collector

[ion]

Regarding the FTPU and OTPU, it is doubtful there were any large batteries in these devices. Yet the OTPU windings got hot while in operation.

It would seem that energy is being absorbed from somewhere? and some of it was dissipated in the windings.

For this reason I have confined myself to what can be done with a small battery (say 9V or smaller) as a startup device to initiate some type of absorption of energy. This starter battery could have been hidden in either FTPU, OTPU or subsequent devices.

I have refrained from using large power sources as an initiator, because i don't see this happening in any of SM's devices. I was doing high power testing early on but have abandoned that for a more gentle approach to the problem.

It is logical that the small power source may have been used for some type of oscillator. It may also have been used for a high voltage step up circuit that contained an oscillator. Lastly it may have been used merely to create a DC bias. Any of these could be used to initiate a heretofore undiscovered process that absorbs the energy from somewhere? and releases it for utilization.

Considering the first possibility, the power source for a low power local oscillator as part of a Single Balanced Mixer that was set up with positive feedback  loops for regeneration is a reasonable approach.

[Grumpy]

G I have a feeling it will work for me, the reason being that when the event occurs i get a tug on a neo magnet, if i bias the common mode choke using a magnet that is close coupled to two event coils i should be able to focus the event energy and try conversion, it is in effect causing a very similar thing to rotation but the movement is converted to linear motion within the legs.

At 4kv and about 30kHz rep rate, that "tug" gets pretty serious.

Rotation adds other things that only exists in rotating systems.

One might say we are building a model of a particle.  They are perpetual too.

[Grumpy]

It is logical that the small power source may have been used for some type of oscillator. It may also have been used for a high voltage step up circuit that contained an oscillator. Lastly it may have been used merely to create a DC bias. Any of these could be used to initiate a heretofore undiscovered process that absorbs the energy from somewhere? and releases it for utilization.

Considering the first possibility, the power source for a low power local oscillator as part of a Single Balanced Mixer that was set up with positive feedback  loops for regeneration is a reasonable approach.

exactly!

[Kooler]

old topic i know
but how many turns per collector do you guys think i should start with...

[Kooler]

is that metal or magnet wire that i circled     (nah i decided that that is silver colored speaker wire strand)

[Kooler]

steel wire

[Kooler]

if so does that mean there is iron wire wrapped around  for control coils

[Cheappower2012]

On overunity.com there were theories that the tpu used iron wire in its constriction none worked out.There were theories on control coils ,they didn't work out. Here is a picture of the two toroids used
in the big tpu,notice that the white wire is neatly placed across the toroid on the right side.On the left side the white wire,is sloppily placed across the toroid.Notice to that the white wire goes across the right toroid directly across.On the left toroid the white wire is not directly across the toroid .The question is why,I have my theories as to why,what are other members thinking on this.

[Kooler]

my idea was that these where transformers rather than chokes ..because why would you try to get a amp reading off a choke.. and i also  think that the emails from sm don't go along with the collector design.. because on the mtpu was like brian collins said 99% cork... ( in between top and bottom )  cause it took him longer to cut thought the top and the bottom than it did the middle on the 15'' unit.. ion said the spark jumped off the left torroid to the base.. i saw that and thought that would be a transformer problem rather than a choke issue when turning off the unit.. i've spent 25 hours reading though the forum on sm tpu stuff before asking any questions.. i lost a lot when helene hit north carolina and when i went to overunity.com to get a lot of my circuit diagrams back.. i found out the website was lost.. give me some time to recover some equipment and i will be back working on this tpu.. it really reminds me of the 3 transformer design i made in 2009 which was based off a tube audio amp ...  i really thank you for replying to me..

[giantkiller]

On overunity.com there were theories that the tpu used iron wire in its constriction none worked out.There were theories on control coils ,they didn't work out. Here is a picture of the two toroids used
in the big tpu,notice that the white wire is neatly placed across the toroid on the right side.On the left side the white wire,is sloppily placed across the toroid.Notice to that the white wire goes across the right toroid directly across.On the left toroid the white wire is not directly across the toroid .The question is why,I have my theories as to why,what are other members thinking on this.

There were cabinets magnets inserted into each TPU that stuck. Watch the videos again. This adheres 100% with the Kunel patent. It takes an EMP('lightning from the sky' to quote SM) to break the flux connection in space/ Kunel air gap. 'Broken fuses make great spark gaps' to quote SM. The TPU is wound like a circular Tesla coil. The center toroids are the feed coils of the Armstrong oscillators into the two huge charge pumps which the large rings are part of. The large caps and diodes are by the inside edges of the outer ring. Each cap also has the necessary bleeder resistor on it.
The secret is to not allow the flux to keep its density in a central core material. Diffuse it in to space so it can be modulated. Review the High Q multiplier circuit.
'It really is quite simple' to quote SM. He never argued with any of my posts.

[Cheappower2012]

Why would he tell you how to build a tpu,that was how he made hes money,by
tricking investors and giving them nothing,a coman of sorts.
The toroids have very little inductance I demonstrated this,due to how there wound.
A lot of mythology about the tpu has come over the years,SM did not
know how the tpu worked only that it worked,he stated this,during when
jack durban posted on overunity.com.The tpu is not related to any other
device,except the KAP device.This is why its more than 20 years and nobody
has figured how to make one ,I don't follow myths.I can never understand why
people can't see what a liar SM was or is.Also under conservation of energy
and matter,no free energy devices can exist,however energy converters
can exist,example solar panel,light energy into electrical energy.
For the tpu to be real it has to be an energy converter,the energy that
it converts must be close,I think its gravitational energy to electrical
energy.It will require a new theory of gravity in a local area.

[Kooler]

is it just vertical windings on this tpu .. maybe its a redesign of the previous  one with horizonal windings.. ?

[Cheappower2012]

Here is a video I made a while back,in my opinion the tpu generates large
current pulses.Most things of the tpu fall under conventional theory,however 2 things
don't, current amplification and a gyroscopic effect.How the coil is wound
does not matter only that you have a parallel wire like in a lamp cord
wire,this forms a transformer of sorts the primary wire supplies strong current pulses to the secondary,this feeds a rectifier and capacitors.Each current pulse charges the capacitors, this charge powers the florescent light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJpVNd2w84Y

[Cheappower2012]

This is on the small tpu,all real tpu's have a torroid.
In my opinion the torroid is like a transistor,with a transistor you need resistors,capacitors,inductors to make a circuit work.In my opinion
the tpu is an energy converter not a free energy device.I also believe
the tpu was not perfected enough to be able to sell it or manufacture it.
Keep in mind most of the parts came from radio shack,when someone tries to
replicate the tpu they forget what was available with radio shack at the time.
In my opinion there are 3 parts to an overunity device.

1. A basic unit ,you input ac or dc and get out more than you put in.

2. A start circuit is needed to start the device

3. A looping circuit is needed to keep the device running with no external energy inputs

This applies to the kap device.

1. In the green box video there's a basic device,the input is less than 100 watts,the output is 5,000 watts.

2. The green box is started by a 12vdc to 220 vac inverter powered by a 12v battery,you could plug it into the 220 vac outlet also.

3.Theres a transformer 220vac to 12 vac with a bridge rectifier in the 12 vac part.
The output of the green box is hooked to the 220vac input of transformer, the 12vac of the transformer goes
thru the bridge rectifier to the input of the inverter,this forms the looping
circuit.
I found an interesting circuit for a buck converter it uses a 12 volt relay
it came from a YouTube short.I modified a few things, ideal for a start circuit.
A small buck converter changes the 9vdc from a 9 volt battery to 12vdc or higher this goes to the relay
the relay circuit goes to over 100vdc very fast.A solid state start up circuit
would be better, however I want to keep things simple,with very few parts,also a start up circuit would be used very little.

[Verpies]

In my opinion the tpu is an energy converter not a free energy device.

What energy does it convert to electric energy ?

[Cheappower2012]

Verpies,gravity is the energy source,you can not overcome conservation of

energy and matter,no free energy devices are possible,in my opinion.I believe

both
the tpu and the Kapanadze devices are powered by gravity,there is a close

connection between gravity fields and
magnetic fields.Heres a thought experiment,I have a solar panel 100 watts
hooked to a few lights drawing close to the current the panel puts out
in direct sun light.The panel is turned side ways now the lights dim or turn

off.You removed or weaken the source of the energy,sun light.In a first tpu

video SM turns the first tpu upside down and it stopped working.In the
aquarium  Kapanadze device video,they have a 2kw heater hooked up and turned

on,as they lifted the plastic box and turn it sideways,the heater turned

off.When they
turned it back the heater came back on.The tpu has a gyroscopic effect

indicating a gravity interaction from a device made up mostly of wire.
In the Kapanadze device it has a separate wound coil in the tpu the coil is
wound in a circle,the gyroscopic effect occurs in the coil.

[Verpies]

Verpies, gravity is the energy source,

Gravity is a conservative force field.  What goes up, must come down.

you can not overcome conservation of energy and matter,

...but matter can be converted into energy.  For example, that's where the energy to power your solar panels comes from.

The tpu has a gyroscopic effect indicating a gravity interaction from a device made up mostly of wire.

Why immediately "gravity" ?
Our common experiences tell us that gyroscopic effects are caused by spinning masses.
It seems that the natural association of a gyroscopic effects would be with mass and rotation or spin.  The latter motions can be macroscopic or microscopic but macroscopic spin or rotation seem to be excluded because they are not observed in this system.

In a first TPU video SM turns the first TPU upside down and it stopped working.

This time, gravity forms a natural association with this behavior even if it influences mercury in a switch.
However gravity is not the only field that can influence a physical system when turned 180°.
Electric and magnetic fields (constant or varying) can also influence physical systems, e.g. as in FID, EdH, etc...  These fields affect matter's internals much more than gravity.
Moment of inertia during the turn can influence a mechanical system, too, but that is not an influence on matter's internals.

Considering the above, gravity is not the exclusive influencer nor the most plausible one.

...no free energy devices are possible, in my opinion.

Shall I cancel your membership then ?

[Cheappower2012]

Verpies,as for free energy I don't believe you can get something for nothing.
Most free energy devices try to get around some law,never has worked.
Do I believe you can  have a device that appears to be a free energy device
absolutely.I believe the tpu and Kapanadze device are as close to real
free energy devices as you can get.The concept of gravity as an energy
source is a bizarre concept never the less I believe this is the case,what do you
believe powers the tpu and the Kapanadze device.Whatever powers the Kapanadze
device is
very powerful the one in turkey was over 100kw.In fusion in the sun ,hydrogen
is combined into  helium the energy comes from the binding force since it
requires less energy to hold protons near each in helium,its given off as
excess energy,
energy was not created it was recycled,which is what the law says.
Matter into energy ,energy into matter your not creating energy only
recycling it.Well on the tpu turned upside down and turning off you maybe

right.On the Kapanadze device it clearly shows the 2kw heater turning off I believe
there was a clearer video made but can't find it.Whatever powers the Kapanadze
device has to be very close to the Kapanadze device whats closer than gravity to it.

[Verpies]

Verpies, as for free energy I don't believe you can get something for nothing.

Matter is not nothing.

Matter into energy ...
... you're not creating energy...

Correct, conversion is not creation  ...but I never mentioned creation, so why are you arguing against it ?

[Cheappower2012]

Verpies,There is no argument, energy can change its form into mass ,mass  can change
into energy.
I mentioned creation of energy as an argument against free energy since
energy can not be created or destroyed,it can only change its form.

[Cheappower2012]

This setup will pulse the toroid from 1 Hz to 11 Hz

adjustable.The aluminum platform that the SM toroid sits on
may play a part as the toroid creates eddy currents in an 

aluminum plate placed on top of the toroid in my set up.There

are other things needed to connect to the toroid to get a

possible effect,this setup is to investigate if there is an

effect.

[Cheappower2012]

Steven Mark had to,in my opinion used one of these 3 methods to pulse the toroid,in my opinion.I View the toroid like a transistor
,you need other parts to get it to work,likewise with the toroid.The magnetic field,a repulsive field at the cross section,I believe
has an effect on gravity,which I think is the source of the energy of the tpu.If I'm correct
the how to pulse the toroid is very important.I view
the tpu as a current amplifier.

1.Use a high current SCR they had them in the 1990's

2. Use a high current relay

3. Use a xenon strobe circuit,it works,but pulses are
weaker than other ways.


The strobe board ,I added  2, 100 mfd flash caps and reduced the value
of a resistor to get faster charging of the caps.
you can get a pulsing but its  weak.

The relay circuit,very strong pulses,I added a variable
pulse rate circuit.

One speculation is gravity is bent by the repulsive field of the
toroid,it is also fragmented,the bending causes the gravity field
to travel along the wire,causing a push, the gravity field is
fragmented,it can not push atoms.However it can push free electrons,as this gravity wave moves thru the wire,more and
more electrons are pushed,this causes a current increase,the
length of the wire plays a big part in the operation of
the tpu and the Kapanadze device.The current amplification happens
in the coil.In my opinion there is a close relationship
between gravity and magnetic fields,if you could bend
a gravity field could you not create a lifting force,pushing objects away from the earth into space.