Reverse Engineering The Large TPU

[szaxx]

Hi,
@ Dumped, Im aware of these, it was the double reflector part increasing the voltage at the source. I had a thought (wave superposition) but thinking more on it the rotational aspect is thrown to the wind as well as the phase lag. It would generate  multiple pulses in the loop progressively upsetting the balance and the harmonics require a non linear aspect adding. The good part is it could be fed from another small loop and pulse excited.
I guess you have a callsign too.

[muDped]

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I guess you have a callsign too.

No, I'm not active any longer.  I was the MARS station (N0EFA) operator/tech
while at Naval Advisory Group Cat Lo RVN back in '72-'73. I still listen occasionally
though.

Spent time at numerous radio communications facilities west coast and throughout
Asia (ashore and afloat) and in the antenna fields.  Almost ancient history now.

...it was the double reflector part increasing the voltage at the source. I had a thought (wave superposition) but thinking more on it the rotational aspect is thrown to the wind as well as the phase lag. It would generate  multiple pulses in the loop progressively upsetting the balance and the harmonics require a non linear aspect adding. The good part is it could be fed from another small loop and pulse excited.

Diodes to introduce the non-linearity?

[BEP]

Just an FYI:

I consider the complete TPU to be what SM called his 'collector'.

What the TPU research community commonly calls 'collectors' I call 'horizontal control coils'.  I tend to keep that to myself while going with the flow during most discussions.

szaxx,

Take two loop elements of the same size. Feed both with the same signal, except delay the signal to one.
Place a pickup loop between them (1 half the wire length or less or 1 half the diameter or less).
That pickup loop will see an elliptical wave (rotation around the Z axis). The spacing between the two driven loops dictates the pitch of the elliptical wave. That part is not hard at all.

The hard part is creating the second rotation around the conductor of the pickup loop. Beyond that, I assume the two rotations must be synced in some way.

Between the two rotations you have the same magnetic fields around that pickup loop conductor as if it already had a current flowing through it. I also assume that an A field is also needed going the opposite direction of intended current flow.

With the right magnetic and A field orientation and placement current must be generated in that 'pickup loop'.

After all, all other methods of induction are reciprocal, aren't they?

My chances of being correct are just as good as anyone because we still don't have physical understanding of those electromechanical systems where we cannot neglect the mutual interaction between electric charges and currents, and the electromagnetic field emitted by them. Nor, do we have an understanding of how the correct device will react when subjected to such a combination of electromagnetic fields.

I think an SM collector is one of those systems.

In spite of a long history of efforts, there is still no generally accepted classical equation of motion for charged particles, as well as no pertinent experimental data. With this fact we throw computation of the A field out. Why? Because dominant theories suggest the A field has no effect except to allow for propagation in a vacuum?

IMO - Simple arrogance and idiocy.

Food for thought....

When you have DC continuous current going through single conductor your compass will point perpendicular to that conductor. Try to find separate North and South poles with that compass. You can't because that field is radial.

[wings]

Just an FYI:

DE BROGLIE'S PERPETUAL MOTION
 
http://users.scnet.rs/~mrp/chapter27.html

[BEP]

Just an FYI:

DE BROGLIE'S PERPETUAL MOTION
 
http://users.scnet.rs/~mrp/chapter27.html

I know it and love it. De Broglie was an undercover radical. 

[macedonia cd]

hi  to alll
I see here  some good  theory of ,ion.
i like the first page of this thear. for the concept of  two torid small  coneckt  each beatve. <,


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[macedonia cd]

@grumy  do you remeber of old story of our forum when some one say about two transformers coneckt together ....

[Kooler]

the first tpu has one set of signal wires that I can see and so does the large tpu .. so does that mean just one frequency .. ?

[Cheappower2012]

Figure 1 shows that the large tpu is possibly a coil,the gap has a magnetic
field,indicating its a giant coil made to look like a giant torroid. Figure Red wire,  shows that the red wire connects to one electrolytic capacitor,its hard to see if the caps are connected together however keep in mind
800 volts plus are placed on one cap.I used CHAT GPT to get an idea what electrolytic capacitors
you could get in 1998.Chat GPT was asked ,what value of electrolytic capacitors were available in 1998.


Practical upper limit (for that era)
Around 330–470 µF at 450 V was about the realistic ceiling for widely available catalog parts
Larger values existed but were:
Very bulky (large snap-in cans)
Expensive
Mostly used in industrial or specialized equipment
What you wouldn't typically see in 1998
450 V parts in the thousands of µF (like 1000 µF+) were essentially impractical with aluminum electrolytics at the time
Designers would instead:
Use multiple capacitors in parallel, or
Use different supply topologies
Typical real-world examples (1990s gear)
CRT monitor PSU: 100–220 µF / 400–450 V
ATX power supplies (late 90s): 200–330 µF / 200 V (doubled) or 120–220 µF / 400–450V
Audio amplifiers: 220–330 µF / 450 V (tube gear)

Bottom line:
In 1998, the practical, commonly available range for 450 V electrolytics was roughly:

10 µF to ~330 µF (with 470 µF at the high end but less common)

If you're trying to match or replace a part from that era, staying within that range will reflect what designers realistically had on hand.



The working voltage was 450v,your applying 800v plus,way beyond the 450v,
the solution you connect two caps in series,then the working volts are 900vdc,
this is the reason for the 2 capacitors,there are also resistors across the caps to balance the
voltage,and discharge the caps when not in use.Fig possible output circuit
of tpu,in my opinion,the tpu coil forms a transformer,with an air core,and a 1:1 ratio when giant current pulses are generated in the primary,the energy is
transferred by induction to the secondary,then thru a diode that charges caps.
Figure CLF POWER shows that this system will work,I generated high current pulses fed them to a air core transformer and lite a CFL.

Figure magnetic field of torroid,shows that the field extends across the torroid.Figure animated gif shows magnetic field of torroid with iron powder and steel bbs.Why does the
torroids have white wires,in my opinion its to expose the wire to the
magnetic field.Figures white wire 1 and 2 show what works and what doesn't
work.There are other factors that need to be figured out before a replication
can be attempted.