pumps, wind turbines in the garden and PV cells - which is not helpful.

I think a good FE starting point is quantum foam. As for the Hindus, I suspect you haven't heard of the case where a young child got lost on a picnic and accidently wandered back to the wrong village, only to be recognised by her "previous" mother as a daughter who died in a tragic accident some years ago. The matter spent a lot of time in the Indian judiciary system and one of the families agreed to move to the other village and bring up the child on a joint basis.

With the advent of 5th dimensional mathematics:

We find that light itself is most likely a manifestation of a 5th dimensional interaction.
And that too, the atomic structures seem to also follow 5th dimensional math.
(I personally have only confirmed this using elements 1-7, as it becomes highly complex)

It is becoming a reasonable concept that our 4 aspects (electricity, magnetism, gravity, light)
Are all resultant from 5th dimensional interaction.


Once we realize that the shape formed by the basic atomic constructs matches almost exactly
the shape of our universe, our previous theories appear silly.

Our universe is a 4th dimensional manifestation originating from the 5th dimension.
That is, our 3 dimensions moving through space, over time.

We are able to now quantify gravitational changes resultant from lasing,
as well as the vector and propagation of those changes through the coherent laser light.
Gravity itself, now considered as possessing 'light-like duality', that is, behaving as both a particle and a wave.
However light and gravity are not particles nor waves, as with emf and magnetism.
All 4 CAN propagate as particles or waves, or exist in a more pure form.

It is likely that all energy is free. It is simply our methods of manipulation that cost us.
More subtle stimulus can produce profound effects, whereas brute force consumes always.

Recreate the quadrupolar atomic construct with electromagnetics and you will surely have artificial gravity.
Oscillation between 2 adjacent constructs, one a tiny size larger, will (mathematically speaking) produce
light in the (infinitesimal) space between them.

Magnetism on an atomic scale occurs when the quadrupolar construct is 'spin alligned' towards the same axial pole.
When this occurs, (said atom constrained) the 4th dimensional aspect is removed (or made constant), and the
5th dimensional manifestation occurs in a single vector.

When we apply this analysis to large physical constructs, the cumulative 5th dimensional effects are also vectored.
(permanent magnetism)

By this analysis, Carbon is ferrous (why it does not always demonstrate this is due to crystalline structure variance)
As is aluminum, chromium, cadmium and tellurium.
(huh? - yeah these are a problem to explain... im not going to attempt this)
A large portion of the periodic table can in fact become magnetic.

All other elements are paramagnetic, and can be (temporarily) magnetized when in a magnetic field, when their structures are 'spin aligned' in an alternating bi-polar vector
(4th dimensional aspect is only constrained in the presence of a magnetic field)

This can be recognized using 4 coils on a single torroid, spaced in 4 cardinal vectors.
The current flow, with respect to a path around the toroid (outwardly) in the direction of a single pole,
and (inwardl) through the toroid towards the opposite pole.
If you follow clockwise, your windings clockwise, and counter if counter. (Left and right hand rules)

You can now produce a stable 5th dimensional manifestation.
Manipulation of which results in direct aetheric feedback mechanisms.

Reach out and touch the universe

Free Energy is no different than all energy having the capacity to perform work and energy always relates to motion on some level. Energy is Energy...

In our case Free Energy relates to the energy normally latent or hidden within matter as internal motion. Many people like Feynman claimed it could not be done however he never gave a valid reason why not thus his was like many other unfounded opinions. As well, most did not have the intellectual capacity to work through the actual nature of the problem...

So what is the problem?, the actual nature of the problem is that the scale of atomic/molecular motion is so small anything we use to try to convert this motion senses it as being motionless. Not unlike how we cannot sense ultrasound despite the fact it is based on an oscillation and it is sound. Why 200 years ago I could have used the technology of the time to produce ultrasound and detected motion at a distance and they would have thought me a god. Not because I am, obviously, but only because my knowledge base is so far removed from there sense of normalcy and knowledge they have literally no idea what to make of it. Just as many today have no idea what to make of Free Energy.

Free energy is just as easy as ultrasound and I mentioned it because the concept is similar. How many here could throw together a circuit to detect all the ultrasound frequencies around them in this moment?. The number is about the same as the people who could throw together a Free Energy circuit to detect all the EM frequencies in matter surrounding them in this moment. Thus it was never a matter of science but who actually understands the science and is able to apply it.

So this absurd notion that were not swimming in a sea of energy of motion is just that, absurd.

As I like to say, name one thing not in perpetual motion... nobody can thus perpetual motion or energy is the norm. I call it a show stopper question because nobody I have ever met has had the balls to answer it. They just stop in there tracks, like a deer in headlights and have no comeback. That in itself is very telling that so few have the conviction or integrity to actually go there.

Regards
AC

Quote from: Sm0ky2
Reach out and touch the universe

As a matter of fact, those who have had experience with the Secret Space Programs do discuss their near
instantaneous re-location from Earth to Mars or the Moon and return via Jump Rooms or Portals.

Quote from: AC
Free energy is just as easy as ultrasound and I mentioned it because the concept is similar.

Could you clarify that thought?

Are you referring to the Solar Derived Free Energy that we are swimming in, or, are you referring to the much sought after Esoteric Free Energy?

When you say that it is "easy" do you mean that it is easy to hypothesize or that it is easy to make manifest?

Or possibly some other meaning of "easy?"

Quote from: muDped on 2021.07.23, 21:41:54
As a matter of fact, those who have had experience with the Secret Space Programs (https://www.youtube.com/user/supreme600/videos?disable_polymer=1) do discuss their near
instantaneous re-location from Earth to Mars or the Moon and return via Jump Rooms...

'riding the magnetic wave'
At first this was thought to be a sort of FTL travel or even teleportation.
As it turns out, propagation of the magnetic field is instantaneous.
Or rather it is absent of 4th dimensional properties.
What we observe (at near c velocities) is the propagation of our induced changes to said field.
Not the field itself- this is ever present from the moment it is created, along its' vector into infinity
(with infinitely decreasing apparent strength)
I say apparent, example is our earth's field which can still move a compass, even with little strength.
At a great distance across galactic or universal distances, there is still the field, albeit very weak. Instantly.
Perturbations are caused at Ghz frequencies, similar to a laser but in the magnetic domain.
The 'data' is sent along this "carrier signal". We and our stuff being the data.
Within the envelope, what we think of as universal constraints are not effectively present:
Relativistically speaking the T has a j (imaginary) component and as such is simultaneously every time and no time.
The travel itself is not 'instant' but rather one cycle that occurs in a fraction of a millionth of a second.
At virtually any conceivable distance. There are distances we cannot reach, at least not with our current knowledge.

What we need to accomplish this is a location and vector to the current position of our destination.
And the further this gets the more precise our calculations must be or we exit at a point in empty space or worse.
The number of people we have lost to this cause could rival the worst of our modern wars.

How this relates to free energy, is the (near) simultaneous resultant changes between 2 points in space.
We are limited to the extent of induced electric and magnetic fields which can disrupt the pathway.
And for this reason most metals cannot be 'sent'. This was the primary motive for development of new steel alloys
Which can be placed in microwave ovens.

When you consider 2 (permanent or static) magnetic fields combining
Because of the absence of a T component, the fields are additive.
When we perturb the fields, even at several hundred Ghz, and set them out of phase (180)
we have a permanent magnetic frequency, essentially 2x f
~0.9Thz are the numbers i saw in the early 2000's

Tesla knew all of this, and is part of what was taken by uncle sam.
Who now has a law to keep US 50-yrs technologically behind him.

Well guess what, it's been 50 yrs.

A laser combined with:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photomagnetic_effect (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photomagnetic_effect)

causes such perturbations

Quote from: Sm0ky2
Tesla knew all of this, and is part of what was taken by uncle sam.
Who now has a law to keep US 50-yrs technologically behind him.

Speaking of Tesla:  Declassified FBI Document States That Nikola Tesla Was An Alien From Venus

Quote from: muDped on 2021.07.24, 18:26:01
Speaking of Tesla:  Declassified FBI Document States That Nikola Tesla Was An Alien From Venus (https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/09/declassified-fbi-document-states-that-nikola-tesla-was-an-alien-from-venus/)

:-\

Quote from: muDped on 2021.07.24, 18:26:01
Speaking of Tesla:  Declassified FBI Document States That Nikola Tesla Was An Alien From Venus (https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/09/declassified-fbi-document-states-that-nikola-tesla-was-an-alien-from-venus/)

Why do you link to The "Mysterious Universe" who link to "The Epoch Times" and not to the source, the FBI?

Quote from: Paul-R
Why do you link to The "Mysterious Universe" who link to "The Epoch Times" and not to the source, the FBI?

As an Invitation for those who want to dig deeper to do so by following search links.

You're welcome!

Quote from: muDped on 2021.07.25, 23:35:02
As an Invitation for those who want to dig deeper to do so by following search links.

You're welcome!

The links are rubbish.

I attempted to find confirmation from the source, the FBI. are failed. Yet again, mudped, you are linking to disinformation with a view, I presume, to discredit the single most important person in FE history.

Quote from: Paul-R
I attempted to find confirmation from the source, the FBI. are failed.

Yet again, mudped, you are linking to disinformation with a view, I presume, to discredit the single most important person in FE history.

The Document is attached.

Bon Appetit!

I have seen this file. It is a mish mosh of a dozen or so papers, many of which are not FBI but obvious forgeries. (I doubt the FBI has ever been a subset of the Dept of Justice and their regular letterheads do not use a gothic typeface).

The document you refer to is in Acrobat Reader's page 3 and is headed Interplanetary Sessions Newsletter and signed by Margaret storm, of the Colonial Hotel. This is not an FBI document.

You're a fantasist, mudped.

Quote from: Paul-R
I have seen this file.

It is a mish mosh of a dozen or so papers, many of which are not FBI but obvious forgeries.

(I doubt the FBI has ever been a subset of the Dept of Justice and their regular letterheads do not use a gothic typeface).

The document you refer to is in Acrobat Reader's page 3 and is headed Interplanetary Sessions Newsletter and signed by Margaret storm, of the Colonial Hotel.

This is not an FBI document.

You're a fantasist, mudped.

Your opinings are always "interesting" Paul.

The document is an FBI File indicative of how certain "reports" were brought to their attention and processed in the early '40s.

Relevant sources of information are included in the file.

Sources which were collected and reviewed by appropriate agents at the times indicated.

It seems that you have little experience with FBI Files from within that timeframe.

You will notice that the FBI Agents have not made any determination regarding Tesla's origins but have simply reported what they have discovered.

The file itself is very interesting for a variety of historical reasons.

The FBI investigates and has investigated many people under numerous circumstances.

Those investigative reports are routinely declassified and made publicly available upon FOIA requests.

Whether Tesla has any connection to the Venusians remains to be discovered.

Have you actually perused the File and read any of it?

Could it be you yourself who is in reality the Fantasist?

:o

Quote from: muDped on 2021.07.27, 01:30:11

You will notice that the FBI Agents have not made any determination regarding Tesla's origins but have simply reported what they have discovered.

In your post, you say "Declassified FBI Document States That Nikola Tesla ...." and now you say "FBI Agents have not made any determination ... " probably helped by the fact that the surface temperature of Venus is around the 500 degree mark.

The point is that the FBI said nothing of the sort. What they do possess is some document from some sort of flake which suggests that he was from Venus.

You didn't expect that compilation doc to surface. This is how disinformation can work.

Quote from: Paul-R
In your post, you say "Declassified FBI Document States That Nikola Tesla ....

" and now you say "FBI Agents have not made any determination ... "

probably helped by the fact that the surface temperature of Venus is around the 500 degree mark.

The point is that the FBI said nothing of the sort. What they do possess is some document from some sort of flake which suggests that he was from Venus.

You didn't expect that compilation doc to surface. This is how disinformation can work.

To review:

Original Post

You will notice that the Link is the title of the web page referenced;  the title of the article written by Jocelyne LeBlanc.

As with any news article you are free to draw your own conclusions based upon the information provided.

The FBI File regarding Tesla is authentic.

The sources of relevant information collected by the FBI are authentic.

The FBI expressed an interest in the claim made in the Interplanetary Session Newsletter and actually underlined that portion of the document.

Regarding Venus and the Venusians:

Secret Space Program experiencers who have had contact with Venusians both on Planet Venus and here on Earth tell us that:

(a.)  The Venusians are a race of entities who are far more intelligent than Earthly Humans.

(b.)  The Venusians are somewhat taller than Earthly Humans and have an "Angelic" appearance.

(c.)  The Venusians are assisting the inhabitants of Planet Earth through the ongoing transition from 4D to 5D in various technological ways.

I leave it to you and any others who may be interested to perform research to learn more.

It is unanimously accepted that Nikolas Tesla was a most unusual specimen of Earthly Human.

Tesla possessed unique intelligence and provided knowledge of very advanced technology at a critical time in Earthly Development.

There is still uncertainty in the Scientific Community regarding Tesla's possible origins.

Regarding your belief about the surface temperature of Planet Venus;  dig deeper.

Bon appetit!

Quote from: muDped on 2020.07.20, 00:41:49
The Pyramids of Giza have long been a very great mystery.

Suppose that they are much, much older than most today
believe they are.  Going back to the time when Giants were
present upon the Earth.  Building the Great Pyramids would
have been an easy task for Men who may have been 12 to
15 feet tall.

There are numerous ancient remains of those tall Giants in
every Continent upon the Planet.  Some of their workmanship
remains in South America which is just as impressive as the
Pyramids of Giza.

We do not know what sort of Technology they may have had
in those times, but some Scientists are of the opinion that it
could have been as advanced as we have today.

One day we shall know for certain.  They may have been
Super-Human or Super-Natural with powerful abilities.

Is Atlantis a myth or did it really exist?

Hello friends..@muDped

Yes , there were giants among us.
Yes , there were people with powerful abilities.
Yes...there is a chance that Atlantis IS real......However     :

If you are a giant or have special abilities...that does not make you Intelligent.
How the pyramids are build...that is a question of intelligence...not so much about power.

My friend build a 800.000 $ and he had the best Architects from the country.
months late..cracks started to appear in the whole house.

A good question would be.....What kind of intelligence...could manage to handle such a big task...like a pyramid.

Best regards.

Quote from: sollaris1989
A good question would be.....What kind of intelligence...could manage to handle such a big task...like a pyramid.

Excellent question.

Even with the machinery available today, constructing the Pyramids of Giza would be a daunting task.

The Energy required to cut and place the massive stones is difficult to imagine.

Whodunnit?


Food for thought:  What is the Quantum Computer?

QuoteIt is unanimously accepted that Nikolas Tesla was a most unusual specimen of Earthly Human.
Tesla possessed unique intelligence and provided knowledge of very advanced technology at a critical time in Earthly Development.

Most have no idea who Tesla was and cannot imagine how much he accomplished.

He was an introvert/ loner who never married and never fell into the usual trappings of normalcy most do like a social life, material possessions, sex, drugs and alcohol. Tesla was very disciplined and dedicated every waking moment to reading, theory or experiments. So it's perfectly normal that most weekend warriors have literally no comprehension how Tesla could do what he did.

For example not long ago I wondered how many hours I have dedicated to understanding energy and energy technologies over the years. How many hours reading, thinking, theorizing and doing experiments at the bench?. Even I was surprised because it worked out to something like 25 to 30 thousand hours or 1250 eight hours days.

To put that into perspective, if we thought/theorized/experimented about energy 4 hours per day that's only 1460 hours per year or 14,600 hours per decade. T.H.Moray supposedly spent 30 years perfecting one FE device which eventually produced 20kW. As such it takes a great deal of time and effort to gain the knowledge and understanding to succeed in this field of technology.

So in effect what most cannot understand is not only the technology but the absolute dedication and work required to understand and build the technology. For most there simply isn't enough hours in the day and they have other priorities... it is what it is.

Regards
AC

Tesla revealed to some of his very close associates that he received "flashes" of knowledge and pictorials of devices while asleep as if in a dream.

He also enjoyed an occasional Scotch Whiskey which he referred to as a "nectar."

Unfortunately, Tesla was grossly taken advantage of by those with Big Money who proclaimed themselves as his supporters.

QuoteUnfortunately, Tesla was grossly taken advantage of by those with Big Money who proclaimed themselves as his supporters.

That is the common consensus however one cannot deny the obvious facts...

Where are all the people who were bound and determined to steal Tesla's work and marginalize him?... there all dead and forgotten.

As Tesla said...

Quote"Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine"

A search for "Tesla" brings up 4,120,000,000 results, "J P Morgan" a pathetic 210,000,000 and "Westinghouse" 39,300,000.
That's 4.1 billion results for Tesla versus 0.21 billion for Morgan and 0.039 billion for Westinghouse.

Apparently Tesla was correct and no matter how many people try to keep a good man down the truth will eventually prevail. I mean look at the numbers, nobody cares about yet another business person trying to manipulate others for profit. They care about real people who can do real things which helps other people and in this respect Tesla nailed it.

Regards
AC

OK, offtopic discussions banned
but you guys still continue posting all king of junk pretending that it related to Tesla

Stop fu##### people brains and make something useful!

>:-)

QuoteOK, offtopic discussions banned
but you guys still continue posting all king of junk pretending that it related to Tesla

I would think it is very much on topic because were attempting to establish the history and mindset required to succeed in Free Energy...

1) Tesla claimed experiments were a waste of time unless we first established a working theory which has some credibility. This is "The science of free energy", theory, a credible hypothesis then experiments to prove the hypothesis. I get really tired of people wasting our time with pointless and redundant circuits/experiments then feigning incredulity that we won't repeat what everyone else failed at a thousand times over. Where has it gotten you?... nowhere.

2) It establishes the fact that these Free Energy researchers/inventors are not cranks and many were engineers and scientists completely dedicated to the science and knowledge of Free Energy. Basically all of them had one common theme... you wasting your time trying to build something you cannot or will not try to understand.

This ain't our first rodeo Vasik041 and we have seen countless people just like you come and go over the years. So how about you cool down and try to tell us something we don't know... for a change, lol. We have all seen this copy and paste others circuits and spam us with links fiasco and it never amounts to anything. Think about that, we have seen hundreds of people roll through here doing exactly what your doing and not once did it amount to anything...the facts don't lie.

There is also the fact that I had built a few similar devices to the ones your peddling which actually worked and can tell you as a fact your not even remotely close. What did you think was going to happen?, you would hit some magic frequency/wire length and wala it would just start spewing out energy?, lol. No offense but this nonsense is repetitious and embarrassing so I'm really not sure what your intent is.

The fact remains that if there is no credible working theory then Free Energy will never go mainstream. It will always be more hacks throwing stuff together hoping something works which never seems to pan out and little more. Tesla said as much and he believed in real science... nail the working theory first and the rest should come naturally.

Regards
AC

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2021.07.30, 00:53:13
I would think it is very much on topic because were attempting to establish the history and mindset required to succeed in Free Energy...

1) Tesla claimed experiments were a waste of time unless we first established a working theory which has some credibility. This is "The science of free energy", theory, a credible hypothesis then experiments to prove the hypothesis. I get really tired of people wasting our time with pointless and redundant circuits/experiments then feigning incredulity that we won't repeat what everyone else failed at a thousand times over. Where has it gotten you?... nowhere.

2) It establishes the fact that these Free Energy researchers/inventors are not cranks and many were engineers and scientists completely dedicated to the science and knowledge of Free Energy. Basically all of them had one common theme... you wasting your time trying to build something you cannot or will not try to understand.

This ain't our first rodeo Vasik041 and we have seen countless people just like you come and go over the years. So how about you cool down and try to tell us something we don't know... for a change, lol. We have all seen this copy and paste others circuits and spam us with links fiasco and it never amounts to anything. Think about that, we have seen hundreds of people roll through here doing exactly what your doing and not once did it amount to anything...the facts don't lie.

There is also the fact that I had built a few similar devices to the ones your peddling which actually worked and can tell you as a fact your not even remotely close. What did you think was going to happen?, you would hit some magic frequency/wire length and wala it would just start spewing out energy?, lol. No offense but this nonsense is repetitious and embarrassing so I'm really not sure what your intent is.

The fact remains that if there is no credible working theory then Free Energy will never go mainstream. It will always be more hacks throwing stuff together hoping something works which never seems to pan out and little more. Tesla said as much and he believed in real science... nail the working theory first and the rest should come naturally.

Regards
AC

You behave like a typical troll AC.
Started with demagogy and ended up saying that I am an idiot.
Keep up good work, you demotivated so many people.

:P

PS I still hope that moderator will cleanup this mess

   
   AC:
   Time is one thing that we have to waste, or spend if you really want to get anywhere with FE, you must experiment. 
Not just sit there and complain about your wasted time. Or blame someone else for the time that you've wasted.

   The theory and working idea has already been mentioned many many many times. Where were you, while spending years and getting no where...  Did you miss the boat? Vasik even made translations for us, explaining how these types of devices are supposed to work.
  Do you have a working proven theory yet, or need a few more years? To see if it works...
  I don't want to be rude, but you are being rude, first. And undermining our best efforts.
   
  It's only wasted time, if you think it is.  I'm not wasting my time. You seam to consider research as also wasted time?  Is experimenting, wasted time, also?  Or do you just like projects that are easy, proven, and don't take any TIME to build. Well, there aren't any,  as yet.
   
   I have spent years at FE ideas, it not as easy as you think. Nor can I believe you when you say that you've built anything like what Vasik is "peddling". How rude, sir.
  No one is selling anything to anyone, here.

   If you don't want to be bothered, it's up to you, no one is forcing anyone to read any posts or listen to any of these discussions on the forum.
You have free will in the USA, and in Canada.  At least we used to have free will, but not any more. FE inventions and patents are still being kept secret, and they are doing a great job at that, still.

   AC, perhaps, you can show us all how FE and self running is easily done, without wasting our time, and show all us how smart and up to speed, you are at it. But, This is not a pissing contest. And we are doing what we can.  You can help, or just criticize.

  Or would you rather like to see more nuclear plants, over the several hundreds of them now working and spewing poison, so those companies can make money. While those same company scientists are telling us that FE does not exist. And teaching that to our kids in school.

  Remember, not one person here KNOWS what it takes to have FE... including you, AC. And that is why we are here, to find out.
Not to waste your time, OK?
   My feelings are that this type of tech, can't just be given to idiots which can use it to destroy this planet, worse than it already is.
  Remember how Tesla could bring down a building, a bridge. And that was a long time ago. And also bring down planes, UFOs, etc...
   I hope that this post is not off topic. Sorry for those that think that it is. If so, feel free to remove it.

   NickZ

The title of this thread:  The science of free energy

The key word being "Science" and all that it entails.

The Scientific Method (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method) is the procedure historically utilized to arrive at Scientific Conclusions.

Quote from: Wikipedia
The scientific method is an empirical method of acquiring knowledge that has characterized the development of science since at least the 17th century.

It involves careful observation, applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed, given that cognitive assumptions can distort how one interprets the observation.

It involves formulating hypotheses, via induction, based on such observations; experimental and measurement-based testing of deductions drawn from the hypotheses;

and refinement (or elimination) of the hypotheses based on the experimental findings.

The Scientific Method necessarily requires Discussion, Rigorous Skepticism and Criticism in order to effectively sort the Facts from Fiction.

The Quest for Free Energy is, unfortunately, replete with numerous deceptions, falsehoods and paths of inquiry which lead nowhere.

Not all who are involved in the Quest are Honest, Ethical and Truthful participants.

An Open Mind and the Ability to Think Critically assist in the process of discovery and proof of function.

We should welcome Skepticism and Criticism as we pursue the various means of acquiring what is hoped to be Free Energy.

While the experimental search for Free Energy has borne little fruit, the time spent searching can produce a beneficial result.

We learn through failure and making mistakes probably more than by experiencing success..

If we are willing to admit to error.

AC is correct in pointing out that a Working Hypothesis, or Theory, is almost never developed or advanced.

Quote from: Vasik041
You behave like a typical troll AC.
Started with demagogy and ended up saying that I am an idiot.
Keep up good work, you demotivated so many people.

:P

PS I still hope that moderator will cleanup this mess

Over-reaction?

What is the "mess" which you believe is in need of "cleanup?"

Quote from: Vasik041 as initiating complaint
OK, offtopic discussions banned
but you guys still continue posting all king of junk pretending that it related to Tesla

Stop fu##### people brains and make something useful!

>:-)

What is the point you are really attempting to make?

Quote from: muDped on 2021.07.31, 00:07:34
The title of this thread:  The science of free energy

The key word being "Science" and all that it entails.

The Scientific Method (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method) is the procedure historically utilized to arrive at Scientific Conclusions.

The Scientific Method necessarily requires Discussion, Rigorous Skepticism and Criticism in order to effectively sort the Facts from Fiction.

The Quest for Free Energy is, unfortunately, replete with numerous deceptions, falsehoods and paths of inquiry which lead nowhere.

Not all who are involved in the Quest are Honest, Ethical and Truthful participants.

An Open Mind and the Ability to Think Critically assist in the process of discovery and proof of function.

We should welcome Skepticism and Criticism as we pursue the various means of acquiring what is hoped to be Free Energy.

While the experimental search for Free Energy has borne little fruit, the time spent searching can produce a beneficial result.

We learn through failure and making mistakes probably more than by experiencing success..

If we are willing to admit to error.

AC is correct in pointing out that a Working Hypothesis, or Theory, is almost never developed or advanced.

Over-reaction?

What is the "mess" which you believe is in need of "cleanup?"

   muDped:  I believe the "mess",  is caused by the lack of respect. It has happened to you, and you are now an old pro at dealing with it.
But, not everyone has your abilities and training... Yet, I always respect what you have to say.  Even when you're wrong.
Ok, just kidding... as the air is getting kind on thick, here, in the name of "Science".

   NickZ

NickZ,

We are all Human with our weaknesses and frailties.

As the old childhood saying goes:

Sticks and stones may break my bones

but

words will never hurt me.

I believe that there is something good within each and every one of us.

In spite of our emotions often getting in the way.

   Agreed, of course. Everyone is one, we just don't remember, so we fight with each other. Perhaps it's not even our fault.

    NickZ

Quote from: NickZ
I believe the "mess",  is caused by the lack of respect.

Agreed.

Quote from: muDped on 2021.07.31, 00:07:34
What is the point you are really attempting to make?

I explain for those who don't understand how disinformation and subversion techniques work.

You make a topic and call it "Science of Free Energy" and then fill it with all kind of junk.

Any unsuspecting person reading this topic will come to conclusion that FE is a bullshit or in other words

QuotePseudoscience
Free energy device, a hypothetical perpetual motion device that is supposedly capable of drawing energy from a hidden free energy field, which is unknown in science

So, my point is STOP doing this  >:-)

Quote from: Vasik041 on 2021.07.31, 09:24:29
I explain for those who don't understand how disinformation and subversion techniques work.

You make a topic and call it "Science of Free Energy" and then fill it with all kind of junk.

Any unsuspecting person reading this topic will come to conclusion that FE is a bullshit or in other words

So, my point is STOP doing this  >:-)

You may have noticed, especially in the "Loony Tunes" threads, that mudped kept pushing Russia, Russia Today etc etc.

Russia's economy is locked into hydrocarbons, which FE would be happy to see consigned to the dustbin of history.

Quote from: Paul-R on 2021.07.31, 10:34:28
You may have noticed, especially in the "Loony Tunes" threads, that mudped kept pushing Russia, Russia Today etc etc.

Russia's economy is locked into hydrocarbons, which FE would be happy to see consigned to the dustbin of history.

Yes, BTW Russia officially consider all energy saving and green technologies as a threat to economy  :(

Quote from: Vasik041
I explain for those who don't understand how disinformation and subversion techniques work.

You make a topic and call it "Science of Free Energy" and then fill it with all kind of junk.

Any unsuspecting person reading this topic will come to conclusion that FE is a bullshit or in other words

The Free Energy situation is far worse than that by quite a lot.

Follow any of the various topics at any of the Free Energy Forums and tell me what you find.

Do you find any Free Energy?

There is much talk and abundant Hopium but has anyone, anywhere, yet found the Elusive Secrets?

Based upon that Reality what conclusion is one to arrive at?

But, there are indeed Agencies and Programs which have access to the kinds of Energies which you seek which are capable of making the "impossible" possible.

There are segments of Science hidden from Public View which do routinely access such Esoteric Free Energy to sustain their secret programs.

Disclosure is not far off;  perhaps only a few more years.

Then you shall see what some few of us have already seen.

By the way, the circuitry you are presently engaged with is not the answer.

It is not there.

AC was quite correct in his assessment.

The Star Trek series is not entirely Fiction.

The Replicators, the Medical Healing Devices, the Teleporting, the Artificial Gravity:  these things and more really do exist.

Quote from: muDped on 2021.07.31, 12:12:13
The Free Energy situation is far worse than that by quite a lot.
Follow any of the various topics at any of the Free Energy Forums and tell me what you find.
Do you find any Free Energy?
There is much talk and abundant Hopium but has anyone, anywhere, yet found the Elusive Secrets?
Based upon that Reality what conclusion is one to arrive at?
But, there are indeed Agencies and Programs which have access to the kinds of Energies which you seek which are capable of making the "impossible" possible.
There are segments of Science hidden from Public View which do routinely access such Esoteric Free Energy to sustain their secret programs.
Disclosure is not far off;  perhaps only a few more years.
Then you shall see what some few of us have already seen.
By the way, the circuitry you are presently engaged with is not the answer.
It is not there.
AC was quite correct in his assessment.

For those who interested how trolls work notice again same pattern in the answer: demagogy and again suggestion that I am an idiot.
Are you from the same agency with AC ? :P

Vasik041

QuoteYou behave like a typical troll AC.
Started with demagogy and ended up saying that I am an idiot.
Keep up good work, you demotivated so many people.

That's not what I said and my point was that for years we have seen countless people posting circuit diagrams and miscellaneous links which never amounted to anything. It's simply an observation most here know all too well.

That being said, I attempted to introduce some of Tesla's insights why this is true. As Tesla implied, we cannot build something we cannot understand and the science/theory must always come first. This is not so much my personal opinion but that of almost every successful FE inventor and the entire scientific community. So if anyone thinks constantly building things with no working theory is normal there mistaken.

On the notion of being demotivating, when many others told me I was wasting my time endlessly building stuff I don't understand and I would never succeed this way I was not demotivated. I accepted there criticism to have some merit because at the time I still had no clue how any of this actually worked after years of research. It was others often harsh criticism that led to my realization that until I nailed down the "working theory" of Free Energy I wasn't going anywhere.

There was this guy called "Milehigh" at OU.com a long time ago and one would think he was trolling me because he was always shutting me down, lol. We were always at each others throats but in retrospect I now see his criticism was warranted. I was a building fool who had no idea what I was doing and it was Milehigh and others criticism which allowed me choose another path.

In any case I will make an effort to tone down my posts in the future and be a little less sarcastic.

Regards
AC

Quote from: Vasik041 as a question
For those who interested how trolls work notice again same pattern in the answer: demagogy and again suggestion that I am an idiot.

Are you from the same agency with AC ? :P

No Vasik, nobody is accusing you of being an "Idiot."

Far from it.

You, just like virtually everyone else in the Free Energy Community, are striving to comprehend something which is real but which is incomprehensibly mysterious.

Convinced that Free Energy is somehow attainable but not at all certain where one must look to find it.

Perhaps even afraid to look where it may be found but unwilling to go there for fear of being thought of being a "Kook" or an "Idiot."

Essentially a Neophyte.

The Esoteric Free Energy which you seek has been very skillfully concealed by those who have acquired access to it.

Technologies via Contract and Diplomatic Treaty with what are referred to as EBEs in the World of Black Projects.

Beings who are far more advanced Technologically than Earthbound Humans.

Disclosure is coming soon.

Then all who are curious shall know how and why.

We are not alone in the Universe.

Quote from: AC
There was this guy called "Milehigh" at OU.com a long time ago and one would think he was trolling me because...

When we are on the receiving end of Scientific Method Skepticism it does indeed seem like we are being "trolled."

I appreciated Milehigh's efforts to make matters clear and to complement comprehension.

I wonder, is he still around anywhere?

Quote from: muDped on 2021.07.31, 22:23:25

I wonder, is he still around anywhere?

Yes he is here but under a different but real banner!!!!!

Regards

Mike 8)

mudped

QuoteWhen we are on the receiving end of Scientific Method Skepticism it does indeed seem like we are being "trolled."
I appreciated Milehigh's efforts to make matters clear and to complement comprehension.

Troll wasn't the right word and I would call it sarcastic criticism because the intent was to add to the conversation not take away. In retrospect he was right and I was wrong, without a credible theory based on real demonstrable science FE is just wishful thinking.

With respect to the science of FE, it was others criticism of my flawed approach which led me down a different path.

Within most all of these devices is a latent process which allows the "total energy" present in the system to be accessed and extracted. That is, when we charge an induction coil like a Ruhmkorff coil setup and then discharge it this only represents one half the energy present in the system. In fact a Ruhmkorff coil setup is the easiest way to see the effects in question because the interrupter can easily handle the ten to thirty kV impulses required.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_coil

Here is another interesting fact, whenever we google "induction coil" more often than not we are shown a Ruhmkorff coil which few have ever even heard of. Almost all the FE devices from the late 1800's to 1930 mentioned or were based on this setup not a Tesla coil. For example, the Mcfarland Cook device, https://richlandcountyhistory.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/cook-coils-patent-1871.pdf, used two interconnected Ruhmkorff coils. He doesn't show the interrupters however we can deduce where they were placed and how they operated from Cook's description of how the circuit was interrupted. Note, Cook describes the "alternate" changes of the iron cores magnetic action... thus they should obviously alternate.

Bada boom bada bing... I just solved exactly how the Cook Coil was setup for you all.

Regards
AC

A couple of very interesting documents which help to shed some light on Matter and Energy.

Document 1 (https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf)

Document 2 (http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Itzhak%20Bentov%20-%20Stalking%20The%20Wild%20Pendulum%20-%20On%20the%20Mechanics%20of%20Consciousness.pdf)

I was thinking about Free Energy again today but also the psychology relating to it...

Our pattern of thinking is like wearing a pair of glasses that makes us see the world in a specific way. However as we become more aware of our thought patterns through critical thinking we can begin to change our world view.

It is said that our thought patterns create our reality which determines how we behave. Which is where things tend to get a little strange and one could say there is no one true reality because it is always subjective and often shared.

It rings true in my mind because it was only after I changed my thinking and perception of things that I had any success in FE. It begs the question...can we create a real alternative reality?.

If we changed our thought patterns which changed our behavior which changed how and why we do things which changed any given outcome then I think yes.

I would think that every successful FE inventors though patterns and reality was very different than most people.

Regards
AC

If successfull inventors of FE existed, we would not be here looking for it, we would be here comparing the COPs of our experiments, all greater than 1, of course.

Free energy does not exist. It is a utopia. Some utopias can become reality. Even if pure free energy will probably never exist because there is always something that will not be free, we can however hope for a way to get really cheap and unexhaustible energy.
When this is the case, then we will need science to explain it. Science is made to explain our observations.
If we have nothing to observe, we don't need science.
If we have nothing new to observe, we don't need new science, except possibly for better explanations (e.g. a unifying theory).
If we observe something new that cannot be explained by known science, then we need a new science.

If we can certainly imagine alternative theories that would predict free energy as long as they explain also the classical observations as well as the academic theories do, these theories are research, not science. Science is not research, science is knowledge. An alternative theory will only be science when it is able to make qualitative and quantitative predictions verified by observations and well quantified measurements.

The conclusion is that today the science of free energy does not exist because free energy is not observed, or only in the heads of dreamers, not in the experiments of engineers.
Those who claim to have a science of free energy are unable to produce any machine diagram that engineers could reproduce. They are charlatans.

I was intrigued many years ago when I learned about ice houses in the gardens of stately homes inhabited by the rich (here in the UK).  These were originally used for storing ice gathered during winter so that it could be used later in the summer.  Clearly the time constant for the loss of heat was very long (months) because the ground is a poor conductor of heat.  Then I heard about the natural gas storage tanks on Canvey island in the Thames estuary where there is permafrost surrounding the underground storage tanks.  These rely on the poor heat conductivity of ground, and frozen ground, to insulate the tanks.  Then later in life when I had a smallholding (small farm) with a large greenhouse I had the problem of heating it in winter and cooling it in summer.  So why don't we have underground storage of summer heat to be used in winter?  Why don't we have greenhouses built over underground water reservoirs, pump the Summer sun's heat into the water using solar panels (not electric ones but water cooled panels) on the greenhouse roof?  It strikes me that is a low tech solution to the problem that could be used in industrial sized greenhouses to grow food.

Smudge

Back in the 80's I designed and patented a heat exchanger which was used to interchange heat and cold, and is still used today Worldwide.

In one design I made, it is used in both heating and air conditioning for housing, especially new housing.

Large tanks were installed underground which were filled with glycol (CAR GRADE ANTIFREEZE). During the summer months, a heat pump was used to heat the glycol, and in doing so the house was cooled. During the winter months the heat stored was used via the heat pump in reverse to heat the house.

The important part to the whole operation to make it work was my heat exchanger which is highly efficient in transferring low-grade heat 97.8% between 20ºc and 65ºc at a maximum flow rate of 20ltrs/min.

IMI at the time wanted my patent, lots of dirty tricks, but they did not get it, like a lot of powerful companies at the time, they did not want to pay for it.

Regards

Mike 8)

Quote from: Smudge
It strikes me that is a low tech solution to the problem that could be used in industrial sized greenhouses to grow food.

How true that is!

There are numerous "Low Tech" solutions to many of our "problems" which have not been widely implemented.

Perhaps one day in the future we'll have the Freedom to expand our use of Low Tech Solutions.

Quote from: F6
If successfull inventors of FE existed, we would not be here looking for it, we would be here comparing the COPs of our experiments, all greater than 1, of course.

Free energy does not exist. It is a utopia. Some utopias can become reality. Even if pure free energy will probably never exist because there is always something that will not be free, we can however hope for a way to get really cheap and unexhaustible energy.
When this is the case, then we will need science to explain it. Science is made to explain our observations.
If we have nothing to observe, we don't need science.
If we have nothing new to observe, we don't need new science, except possibly for better explanations (e.g. a unifying theory).
If we observe something new that cannot be explained by known science, then we need a new science.

If we can certainly imagine alternative theories that would predict free energy as long as they explain also the classical observations as well as the academic theories do, these theories are research, not science. Science is not research, science is knowledge. An alternative theory will only be science when it is able to make qualitative and quantitative predictions verified by observations and well quantified measurements.

The conclusion is that today the science of free energy does not exist because free energy is not observed, or only in the heads of dreamers, not in the experiments of engineers.
Those who claim to have a science of free energy are unable to produce any machine diagram that engineers could reproduce. They are charlatans.

I agree with much of what you have said.

In our Physical Reality we have little evidence of Free Energy and what evidence does exist has been grossly mismanaged.

With the coming Full Disclosure we shall better comprehend why.

Free Energy does indeed exist but our "Science" is managed in such a way that it will not be made manifest for the masses.

In a "word" or two:  Black Projects and Love of Money.

F6FLT

QuoteIf successfull inventors of FE existed, we would not be here looking for it, we would be here comparing the COPs of our experiments, all greater than 1, of course.

Free energy does not exist. It is a utopia. Some utopias can become reality. Even if pure free energy will probably never exist because there is always something that will not be free, we can however hope for a way to get really cheap and unexhaustible energy.
When this is the case, then we will need science to explain it. Science is made to explain our observations.
If we have nothing to observe, we don't need science.
If we have nothing new to observe, we don't need new science, except possibly for better explanations (e.g. a unifying theory).
If we observe something new that cannot be explained by known science, then we need a new science.

You make some reasonable points and many would see it as being objective but I disagree and it is still subjective not giving much latitude to alternative views.

For example, in the past most scientists said man can never fly because nothing heavier than air could fly. The science was sound and by your own reasoning and theirs we could presume it was true that nothing heavier than air can fly... but it wasn't true. Understand, these people were using exactly the same kind of reasoning you are and they got it completely wrong. Even more embarrassing was the fact that all of them saw birds flying around every day and birds can be weighed and proven to be heavier than air. So how is it so many credible, intelligent people using the scientific method got something so simple so wrong?.

Free Energy follows a similar pattern and most all credible scientists/physicists agree "the universe is energy". They agree all matter is in motion which is energy and all space is full of EM waves/dark energy/dark matter/high energy particles etc. We already know energy is everywhere in everything and the only disagreement is whether we have the intelligence and technology to convert it into a usable form.

So let's be absolutely clear no credible person nor any science claims accessing the Energy proven to be all around us is impossible. The only credible claim made by the scientific community is that we (not me of course) do not have the intelligence or understanding how to interact with it yet. Just as in the past when billions of supposedly intelligent people couldn't understand how something heavier than air could fly while being surrounded by birds...

Here's an interesting concept, if we have the same pattern of thinking, values and worldview as we did 10 years ago then we have not evolved. Were the same person as in the past and were not going anywhere other than where we have already been...

Regards
AC

@Allcanadian

The story of Lord Kelvin denying the heavier than air is typically a misinterpretation of what he meant. Do you think Lord Kelvin is stupid enough not to have understood that birds are heavier than air and yet they fly?
Lord Kelvin had calculated that because of the insufficient power of the best engines of the time, compared to their weight, heavier than air was impossible, which was true at that time. He spoke in the present, not in the future. Later engines with a better power to weight ratio appeared, and heavier than air machines were produced.
Taken out of context, this story has become a leitmotif that we see repeated everywhere when it comes to criticizing great minds. Of course, great minds can sometimes say stupid things, but when they talk about science, their words are refutable, and it is the fact that they cannot be refuted that makes what they say to us science.

I think it is a mistake to underestimate academic science, which has proven its worth, and its researchers, many of whom are also "finders". They have been considerably innovative since the 19th century. It is thanks to them that all the conventional energy we use today is produced.

Free energy researchers constantly refer to academic science. When they talk about electric or magnetic fields, electrons, neutrinos, waves... they plagiarize scientists. It is the scientists who introduced and defined these notions. If the free energy researchers claim that these objects are not what the physicists say they are, it is up to them to find the new objects, to define them, and to show the world their alternative technology based on their alternative science.
For the moment, their failure is total, there is no finders among the FE researchers, so modesty should be the order of the day.

When you say "The only credible claim made by the scientific community is that we (not me of course) do not have the intelligence or understanding how to interact with it yet", first of all the scientific community has never said that in this form (references ?) since it continues the research in the field of energy, and if it wants to say that it does not know how to extract the energy that exists everywhere, it is right to recognize its current limits, and it is up to those who think they have this intelligence or understanding to prove that they can do it.

There is only one science because it is a knowledge, not a religion. And we can contribute to it. But you have to prove yourself. It is not by criticizing conventional scientists, who are often much more curious minds than free energy researchers, that one proves the validity of one's way of thinking and that one manages to produce something useful.

My message to FE researchers criticizing conventional science: you think FE is possible? Do it or shut up!  ;)

Quote from: F6
My message to FE researchers criticizing conventional science: you think FE is possible? Do it or shut up!  ;)

Conventional Science has the capability to discover Free Energy but is prevented from doing so by the Religion of Academic Institutional Science. :o

Science has been Politicized and resorts to Dogma to limit Freedom. ???

The System of Grants and Authorization of Funding has been utilized to stymie Freedom of Research. :(

So long as Science is controlled by Malevolence and Higher Need it shall be steered away from the discovery of Free Energy. :-[

All contemporary evidence of Free Energy is dismissed as Fantasy or Magic. C.C

Science as a Religion forbids looking in the right places. :(

Quote from: muDped on 2021.08.13, 21:24:27
Conventional Science has the capability to discover Free Energy but is prevented from doing so by the Religion of Academic Institutional Science. :o
...

Certainly not. This idea is only a dogma repeated by the free energy sect.
Free energy has indeed two aspects: real experimenters capable of making unexpected set-ups but serious measurements, this site is dedicated to them I think, here we are in science, and gurus raging against competent scientists and against science, with delirious alternative theories that they are unable to prove experimentally. These parade around the former, seeking followers to flatter their egos.

For me, there is a 99.999% chance that "free energy" (or at least very cheap energy), will be discovered by conventional researchers or engineers. But I'll take my 0.001% chance  :)

F6,

I fully comprehend your point of view.

So long as "Science" persists in its belief that Free Energy is accessible from within our Physical Reality by some yet unknown electro-mechanical means it shall never succeed.

Which is why the Black Projects are concealed from public view at very great expense.

The true Source of Free Energy is known by the very few to whom it has been revealed.

We are not alone.  Our Physical Reality "Dimension" is one of many.

Trans-Dimensional Energy Flow.

In the meanwhile, the Energy provided us by our Sun is indeed Free and quite easily put to work.

Something strange happened.

Double post for some reason.

Hmmmmm.

F6FLT

QuoteFree energy has indeed two aspects: real experimenters capable of making unexpected set-ups but serious measurements, this site is dedicated to them I think, here we are in science, and gurus raging against competent scientists and against science, with delirious alternative theories that they are unable to prove experimentally. These parade around the former, seeking followers to flatter their egos.

I agree for the most part...

However, the facts have shown that both governments and corporations generally prefer to discredit inventors and science versus other means. There are literally hundreds of thousands of emails on record claiming as much. It is basically standard operating procedure in business to deny and distract. No offense to anyone but at one point I thought most of these forums were a front. I mean, how is it that so many seemingly intelligent people could make so little progress?.

I now attribute the lack of progress to 1)a lack of quality research, 2)little focus and direction and 3)a lack of a coherent methodology actually moving in the right direction to find answers ie. science.

The most common mistake most make is kind of mind numbing from my perspective. For example, the inventor builds what looks like a transformer but claims it's not a transformer. Then everyone tries to build a transformer using common knowledge and doing what everyone else has done a million times over and fails. This is not science or invention other than repeating what we know cannot work and proving as much. One could ask why everyone feels compelled to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result, lol.

There lies the problem and if all you know and build is a transformer then what did you think was going to happen?. Which begs the question I asked years ago, when is a transformer not a transformer?, when is it's action unlike a transformer?, how could I build what looks like a transformer but cannot act like one?. So I did what Viktor Schauberger suggested and did the exact opposite of what everyone here would probably do. Think about that... whatever you would do and think, I didn't do that, I did the exact opposite of whatever you would do.

As such this technology is as much about psychology as science. For example, go to the bench, grab two coils of wire then try to transfer the energy from one coil to the other without using mutual induction. Unfortunately 99% of people have literally no place to start because all they know is what they have been taught. For them it is impossible, not because it cannot be done, but because they have no idea how it could be done. Thus the importance of psychology and critical thinking because we are very predictable and habitual. Think about that, if I gave anyone here two coils of wire I know exactly what there going to do in every respect before they do it because there predictable.

Probably the hardest thing a person will ever do is try to break a habit, like smoking for example. When we do or think something so often we stop thinking about it or questioning it and it becomes habitual. Science and technology are similar and one could ask how a new idea or discovery actually comes about?. We know it's not repetition doing what everyone else did, so how did the new idea come to be?. It's actually not that hard and all we have to do is think of something new or unique, lol. There lies the problem, because in reality it's a loaded question.

Tell me something new you don't know or have not experienced ... *blank stare into space*

Regards
AC

 

On the science of free energy.

Here is another interesting observation...

When a person claims we cannot extract Energy from a universe obviously filled with energy what there really saying is they don't understand how it could be done.

In fact it's a fairly common argument which rarely holds water. This is true because the proposition relies on a lack of knowledge on a given subject not expertise or experience. It also falsely presumes all others knowledge can be no greater than there own despite the fact others are always making new discoveries they never thought of. Not unlike the computer fiasco... who needs more than 64K?, computers are of little use, they will never be that intelligent. Yet here we are with computers embedded in almost everything, vast automation and AI. So again, how is it so many intelligent people could get something so terribly wrong?.

Well that's different they might say however it's not different, it's exactly the same and has little to do with science more so innovation and evolution. It's always the same argument claiming we can do no better and history has proven there generally always wrong. We should also consider time, a few generations ago the U.S. and Canada were not even a country and most were living in the stone ages. So where will we be a few generations from now?, we sure as hell won't be burning stuff for energy I can tell you that much.

It's the same old story of some people with no imagination saying nothing can ever change despite the obvious fact it always does. So while it may not look good in the near future the old saying, necessity is the mother of invention, still holds true.

To F6FLT...
I don't expect you to understand however you will soon enough when you can buy a FE generator off the shelf from your nearest Wallmart. Hell, it will probably be on sale like everything else. Then you can try to explain to all the shoppers how impossible it is before being escorted out by security, lol.

Regards
AC

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2021.08.14, 23:40:06
To F6FLT...
I don't expect you to understand however you will soon enough when you can buy a FE generator off the shelf from your nearest Wallmart. Hell, it will probably be on sale like everything else. Then you can try to explain to all the shoppers how impossible it is before being escorted out by security, lol.

Regards
AC

"I don't expect you to understand," you say, and you'd be wrong because I fully expect to find an FE generator on the shelf at the nearest Wallmart at some point, including on sale. And if it's not me, it will be my children or grandchildren.

What I don't expect is to find one created by these hucksters or nuts who talk about free energy without understanding anything about engineering or physical science and who denigrate the real scientists above whom these idiots believe themselves to be with their self-proclaimed "open mind". They certainly represent over 90% of the FE movement.

I have been hearing them talk about FE since the 90s. They have not shown us anything concrete for 30 years. While conventional technology has evolved considerably, absolutely nothing has come out of the FE field, no progress has been made. The old stories of Witts, Joe Cell, Johnson motor, MEG, Bruce De Palma, Joule Thief etc etc are still being trotted out like children's fairy tales, when nothing has come of it and there is nothing to capitalize on. There is no science of free energy. The FE movement is mostly backward looking and navel gazing, like a religion.

I wish the real FE experimenters would realize this and kick the useless and incompetent FE preachers and fundamentalists out of their camp.

F6FLT

QuoteI have been hearing them talk about FE since the 90s. They have not shown us anything concrete for 30 years. While conventional technology has evolved considerably, absolutely nothing has come out of the FE field, no progress has been made. The old stories of Witts, Joe Cell, Johnson motor, MEG, Bruce De Palma, Joule Thief etc etc are still being trotted out like children's fairy tales, when nothing has come of it and there is nothing to capitalize on. There is no science of free energy. The FE movement is mostly backward looking and navel gazing, like a religion.

I wish the real FE experimenters would realize this and kick the useless and incompetent FE preachers and fundamentalists out of their camp.

I understand your perspective and if I were in your shoes I might think the same thing.

However I am not you and I have seen and tested working FE devices. Myself and another person also saw a UFO levitating at low altitude nearby which then took off into outer space in around 1.5 seconds. I know these things as a fact, I was literally there and saw them for myself.

Your not one of those people who is going to try and convince me that I didn't actually see or experience these events first hand are you?. Try to convince me that I imagined them for no other reason than you have an opinion or cannot believe it's possible.

For example, now the U.S. government disclosed video and radar verification that in fact UFO's as we know them do exist. Are the U.S. government and military also misguided quacks who don't understand?. How far are you willing to go?, maybe you could go to the Pentagon or Washington and straighten those quacks out, I imagine that would go over well. It's also kind of comical how all those UFO critics are strangely silent now that the government has come out and proven them as real... that has to sting a bit, lol?.

So let's be perfectly clear, there are countless people more credible and qualified than you in government/military and corporations who disagree with your opinion.

Regards
AC

When you are seeking something that seemingly either does not exist within our Physical Reality with its Laws, or perhaps even cannot exist here, where must one look?

Is that where the Scientists at CERN are looking?

Seeking a Source which is outside our Physical Reality?

A Portal to another dimension?

Quote from: AC
So let's be perfectly clear, there are countless people more credible and qualified than you in government/military and corporations who disagree with your opinion.

True.

The Technologies which they study and replicate are hidden from view under the cloak of National Security.

But we do occasionally catch sight of the "Objects" which are evidence of their work.

Quote from: muDped on 2021.08.16, 17:14:36
When you are seeking something that seemingly either does not exist within our Physical Reality with its Laws, or perhaps even cannot exist here, where must one look?

Is that where the Scientists at CERN are looking?

Seeking a Source which is outside our Physical Reality?

A Portal to another dimension?

True.

...

Not the right way. The idea of free energy is simply that energy is too expensive. But we do have energy. The technology based on science allows us to have energy, and we guess that one day its price will come down, if only in a few decades with fusion. But we are in a hurry. So we bet to be smarter than the scientists or the engineers, and let's try our tiny chance in this contest of who will get it first.

The alternatives do not exist, only the progress of knowledge will give the key. This one is slow, built on "the shoulders of the giants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants)", with a little more inspiration, at each generation, to go further.

Our species has the ability to transmit its knowledge and discoveries from generation to generation, which most animals cannot, or much less well. This is what allows progress. If no one invented the glider in the Greco-Roman era, when the technology of the time allowed it (it's not a joke, made in balsa and pulled by a horse, it could have taken off), it is because no one can have ideas that are several centuries ahead of their time. It is necessary that the ideas mature in the society, that the knowledge is accumulated, that the education of the young people is made correctly, and then appears a Galileo, a Newton or an Einstein, a little in advance on the rest of their contemporary. But if they had not been there, others would have succeeded a little later, these ideas were in the air.
The small black box that gives its electric MW, it is not for today.

Quote
The Technologies which they study and replicate are hidden from view under the cloak of National Security.

Conspiracy theory. No future.
Imagining miracle technos hidden in the military or in aliens is a distraction.
Either you dream because it is easy and enjoyable, but you will never find anything, or you work and make efforts, and you may have a small chance. Science is austere, it has to be accepted or else indulge in religion, or science fiction which is cool but without practical applications. 

Quote from: F6
Conspiracy theory. No future.

Imagining miracle technos hidden in the military or in aliens is a distraction.

Either you dream because it is easy and enjoyable, but you will never find anything, or you work and make efforts, and you may have a small chance.

Science is austere, it has to be accepted or else indulge in religion, or science fiction which is cool but without practical applications.

But of course!

Because you haven't yet seen it you doubt that it really exists.

Not to worry.  Full Disclosure is coming soon. :)

Quote from: muDped on 2021.08.25, 23:25:51
......Full Disclosure is coming soon. :)

You keep saying that, I await with baited breath yet nothing comes.  How soon is soon?

Smudge

Hi people.  sorry if I'm writing off topic or in the wrong place.  I'm glad to meet you.  I am from Russia and have worked for a long time on a generator that does not stick when receiving a load or short circuit.  not so long ago I successfully completed my next project and I want to share with you.  at the moment I have several versions of generators.  in the video I show the first successful tests.  if you are interested, I will be happy to share it.  I am also willing to send a sample generator to anyone interested in having it.
https://youtu.be/tathVvJtWVo

Arthur

QuoteHi people.  sorry if I'm writing off topic or in the wrong place.  I'm glad to meet you.  I am from Russia and have worked for a long time on a generator that does not stick when receiving a load or short circuit.  not so long ago I successfully completed my next project and I want to share with you.  at the moment I have several versions of generators.  in the video I show the first successful tests.  if you are interested, I will be happy to share it.  I am also willing to send a sample generator to anyone interested in having it.

Good job and it's cool to see another forward thinking FE builder/inventor...

If you are interested in sharing then a circuit diagram and build sketch would be cool. Unfortunately most have little interest in working devices and are more interested in furthering there bank account/world views/opinions.

As a fellow builder/successful FE inventor I only have a few questions...

1)Where did you find the inspiration for your work such as other patents/inventors?.

2)What was your reasoning or theory which led to this device?. Where does the energy come from and how is it transformed?. What is your insight in this respect?.

I think we all understand that these forums are littered with people who have no real interest in Free Energy, more so to distract. However there are some who want to understand and learn. There just far and few between, lol.

That's the thing about a real FE inventor's versus all the want to be and shill's... I don't want you to give me the answers, I want to know your reasoning and how you came to find your answers. Like the old proverb, I don't want anyone to give me a fish more so explain the technique they used to catch one from there perspective.

In this respect we are not like other people and all the baggage they carry, we seek understanding.

Regards
AC

Welcome Arthur

Regards

Mike 8)

Hi Arthur,

Welcome and thanks for showing your interesting setup. 
I am curious whether you have already attempted to feed the input from the output  i.e.  looping, to have a self runner?
In this case a 3-phase AC output should be matched to the single phase AC mains input, via s regulated converter.  Obviously there are several ways to solve this, 
Looking forward to learn about further details on your generator, how you managed to reduce the Lenz effect (counter EMF) ?

Greetings
Gyula

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.08.26, 16:07:41
Hi people.  sorry if I'm writing off topic or in the wrong place.  I'm glad to meet you.  I am from Russia and have worked for a long time on a generator that does not stick when receiving a load or short circuit.  not so long ago I successfully completed my next project and I want to share with you.  at the moment I have several versions of generators.  in the video I show the first successful tests.  if you are interested, I will be happy to share it.  I am also willing to send a sample generator to anyone interested in having it.
https://youtu.be/tathVvJtWVo

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.08.26, 16:07:41
Hi people.  sorry if I'm writing off topic or in the wrong place.  I'm glad to meet you.  I am from Russia and have worked for a long time on a generator that does not stick when receiving a load or short circuit.  not so long ago I successfully completed my next project and I want to share with you.  at the moment I have several versions of generators.  in the video I show the first successful tests.  if you are interested, I will be happy to share it.  I am also willing to send a sample generator to anyone interested in having it.
https://youtu.be/tathVvJtWVo

Welcome to the forum Arthur. Just what we have been waiting for. Yes, please share with us your build details.

Ron

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2021.08.27, 04:07:12
Arthur
Good job and it's cool to see another forward thinking FE builder/inventor...

If you are interested in sharing then a circuit diagram and build sketch would be cool. Unfortunately most have little interest in working devices and are more interested in furthering there bank account/world views/opinions.

As a fellow builder/successful FE inventor I only have a few questions...

1)Where did you find the inspiration for your work such as other patents/inventors?.

2)What was your reasoning or theory which led to this device?. Where does the energy come from and how is it transformed?. What is your insight in this respect?.

I think we all understand that these forums are littered with people who have no real interest in Free Energy, more so to distract. However there are some who want to understand and learn. There just far and few between, lol.

That's the thing about a real FE inventor's versus all the want to be and shill's... I don't want you to give me the answers, I want to know your reasoning and how you came to find your answers. Like the old proverb, I don't want anyone to give me a fish more so explain the technique they used to catch one from there perspective.

In this respect we are not like other people and all the baggage they carry, we seek understanding.

Regards
AC

Hi.  I will tell you gradually.  how I came to this.  I always dreamed of removing the sticking effect under load and for this I did a lot of work and a lot of mistakes.  spent a lot of money and time.  but in the end I realized a few patterns.  Lenz cannot be killed or avoided.  if there is no Lenz, then there is no current.  No current means there is nothing.  but we have several ways to extract current without violating Lenz's rule and without having opposition.  in the video I showed the first method.  I use the moment when the magnet attracts a piece of iron.  this moment can be called free energy, but the second moment we need to smoothly get out of it.  I will show you how to do this a little later.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.08.27, 23:07:30
Lenz cannot be killed or avoided.

If Lenz can be delayed, and be effected when the rotor has moved round a bit to confront different stator magnet polarities, then a problem should become an asset.

Quote from: Paul-R on 2021.08.27, 23:18:30
If Lenz can be delayed, and be effected when the rotor has moved round a bit to confront different stator magnet polarities, then a problem should become an asset.

There can be nothing without Lenz.  We can either compensate for sticking or transform.  Now I can transform, or I would say teleport Lenz to another system and dispose of him there.  that's right to say.  This, too, I can tell you in what way you can do it.  but first I'll show you how you can avoid the Lenz effect by compensating it.

the video shows the first method to remove the Lenz effect.  the generator uses magnets that are offset by a certain degree from each other.  each magnet is attracted to the stator.  The stator is made of iron but has an interesting geometry.  the main secret is the stator geometry.  When I adjusted the distance and calculated the right moment so that there was no sticking, then during the experiment I accidentally discovered that the geometry has Fabonacci proportions.  I was amazed at the similarities and how the work is done.  How stator geometry can have a result.  everyone can check this experiment and be convinced.

I'm trying to figure out how to add a file in a post.  can't attach jpeg photo

Hi Arthur,

After you click on Reply, there is this clickable line: Attachments and other options  under the opening (white) text window. 
And below that line  you can see the word Attach:   and click on the icon just under this word to browse in your PC folders for a picture. 
One picture at a time but you can add further pictures or files to a single post by clicking on the more attachments: line.   You can see the accepted file types too.

Gyula

this is the principle of EMF guidance

we have 3 positions of magnets.  1 is the attraction of the magnet to the stator; 2 is the neutral position of the magnet in the iron; 3 is the smooth exit of the magnet from the stator.

this is a side sectional view.  here you can see coils, axles, magnets.  this shows how the magnetic field is closed across the stator.

it can be compared to a Cromrey generator but only the best due to the lack of brushes.  Fucco currents heat up the iron stator very much, therefore steel plates must be used.  to get a good result, you need to calculate the stator from the Fabonacci number.  the photo can be seen.

maybe the translation will not be correct, but you ask questions so that I can know.  do you understand me

Hello Arthur

Your images and explanation are easy to understand, thank you.

I have some questions, but I will ask after you have presented everything.

Cadman

3 position.

if you set these positions correctly, then the force of attraction is greater than the force of repulsion.  I tried to achieve self-rotation but could not.  maybe more position 4, 5 or more is needed.  But on the other hand, I have a very light stroke and the engine is not under load.  I also connected the output power through an inverter and had a self-rotating device.  this is the principle of a motor-generator.  But due to a low-quality inverter with low efficiency, I could not get more than 300% efficiency.  if you do everything efficiently, you can get no more than 400% efficiency.  Despite the good result, this generator sample is not a commercial model.  I need to spend a lot of money to get 600 watts of free energy.  who needs such a device?  if you design more powerful generators, then this cost will be very high and the power will be in the region of 5 kW.  which is also not a commercial offer.  so I decided to give it to people as a prototype for a working generator.  So that people can understand and believe that free energy exists.  you can get it if you understand the process.

in this design I used N35 magnets (diameter 45mm length 90mm) stainless steel center shaft.  all other components have no magnetic conductivity.  you need to concentrate all the magnetic field in the core.  I'm sure if we increase the speed and make a core from permoloy or an analogue.  Then you can get a lot more energy.  but I have no such possibility.  Therefore, I went the other way and figured out how to teleport Lenz to another core and dispose of it there so that it does not create braking in the generator

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.08.28, 15:09:42
in this design I used N35 magnets (diameter 45mm length 90mm) stainless steel center shaft.  all other components have no magnetic conductivity.  you need to concentrate all the magnetic field in the core.  I'm sure if we increase the speed and make a core from permoloy or an analogue.  Then you can get a lot more energy.  but I have no such possibility.  Therefore, I went the other way and figured out how to teleport Lenz to another core and dispose of it there so that it does not create braking in the generator

Thanks Arthur, good drawings. Just so that I have it clear, there are three rotors, six magnets and six side plates?

Those are huge dangerous magnets, can they be smaller?

The side plates are aligned for the three units, just the rotors are offset by  thirds?

Question for the group... would ball bearing (steel shot) and epoxy work for the side plates?

Ron

Quote from: ronee on 2021.08.28, 15:57:46
Question for the group... would ball bearing (steel shot) and epoxy work for the side plates?
Ron

Ron,
Even though this is a unique design configuration, it is still an alternator. The output depends on the amount of flux through the windings core so anything that changes the flux changes the output.

The steel shot can be used if you construct the stator to conduct the magnet flux without unduly increasing the stator reluctance. Iron powder or soft magnetic composites would be better but also more expensive. What the effect will be is open to experimentation.

Cadman

Hello Arthur and welcome to OUR.

May I suggest asking Peterae for your own " bench " to continue with this interesting discussion?

This gives you the " tools " to control what is being discussed etc.

Cheers Graham.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.08.28, 15:09:42
in this design I used N35 magnets (diameter 45mm length 90mm) stainless steel center shaft.  all other components have no magnetic conductivity.  you need to concentrate all the magnetic field in the core.  I'm sure if we increase the speed and make a core from permoloy or an analogue.  Then you can get a lot more energy.  but I have no such possibility.  Therefore, I went the other way and figured out how to teleport Lenz to another core and dispose of it there so that it does not create braking in the generator

Hi Arthur,

Would like to ask what is the approximate cross section area of the plates under the generator windings? And what is the thickness of the plates?

You mention permalloy material and the like, here is an ebay offer on an ultraperm 80 metal sheet with 0.1 mm thickness. https://www.ebay.com/itm/353615286207 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/353615286207) and
here is another offer with 0.3 mm thickness.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/233934747463 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/233934747463)

They are expensive but do you think that layering such sheets to get say 2 mm thickness will be useful? 
The advantage of using such sheets is that they can be cut relatively easily by scissors to the needed Fibonacci spiral shape.
Thanks for answering my question on looping the output to the input, that is very good you tested it.

Gyula   

May I suggest asking Peterae for your own " bench " to continue with this interesting discussion?
Hi.  you can do whatever you want as long as it benefits people.  I give materials that can help to assemble a perpetual motion machine, but this is not of commercial value.  But this material has value in understanding free energy.

Greetings Arthur.

The method you're using to accomplish the magnetic switching as described in your postings Here (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3933.msg94406#msg94406) and Here (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3933.msg94407#msg94407) is actually quite ingenious.

I wonder;  do you think it would be possible to come up with an arrangement where both the Magnets and the Coils are stationary and the only rotating parts would be the Magnetic Divereters to accomplish the desired Magnetic Switching?

You've given the Problem a great deal of thought and I believe you are close to success.

Quote from: gyula on 2021.08.28, 19:12:56
Hi Arthur,

Would like to ask what is the approximate cross section area of the plates under the generator windings? And what is the thickness of the plates?

You mention permalloy material and the like, here is an ebay offer on an ultraperm 80 metal sheet with 0.1 mm thickness. https://www.ebay.com/itm/353615286207 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/353615286207) and
here is another offer with 0.3 mm thickness.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/233934747463 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/233934747463)

They are expensive but do you think that layering such sheets to get say 2 mm thickness will be useful? 
The advantage of using such sheets is that they can be cut relatively easily by scissors to the needed Fibonacci spiral shape.
Thanks for answering my question on looping the output to the input, that is very good you tested it.

Gyula

It all depends on the magnets and their flux as well as the speed of rotation.  If the structure is made of sufficient quality and does not have vibration and beating, then the frequency can be quite high.  and it depends on the stator material.  I cannot say how this or that material can show itself.  here you can calculate the classic magnetic conductivity calculator.  overall power, the strength of the magnet by the number of tesla.  I used permola powder.  this was ordered from the core workshop.  it cost me about $ 800, you can experiment with different materials.  but if you use pure iron in one thick piece, it will be a good oven)

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.08.28, 00:05:25
Now I can transform, or I would say teleport Lenz to another system and dispose of him there.  that's right to say.  This, too, I can tell you in what way you can do it.

Arthur,

It's a very interesting subject. This method is what I would like to learn about.

Thank you for sharing your discoveries

Cadman

Quote from: muDped on 2021.08.28, 20:53:32
Greetings Arthur.

The method you're using to accomplish the magnetic switching as described in your postings Here (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3933.msg94406#msg94406) and Here (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3933.msg94407#msg94407) is actually quite ingenious.

I wonder;  do you think it would be possible to come up with an arrangement where both the Magnets and the Coils are stationary and the only rotating parts would be the Magnetic Divereters to accomplish the desired Magnetic Switching?

You've given the Problem a great deal of thought and I believe you are close to success.

As I said above, I found a way to dispose of Lenz in a way that can turn the generator into a device that has no braking.  This is the second way to avoid influence.  I am also working on TPU but at the moment I cannot overcome the influence.  I need time and the opportunity to buy an oscilloscope with 4 galvanically isolated channels (independent), then I could create a TPU pretty quickly.

Quote from: Cadman on 2021.08.28, 21:16:32
Arthur,

It's a very interesting subject. This method is what I would like to learn about.

Thank you for sharing your discoveries


Cadman

I can tell you how you can teleport Lenz to another system.  another system, I mean the node where we dispose of Lenz without affecting the source of the EMF.  technically we can never escape Lenz's influence in a closed system.  therefore, we need to completely decouple the source from the disposal site.  but I want you to understand the process and not just assemble structures according to the instructions.  I described the first way.  it's easy enough to understand.  we compensate for the Lenz influences with magnet attraction and gentle care.  it looks like Muammar Ildis device

in fact, the second method is even easier.  to understand I will speak in simple words.  first, you need to break down all temporary processes into stages.  the first stage when the magnet comes to the coil we shouldn't have a load.  the resistance must be infinite.  the second stage - the magnet is at the maximum EMF, at this moment the key is switched.  (The turn-off time depends on the characteristics of the output transformer.) The third stage is very important!  at this stage, we break the chain at the right time and dispose of our Lenz.  without affecting the source, we can transfer the emf to another system and use it as we want.  It sounds simple, but no one will show you how to do it technically.  This can be done by a person who understands the processes, who can experimentally test and confirm it.  all ingenious is simple, but not everyone can do it.

in this video I discovered the first effect when we recycle the source EMF in the transformer.  I use one key that works with one pole.  But when I figured out how it works, I just used a large transformer in push-pull mode.  each field worked on its own shoulder.
https://youtu.be/owC0wYRlKws

P.S
I do not want to distribute the video.  these videos are available here.  There are people who are extremely hostile to me and do not want me to spread this information.

if someone does not understand what I am talking about, let them be silent and do not ask unnecessary questions.  Who understands that way asks questions how it works.  There are nuances in this method that you need to understand.  they are in temporary transitions.  Everything will only work at the right time.  I hope the translation from Russian was correct

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.08.28, 23:14:48
if someone does not understand what I am talking about, let them be silent and do not ask unnecessary questions.  Who understands that way asks questions how it works.  There are nuances in this method that you need to understand.  they are in temporary transitions.  Everything will only work at the right time.  I hope the translation from Russian was correct

Hi Arthur,

Thank you for sharing this.
Perhaps you could explain a little more about you solid state setup.
From the video it is not very clear what you are switching.

Thanks,
Vasik

PS I can help with translation if you like

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.08.28, 23:05:56

in this video I discovered the first effect when we recycle the source EMF in the transformer.  I use one key that works with one pole.  But when I figured out how it works, I just used a large transformer in push-pull mode.  each field worked on its own shoulder.

Arthur,

Has the subject device changed to a transformer, or are we still working with an alternator?

Cadman

in the video at the beginning of my letters, I showed the first prototype of a generator with back EMF compensation.  there is no need for any keys or semiconductors.  The second method that I tested and works is to transport Lenz to the second path.  the second circuit can only be inductance.

Sir
Welcome to forum

As mentioned by member Grumage
This forum has moderator area for members who build

Called "Benches" administration can open bench area for you
And then,

You will be able to update , remove , add ...or ? "Any" post in your bench section ( you will be moderator there)
Not many forums allow this ... it is wonderful feature for FE open source Builders!

Screenshot of benches included in this post (scroll down main (1st) page to see benches section)

Thankyou for sharing .

Respectfully
Chet K

I have no time or desire to promote my work.  I spontaneously selected the first section and posted the information.  who decides to do this seriously, I will help.

Quote from: Cadman on 2021.08.29, 16:04:49
Arthur,

Has the subject device changed to a transformer, or are we still working with an alternator?

Cadman

I do not work with direct current.  At the exit, I had 3 phases, what to do with this everyone decides what he wants

now I will show the core on which I am using the output transformer.

Hi Arthur,

Can I please run the following question by you to see if I (we) are not mixing up multiple systems?

The generator you show in video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tathVvJtWVo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tathVvJtWVo)
- The coils are connected straight to the load bulbs with no additional circuitry?
- You made the cores from powdered material? Would you recommend this: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-Price-Sell-Permalloy-Ni49Fe50-Alloy_1600173994321.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.3c9d3576p2BUiD (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-Price-Sell-Permalloy-Ni49Fe50-Alloy_1600173994321.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.3c9d3576p2BUiD)

Thanks for the answers!
Steven

the output transformer must have the characteristics suitable for your generator.  the magnet must give a maximum EMF, the transformer must accept this and delay it until a certain moment, then when the magnet is farther from the coil, then we break the connection and receive energy from the magnet in our transformer.  then do whatever you want with it.  But until the moment when the magnet comes back to the coil, there should be nothing in the transformer.  it should be empty.  (reset hysteresis)

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.08.29, 19:39:51
Hi Arthur,

Can I please run the following question by you to see if I (we) are not mixing up multiple systems?

The generator you show in video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tathVvJtWVo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tathVvJtWVo)
- The coils are connected straight to the load bulbs with no additional circuitry?
- You made the cores from powdered material? Would you recommend this: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-Price-Sell-Permalloy-Ni49Fe50-Alloy_1600173994321.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.3c9d3576p2BUiD (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-Price-Sell-Permalloy-Ni49Fe50-Alloy_1600173994321.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.3c9d3576p2BUiD)

Thanks for the answers!
Steven

Yes, there is nothing commutation on this video.  they are simply permoloy cores.  2 cores per phase, 6 cores in total.  But in reality I was deceived and the quality of the core was poor.  The powder looks good on your link.  You can do an experiment.  the attraction to the magnet must be sufficient to overcome the force of rupture or release of the magnet from the core.  But these experiments require money.  it's good for those who have them.  You can make a perpetual motion machine and enjoy the spectacle.  But for a commercial proposal, this will not work.  efficiency must be over 400% to be of interest for industrial applications.

Thanks for the info.
You had these cores made? Or did you you make them yourself?
Are they epoxy mixed with the powder and cast in a shape? Or was the powder high power pressed in a mould and sintered commercially like the production process of ferrite?

at the very beginning of the experiments, I used a solid sheet of iron 8mm thick, but it turned out to be a furnace that burns the windings) the second time I ordered from a private master, he made it using epoxy resin and the desired shape, but he did not give a good attraction of the magnets and the quality was low.  But he gave me the opportunity to understand the mistakes.  for such generators, the rotation speed must be at least 2000 rpm to obtain more than 300% efficiency

Ok thanks, and the cores made by this private master were the cores used in the generator in the video?

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.08.29, 20:45:20
Ok thanks, and the cores made by this private master were the cores used in the generator in the video?

Yes

Do you trust the watt meter reading you use in the video?
Have you used an resistor to see the amps on the oscilloscope and so calculate the wattage?

Sometimes these cheap watt meters can be inaccurate.

Thanks for you patience with these questions.

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.08.29, 21:07:37
Do you trust the watt meter reading you use in the video?
Have you used an resistor to see the amps on the oscilloscope and so calculate the wattage?

Sometimes these cheap watt meters can be inaccurate.

Thanks for you patience with these questions.

https://youtu.be/jjEQnU8tpRw This is my old video, I am using a resistor that is connected to the oscilloscope and we can see the voltage across the resistor.  These measurements are more correct, but even without devices, we can hear that almost at a short circuit, the generator speed does not fall, consumption does not increase.  in the generator all magnetic fields are compensated as in the device Ildis Myanmar.  rotor moves freely

Hi Arthur,

Would like to ask a question on the 2nd method you mention in your Reply # 105 above. 
I undertand the first and the second stage when the transformer is switched onto the input coil.
However, when this happens and the input coil is induced to have maximum EMF,  the exponentially increasing transformer current would invoke Lenz law to happen, no?

Of course the ON time for the switch is important but it determines the transferred energy to the transformer. The smaller the switch-on time, the less energy is transferred
and the less Lenz effect hampers the input coil, and vice versa.  Is this correct? What I am missing?

Of course, after the switch is off (this the third stage if I am not mistaken?), no Lenz effect can happen on the input coil but during the ON time I think there should be a certain Lenz effect.
Is that negligibly low yet the "teleported" energy is enough already to use it advantageously?
Would you explain?

Thanks
Gyula 

Quote from: gyula on 2021.08.29, 22:40:09
Hi Arthur,

Would like to ask a question on the 2nd method you mention in your Reply # 105 above. 
I undertand the first and the second stage when the transformer is switched onto the input coil.
However, when this happens and the input coil is induced to have maximum EMF,  the exponentially increasing transformer current would invoke Lenz law to happen, no?

Of course the ON time for the switch is important but it determines the transferred energy to the transformer. The smaller the switch-on time, the less energy is transferred
and the less Lenz effect hampers the input coil, and vice versa.  Is this correct? What I am missing?

Of course, after the switch is off (this the third stage if I am not mistaken?), no Lenz effect can happen on the input coil but during the ON time I think there should be a certain Lenz effect.
Is that negligibly low yet the "teleported" energy is enough already to use it advantageously?
Would you explain?

Thanks
Gyula

you understood everything correctly and say what I was expecting to hear, everything as it seems to us in the classical law is so.  But there is one point that for some reason no one says.  it is that the magnet left a charge in the core.  Yes, when the transformer is connected, the current grows linearly and Lenz will begin to act, but we lose sight of the fact that the magnet has a zone when the current in the coil does not have time to slow it down.  because the speed of the magnet becomes greater than the rate of current rise.  This is a very interesting point.  The magnet magnetizes the core, we connect the transformer and the current grows, but it does not have time to slow down the magnet because the rotation speed of the magnet is greater than the increase in current.  It may sound ridiculous, but this is how it works.  you can see this in the short video above when only one key worked.  that day I received an increase, but when I had 2 keys working, I increased the power several times.  maybe 3 or 4 times more.  in push-pull mode

I will say one more thing.  everyone knows the Cromrey generator and knows that at a high frequency, when the load is connected, it accelerates.  Yes, it is not at all effective, but no one understands why there is an increase in speed under load.

Thank you Arthur, sound interesting indeed.  And I assume your tests has confirmed that it can be the correct explanation.

Greetings
Gyula

are there people here who assembled a working device ??.  (working means more than 100% efficiency) Or are there people on this site who wanted to be my partner?

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.08.31, 09:24:22
are there people here who assembled a working device ??.  (working means more than 100% efficiency) Or are there people on this site who wanted to be my partner?

Arthur,

Welcome to OUR!

In your video on your first post, what do you estimate your gain or overall COP to be?

Regards,
Pm

Quote from: partzman on 2021.08.31, 17:42:25
Arthur,

Welcome to OUR!

In your video on your first post, what do you estimate your gain or overall COP to be?

Regards,
Pm

I only won that it can spin as long as there is force in the magnet and the bearing remained in good condition.  If the motor is asynchronous or without brushes, then the resource will be higher.  But I spent a lot of time and money to make a perpetual motion machine that is not interesting to anyone.  it has no commercial value or industrial application.  But I have an idea how to improve the system.  and even get away from mechanical rubbing parts.  and come to TPU

As I said above, I need a 4-channel oscilloscope with galvanically isolated ones.  then I can adjust the current and voltage in the two connected loops.

although it is possible to do without it.  But it's very difficult.  because each transformer has its own characteristics of magnetization speed and hysteresis.  you need to see the whole process at the same time without delays on all elements.  voltage and current in the first loop and voltages and current in the second loop.  then you can control the keys and adjust the phase shift.  when to turn on and break the circuit

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.08.29, 23:13:16
you understood everything correctly and say what I was expecting to hear, everything as it seems to us in the classical law is so.  But there is one point that for some reason no one says.  it is that the magnet left a charge in the core.  Yes, when the transformer is connected, the current grows linearly and Lenz will begin to act, but we lose sight of the fact that the magnet has a zone when the current in the coil does not have time to slow it down.  because the speed of the magnet becomes greater than the rate of current rise.  This is a very interesting point.  The magnet magnetizes the core, we connect the transformer and the current grows, but it does not have time to slow down the magnet because the rotation speed of the magnet is greater than the increase in current.  It may sound ridiculous, but this is how it works.  you can see this in the short video above when only one key worked.  that day I received an increase, but when I had 2 keys working, I increased the power several times.  maybe 3 or 4 times more.  in push-pull mode

Thanks for the info. But does that mean that this transformer concept will also work just as well on other type generators? Or does it need to be the one from your video? Also will this work with a pure sine wave or does if work better/at all, with the waveform from your generator?

Also can you please explain your theory why the stator shape of your generator provides a way to overuinity?
I understand that at the beginning of the attraction cycle the magnet is pulled in with sudden force and is released gradually when the magnet alignment cycle ends. But how is this a gain?

For instance, when the magnet came into alignment with the stator the magnet axle gained 100 units of energy (momentum acceleration). Now, when the magnet will rotate out of alignment it would lose 100 units of energy (momentum deceleration). I know this is done gradually due to the stator shape but it is still 100 units of energy only smeared out over a longer distance right? If it were less then 100 units of energy the rotor would auto accelerate forever since it gains more momentum each attraction cycle then it looses when the attraction is broken.

You understands my confusion? Do you have a theory?
Thanks for the help.

Arthur

Quotealthough it is possible to do without it.  But it's very difficult.  because each transformer has its own characteristics of magnetization speed and hysteresis.  you need to see the whole process at the same time without delays on all elements.  voltage and current in the first loop and voltages and current in the second loop.  then you can control the keys and adjust the phase shift.  when to turn on and break the circuit

Ah the old multi transformer device...

My first working FE device was based on a similar principal using four or maybe it was six 10:1 step up transformers similar to the Hubbard device. One tell tale sign is the "W" or "M" shaped wave form you displayed in one of the video's you posted. That is, to switch or key(as you call it) for a small time period at the peak of the induced voltage. I also thought it was a phase shift relating to a change in the electromagnetic field and to be honest it took me a few years to figure out this was not the case.

You may find that in fact the proximity of the transformers alters the effect more so than any effects relating to conduction. Here we need to be careful as to what we think were seeing on our DSO. In my case it was probably easier because I had little interest in conduction like most but more so field effects.

QuoteAs I said above, I need a 4-channel oscilloscope with galvanically isolated ones.  then I can adjust the current and voltage in the two connected loops.

In this respect I may be able to help and I had all the same issues I presume you are with common ground currents. I tried opto-isolators but that was futile because of the limited bandwidth/voltage tolerance then I tried isolation transformers which did no better. Here we need to think about the actual nature of the problem were trying to solve which is isolation or a measure separated from the system to be measured. Do you know how I solved the problem?, I invented electrometer and magnetometer arrays which do not rely on conduction more so the actual field property we want to measure. It sounds so simple after the fact doesn't it?, to actually measure the field property we want to measure directly.

In effect were speaking about a new way of measuring things more in line with the concept of finding new ways of doing things. New information leads to new understanding and from this we can progress to new ideas unlike those in the past.

In retrospect most of what I thought I knew was wrong and I really had no idea what I was doing or thinking in the past. I think this is how progress works and if we cannot prove our past thoughts wrong in some way then were not really learning anything new.

Regards
AC

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.08.31, 21:42:47
Thanks for the info. But does that mean that this transformer concept will also work just as well on other type generators? Or does it need to be the one from your video? Also will this work with a pure sine wave or does if work better/at all, with the waveform from your generator?

good question, Of course, conditions are needed for this principle.  First of all, I use a ribbon core that allows me to spin the rotor with magnets very easily.  I have no resistance.  (when the coils are not connected) Secondly, the magnetic field must be opposite.  if you look from the side, then at the top are two magnets north north and below north north.  And also 4 more coils and 4 small ones.  (small for control) In this configuration I have two advantages, the first is dual frequency.  that is, at 1500 rpm I have 50 hertz.  Accordingly, at 3000 rpm, there will be 100 hertz.  and the second advantage is that it gives the desired latency.  When the magnet reaches a certain point, I can safely dispose of Lenz.  And the rotation speed practically does not drop.  this can be seen in the video.  It is easy to check, you need a round core, preferably tape winding.  and 4 magnets.  Wind 4 large and 4 small ones like in my photo.  build a structure and see how easy it is.  The magnet is the source of energy.  I do not think this is a dangerous nuclear fuel.  But Lenz can be teleported using inductance.  Think logically, there is the rate of rise of the current, there is the rotation speed of the magnet, there is the voltage in the core (emf) If we can delay the current until a certain moment when the magnet is outside the zone of influence of the current (Lenz).

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.08.31, 21:42:47
Also will this work with a pure sine wave or does if work better/at all, with the waveform from your generator?

yes it will only be a sine on the generator.  But it is important to tune the transformer to get a sine.  There is nothing special about this transformer.  any transformer having a primary winding of sufficient (large) inductance and a secondary coil for any use.

Iron and coper

ribbon core

copper.  large coil wire 0.5mm.  small coils 1.2mm

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.08.31, 21:55:28
Also can you please explain your theory why the stator shape of your generator provides a way to overuinity?
I understand that at the beginning of the attraction cycle the magnet is pulled in with sudden force and is released gradually when the magnet alignment cycle ends. But how is this a gain?

For instance, when the magnet came into alignment with the stator the magnet axle gained 100 units of energy (momentum acceleration). Now, when the magnet will rotate out of alignment it would lose 100 units of energy (momentum deceleration). I know this is done gradually due to the stator shape but it is still 100 units of energy only smeared out over a longer distance right? If it were less then 100 units of energy the rotor would auto accelerate forever since it gains more momentum each attraction cycle then it looses when the attraction is broken.

You understands my confusion? Do you have a theory?
Thanks for the help.

I understand what you said.  The first is an impulse of retraction, but the energy magnet runs up to the beginning of deceleration and it spreads along the entire length of the tail.  you noticed correctly.  But you did not take into account the moment that we have 3 phases.  the second phase is reaching the end and the third phase helps to break out to the next cycle.  Yes, in theory, you can do more than 4 x or 6 phases and get infinite rotation.  but I did not deal with this issue further.  I have financial difficulties.  Maybe someone will do it.  But I got a free run.  I removed the sticking and got a very easy move.  The engine has no difficulty in turning, it is like idling for the engine.

Quote from: Allcanadian on 2021.08.31, 23:57:56
Arthur
Do you know how I solved the problem?, I invented electrometer and magnetometer arrays which do not rely on conduction more so the actual field property we want to measure. It sounds so simple after the fact doesn't it?,

I am glad that you can also understand me and have knowledge.  Your way is very interesting to me.  you are using hall sensors, perhaps, and could you tell us in more detail how observations can be made in this way.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.01, 08:41:33
good question, Of course, conditions are needed for this principle.  First of all, I use a ribbon core that allows me to spin the rotor with magnets very easily.  I have no resistance.  (when the coils are not connected) Secondly, the magnetic field must be opposite.  if you look from the side, then at the top are two magnets north north and below north north.  And also 4 more coils and 4 small ones.  (small for control) In this configuration I have two advantages, the first is dual frequency.  that is, at 1500 rpm I have 50 hertz.  Accordingly, at 3000 rpm, there will be 100 hertz.  and the second advantage is that it gives the desired latency.  When the magnet reaches a certain point, I can safely dispose of Lenz.  And the rotation speed practically does not drop.  this can be seen in the video.  It is easy to check, you need a round core, preferably tape winding.  and 4 magnets.  Wind 4 large and 4 small ones like in my photo.  build a structure and see how easy it is.  The magnet is the source of energy.  I do not think this is a dangerous nuclear fuel.  But Lenz can be teleported using inductance.  Think logically, there is the rate of rise of the current, there is the rotation speed of the magnet, there is the voltage in the core (emf) If we can delay the current until a certain moment when the magnet is outside the zone of influence of the current (Lenz).

What you describe is the following system. Is that correct?

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.01, 13:30:27
What you describe is the following system. Is that correct?

the windings are correct.  but the magnets are not true.  In the photo, I showed how.

Ok thanks. But how big is the airgap on your device? I mean it probably is more than a 1.5cm since it needs to pass over the wooden supports which divide the coils right? You used transformer silicon steel ribbon to make the core or is it some kind of normal application steel role? What is the diameter of the thing if I may ask? And this device is only overunity when the 'transformer' method is used on each of the 4 main coils right? So 4 transformers? What do you do with the smaller thick coils if I may ask?

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.01, 13:30:27
What you describe is the following system. Is that correct?

https://youtu.be/O7jrTj1lk1U here from 5:30 you can see this effect.  the dependence of the speed of rotation on the growth of the current.  when we get this period of time we can use the loads as we want.  i checked it works.  I also made notes with this experiment.  Anyone can check it out.  The problem in the Cromrey generator is a very large sticking of the magnet and also the brush assembly.  And little efficiency.  The design is not efficient at all.  But I have free rotor rotation and Lenz delay effect.  Lenz is delayed until the magnet is out of Lenz's field

When it comes to a 4 channel isolated scope, maybe this is useful?:
https://www.banggood.com/Hantek-6074BE-4-Channels-70Mhz-Bandwidth-Automotive-Oscilloscope-Digital-USB-Portrail-Osciloscopio-D-p-1375844.html?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_organic&gmcCountry=NL&utm_content=minha&utm_campaign=minha-nl-en-pc&currency=EUR&cur_warehouse=CN&createTmp=1&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_bgs&utm_content=sandra&utm_campaign=ssc-nl-css-all-0302&ad_id=337480208048&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0rrSxaXe8gIVic13Ch1PlggWEAQYAyABEgLELfD_BwE (https://www.banggood.com/Hantek-6074BE-4-Channels-70Mhz-Bandwidth-Automotive-Oscilloscope-Digital-USB-Portrail-Osciloscopio-D-p-1375844.html?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_organic&gmcCountry=NL&utm_content=minha&utm_campaign=minha-nl-en-pc&currency=EUR&cur_warehouse=CN&createTmp=1&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_bgs&utm_content=sandra&utm_campaign=ssc-nl-css-all-0302&ad_id=337480208048&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0rrSxaXe8gIVic13Ch1PlggWEAQYAyABEgLELfD_BwE)

"4 isolated channels oscilloscope, 1GSa/s real time sampling rate, 2mV-10V/DIV high input sensitivity and large input range, 70MHz high bandwidth,"

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.01, 17:12:46
https://youtu.be/O7jrTj1lk1U here from 5:30 you can see this effect.  the dependence of the speed of rotation on the growth of the current.  when we get this period of time we can use the loads as we want.  i checked it works.  I also made notes with this experiment.  Anyone can check it out.  The problem in the Cromrey generator is a very large sticking of the magnet and also the brush assembly.  And little efficiency.  The design is not efficient at all.  But I have free rotor rotation and Lenz delay effect.  Lenz is delayed until the magnet is out of Lenz's field

Ok thanks I understand the red part, but I am not sure what the green lines mean. Do you mean that after the point of "Switch off" You dump the emf of RED into GREEN? And what about the 4 little coils?

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.01, 17:42:31
Ok thanks I understand the red part, but I am not sure what the green lines mean. Do you mean that after the point of "Switch off" You dump the emf of RED into GREEN? And what about the 4 little coils?

For you to quickly understand, to get started all the processes very well need to make a test sample.  I mean not spending a lot of money to get a big device.  First, check the physical processes in the core.  and then see at what point in time we need to manage.  It will be right and there will be no disappointment.  Make a core build a structure and start testing.  it is desirable to have a wide frequency range.  Rotor revolutions from 700 to 4000 rpm or more.  the gap from the core to the magnets is about 1.7 - 2 cm. The core is made of packing tape.  but I burned it red to soften it and oxidized the film to reduce the fukko currents.  core size about 21 cm in diameter magnets 45 mm in diameter.  But it will be better if it is made of transformer steel or amorphous iron.  Good bearings and a balanced axle are highly desirable.  I sharpened the axis from stainless steel.  This design is successful in that two or more cores can be assembled on one axis and the power can be increased.  On one core, I can get over 2 kW of power.  but most likely you can get more because you need a large transformer of 5 kW or more.  with the same inductance as the stator.  I have it rated for 220 volts.  I made several such devices to order and even sent them to Spain.  If there is a need, I can send any parts or a fully assembled generator without a drive motor to any address.

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.01, 17:42:31
Ok thanks I understand the red part, but I am not sure what the green lines mean. Do you mean that after the point of "Switch off" You dump the emf of RED into GREEN? And what about the 4 little coils?

small coils for control.  This is a very interesting job.  you won't get more than one watt until you drive small coils.  it's very funny.  so I wanted everyone to test.

as I said above, these are the features of this design.  we have a frequency twice the speed.  at 1500 rpm I have 100 hertz sine

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.01, 17:54:47
For you to quickly understand, to get started all the processes very well need to make a test sample.  I mean not spending a lot of money to get a big device.  First, check the physical processes in the core.  and then see at what point in time we need to manage.  It will be right and there will be no disappointment.  Make a core build a structure and start testing.  it is desirable to have a wide frequency range.  Rotor revolutions from 700 to 4000 rpm or more.  the gap from the core to the magnets is about 1.7 - 2 cm. The core is made of packing tape.  but I burned it red to soften it and oxidized the film to reduce the fukko currents.  core size about 21 cm in diameter magnets 45 mm in diameter.  But it will be better if it is made of transformer steel or amorphous iron.  Good bearings and a balanced axle are highly desirable.  I sharpened the axis from stainless steel.  This design is successful in that two or more cores can be assembled on one axis and the power can be increased.  On one core, I can get over 2 kW of power.  but most likely you can get more because you need a large transformer of 5 kW or more.  with the same inductance as the stator.  I have it rated for 220 volts.  I made several such devices to order and even sent them to Spain.  If there is a need, I can send any parts or a fully assembled generator without a drive motor to any address.

Ok I have a few silicon steel tape wound toroidal transformer cores. Size 120mm, 70mm hole and 17mm thick and a fully equipped machine shop as well as a toroidal winding machine.
Would that core be ok? Or does it need to be bigger?

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.01, 18:14:55
Ok I have a few silicon steel tape wound toroidal transformer cores. Size 120mm, 70mm hole and 17mm thick and a fully equipped machine shop as well as a toroidal winding machine.
Would that core be ok? Or does it need to be bigger?

yes, that's great stuff.  I think it will be great.  you will need 25mm diameter magnets.

you need to split the coil parts and wind the 0.5mm wire at about 250 volts at 50 hertz.  that's about 70 meters of wire.  thick wire should be wound tightly and approximately 7-10 meters.  here I have no exact calculations.  This is not critical.  they are needed to create a counter flow and send the field into large coils.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.01, 20:20:00
you need to split the coil parts and wind the 0.5mm wire at about 250 volts at 50 hertz.  that's about 70 meters of wire.  thick wire should be wound tightly and approximately 7-10 meters.  here I have no exact calculations.  This is not critical.  they are needed to create a counter flow and send the field into large coils.

Ok does that mean EACH of the 4 main coils must be wound for 250v? If so than that is really a huge amount of wraps and can not be done with 0.5mm wire on such a 'small' core. A normal toroidal transformer's wingdings overlap a few times over the whole length of the core. So putting this 4 times on the same core is going to need very thin winding.

For example to calculate the required wraps we take the core area. Which is about 2.74cm x 1.8cm = 5.15cm
The transformer winding rule is '42'. So 42 / 5.15 = 8.155. So for one volt I need 8.155 wraps.
You say 250v, so we do 8.15wraps x 250 = 2038 wraps.

Please tell me this is not for each of the 4 coils?

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.01, 23:07:44
Ok does that mean EACH of the 4 main coils must be wound for 250v? If so than that is really a huge amount of wraps and can not be done with 0.5mm wire on such a 'small' core. A normal toroidal transformer's wingdings overlap a few times over the whole length of the core. So putting this 4 times on the same core is going to need very thin winding.

For example to calculate the required wraps we take the core area. Which is about 2.74cm x 1.8cm = 5.15cm
The transformer winding rule is '42'. So 42 / 5.15 = 8.155. So for one volt I need 8.155 wraps.
You say 250v, so we do 8.15wraps x 250 = 2038 wraps.

Please tell me this is not for each of the 4 coils?

you can reduce the thickness of the wire, But I do not know how many turns I made.  visually you can see that there are many turns.  and at 800 rpm I have 170 volts on one half wave.  I had to work hard to rewind the whole ring

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.01, 23:07:44
Ok does that mean EACH of the 4 main coils must be wound for 250v? If so than that is really a huge amount of wraps and can not be done with 0.5mm wire on such a 'small' core. A normal toroidal transformer's wingdings overlap a few times over the whole

For example to calculate the required wraps we take the core area. Which is about 2.74cm x 1.8cm = 5.15cm
The transformer winding rule is '42'. So 42 / 5.15 = 8.155. So for one volt I need 8.155 wraps.
You say 250v, so we do 8.15wraps x 250 = 2038 wraps.

Please tell me this is not for each of the 4 coils?

I just have a calculation for the length of the wire, I always take the length of the wire and not the number of turns and complex calculations on the calculator.  I know the length is enough for me.  To everyone I collected, I took 0.5 mm wire 75 meters long

Hi Arthur,

Regarding the windings,  would it help to know the inductance values of your large and small windings?  This depends on mainly the permeability and cross section area of the core of course, besides the number of turns.
If you agree you could measure the inductance values of your windings, it may help.

Regarding the core material, would a large size ferrite toroidal core be also useful for test purposes (not for the kW outputs)  ?  Ferrite would also have small eddy current losses.

Gyula

Quote from: gyula on 2021.09.02, 09:49:16
Hi Arthur,

Regarding the windings,  would it help to know the inductance values of your large and small windings?  This depends on mainly the permeability and cross section area of the core of course, besides the number of turns.
If you agree you could measure the inductance values of your windings, it may help.

Regarding the core material, would a large size ferrite toroidal core be also useful for test purposes (not for the kW outputs)  ?  Ferrite would also have small eddy current losses.

Gyula

Hi, okay, I'll do a measurement of the inductance if it's helpful.  I don't think ferrites can do well.  they give a good power from 10 kHz and above.  But we have a low frequency of 200 hertz max.  so the hardware works well.  High speed requires high quality rotor and motor.  this complicates the process.  Moreover, I am sure that the magnetization speed will be higher and we will not be able to obtain the desired effect.

Yeah I also please would like to know the inductance.
And like you mentioned, I need mach a separate transformer to the same inductance value?

Just wondering and no problem if you do not want to share this. But do you have a picture of the whole system you have build?

Hello Arthur,

I have a couple of questions.

Will this transformer work for us folk in 120 volts, 60 Hz land? (with half the winding's?)

How are the coils connected, series, parallel?

How are they switched, with power mosfets?

Thanks,

Ron

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.02, 19:22:25
Yeah I also please would like to know the inductance.
And like you mentioned, I need mach a separate transformer to the same inductance value?

Just wondering and no problem if you do not want to share this. But do you have a picture of the whole system you have build?

yes, I'll say inductance tomorrow when I'm in the workshop.  of course you need to have a little more inductance on the transformer.  but no less.  I used a 220 volt mains winding in the transformer, it is 3-5% more than in the generator stator.  they should be about the same.  I totally understand the whole system I was working on of course!  how can you do what is not clear.  this is step by step, gradually collecting experience, keeping a log of experiments.  I've been doing this for a long time.  and tried many different options.  I was inspired by Muamar Ildis, Bedini, worked on meg (Tom Berden, Steven Mark) But I didn't have a good result.  Then I started an independent search and got more results than when I listened to what they say on the Internet.  The only thing I now have difficulties in life and I wanted to share so that it doesn't go to waste.  In Russia, I cannot talk about it.  And also if someone has the opportunity to help with money, someone can help me as much as possible.  I will be grateful.  i need to buy an oscilloscope and finish work on tpu.

Quote from: ronee on 2021.09.02, 19:46:19
Hello Arthur,

I have a couple of questions.

Will this transformer work for us folk in 120 volts, 60 Hz land? (with half the winding's?)

How are the coils connected, series, parallel?

How are they switched, with power mosfets?

Thanks,

Ron

most likely it can be done at 120 volts, but a higher frequency will be needed there.  The more stress the better.  the higher the inductance, the lower the rotational speed.  and this gives advantages in design and run time.  Wear will be less, Power keys work better.  i am using igbt transistors.  1200 volts 30 A. There is a very high voltage when the circuit is broken and weak keys simply burn.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.02, 20:18:32
yes, I'll say inductance tomorrow when I'm in the workshop.  of course you need to have a little more inductance on the transformer.  but no less.  I used a 220 volt mains winding in the transformer, it is 3-5% more than in the generator stator.  they should be about the same.  I totally understand the whole system I was working on of course!  how can you do what is not clear.  this is step by step, gradually collecting experience, keeping a log of experiments.  I've been doing this for a long time.  and tried many different options.  I was inspired by Muamar Ildis, Bedini, worked on meg (Tom Berden, Steven Mark) But I didn't have a good result.  Then I started an independent search and got more results than when I listened to what they say on the Internet.  The only thing I now have difficulties in life and I wanted to share so that it doesn't go to waste.  In Russia, I cannot talk about it.  And also if someone has the opportunity to help with money, someone can help me as much as possible.  I will be grateful.  i need to buy an oscilloscope and finish work on tpu.

Well indeed lets do it step by step. I am building it right now. Will have something to show this weekend. I wonder why in Russia you can not speak about it? I had the impression that the Russian overunity research 'community' was quite big and active? I am willing to send you some money (It won't be enough to buy such an oscilloscope but every bit helps I suppose) but only via paypal. So if you send me the email address of your paypal account it will be done. Either post it here or via a private massage.

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.02, 22:47:02
Well indeed lets do it step by step. I am building it right now. Will have something to show this weekend. I wonder why in Russia you can not speak about it? I had the impression that the Russian overunity research 'community' was quite big and active? I am willing to send you some money (It won't be enough to buy such an oscilloscope but every bit helps I suppose) but only via paypal. So if you send me the email address of your paypal account it will be done. Either post it here or via a private massage.

it's good news that we'll see your version so soon.  We have many people in Russia who are interested in FE and are working on it.  There are also many scammers who are trying to sell fakes.  There is an organization called the Department for Economic Crimes, they tried in every possible way to harm those who succeeded, so those who could achieve that go underground.  I never poke my nose and try to share only with loved ones.  It is good if you can help buy an oscilloscope, it will be a big step for a common cause.  I am glad to meet you and have a common development.  my PayPal https://www.paypal.me/Sarukhanova or udinartjewellery@gmail.com

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.03, 05:35:27
it's good news that we'll see your version so soon.  We have many people in Russia who are interested in FE and are working on it.  There are also many scammers who are trying to sell fakes.  There is an organization called the Department for Economic Crimes, they tried in every possible way to harm those who succeeded, so those who could achieve that go underground.  I never poke my nose and try to share only with loved ones.  It is good if you can help buy an oscilloscope, it will be a big step for a common cause.  I am glad to meet you and have a common development.  my PayPal https://www.paypal.me/Sarukhanova or udinartjewellery@gmail.com

Send you some

Are coil 1 and 2 supposed to be connected in series when used? (which would mean that 3 and 4 are also to be in series) Please let me know since this will change the amount of windings I must do.

greetings friends!  many thanks for the help.  Now I can buy an oscilloscope and move on.  i came home late at night so i will send the coil data tomorrow.  Please write what questions you have.  The main work is physical and technical materials for the sample, then there are logic elements and power switches.  for a start, I would like that Nali2001, after assembly, looked at how the coils work in the mode of opposite fields.  and then apply a transformer and switches

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.03, 19:12:04
Are coil 1 and 2 supposed to be connected in series when used? (which would mean that 3 and 4 are also to be in series) Please let me know since this will change the amount of windings I must do.

Yes, you need to daisy chain 1 and 2, 3 and 4 You need to have 2 pairs.  first, one pair works, then the other.  but the inductance of the pair is common.  it turns out 2 coils.  one coil is top to bottom, the second coil is left and right.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.03, 20:03:44
greetings friends!  many thanks for the help.  Now I can buy an oscilloscope and move on.  i came home late at night so i will send the coil data tomorrow.  Please write what questions you have.  The main work is physical and technical materials for the sample, then there are logic elements and power switches.  for a start, I would like that Nali2001, after assembly, looked at how the coils work in the mode of opposite fields.  and then apply a transformer and switches

About the oscilloscope I posted a page back. I am not so sure right now whether it really is a truly isolated type. It does says it is but in some of the buyers comments elsewhere they complain that they are not isolated at all. So if you have that model in mind ask the seller for the information. Just to be sure.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.03, 20:08:45
Yes, you need to daisy chain 1 and 2, 3 and 4 You need to have 2 pairs.  first, one pair works, then the other.  but the inductance of the pair is common.  it turns out 2 coils.  one coil is top to bottom, the second coil is left and right.

Ok thanks, I will probably have the model somewhat complete this Sunday.

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.03, 20:32:34
About the oscilloscope I posted a page back. I am not so sure right now whether it really is a truly isolated type. It does says it is but in some of the buyers comments elsewhere they complain that they are not isolated at all. So if you have that model in mind ask the seller for the information. Just to be sure.

The best would be to ask the Hantek Service team by writing them http://hantek.com/support (http://hantek.com/support)  i.e.  what is the isolation impedance (resistance) between any two input channels BNC ground connections?

The user manual is here  http://www.hantek.com/Product/Hantek6000BX/HT6004BX_Manual.pdf (http://www.hantek.com/Product/Hantek6000BX/HT6004BX_Manual.pdf)  and Hantek puts it in the Automotive Diagnostic Exuipment category series.  I could not find a specification on the isolation resistance between the channel Grounds, only the usual input impedance is given for all the 4 channels (1 MOhm, 25 pF).

EDIT:   Just found this video on the scope and it turns out the channel grounds are not isolated from each other.

under the video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbnqMJW1z-0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbnqMJW1z-0) there is this question


Sukhdeo Singh (2 years ago (edited)
Sir i want to know that  wether the channels are isolated to each other.  ie. The ground points of the probes  are isolated to each other?

sailorbob74133  (2 years ago (edited)
No the channels on the scope share a common ground

This means the Banggood or other sellers either cheat or mistranslate specifications for marketing purposes.

Gyula

unfortunately I found out that in general there are no isolated channels in this category.  you need to look for other options.

Arthur,

If I may ask, why do you feel the need for individually isolated scope channels?

regards,
Pm

Quote from: partzman on 2021.09.03, 23:26:22
Arthur,

If I may ask, why do you feel the need for individually isolated scope channels?

regards,
Pm

Hi, first of all for setting up a generator with no moving parts.  This principle can be adjusted when you see the voltage and current in the first circuit and the voltage and current in the second circuit.  I tried to decouple with current rings but this is misleading.  You need to know exactly in what time range you need to turn on the IGBT and how much you need to shift the time delay.  This is the first thing.  Second, when we have tuned the contours, we need to take energy at the right moment, for this we also need to observe the time transitions.  Now nali will test the operation of the generator, but there we can see visually with the help of an opto sensor for the position of the magnet, the increase in current and the hysteresis curve.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.03, 23:04:40
unfortunately I found out that in general there are no isolated channels in this category.  you need to look for other options.

Well, Hantek has a handheld scope type with really isolated inputs but it has only 2 input channels, not 4. It is the DSO1062S http://hantek.com/ProductDetail_111.html (http://hantek.com/ProductDetail_111.html)   Note the suffix S designates the isolated input, other suffix like B (i.e. DSO1062B) is not with isolated inputs.  At ebay I find it for USD 618 free shipping from China.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/313619684361 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/313619684361)

Differential probes would also be an option but they are relatively also expensive.  Here is a differential probe offer, 100 MHz, 1300V, with a volume price of  USD 149.39 when 4 quantities are bought, so it would amount to around USD 600.   If two such probes would be enough, they cost 2x USD 161.   Here is the ebay offer:   https://www.ebay.com/itm/133520360712 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/133520360712)

Someone built a differential probe, he published it in 3 parts, Part 1 is starting here:  http://blog.weinigel.se/2016/02/26/ghz-differential-probe.html (http://blog.weinigel.se/2016/02/26/ghz-differential-probe.html) 

One more note:  In the ELEKTOR magazine an isolated oscilloscope probe was shown in the 2014 September issue but its analog input bandwidth is 60 kHz, it might be good for you to see the low frequency waveforms?
  see a short info on it here:  https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/elektor-201409/27026 (https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/elektor-201409/27026)  I have the full description as published if you are interested.  4 such units should be built.
It uses an isoPower device for input isolation, here is further info on such:  https://www.analog.com/en/parametricsearch/11036#/ (https://www.analog.com/en/parametricsearch/11036#/) 

Gyula

Ok could get something done. Still 'far' from finished.
The core is in a shell that acts as an insulator as well as a coil divider. There are about 1800 wraps of 0.3mm wire on there. I did only one 'coil set' since I first want to get it spinning and see how much volts this gives. After that the second set of coils will be put on as well as the small coils. The magnets are 25mm and it is all sturdy and balanced. Next up a frame that holds it all together.

And no, the rotor is not dirty the material has these spots in it lol.

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.05, 18:42:38
Ok could get something done. Still 'far' from finished.
The core is in a shell that acts as an insulator as well as a coil divider. There are about 1800 wraps of 0.3mm wire on there. I did only one 'coil set' since I first want to get it spinning and see how much volts this gives. After that the second set of coils will be put on as well as the small coils. The magnets are 25mm and it is all sturdy and balanced. Next up a frame that holds it all together.

And no, the rotor is not dirty the material has these spots in it lol.

Absolutely beautiful, I see your coil winder in some of the photos, nice.

Ron

Hi nali2001,

Very cool job! 

Hi Arthur,

I would like to include further info on building a high voltage differential probe,  these may be useful either for you or someone else. Here is a 800V, 50MHz probe: https://circuitcellar.com/research-design-hub/high-voltage-differential-probe/ (https://circuitcellar.com/research-design-hub/high-voltage-differential-probe/)   

There is a new device, a current sensor integrated circuit, it has a 1.5 MHz bandwidth (-3dB) and needs few components to apply: https://eu.mouser.com/new/aceinna/aceinna-mcr1101-sensor-ics/ (https://eu.mouser.com/new/aceinna/aceinna-mcr1101-sensor-ics/)  and https://eu.mouser.com/new/aceinna/aceinna-mca1101-sensor-ics/ (https://eu.mouser.com/new/aceinna/aceinna-mca1101-sensor-ics/)  The primary side input pins has 0.9 mOhm resistance for the currents to be measured.  Mouser sells them.

Gyula

Hello friends!  how are you doing with work?  I got a little sick, so I don't go in for several days.  on Wednesday I'll be with you.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.06, 21:26:57
Hello friends!  how are you doing with work?  I got a little sick, so I don't go in for several days.  on Wednesday I'll be with you.

Its all going well. Should be finished this week.
Get well soon!

Here is the latest development status:
Still need to attach the motor. Then I can run the thing and see what kinds of volts we are getting and maybe adjust the winding. Then wind the other coil sets and the little coils.
So far so good Arthur?

Ok motor is on.

The coils in series are 22H and 52ohm.
When the output frequency is about 50hz the voltage is 258v
Would you say this is all good Arthur? The output is not a pure AC sine wave. Is this alright?

What is the next step?

Arthur when you have a moment, please comment on the current build and on top of that I have the following questions:
- what is the function of the 4 small coils and how should the operate?
- Please describe the switching process of the big coils to the circuit and output transformer.
- Does the output transformer needs to be a step down type or 1 to 1 ratio. And it is a normal transformer or a gaped type?

hi nali.  sorry for not being able to answer earlier.  great job.  the fact that the signal has this form, I do not quite understand why.  it should have the following signal as in my photo.  how are the poles of magnets located?

https://youtu.be/VIgt4cnC394
this signal is close to sine.  it was testing without igbt switching.  and without transport on a straight line to the load.

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.12, 19:45:42
Arthur when you have a moment, please comment on the current build and on top of that I have the following questions:
- what is the function of the 4 small coils and how should the operate?
- Please describe the switching process of the big coils to the circuit and output transformer.
- Does the output transformer needs to be a step down type or 1 to 1 ratio. And it is a normal transformer or a gaped type?

the transformer goes 1: 1 with a primary winding at 220v Secondary can be reduced to about 12-24 volts.  this is to quickly discharge the induction to zero.  it is advisable to discharge it onto a large capacitor since the minimum resistance is needed.  that is, in a short period, you need to drain all the induction (magnetic field of the transformer) either into the load or into an empty capacitor.

I advise you to first test the generator in the mode that we will receive with the IGBT communication.  for this, all the fields of the magnets must be turned with opposite fields to each other.  (north north and north north) but for this you need to wind all the windings.  both big and small.  after this test, it will be clearer for you what will happen next

good luck friends, I'll be with you tonight.  it's 0:00 Moscow time

Hi Arthur,

When you have the chance, please measure the inductances of the large and small windings on your toroidal core if you do not mind. It may also help.

Gyula

Nali. I want you to install the magnets as I meant.  then I wound all the coils big and small.  then connect only large coils in series and only small ones in series.  you will have 4 output wires.  2 are large and 2 are small.  then connect small short circuits so that on large ones there is a doubled frequency and emf.  And study this process.  so that there is an understanding of what we will do.

Quote from: gyula on 2021.09.14, 10:51:40
Hi Arthur,

When you have the chance, please measure the inductances of the large and small windings on your toroidal core if you do not mind. It may also help.

Gyula

hello Gulya.  I'm glad to see you again.  I took a photo with inductance and I can say that small coils have 8 - 9 millhenries in one coil.  But large coils change inductance depending on the position of the magnets.  the saturated bar is not shown correctly.  But Nali also managed to make 220 V.  it's my focus on these characteristics

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.14, 11:12:46
Nali. I want you to install the magnets as I meant.  then I wound all the coils big and small.  then connect only large coils in series and only small ones in series.  you will have 4 output wires.  2 are large and 2 are small.  then connect small short circuits so that on large ones there is a doubled frequency and emf.  And study this process.  so that there is an understanding of what we will do.

I am at work now and will check tonight, but I am super sure I installed them like your example image, all facing the same polarity to the stator core.

Are you sure they should not be installed like the below image?

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.14, 12:05:17
I am at work now and will check tonight, but I am super sure I installed them like your example image, all facing the same polarity to the stator core.

Are you sure they should not be installed like the below image?

ok, but I don't like sine.  you should be able to do this.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.14, 11:12:46
Nali. I want you to install the magnets as I meant.  then I wound all the coils big and small.  then connect only large coils in series and only small ones in series.  you will have 4 output wires.  2 are large and 2 are small.  then connect small short circuits so that on large ones there is a doubled frequency and emf.  And study this process.  so that there is an understanding of what we will do.

Ok just to be sure I will run this by you again:
So ALL the big coils are connected with each other in series? And all the small coils are connected in series? So like in the first image below?

I first though that only the opposing coil 'sets' were connected in series. Like in the second image below.

Please confirm that the first image is the right one please.

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.14, 14:56:35
Ok just to be sure I will run this by you again:
So ALL the big coils are connected with each other in series? And all the small coils are connected in series? So like in the first image below?

I first though that only the opposing coil 'sets' were connected in series. Like in the second image below.

Please confirm that the first image is the right one please.

hello friends, yes, I meant the first drawing, but you need to observe the beginning of the winding and the end.  as in the photo.  this option will be clearer for controlling the coils.  Next, I will show the second working option in order to already get a result with great efficiency.  then collect exactly as I showed in the photo.  the magnets point with one pole to each other.  Connect large coils to the load first, and see how the IGBT work with drivers and optical sensors.  tune to an oscilloscope and after adjusting the position of the sensors, you need to connect a transformer.

let's build and I need to see how the short coils will work.  and load, what frequency can you get?

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.14, 22:07:13
hello friends, yes, I meant the first drawing, but you need to observe the beginning of the winding and the end.  as in the photo.  this option will be clearer for controlling the coils.  Next, I will show the second working option in order to already get a result with great efficiency.  then collect exactly as I showed in the photo.  the magnets point with one pole to each other.  Connect large coils to the load first, and see how the IGBT work with drivers and optical sensors.  tune to an oscilloscope and after adjusting the position of the sensors, you need to connect a transformer.

Ok thanks all is clear. Will wind the coils today.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.14, 13:37:12
ok, but I don't like sine.  you should be able to do this.

Arthur, I built a small working model that I run in the lathe.

After some (many) modifications I have this scope shot, is this close to what you recommend?

Thanks,

Ron

Quote from: ronee on 2021.09.16, 03:41:29
Arthur, I built a small working model that I run in the lathe.

After some (many) modifications I have this scope shot, is this close to what you recommend?

Thanks,

Ron

Yes, exactly what is needed at the final stage of assembling the device.  but today Nali will be testing the control of the magnetic flux coils in the rod.  to make it clear what I mean.  At this stage, his signal should be close to the sine.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.16, 12:02:43
Yes, exactly what is needed at the final stage of assembling the device.  but today Nali will be testing the control of the magnetic flux coils in the rod.  to make it clear what I mean.  At this stage, his signal should be close to the sine.

Well the core is wound but I won't have time for testing today sadly.
Tomorrow should be fine.

All wound and put together.
Ran it at 1000rpm I think (not sure. I don't trust the RPM meter I have) with all the big coils in series like you described. The open AC voltage is 180v peak to peak. Like can be seen in the first scope shot.

In the second scope shot I permanently shorted one of the small coils and the voltage jumped off scale. That negative sine wave part is easily 400volts. Is this what we want? Or do I have too many windings..?

Here is also a video.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KnmS37fJAAkrJVuIdM9uuNcKijrePH0t/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KnmS37fJAAkrJVuIdM9uuNcKijrePH0t/view?usp=sharing)

Now please give suggestions if any. And please describe what is next.

Now also connected the small coils in series as indicated.

First scope shot is the voltage on the big coils with the small coils not shorted.

The second scope shot is the voltage on the big coils with the small coils shorted.

Somehow the trace is not really even/balanced.
Anyway with the small coils shorted the voltage goes way up.

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.19, 11:42:11
Now also connected the small coils in series as indicated.

First scope shot is the voltage on the big coils with the small coils not shorted.

The second scope shot is the voltage on the big coils with the small coils shorted.

Somehow the trace is not really even/balanced.
Anyway with the small coils shorted the voltage goes way up.

hi nali.  Yes it's good!  it should be.  short coils will control the current rise in the transformer.  but first you must make sure that the frequency is doubled.  if in standard mode you have, for example, 50 hertz at 3000 rpm, now you should have 100 hertz.  Now I will draw a circuit for connecting the igbt, do you have the opportunity to assemble a circuit from drivers and transistors?  I found a control scheme, but it will be difficult.  To get started, you just need optical sensors, drivers and transistors.  driver power must be decoupled

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.19, 19:24:18
hi nali.  Yes it's good!  it should be.  short coils will control the current rise in the transformer.  but first you must make sure that the frequency is doubled.  if in standard mode you have, for example, 50 hertz at 3000 rpm, now you should have 100 hertz.  Now I will draw a circuit for connecting the igbt, do you have the opportunity to assemble a circuit from drivers and transistors?  I found a control scheme, but it will be difficult.  To get started, you just need optical sensors, drivers and transistors.  driver power must be decoupled

I am not really sure what you mean with "standard mode" you mean 'standard mode' is the frequency a single large coil will give?

I will do the rpm/frequency test. Still waiting on a new tachometer.
Part of my daytime job is designing and building circuits/PCBs so no problems there.
I also do firmware programing. So if that is needed it should be no problem.

Yes please show me a circuit and description that explains what all the components of the system need to do.

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.19, 19:47:40
I am not really sure what you mean with "standard mode" you mean 'standard mode' is the frequency a single large coil will give?

I will do the rpm/frequency test. Still waiting on a new tachometer.
Part of my daytime job is designing and building circuits/PCBs so no problems there.
I also do firmware programing. So if that is needed it should be no problem.

Yes please show me a circuit and description that explains what all the components of the system need to do.

nali, I need to get to the workshop to get my notebook.  it contains all the information.  it will be at 10:00 Moscow time.

Hi Arthur,

I now have a working tacho meter.

I ran the generator at 1000rpm and got 67hz on the 4 big series coils.
Is this the double frequency you are taking about?

Sounds pretty high for just 1000rpm.

nali, hello.  sorry I couldn't come out to you and join you.  Now I can lay out the circuit of my last version, but first I have to simply assemble the circuit from drivers and transistors.  be careful with high voltages across capacitors.  I find this circuit similar to the Tesla switch.  very similar in principle.  the optical sensors control the drivers and the drivers with the transistor.  assemble the diagram, I will tell you what to do next.

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.22, 19:43:50
Hi Arthur,

I now have a working tacho meter.

I ran the generator at 1000rpm and got 67hz on the 4 big series coils.
Is this the double frequency you are taking about?

Sounds pretty high for just 1000rpm.

nali, here you have a good signal like mine, and a double frequency.  1 turnover gives twice more, that's what I wanted to show.  But now put together a circuit for switching.

in the diagram, the transformer works in push-pull mode, but at first it can be obtained with one transistor.  By the way, approximately the same scheme was used by Slabodyan if you knew him.  This scheme is nowhere to be found on the Internet, so it is better not to show it to the public.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.23, 22:46:21
in the diagram, the transformer works in push-pull mode, but at first it can be obtained with one transistor.  By the way, approximately the same scheme was used by Slabodyan if you knew him.  This scheme is nowhere to be found on the Internet, so it is better not to show it to the public.

Thanks for the info and schematic. I will study and make it.
I do not know Slabodyan. Who is he?

Are the small coils not part of the schematic? What needs to be done with those? Or are they permanently shorted?

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.24, 08:27:43
Thanks for the info and schematic. I will study and make it.
I do not know Slabodyan. Who is he?

Are the small coils not part of the schematic? What needs to be done with those? Or are they permanently shorted?

hi nali, at this stage the short coils will be short-circuited, you should get a stable operation of the transformer in push-pull mode.  after that you study the process, you look at the signals on the transformer and on the generator, the speed of the generator, the frequency, when we see the desired mode, we will switch to the control of short coils

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.24, 19:11:03
hi nali, at this stage the short coils will be short-circuited, you should get a stable operation of the transformer in push-pull mode.  after that you study the process, you look at the signals on the transformer and on the generator, the speed of the generator, the frequency, when we see the desired mode, we will switch to the control of short coils

Ok all clear. The circuit could take a week or two to make so probably no updates from me for a while.

hello friends, I have most of the tools for this oscilloscope.  I need another $ 500. I'll be very grateful if we can buy this.  We will work together if necessary.

Hi Arthur,

Does this TDS2024C type have isolated inputs?  Or it is not important?

Gyula

the most important are isolated channels.  In this model, the channels are isolated.  And I found out that there are several models with isolated channels in the 2000 series.  This is one of the available models.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.29, 20:27:05
the most important are isolated channels.  In this model, the channels are isolated.  And I found out that there are several models with isolated channels in the 2000 series.  This is one of the available models.

You sure it is an isolated channel model?
It does not say it is anywhere in the datasheet..
https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2237898.pdf (https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2237898.pdf)

The following models are true 4 channel isolated models:
Tektronix TPS2014B ($3300 second hand)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/154270320859?hash=item23eb3a48db:g:CokAAOSwLgNf7Zv4 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/154270320859?hash=item23eb3a48db:g:CokAAOSwLgNf7Zv4)
Tektronix TPS2024B ($4000 second hand)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/154488845093?hash=item23f840b325:g:abwAAOSwOGdgwvjD (https://www.ebay.com/itm/154488845093?hash=item23f840b325:g:abwAAOSwOGdgwvjD)
TPS2024 ($1900 second hand)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/384348828568?epid=132637347&hash=item597cf9b398:g:bqgAAOSwlTJhJFMx (https://www.ebay.com/itm/384348828568?epid=132637347&hash=item597cf9b398:g:bqgAAOSwlTJhJFMx)
Tektronix TPS2014 ($1950 second hand)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/304160785297?hash=item46d1654391:g:5ecAAOSwHMlhN62J (https://www.ebay.com/itm/304160785297?hash=item46d1654391:g:5ecAAOSwHMlhN62J)
Tektronix TPS2024 ($1550 second hand)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203452115709?hash=item2f5eb0eafd:g:y8MAAOSwCApgno1v (https://www.ebay.com/itm/203452115709?hash=item2f5eb0eafd:g:y8MAAOSwCApgno1v)

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.29, 20:27:05
the most important are isolated channels.  In this model, the channels are isolated.  And I found out that there are several models with isolated channels in the 2000 series.  This is one of the available models.

Hi Arthur,

Indeed the 2000 series from Tektronix has isolated input channels  but the first 3 letters in the type designation are TPS and not TDS, ok?  https://www.tek.com/datasheet/digital-storage-oscilloscopes-1 (https://www.tek.com/datasheet/digital-storage-oscilloscopes-1)     
                    https://www.tek.com/document/selection-guide/oscilloscope-selection-guide (https://www.tek.com/document/selection-guide/oscilloscope-selection-guide)       
Gyula

Quote from: gyula on 2021.09.29, 23:14:37
Hi Arthur,

Indeed the 2000 series from Tektronix has isolated input channels  but the first 3 letters in the type designation are TPS and not TDS, ok?  https://www.tek.com/datasheet/digital-storage-oscilloscopes-1 (https://www.tek.com/datasheet/digital-storage-oscilloscopes-1)     
                    https://www.tek.com/document/selection-guide/oscilloscope-selection-guide (https://www.tek.com/document/selection-guide/oscilloscope-selection-guide)       
Gyula

I am satisfied with the 2014C model.  it costs us about 2000 dollars.  I need another 700 $.  I will have a salary of which $ 200 I will add.  but I need to find another $ 500 soon.

Quote from: gyula on 2021.09.29, 23:14:37
Hi Arthur,

Indeed the 2000 series from Tektronix has isolated input channels  but the first 3 letters in the type designation are TPS and not TDS, ok?  https://www.tek.com/datasheet/digital-storage-oscilloscopes-1 (https://www.tek.com/datasheet/digital-storage-oscilloscopes-1)     
                    https://www.tek.com/document/selection-guide/oscilloscope-selection-guide (https://www.tek.com/document/selection-guide/oscilloscope-selection-guide)       
Gyula

Gyula, write me an email.  I accidentally deleted your message.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.29, 23:27:55
I am satisfied with the 2014C model.  it costs us about 2000 dollars.  I need another 700 $.  I will have a salary of which $ 200 I will add.  but I need to find another $ 500 soon.

Arthur, please understand that the TDS2014C oscilloscope has no isolated input channels, unfortunately.  You wrote the isolated inputs are important for you, the specifications for the TDS2014C does not mention it at all.

The specifications for the oscilloscope type TPS2014B does mention the isolated channel inputs. There is the TDS 2000 series (no isolated inputs) and there is the TPS2000 series (with isolated inputs).  The big difference in price also reflects that.   https://www.signaltestinc.com/product-p/tps2014b.htm (https://www.signaltestinc.com/product-p/tps2014b.htm)   

Gyula

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.29, 23:32:52
Gyula, write me an email.  I accidentally deleted your message.

Arthur,  I did not write any email to you, you deleted someone else's email.   Perhaps you can retrive the deleted email from your Trashbox? 

Gyula

Quote from: gyula on 2021.09.30, 08:46:33
Arthur,  I did not write any email to you, you deleted someone else's email.   Perhaps you can retrive the deleted email from your Trashbox? 

Gyula

I discussed it with Ron and Gyula.
hello, I found and replied to your post with such a beginning.  please read

Quote from: gyula on 2021.09.30, 08:43:10
Arthur, please understand that the TDS2014C oscilloscope has no isolated input channels, unfortunately.  You wrote the isolated inputs are important for you, the specifications for the TDS2014C does not mention it at all.

The specifications for the oscilloscope type TPS2014B does mention the isolated channel inputs. There is the TDS 2000 series (no isolated inputs) and there is the TPS2000 series (with isolated inputs).  The big difference in price also reflects that.   https://www.signaltestinc.com/product-p/tps2014b.htm (https://www.signaltestinc.com/product-p/tps2014b.htm)   

Gyula

strange but on our site they write that the channels are isolated.  I was told that it can be bought for $ 2170 But it is refurbished.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.10.01, 00:44:18
I discussed it with Ron and Gyula.
hello, I found and replied to your post with such a beginning.  please read

It was I that send you an email starting with "I discussed it with Ron and Gyula."
I received your email.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.10.01, 06:32:58
strange but on our site they write that the channels are isolated.  I was told that it can be bought for $ 2170 But it is refurbished.

Dear Arthur,

The TPS2000 series you show in Russian (in your reply #225 above) as having isolated channels is correct.   And its refurbished price for $ 2170 may sound as acceptable. 

However, please notice that in your reply #214 https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3933.msg94832#msg94832 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3933.msg94832#msg94832)   your attached picture refers to a TDS2024C type i.e. a member of the TDS 2000 series, ok? 

And the TDS 2000 series was not made with isolated inputs.  You can see a tear down video on it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K04bHJJQQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K04bHJJQQA)  and the guy actually disassembles the 200 MHz oscilloscope.
I attached a snapshot picture from video time around 20:06 where the common metal frame for the ground screws of the BNC input connectors is clearly seen.  This means that the 4 inputs cannot be isolated from each other by their ground connections which is surely not the case for the TPS 2000 series.

If you could ask the seller / sales staff to check the conductivity between the grounds of the BNC connectors by a simple Ohm meter in the front side of their TDS2024C, the meter would show a short circuit between any of the BNC outer connections. 

One more thing: there are other manufacturers which have insulated input 4 channel oscilloscopes, here are some types:  https://uk.farnell.com/c/test-measurement/oscilloscopes?scope-channels=4-channel-isolated (https://uk.farnell.com/c/test-measurement/oscilloscopes?scope-channels=4-channel-isolated)    But I understand if you insist on Tektronix of course.  O0 

It is good that the email issue has been clarified.

Gyula
 

Arthur,

Again I would question the need for isolated scope channels and the increased cost for same!

I have attached your schematic below from one of your earlier posts and I would like to ask at what points on this circuit are you wanting to measure?

You can make floating differential measurements with two non-isolated channels on a sampling scope and then use the math capability that is available on nearly all current digital scopes, to compute the differential voltage or current.  Thus a 4 channel scope can take two isolated measurements.

Regards,
Pm

Quote from: partzman on 2021.10.01, 14:20:25
Arthur,

Again I would question the need for isolated scope channels and the increased cost for same!

I have attached your schematic below from one of your earlier posts and I would like to ask at what points on this circuit are you wanting to measure?

You can make floating differential measurements with two non-isolated channels on a sampling scope and then use the math capability that is available on nearly all current digital scopes, to compute the differential voltage or current.  Thus a 4 channel scope can take two isolated measurements.

Regards,
Pm

Hello everyone, I am glad for your interest in my problem, thank you.  This circuit does not need a 4-channel measurement.  I need it for the construction of TPU on the principle of Stephen Mark.  I have a circuit that has several types of resonance, parallel and serial.  measurements with a current ring are completely excluded there.  A 4-channel oscilloscope with isolated channels is a must for this.  I could get by with my 4 channel rigol but this is not possible unfortunately.  you need to see the exact phase displacement in real time without delays, you know.?  I will be ready to share the result with you.  There is a video on my channel where I hint about it.

Quote from: gyula on 2021.10.01, 10:23:10
Dear Arthur,

The TPS2000 series you show in Russian (in your reply #225 above) as having isolated channels is correct.   And its refurbished price for $ 2170 may sound as acceptable. 

However, please notice that in your reply #214 https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3933.msg94832#msg94832 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3933.msg94832#msg94832)   your attached picture refers to a TDS2024C type i.e. a member of the TDS 2000 series, ok? 

And the TDS 2000 series was not made with isolated inputs.  You can see a tear down video on it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K04bHJJQQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K04bHJJQQA)  and the guy actually disassembles the 200 MHz oscilloscope.
I attached a snapshot picture from video time around 20:06 where the common metal frame for the ground screws of the BNC input connectors is clearly seen.  This means that the 4 inputs cannot be isolated from each other by their ground connections which is surely not the case for the TPS 2000 series.

If you could ask the seller / sales staff to check the conductivity between the grounds of the BNC connectors by a simple Ohm meter in the front side of their TDS2024C, the meter would show a short circuit between any of the BNC outer connections. 

One more thing: there are other manufacturers which have insulated input 4 channel oscilloscopes, here are some types:  https://uk.farnell.com/c/test-measurement/oscilloscopes?scope-channels=4-channel-isolated (https://uk.farnell.com/c/test-measurement/oscilloscopes?scope-channels=4-channel-isolated)    But I understand if you insist on Tektronix of course.  O0 

It is good that the email issue has been clarified.

Gyula

Thanks a lot Gyula.  you helped me figure it out, now I'm sure that they sell me the right tps model.  I dispelled all doubts when the seller showed the inscription on the oscilloscope (4 isolated channels) But the price is more than acceptable, I will not find a better price on the market.  I also negotiated a half year warranty.

Arthur,

After watching your videos showing how you wound your Tesla flat pancake coils, I thought you might be interested in my research into into a similar application of flat coils based on the work of Arie DeGues.  The attached pdf shows a device with apparent infinite gain operating in the MHz range.  If the same concept will work in the kHz range with larger coils, the AC source waveform could be synthesized with class D amplifier design.

Regards,
Pm

https://youtu.be/rhwk9bHXEZI
hello friends, I was finally able to get to my workshop and switch the generator in perpetual motion mode.  You can make sure that this does not require measuring instruments to verify the excess energy.

Quote from: partzman on 2021.10.06, 14:57:45
Arthur,

After watching your videos showing how you wound your Tesla flat pancake coils, I thought you might be interested in my research into into a similar application of flat coils based on the work of Arie DeGues.  The attached pdf shows a device with apparent infinite gain operating in the MHz range.  If the same concept will work in the kHz range with larger coils, the AC source waveform could be synthesized with class D amplifier design.

Regards,
Pm

Greetings.  I have tested flat coils for a long time.  they work really interesting.  But I did not look for excess energy in them.  It's just like a tool for generating energy.  the excess I know can be extracted from a magnet or resonance.  Each work needs to go deeper in order to understand the work.  Today I am not interested in flat coils, although they have the peculiarity of being a capacitor and an inductor in one coil.  I have another project that is of greater interest as TPU

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.10.07, 06:10:58
https://youtu.be/rhwk9bHXEZI
hello friends, I was finally able to get to my workshop and switch the generator in perpetual motion mode.  You can make sure that this does not require measuring instruments to verify the excess energy.

Very nice!

I am ready to wind my home made toroid in my home made winder now but need to confirm the wire gauge and resistance of one of your main coils. You have said 75 meters of 0.5 mm wire. This is only 6 ohms and seems like not enough when I look at you wound toroid?

Ron

Nice toroid winder...

I have been 3D printing hollow toroid and coil former shells for a while now. I have a five gallon pail of fine iron filings I got from a machine shop for free which I pack into the formers. I think of it this way, there were literally hundreds of successful FE inventors who used solid iron or iron wire cores and there devices worked so ferrite or expensive materials isn't required. McFarland Cook made motor-generators, motionless generators and supposedly an anti-gravity device in 1860 with hand tools in a wooden shed.

So this notion that we require exotic materials and expensive electronics simply doesn't hold water.

Regards
AC

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.10.02, 07:40:04
Thanks a lot Gyula.  you helped me figure it out, now I'm sure that they sell me the right tps model.  I dispelled all doubts when the seller showed the inscription on the oscilloscope (4 isolated channels) But the price is more than acceptable, I will not find a better price on the market.  I also negotiated a half year warranty.

Hi Arthur,

I am curious whether you have purchased the TPS oscilloscope with insulated inputs?

Gyula

Quote from: ronee on 2021.10.12, 15:20:49
Very nice!

I am ready to wind my home made toroid in my home made winder now but need to confirm the wire gauge and resistance of one of your main coils. You have said 75 meters of 0.5 mm wire. This is only 6 ohms and seems like not enough when I look at you wound toroid?

Ron

hi friends, sorry for not answering on time.  I have a lot of work lately.  Ron 75 meters 0.5 wire is true.  the ring should preferably be the size of the magnet, but this is not critical.  Nice ring winding machine !!

Quote from: gyula on 2021.10.12, 20:07:56


Hi Arthur,

I am curious whether you have purchased the TPS oscilloscope with insulated inputs?

Gyula

Gyula unfortunately I have bad news about the oscilloscope.  this oscilloscope is not isolated.  When I saw that this is a misconception of the manager.  He showed that on a multimeter that the channels are ringing mass.  I am disappointed.  But I found the oscilloscope in private ads.  sell an oscilloscope with isolated channels.  I will go to him to buy.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.10.13, 07:12:53
Gyula unfortunately I have bad news about the oscilloscope.  this oscilloscope is not isolated.  When I saw that this is a misconception of the manager.  He showed that on a multimeter that the channels are ringing mass.  I am disappointed.  But I found the oscilloscope in private ads.  sell an oscilloscope with isolated channels.  I will go to him to buy.

Hi Arthur,

Are you a 100% sure that the manager checked the TPS2024B oscilloscope type (or any one member from the TPS2000B series) and he found the channels were a ringing mass on a multimeter? 

The manufacturer Tektronix clearly says that the TPS2000B oscilloscope family have an isolated input channel (IsolatedChannel™) technology which provides isolation from ground and isolation between channels allowing the user to take measurements with less worry about damaging any circuitry.

Here is a link on the TPS2000B oscilloscope series:
https://www.tek.com/product-features/isolated-channels-safely-floating--accurately-testing (https://www.tek.com/product-features/isolated-channels-safely-floating--accurately-testing) 

and in a short video they explain what it is about, I attached a snapshot from the video at video time 2:42 where the 4 isolated channel concept is explained. Please click on the big Playback icon in the middle of the screen to see the 3 minute long video.

So do not give up on buying the TPS2024B oscilloscope if you can, it should have isolated inputs (which cannot be a ringing mass with a multimeter) and go for it. 
You mentioned a refurbished price for such oscilloscope here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3933.msg94865#msg94865

Here are some more oscilloscope types (with 4 isolated input channels) to learn about them and perhaps you can find such types in private ads or at other sellers with cheaper (refurbished) prices.
https://uk.farnell.com/c/test-measurement/oscilloscopes?scope-channels=4-channel-isolated  (https://uk.farnell.com/c/test-measurement/oscilloscopes?scope-channels=4-channel-isolated)

For instance, here is 100MHz type from METRIX:
https://uk.farnell.com/metrix/ox9104/osc-4ch-isolated-100mhz-2-5gsps/dp/3366708 (https://uk.farnell.com/metrix/ox9104/osc-4ch-isolated-100mhz-2-5gsps/dp/3366708)

Gyula

Somewhat reasonable price this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/384348828568?epid=132637347&hash=item597cf9b398:g:bqgAAOSwlTJhJFMx (https://www.ebay.com/itm/384348828568?epid=132637347&hash=item597cf9b398:g:bqgAAOSwlTJhJFMx)

https://youtu.be/7qRksQWPgHE

Hi Arthur,

Hopefully you now have the resources to buy an oscilloscope with isolated inputs.   O0

Thanks for the video.

Gyula

Quote from: gyula on 2021.10.21, 09:15:08
Hi Arthur,

Hopefully you now have the resources to buy an oscilloscope with isolated inputs.   O0

Thanks for the video.

Gyula

Yes it's true.  I will now collect parts for a new project.  Thank you for support.

I have already sent to Switzerland

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.09.24, 21:11:50
Ok all clear. The circuit could take a week or two to make so probably no updates from me for a while.

Hello nali, ronee, Arthur

Gentleman, do you have any news about the generators to share? I hope this isn't another build that just fades away to nothing..

Regards,
Cadman

Quote from: Cadman on 2021.11.12, 17:37:26
Hello nali, ronee, Arthur

Gentleman, do you have any news about the generators to share? I hope this isn't another build that just fades away to nothing..

Regards,
Cadman

Well it is fully build and have been doing test for a week or two. But I do not have good results. I mean I can run loads, just not without also loading the motor.

Quote from: nali2001 on 2021.11.13, 13:12:58
Well it is fully build and have been doing test for a week or two. But I do not have good results. I mean I can run loads, just not without also loading the motor.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.09.24, 19:11:03
hi nali, at this stage the short coils will be short-circuited, you should get a stable operation of the transformer in push-pull mode.  after that you study the process, you look at the signals on the transformer and on the generator, the speed of the generator, the frequency, when we see the desired mode, we will switch to the control of short coils

nali,
This is where the build paused and I assume you have built Arthur's schematic here https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3933.msg94755#msg94755 .
Any details on that transformer? Have you heard from Arthur and advanced to the control of the short coils yet?

dear explorers and seekers.  if something is not clear and it does not work out, I suggest sending my device only not mechanical.  I have a device in which everything is visible and understandable.  I am ready to send you to be convinced of my work.  I don't need money for this device.  just write the address where I can send.  it will be a small device but will clearly show that it is without a fuel generator.

I am negotiating with a buyer from Switzerland.  maybe he can show where he decided to apply it.  it will be for heating the warm floor in his house.

Quote from: Arthur on 2021.11.23, 10:02:39
dear explorers and seekers.  if something is not clear and it does not work out, I suggest sending my device only not mechanical.  I have a device in which everything is visible and understandable.  I am ready to send you to be convinced of my work.  I don't need money for this device.  just write the address where I can send.  it will be a small device but will clearly show that it is without a fuel generator.

The year of the scam. 'Arthur', not his real name, came on with a Toroid Lenz free generator that is not Lenz free, nor free running!

He asked for money and several of us actually sent him money, with nothing in return.

The free energy device above, that he didn't want money for, turned out to "just send $115 for shipping", which I did and now nearly a  month later still no device.

One of his emails is,  Катушки Мишина which translates as "Mishin's Coils" so watch out for this clever scammer.

Ron
Edit: his story is quite convincing

On 2021-11-24 10:19 p.m., Катушки Мишина wrote:
> Ron, the new device will be on a different basis.  it's more like Doni
> Smith.  or tesla.  there will be a cacher, (tesla coil) electronics
> (not a big circuit) and a ferite transformer.  the device will operate
> from the ground.

An interesting article on grifting...

Grifting,
1. Money made dishonestly, as in a swindle.
2. A swindle or confidence game.

https://grftr.news/an-introduction-to-grifting/

QuoteWhat is a grifter?  They're someone who sells you something they know doesn't work.  Or, at least, they don't care whether it works or not.  It's the intentional lack of carefulness about the truth that determines whether someone is a grifter.  The end goal for these people is that they get paid, and if that means being less-than-honest, or even flatly dishonest, then that's just fine by them.  No skin off their nose.

This is why I never ask for money or for anyone to believe anything without question. When someone demands we believe something without question it's generally always a lie or grifting for money... Question everything.

Regards
AC

Quote from: ronee on 2021.12.30, 17:34:48
The free energy device above, that he didn't want money for, turned out to "just send $115 for shipping", which I did and now nearly a  month later still no device.

DHL & UPS and many others, offer prepaid (by the receiver) pickup services that would eliminate this mode of AFF.
This also has the additional benefit that the receiver is the beneficiary of the freight insurance.

Quote from: verpies on 2022.01.03, 21:06:56
DHL & UPS and many others, offer prepaid (by the receiver) pickup services that would eliminate this mode of AFF.
This also has the additional benefit that the receiver is the beneficiary of the freight insurance.

Thanks, I wish I had known that, this was done on PayPal and they permit this activity with no recourse. If you send money to a "friend" or for a "home made item" they can be of no help. Understandable in the real world I guess.

Ron

Quote from: ronee on 2021.12.30, 17:34:48
The year of the scam. 'Arthur', not his real name, came on with a Toroid Lenz free generator that is not Lenz free, nor free running!

He asked for money and several of us actually sent him money, with nothing in return.

The free energy device above, that he didn't want money for, turned out to "just send $115 for shipping", which I did and now nearly a  month later still no device.

One of his emails is,  Катушки Мишина which translates as "Mishin's Coils" so watch out for this clever scammer.

Ron
Edit: his story is quite convincing

On 2021-11-24 10:19 p.m., Катушки Мишина wrote:
> Ron, the new device will be on a different basis.  it's more like Doni
> Smith.  or tesla.  there will be a cacher, (tesla coil) electronics
> (not a big circuit) and a ferite transformer.  the device will operate
> from the ground.

that sucks Ron. I don't expect that from members here.