Radiant battery chargers...the simpler, the better...

[the_big_m_in_ok]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200495

About 3/4 the way down this page immediately above, there's a post of a board Member there that 'explains' how radiant chargers work.   I'll be getting more into this later when I have more time and money.
      I don't expect this to be OU, but for simplicity, it's hard to beat and this is something I can eventually use, IMHO.

I'll add to this thread later with more related info.

Later Reedit:
C:\Users\branch_internet\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\QMQZKYXF\converter[2].gif
      A similar diagram from different site compared to the first above.
Later reedit:
Okay, this is a bummer.   The address above doesn't run.   I'll leave it there as a warning.    Not.      Everything.      Will.      Run.       On.      The.      'Web.

--Lee

[e2matrix]

Are you talking about the one on that page from www.nuenergy.org?   That would be Bruce Perreault's although it's similar to some others and is really Tesla based.   BTW Bruce's web site is no longer at www.nuenergy.org as his ex got the site.  I think his site is now at http://www.earthionenergy.com   

[the_big_m_in_ok]

Are you talking about the one on that page from www.nuenergy.org?   That would be Bruce Perreault's although it's similar to some others and is really Tesla based.   BTW Bruce's web site is no longer at www.nuenergy.org as his ex got the site.  I think his site is now at http://www.earthionenergy.com    

Well, I looked and looked for a circuit that describes what I envisioned, but didn't find any on the sites you cited.   This one comes close:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Radiant_Energy_Antenna_System
      It's just a wire that runs to a step-down transformer which give higher amperage current to rectify with a diode to a battery.   A neon bulb acts as a lower-voltage spark gap.   That's what I meant.  
Later reedit:
Here, look at this...
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Ambient_energy_collection_device_schematic_500.gif
       I've read these systems need to be outside in the breezy wind for them to work right.   The electret effect on an insulated cable is said to work no other way.   However, some systems get milliWatts from a few feet of wire in an inside apartment.   MilliWatts is all, though.

--Lee

[the_big_m_in_ok]

      Well, I looked and looked for a circuit that describes what I envisioned, but didn't find any on the sites you cited.   This one comes close:

...

Here, look at this...
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Ambient_energy_collection_device_schematic_500.gif

So, take this antenna schematic...
http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/antenna.htm
...and before you get to the first impedance transformer in the attic, run a wire to a suitable household location, and then solder a Lakhovsky radiating coil into the circuit ahead of the transformer.   Between the input and output of the coil, set a two-way knife switch to cut in the coil and cut out the downside of the circuit to the impedance transformer and battery bank after it.   Several thousand volts will course through the coil with (theoretically) the same effect of an actual Lakhovsky coil, albeit with potentially less power in the circuit.
       When you're through with the coil, set the knife switch where it was originally, thus bypassing that part of the circuit.   The circuit does two things in one piece of wire.   I have a specific use for this circuit, but my envisioned design is very preliminary at this stage of development (back-of-envelope type of status).

--Lee

[the_big_m_in_ok]

I'll add to this thread later with more related info.

I'm unable to get downtown right now, so this thread will sit for awhile.   I imagine I'll add to several of my threads on this Bench when I'm able to render drawings to .PDF's.

--Lee

[the_big_m_in_ok]

Concerning the subject of this thread, I had the idea that questioned in my mind:  How alike---or how useful---can the industry standard, commercial-style radio antenna be in radiant energy capture and harvesting?   Especially in the LF or VLF bands for mere reception and harvesting of ambient radio signals?
      Here's just one technical description from a HAM operator:

http://www.yf1ar.com/2011/06/basic-antenna-theory-antenna-is-device.html

When I was a teenager, my Dad had, as a job function, a requirement to design electronic telemetry instruments that gave him the opportunity to experiment in radio electronics.   (It's part of the reason I'm here at this site doing research.)   He strung a length of wire on glass insulators across the garage diagonally---about 30'---and used that for a dedicated antenna, regardless of the potentially coupled 60 Hz line current frequency from the municipal power mains in the house wiring.   The frequencies he dealt with were obviously higher than this, but those shortwave and regular broadcast frequencies, as well as 60 Hz, were present on the ungrounded antenna.
      Any attic in a house with a high-enough peaked roof can have an insulated wire 'snaked' back and forth along the undersides of the individual roof rafters that have been stapled or carefully nailed to the underside.   There need not be actual baluns to process the signal for radio detection.   A step down transformer should do for impedance matching---or possibly more correctly---voltage equivalence to a battery bank.

COMMENTS?

--Lee

[muDped]

The tutorial you've linked to which describes
antenna function comprehensively is a good
find.

[the_big_m_in_ok]

The tutorial you've linked to which describes
antenna function comprehensively is a good
find.

Very good.   That's why I uploaded it.   I was concerned that at least one free energy researcher indicated that the wire/cable carrying voltage had to be in windy conditions and preferably on a long vertical pole as high as was feasible.   Then I remembered my Dad receiving shortwave broadcasts from a propaganda station in Communist Russia and this was done in a closed garage.   So the researcher was incorrect in that regard.

--Lee

[the_big_m_in_ok]

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/radiantcollector.png/

Another simple design, although the placement of those 90 deg. caps in the schematic could be better drawn.

--Lee

[the_big_m_in_ok]

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/radiantcollector.png/

Another simple design, although the placement of those 90 deg. caps in the schematic could be better drawn.

Okay, here's another one for simplicity's sake:

http://www.fight-4-truth.com/Ground.jpg

I built a ground-based battery charging system very similar to this one while living on the streets in Okla. City.   This one above uses only one collector; the hollow tube.   I was using alternating, wired-together, copper and aluminum tubes shoved into the ground.

As well as this:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2209-earth-battery-sg.html
      (Look at the first drawing at the top of the page;  posted Entry #1.

--Lee

[the_big_m_in_ok]

I built a ground-based battery charging system very similar to this one while living on the streets in Okla. City.   This one above uses only one collector; the hollow tube.   I was using alternating, wired-together, copper and aluminum tubes shoved into the ground.
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       This is exactly what I meant...
http://www.zetatalk.com/energy/tengy09v.gif

It worked, too.   I didn't have a chance to do much with it, since I relocated out of that state to AZ, at the time.

-Lee

[the_big_m_in_ok]

The tutorial you've linked to which describes
antenna function comprehensively is a good
find.

Unfortunately, the site material for the information in question has been restricted by site owner/adminitrator so that a password is required to see the schematics.

I'll continue looking at other sites for similar information.

--Lee

[Duncan]

What an interesting subject to revisit and consider! John B and his mono pole is as good a place to start as any other I guess. a key statement of Johns is contained in this text : "Reactive Power is the clue to Monopole, Hendershot, Moray.." from this web page http://merlib.org/node/5508  what then pray is reactive power ? And why does the SSG work a miracle for some and not others ? What kind of "feel" can we get for this power that defies maths and standard engineering ? How does reactive/radiant power condition a battery ? In very crude electrical terms power = VI cos θ ,  cos θ  being the phase angle between voltage and current . We can't charge a lead acid battery with AC and so sinusoidal functions are not 100% correct our ambition then is a fast switching square wave (D.C) which as far as the true and apparent power equations are concerned act as AC .... that is powering the battery whilst no "real power" is consumed .... what JB calls radiant power , some call ambient power electricians have been trained to refer to as " reactive power" If I have managed to hold your attention thus far and you can stand a little more pain here is a little on that subject http://www.aspowertechnologies.com/resources/pdf/True%20vs.%20Apparent%20Power.pdf  you will see written there that reactive power can do no real work .... perhaps not , but it can charge and change lead acid batteries and they can do loads of work! John B noted after lots of study that the plates of a lead acid battery that was conditioned (radiantly charged) were a different colour his conclusion was it is a very different substance yet to be chemically defined was being produced. I think John knows a thing or two and so I'm happy to run with that! Strangely basic electric theory does not contradict these events but things need to be viewed askance. To wit .... The lead acid battery is rated, sold, and charged  in Ampere hours , at no point is power or energy involved in the basic calculations ... Its assumed.                                                                                                                                                                    Given a resonant (reactive) circuit large current  may flow whilst no "real power" is consumed this then explains the self runners that have been demonstrated. Electric circuits have the dubious pleasure of two distinct resonant types series and parallel It is the series flavour which produces this remarkable effect on lead acid batteries. So why doesn't it work for everyone ? Consider the Lead acid battery to be a variable capacitor ... after all it is .. isn't it ? It has plates and a dielectric, the problem (for we who seek free energy) is the dielectric is constantly changing depending on charge and other variables.....temperature,load ect ect .  This I have long thought has been the reason for such variable results regarding SSG self runners. However to devise circuitry that will radically vary the frequency of the charging square wave whilst holding the battery at series resonance has been beyond my nous ...( now I have a cunning plan ... which I'd like your thoughts on) ... but first a little supporting evidence for the premise . This sentence  ... When you hear the sulphate crystals buzzing and crackling inside the battery, you know something amazing (and kind of scary) is happening. Is lifted from this web page http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.VIkT71Kp5dg  I believe It pertains !  This sentence Every lead acid battery has a resonant frequency at around 2 to 6 megahertz lifted from this web page http://www.reuk.co.uk/Battery-Desulfation.htm To piss the power supply guys George Wiseman uses this series resonant (no real power) system in a crude fashion to charge banks of batteries on off peak tariff at night .... which he then uses during the day whilst  also feeding the excess back onto the grid ,by the law of the land, the power company pay George each month to use their power for free. Nice bananas George ! http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/store/free-energy/reverse-your-electric-meter-legally here then I believe is the heart of the enigma , to hold the lead acid battery close to series resonance in a sea of changing variables not least being a wildly changing internal resistance (impedance) and variable load altering the Q factor of the circuit http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/6.html  It does seem very clear that VARs can however happily charge lead acid batteries !! how then might we maintain series resonance  on a battery in this sea of change ? Consider this ... isn't this what has frustrated Tesla "Coilers"have searched and yearned for , for years ?  That is trying to hold ¼ wave resonance whilst surrounding conditions change radically. I start to ponder  if we might borrow some of this recent work and bend it to this resonant / radient/ambient/ battery charging project .... I offer this young mans circuit for you to mull over and consider adapting http://danstrother.com/elysium/

[Paul-R]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200495

About 3/4 the way down this page immediately above

I can see a couple of relevant posts.

What is the post number of the one you have in mind??