TinMan's DOVADA

[Slider2732]

To expand away from a purely 100% true replication, there's nothing really wrong with a bunch of solar panels and I/R LED's all soaking up what's put out. As long as they don't interfere with the visual point of this device, LED's always lit.
To think of it another way - at the moment under my worktable 13W CFL are 5 devices all running. 1x dancing flower, the Forever Light, 2x calculator panel powered LED oscillators and a solar powered pulse motor. None of which impact the light available from the lamp !
Pic attached.
There's an idea that has been brewing along for a while that's related. That of making a lamp with a 1960's look to it, those ones with the bits of pottery of different sizes and shapes stuck to the side. In my design, they would be bits of solar panels. Solar panels can be soldered at any point and work. They all run their wires into the middle of the lamp base, through a circuit and a port near the base of the lamp has a USB connector on it. While the lamp runs in a livingroom, a person can charge their cellphone or run other USB gadgets, for free.
So, what i'm saying, is that recycling without impact is what the I/R LED is doing in the DOVADA device itself. As you said, you thought there were 3 LED's glowing at first


The BPC needs to be tuned to a resonance of the circuit. The final oscillation speed. In this case, if it's 1.42GHz that we need, then the coil must work at 1/4 wave or full wave. 1/4 wave will give a much easier set of criteria to work with. What would be nice, is a 7.8Hz sub harmonic, but that's a by the by.
You say there are inductors on board the device ? well in which case, they will resonate at that low microwave level.
The larger the BPC, the lower the resonant frequency.
The final coil is going to be tiny ! but, so are the inductors I presume, compared to the coil you are using at the moment.
In the last video, I showed a different BPC...wound from a few lengths of old telephone/PC modem cable. It is in fact 2 pancakes one on top of the other. What that leads to thoughts of, relates to your video of the one coil on top of the other and giving the highly interesting double trombone waveform.
Each coil need only be single filar, they become bifilar when one is put on top of the other.
Now...to link with the pic attached...see the dancing flower ? Take a look at say Brads video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2GArMKUSU4
He shows the coil very well. It offers a highly compact, professionally wound single filar coil of intense (and immense) power to size ratio - best thing out of China right now
You can see that coil on the motor that has zoomed around under my lamp for months.
Also, input energy is solar, wattage used for the whole oscillator is a little more than a flea fart !
Such toys should be available in Aus, I would imagine so. If not, they'll be only an Ebay order away i'm sure.
The Forever Light runs on ambient light, no need for the sun and runs 24/7 - all is related, all is included in thoughts of the operation of the DOVADA. No light, no problem, but any ambient standard light in any room and the abilities of output increase.
Noone thinks to put I/R LED's on devices. They mask solar panel type effects, there's no solar panel, but they receive I/R light just like a solar panel.

To verify, i'll take two of such coils (from dancing flowers bought recently) and do exactly what i'm wittering on about today... and test them

[TinMan]

Hi Chet
No floods on this side of the country,infact the last flood we had here was back in 1976.
We just have heat at the moment lol.

Slider-im looking forward to your next video,and i will be on the hunt for those toy's to raid them for bit's.
I bought my wife this swinging dolphin gismo about 10 years ago(a very expensive toy),and it is still swinging away 10 years later-never replaced the battery.
Infact i dont even know what type of battery it take's,as you have to dismantle the bottom to get to it(i asume)

Brad

[Slider2732]

Maybe it never does run out, maybe your step Dad made it LOL




The Dancing Flower coils:

I'll add to this post if noone else replies, but here are the findings so far.
Each coil - 420 ohms
Bifilar connected - 851 ohms

It's easy to see how such useful capacitance and resistance may be utilized with these things. They're air core too - completely ideal so far for BPC's.
Attached is a pic of the removal process, from the plastic they arrive glued to. Conventional wisdom says they should be left in situ, because the wires break. But, if you carefully bend one side of the plastics down, the coil can be gently lifted free of the plastic base.


Update
The coils were tried on the system, scoped and, something struck me as obvious.
They need to be ascertained with a microwave piece of kit !
If I may ask you Brad, did your Dad have such equipment at home or a lot of familiarity with higher range RF ?
What I saw wasn't too encouraging....but i'm basing that on criteria that have been developed when testing coils of low kHz resonance.
With no coil on the system, you get bright LED's and an approximate 50% drop in mA out to mA in.
With a good coil on the system, the LED's fade somewhat and you get the magic happening with the in/out readings.
A perfect coil should then dim the LED's a fair way, but result in a large enough increase in current anomaly to brighten the LED's again in the entrapment section.
Using the twin Dancing Flower coils, nothing seems different to having no coil on the end !!! which is all highly weird, because of the combined high ohm resistance. If nothing else, it should act as though a circa 1K resistor is shorting the output.
What does it mean ? is it good or is it bad ?
No idea yet.
In some regards no difference is really good news, the energy is passively transmitted and may be amplified at the correct frequency of running. On the other hand, they may just be rubbish on the system.

[TinMan]

Well he delt in everything you could think of in reguards to electronic's.
Im not to sure about those small coils with such a high resistance?
I asume the resonant frequency would go up in 2x ?
Eg-if the resonant frequency was say 2KHz,would the next frequency be 4KHz where it would once again resonate?-Air core of course.
Maybe the pyramid shape has something to do with it,as it would make sence that a coil shaped like that may have many different resonant frequencies.
Some sort of signal bounce may also be coming back of the ground plain plates aswell.
Maybe i will spend the time and build the pyramid coil to spec as is on the device,and see what that dose-when i get 5 minutes to myself.

You seem to be getting a bit further than me at the moment slider,as my time is very limited this time of year with the work that has to be done on the farm-on top of my normal day job.

[Itsu]

Maybe i will spend the time and build the pyramid coil to spec as is on the device,and see what that dose-when i get 5 minutes to myself.

You seem to be getting a bit further than me at the moment slider,as my time is very limited this time of year with the work that has to be done on the farm-on top of my normal day job.

Hi Tinman, i am following along with this thread and find it very interesting, but i agree with you there to start building this special "pyramid between ground plains" shaped coil instead of using a BPC you and slider are using right now.

I suspect that the magic (if any) comes from there.

But keep your priorities right and do the important stuff (work/farm) first.

Regards Itsu

[Slider2732]

Thanks for your post Itsu, am glad you are following

I agree about the micro coils...perhaps their true worth is in motors, not in harvesting at their resonant frequency. I couldn't find a resonant spot with these as paired in fact, but that would be the case if it sat much higher up the frequencies ladder !
Quite confusing, but was why I wondered about the microwave equipment.

Yes, the pyramid. I have some mains type gauge copper here, though also finer gauges if I hunt around. Turns, height etc would be needed. No idea why but I picture it being of mains cable type copper.
If anything, I might conduct experiments for you while busy Brad. I'd be glad to.
Just say what and i'll build it.

[TinMan]

Thanks for your post Itsu, am glad you are following

I agree about the micro coils...perhaps their true worth is in motors, not in harvesting at their resonant frequency. I couldn't find a resonant spot with these as paired in fact, but that would be the case if it sat much higher up the frequencies ladder !
Quite confusing, but was why I wondered about the microwave equipment.

Yes, the pyramid. I have some mains type gauge copper here, though also finer gauges if I hunt around. Turns, height etc would be needed. No idea why but I picture it being of mains cable type copper.
If anything, I might conduct experiments for you while busy Brad. I'd be glad to.
Just say what and i'll build it.

Hi slider
Just to throw a spanner in the work's-the wire that the pyramid is made from seems to be magnetic?Steel.
It is covered in a thin black cloth(i think)

[Slider2732]

Steel ! hmmm  

Does that relate to Tesla's findings of multi metal transformers I wonder.
http://www.google.com/patents/US381970?hl=en
This sort of thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNegZlHGHt0
In that video, I maybe linked 2 parts of the DOVADA without knowing, or at least was stepping into such areas unbeknown ?
1 part being the effects of a particular metal type upon the characteristics of a transformer device and the other being the capacitive link of the 2 plates that I believe you mentioned were under the pyramid.
Although I don't show the steel top windings on the video (hadn't wound them yet), the concept is there to investigate the properties of multi metal frequency interactions...more so as frequencies increase and a natural effect may take place that has been largely non investigated (to my knowledge).

The steel would resonate at a different natural frequency to copper.
Does this also relate to Ed Leedskalnin and his radio tuning circuits ? no idea.

All is maybe's and but's, but I hope to not seem oddball with that theory.

As a sidenote - could Patent 381970 apply to the Lockridge Device ? Sections of the armature producing different outputs for different needs of the generator. A small final excess in one tuned winding being present, that then is hetrodyned back into the powering coils, building up a capable output when fed through a large output capacitor.

[TinMan]

Hi Slider
I have started building the coil.
I am going to take my time with it so as i get it exactly the same as what is on the device.
Then i will add a couple of ground planes aswell-then it's just a matter of trying different thing's to see what happens.

[Slider2732]

 

Y'know those ground planes...does anything happen when 1 of them is actually grounded to an outside ground ?
Though, we wouldn't want to mess with it and have it quit with no restart !

[TinMan]

Y'know those ground planes...does anything happen when 1 of them is actually grounded to an outside ground ?
Though, we wouldn't want to mess with it and have it quit with no restart !

That is my biggest fear-it not restarting if i fool around with it and stop it some how.
I was even scared to put the scope on it.
I was thinking of placing a high ohm coil from a transformer(without the core) into the antena coil,and have to scope hooked to that-just to see what happen's.

[Slider2732]

Tell ya what...could you draw the device ?
I'm mentally picturing it, but may have scales and dimensions completely upside down or back to front.
I agree with you about simply showing it and blindly copying, we'd get nowhere in the understanding...but i'm not sure of much lol

I'll draw what I think it looks like and then you'll see (perhaps with a laugh) how far off my interpretation of the dimensions are. Perhaps then, with your drawing of it afterward, we can move forward in the real purposes and functions of the parts that make the whole thing.
In knowing though the rough shapings, i'll have a much better idea of function, as well as form
For example, I picture the receiving pyramid to be of about 8" wide at the top and of around 12 turns getting thinner to the bottom of it. That then connects to the 2 (capacitance) metal plates which are horizontal. The tuning coil sits under those, which sits in a glass/plastic tube. Off from there are the 2xLED and I/R diode.

[TinMan]

Tell ya what...could you draw the device ?
I'm mentally picturing it, but may have scales and dimensions completely upside down or back to front.
I agree with you about simply showing it and blindly copying, we'd get nowhere in the understanding...but i'm not sure of much lol

I'll draw what I think it looks like and then you'll see (perhaps with a laugh) how far off my interpretation of the dimensions are. Perhaps then, with your drawing of it afterward, we can move forward in the real purposes and functions of the parts that make the whole thing.
In knowing though the rough shapings, i'll have a much better idea of function, as well as form
For example, I picture the receiving pyramid to be of about 8" wide at the top and of around 12 turns getting thinner to the bottom of it. That then connects to the 2 (capacitance) metal plates which are horizontal. The tuning coil sits under those, which sits in a glass/plastic tube. Off from there are the 2xLED and I/R diode.

Hi slider
Are you guys still dealing with inches? lol. This is funny trying to deal in inches-it tokk me 10 minutes to find a tape in my workshop that has inches on it.
The bottom ring has a spacing of about 3 1/8 inches.The top ring is about 10 inches.
It would be 5 inches in hight,but it is not a straight pyramid shape.It kind of mushroom's out toward the top winding's(like a rose flower i guess)
It has two lots of 15 turn's-all of which are evenly spaced.
Now the end(or top) of one winding and the start or the other winding go's to one ground plane.There is a diode and the coil within the tube that is between the two ground plane's-there conection i guess.But this is not under the coil-antena.The antena-coil and ground plane's are to one side of the board,and the rest of the system is to the other side.
The two remaining (start and end) go of into the circuit,along with the other ground plane.
This is why i thought of the BPC as a base for doing some testing-it seems to be the same sort of setup.

I am trying to build a replica of the coil,but i have so much other work on-im finding it hard just to get an hour to myself at the moment.
I am so glade to have you looking into this ,and spending the time on it.
In saying that,i wish i could just show you the system as it is-butmy moral's and heart felt feelings for my dad just arnt alowing me to do this at the moment.

I will be talking with Chet about the situation at hand shortly in reguard's to how this thread continue's-as in where it continue's.
If things can be altered a bit,then my feelings may change.
I guess it come's down to who is actualy interested in what im trying to share-and so far that would be only you and chet by the look's.

I would rather get the replication finished on the antena-coil-and make a video for you with a tape in hand,as im realy crap at drawing.

[PhysicsProf]

I'm interested, my friend!  Just catching up here after my illness...

[PhysicsProf]

One of the most intriguing vids (Lower Voltage) I've seen in a while -- thanks, Slider!
Interesting that the two BPC's give differing results.

A few comments/questions.
You note the input current reads 0.00A while the output current reads 0.01A (with the "better" BPC).
This is exciting, but my concern is that you are right at the limit of the meters, in the final digit.  Could you go to a more sensitive scale?

Also, is the output DC ? --  if not, does the output meter read the output current accurately?  can we trust it?

So my request would be -- please put your new oscilloscope on the input (say, voltage across a resistor) and vid that, then put it on the output and record that.  The waveforms might tell us a lot.

Thanks again for intriguing work!  I can see why you are enthusiastic about TinMan's work (and his Dad's!)
I recall Tesla was trying to transmit energy wirelessly also... I'm sure you guys have thought of that parallel to what you are doing.  Good work both of you!

Steve

Lower input voltage:

It struck me, that 9V was going in the front end. Well, we could use a 7805 regulator or similar to bring that to a better input voltage, but, we could also use another oscillator all together.
What would the circuit do at a lower voltage in any case ? would the pancake still perform well ?
I took a circuit from a normally water powered oscillator (a 1Meg resistor/0.1uF cap, tank based blocking oscillator) and used that as the pulse source...power is from a 1.2V Ni-MH.

The input meter shows zero, the output meter shows 10mA.
While not strictly keeping to the circuit dynamics, the output is shown by way of an LED on the wireless pancake coil that was shown earllier.
The LED's on the TinMan circuit don't come on, but the input is really really low.
Another, twin pancake, was found to develop more horsepower than the usual circuit one.

So that's maybe twice that the anomalous output current has been seen and i'm aiming to increase that output now, while further refining the input oscillator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_yFwo37GQM

[Groundloop]

Tinman,

>>I guess it come's down to who is actually interested in what I'm trying to share-and so far that would be only you and Chet by the look's.

Is it possible for you to take some good pictures of the device and post them here on the forum?

Groundloop.

[Itsu]

I guess it come's down to who is actualy interested in what im trying to share-and so far that would be only you and chet by the look's.

Hi TM,

i also want to state that i am following along, but as said before the coil/antenna would be the important part in my view.
With all the info you have provided up till now i made this drawing, please comment on it as much as possible.

Regards Itsu

[TinMan]

Well first time posting pic's,so here we go.
This is how the arial/coil is setup.
Hope this helps out a bit-some how.

[Chet K]

First time Huh??

Like a fish to water then 

Nice job!!
thx
Chet
PS
@itsu seems to have a gift for putting thought to paper too [uncanny similarity]

[Slider2732]

Indeed, Itsu's interpretation was great !

Thanks Brad
OK, so what I see there is a Quantum vacuum energy spiral vortex cannon, with linear integrating torus moded bifilar resonance riser.
Or, this:

 

Nah, what I really see is a version of the BPC, extended upward into one of Tesla's conical towers. The reasons for doing so are apparently to decrease the phase cancellations that 2 wires in close proximity can give rise to. Always within pancake coils and from my experience, there needs to be a gap between 1 conductor and the next. In a Tesla tower we get away with the gap being formed by 2 lots of enamel covering over magnet wire. Even the tightest windings will always have that double insulation between copper turns.
A pancake resonates normally at a lower speed...if you check the resonant frequency of 2 comparable systems, one of a BPC and another of a traditional tower, you should find that the tower has a much higher resonant frequency. Typically, a pills bottle tower will be at around 2MHz  and a pancake some 100's of kHz.
A resonant rise however is how I see the coil of the DOVADA operating.

Tesla's conical towers were allegedly used on the USS Eldridge, if so then that's good enough for me
Conical shaping also leads into pyramid studies and all that goes with that leads into very much sideband study area.

When a cone is inserted into a Tesla tower, such that it's the Primary, there has to be a spot or several spots up and down that diameter where the capacitance is highest, where the resonance is most. As you know, i've wound some very dodgy looking conicals in my time and yet they nearly always give a great performance. They have to be right somewhere along their windings !

The very middle of a BPC is where all the electro-magnetic action focuses. Remove that central area and you have a coil which can distribute the effects without a focal point that drains all extra energies into a focus. Normally that focus is wished for to display wireless energy, but what if we don't want the energy to escape ?  - well that's my theory.

Consider also the attached, a BPC of traditional winding, sat in Tesla's lab. Take away the lighter (removable ?) central section and pull that BPC outward from the wall. You have an approximation of the shaping of the DOVADA coil.

[Itsu]

Hi All,

i noticed a PHI (1.618) relationship between the dimensions of the coil:
(base) 3.125 inch x PHI (1.618) = 5.05 inch (height)

Top (10 inch) is then 2x this base x phi relationship.

Also the ground plains being 6 inch x 10 inch:

6 inch x PHI (1.618) = 9.7 inch

looking at the trumpet shape of this coil, i found this picture based on PHI:

http://people.tribe.net/c8d7e521-fb6b-480a-b20b-f6518aa2e45b/blog/5197e44d-0559-49a9-8283-33d9916a9c53

Any thoughts?

Regards itsu

[Chet K]

itsu
The Nuts and bolts of it would seem a collecter ,to gather ,enhance and Focus towards the  plates
To focus a Potential?[your drawing even more so]

Maybe a swirl is happening?

I remember during some of the TPU builds fellows were taking extra light weight Foils and hanging them in spots ,and Super fine metal Dust [powder]and trying creative ways to show some sort of Flow?[and they did]

Maybe there is also a way to observe changes in the environment around the device [static?]
Hang super fine foil of different charge potential,move slowly around ?
silly thought even "pressure"[How to check?]. also some really good Temp readings at different points would be good to check.

Fun stuff
Thx
Chet

[TinMan]

Hi All,

i noticed a PHI (1.618) relationship between the dimensions of the coil:
(base) 3.125 inch x PHI (1.618) = 5.05 inch (height)

Top (10 inch) is then 2x this base x phi relationship.

Also the ground plains being 6 inch x 10 inch:

6 inch x PHI (1.618) = 9.7 inch

looking at the trumpet shape of this coil, i found this picture based on PHI:

http://people.tribe.net/c8d7e521-fb6b-480a-b20b-f6518aa2e45b/blog/5197e44d-0559-49a9-8283-33d9916a9c53

Any thoughts?

Regards itsu

Ok -well im lost.
I have never heard of this PHI stuff befor.
Is there anything speacial about it?

[Itsu]

Ok -well im lost.
I have never heard of this PHI stuff befor.
Is there anything speacial about it?

Well, it was new to me to since a few weeks ago, then i looked into it triggered by another forum thread.
PHI is concidered to be the Golden Ratio of nature, just google PHI and/or Golden Ratio and you will find many hits, like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

Or to keep it more in our line of thinking:

http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Electromagnetic_Coils

under:  Tripolar Solenoidal

Regards Itsu

[Slider2732]

  PHI  

Yes of course !
Luckily (for me in this thread), i've been along those routes for a while now, that and Pi and the Fibonacci series and various esoteric alignments.
For example, here's something perplexing -
Was talking to my wife about various alignments and how experimenters are sometimes needed in the presence of a device for it to work. The usual thought is that the guy is there to flick a hidden switch or give a nod at the right time to an undisclosed helper. But, what if some of this is frequency responsive.
Anyway, she commented about the direction that my workbench faces - East
Commented on the direction I face when shooting videos in the utility room - East
We then realised that the direction of my workbench when we lived in Minnesota was - East
And, when I would use the kitchen table, with 4 chairs around it, for electrical stuff, I sat in the chair that faced - East !!!
Just about knocked me over to realise that and I probably nearly fell over toward the....East  

OK, so 1.618, the Golden Mean or Golden Ratio.
Snail shells have it, plants have it, classical era painters painted by it, ancient architects architected with it !
Check out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZvGbjeUymo

See, the Golden Ratio and Pi can never be solved. The energy of a system that can never be reduced to a zero is a system that won't find a reduction to zero. Entropy !
It will run and run because the stop is a finite and the equations/mathematics of the device state that it can't stop.
Real equations, natural equations will dictate a harmony based on misbalance, not balance.