TinMan's DOVADA

[Groundloop]

Tinman,

Do you have a photo of the device for upload here?

GL.

[Chet K]

GL
I know you asked this before ,This Device is an heirloom to Brads family,his comfort Zone for sharing this "picture" of his fathers
work before he understands how it works himself is a most difficult and personal area for him to be in.
and a hard choice to make.


A tuff spot indeed.........

Brads initial post
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It would be easy for me just to show the device and let others try to work out how it function's,but i feel it would also be wrong of me as this was my dad's life work.
So as i am unable to solve the questions that come with this setup myself,i thought it would make for an interesting project for all that are interested in my dad's work.

If anyone here would like a copy of my dad's book,then just email me on my private email-and i will email a copy of the book as a file attachment.
As i am under the understanding that all material posted here stays within our groupe until such time as we see fit to disclose our reserch as a whole,then i am happy to share his work with you all.
The condition on my open forum is that those who would like a copy of the book,is that it remains with them and not be shared open sorce.

My email is   sidewinder350@westnet.com.au

Brad

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So we try to help a bit from the outside ,with a step by step look see??

one thing I wanted to ask Brad was about detecting ""emissions"" from certain parts?
there are small elements that can run small loads for quite some time,To rule this out would be a good path!

Thx for being here GL!!

Chet

[Groundloop]

GL
I know you asked this before ,This Device is an heirloom to Brads family,his comfort Zone for sharing this "picture" of his fathers
work before he understands how it works himself is a most difficult and personal area for him to be in.
and a hard choice to make.


A tuff spot indeed.........

Brads initial post
Quote

It would be easy for me just to show the device and let others try to work out how it function's,but i feel it would also be wrong of me as this was my dad's life work.
So as i am unable to solve the questions that come with this setup myself,i thought it would make for an interesting project for all that are interested in my dad's work.

If anyone here would like a copy of my dad's book,then just email me on my private email-and i will email a copy of the book as a file attachment.
As i am under the understanding that all material posted here stays within our groupe until such time as we see fit to disclose our reserch as a whole,then i am happy to share his work with you all.
The condition on my open forum is that those who would like a copy of the book,is that it remains with them and not be shared open sorce.

My email is   sidewinder350@westnet.com.au

Brad

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So we try to help a bit from the outside ,with a step by step look see??

one thing I wanted to ask Brad was about detecting ""emissions"" from certain parts?
there are small elements that can run small loads for quite some time,To rule this out would be a good path!

Thx for being here GL!!

Chet

Chet,

I understand. I have sent Tinman an email.

GL.

[Itsu]

Hi Tinman,

i was playing around with some garden lights.

When i covered the solar panel with my hand, there is a kind of in between state where the little 4-legged control chip switches between loading the battery or lightning the led.

In this in between state, i saw this "tapering off" kind of signal like you were showing on your video's.

Guess its like Tinselkoala said in one of his posts some syncing problem of your scope showing both the 300Khz signal and the "tapering off" signal.

Anyway, fun stuff, and i hope you will continue showing some part of the DOVADA circuit.

Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvTJfKUeVPo&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

[Slider2732]

Enjoyed that video
There are a couple of different 4 legged chips, mine have tended to be 5252F from the Westinghouse branded solar lights.
Some seen in our local Dollar Tree may be of a different type. I wonder if they are the same functionally or does just one type show the ring down effect.
That the ring occurs with partial covering would seem to suggest the circuit being unsure whether to switch on or off, a partial state of both and the chip having to make a decision. But it's not a sharp on or off, it's something else and that intrigues.
Wonder what the circuit actually is on that chip, though it's a Joule Thief. I do know though that changing out your (what looks like) 150uH axial inductor for a larger value will further brighten the LED output. Moving upward in inductor appears not to impact the run time, just makes it more efficient. Mine only run for a couple of hours though and i'm always bemused when seeing other peoples lit up past midnight...even took a car trip out one time at 2am to see whos solar lights were still on !

Those tubes look mighty interesting for Mike's circuit ! I still have some of them, thinking they may be useful some day 
They have brown paint on though, do you know of a way to remove it, perhaps with heating or something ?

[Itsu]

They have brown paint on though, do you know of a way to remove it, perhaps with heating or something ?

Hmmm, guess the best way would be to sand it down by hand.   
That way you keep the best control over the process and keep the damage minimal.

Regards Itsu

[Slider2732]

Cheers, I think i'll do that. If they work as outer steel and say windchime stainless as the inners, it could make hoped for replicated production units a decent avenue. Either that, or there'd be much jingling heard and solar panels all over the workbench.

Anyhow, back to this topic
Do you think the solar circuit could output to the 2xLED and I/R LED in the middle ?
Perhaps there are tuning possibilities like that, while looking for a steady wacky trace with the trumpet type waveform. It may open up a replication to components a lot more readily available than might have been.
If we see that as the oscillator and final output, then we can focus on the topping up with the Hydrogen resonant antenna.
That's how I see it....


While looking for a solar circuit around the work area, i've found one with a DT803 4 legged chip on it...wasn't expecting that.

[Groundloop]

Enjoyed that video
There are a couple of different 4 legged chips, mine have tended to be 5252F from the Westinghouse branded solar lights.
Some seen in our local Dollar Tree may be of a different type. I wonder if they are the same functionally or does just one type show the ring down effect.
That the ring occurs with partial covering would seem to suggest the circuit being unsure whether to switch on or off, a partial state of both and the chip having to make a decision. But it's not a sharp on or off, it's something else and that intrigues.
Wonder what the circuit actually is on that chip, though it's a Joule Thief. I do know though that changing out your (what looks like) 150uH axial inductor for a larger value will further brighten the LED output. Moving upward in inductor appears not to impact the run time, just makes it more efficient. Mine only run for a couple of hours though and i'm always bemused when seeing other peoples lit up past midnight...even took a car trip out one time at 2am to see whos solar lights were still on !

Those tubes look mighty interesting for Mike's circuit ! I still have some of them, thinking they may be useful some day 
They have brown paint on though, do you know of a way to remove it, perhaps with heating or something ?

http://www.prema.com/Application/pr4403_e.html

[Slider2732]

Thanks Groundloop
Looking at the datasheet right now.

Looking earlier at the chip again, it's a D1803. With 40mAh Ni-MH button type battery on the circuit board and a 180uH inductor.

Aha!
"4.7-6.8μH: two white LEDs in parallel"



Just a random thought, but, was looking for all the gossip about the Pope retiring and stayed on for some entertaining reading at ATS: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread925290/pg1
Not a member there, but they have some interesting posts.This one was about Indian Vimana.
"When the Daityas were being slaughtered they again took to their vimana and, employing the Danava science, flew up into the sky" The Mahabharata text"
Danava, Dovada ?  fits the possibilities of a hugely scaled up energy source

Reading on, the Mayan people were apparently the Danava. Ah well, may an' may not be anything.

[TinMan]

Hi Guy's
Just some info for you all.The name DOVADA was derived from the first letter of the first name of all the team members that formed the company DOVADA.

So here is a little something to try with that solar garden light circuit.
Remove the inductor from the circuit.
conect the inductor input to a BPC center tap.
On each end of the BPC place an LED-1 LED with the positive leg on one end of the BPC,and 1 LED with the negative on the remaining leg of the BPC.
The two open legs of the LED's then go to ground on the circuit.
Let me know what you find?

The garden light circuit was my only my attempt at replicating what i thought to be the tuning part of the circuit???

Been a tad bit hectic here in the last few week's,but looks like some sort of normality is just around the corner.
So im hopeing to get my antena finished soon.

[Chet K]

Lots of interesting things going on here.
Have you fellahs seen this ?
http://www.energeticforum.com/announcements-news/13410-nrglab-promotes-sh-boxes-alternative-solar-energy.html#post223980

Thx
Chet

[Slider2732]

@TinMan - Glad to hear things are going well. I preferred the mystical link lol, but knowing about the names is quite cool.
Wonder what it would be for us guys. Could that be an option for a derivative name for our own little project here ? It would keep the theme

Will have a go at the BPC method.
First am troubleshooting another build of the SMD electrolysis circuit to not be a 'one shot'. No idea what 's up with it. Duty cycle and frequency will change the flash, but there's only one flash then it stops.


@Chet - Yeah. Ya know the salts cell I made yesterday in another thread, it was to have been a copy of their individual cells. The square shape, size etc. For some reason they are getting 'out there' and I support that....very clever advertising going on.

[Itsu]

Hi Guy's

Remove the inductor from the circuit.
conect the inductor input to a BPC center tap.
On each end of the BPC place an LED-1 LED with the positive leg on one end of the BPC,and 1 LED with the negative on the remaining leg of the BPC.
The two open legs of the LED's then go to ground on the circuit.
Let me know what you find?

@All,
rather busy with work/prived stuff lately, but still working on the DOVADA circuit as mentioned by Tinman.

Made a BPC coil out of double speaker wire, which makes it kind of flexible.
I can put the 2 speaker wires parallel, so having a normal (double) BPC, or i can put the both wires from each double speaker wire in series, either normal series or in bucking mode.

Anyway, in normal parallel BPC mode its 129uH, and self resonant on 702Khz.

Will incorporate it into the little solarpanel circuit as per Tinmans direction.

Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueS4arJFg6Y&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

[TinMan]

Hi Itsu
nice coil,but im not sure how that one being so large will work.
But give it a try when you can,and let us know.

Tinman

[Itsu]

Hi Guy's

So here is a little something to try with that solar garden light circuit.
Remove the inductor from the circuit.
conect the inductor input to a BPC center tap.
On each end of the BPC place an LED-1 LED with the positive leg on one end of the BPC,and 1 LED with the negative on the remaining leg of the BPC.
The two open legs of the LED's then go to ground on the circuit.
Let me know what you find?

OK,  used my big BPC, first only instead of the inductor and it lit the one led normally.

Then i followed your above instructions (i understand with: "conect the inductor input to a BPC center tap" you mean to connect to the inductor input of the 4 legged chip, Right?).


Well, nothing happens, none of the leds light up, scope shows no pulsing, just 1.2V.

I guess thats normal as now we have no + on the inductor (BPC now), so no + on the "conductor input" leg of the chip.

Maybe i am interpreting your instructions wrongly (i tried severall things though), so please could you make a drawing on how you like to have those 2 leds and BPC connected up.

Does it work with you?

Regards Itsu

[Slider2732]

Nice BPC Itsu. Every coil needs separation between the turns and the speaker wire coating offers an almost 1 to 1 wire to coating, when 2 turns are placed together.
The resonance can be ball parked, as you probably know. It relates in fact to Lester Hendershot and how he could intuitively wind basket weave coils for particular resonant frequencies.
3" will be 2MHz ballpark, 1ft will be 200kHz ballpark etc.


Flailing somewhat here with the garden light circuit. The one I found doesn't work. The onboard battery charges, but there's no output. I know I had one that never did work, wondering if this is that one. Looking for another.

[Centraflow]

Thought this might be right here

http://www.lighting.co.uk/news/mit-creates-led-that-cools-its-surrounding-environment/8627537.article

Mike

[TinMan]

@ Centraflow
Thanks for that video,it was most interesting.

On a not so good note:
After a phone call from another member of the freedom energy group tonigh,my input on the DOVADA device will cease.
It seems we have a business man amoungst us on freedom energy.
What is good to know is it isnt any of the guys working along side me on this project.
At this point in time,i am happy that i have not shown the device,but it was soon comeing.
If the person in question would care to email me,and explain his intentions to me,then if i am happy with the outcome-i will continue to share this work of my fathers.

To the guys that have been helping out with the development of this device-i give my sincere appologies.
I was under the understanding that what go's on at freedom energy was safe until we as a team decided to place it out there into the land of the living.
But until this issue is sorted,i cannot go any further with this thread.

Brad

[Itsu]

Oeps, that's a bummer Brad, but quite understandable, please do what you think you must do.
I hope however, it will be sorted out soon, until then i continue with some other projects.

Regards Itsu

[PhysicsProf]

  Brad, I understand and appreciate your efforts.  

 Elsewhere, we have discussed "paths" that could be taken with a novel-energy invention in hand.  Two main paths IMHO, to summarize briefly:

1.  Seek a patent/ sell-out to Big Energy -- the inventor MIGHT get the beaucoup bucks, but the invention and probably the inventor are silenced/ shelved indefinitely while the pillaging barons retain monopoly on energy they "own and sell".

2.  Seek to develop and test the device to be sure of ou, then proceed with building MANY hundreds.  Distributed manufacture with friends throughout the world (not just one country or one controlling corporation!!); makers provide fair royalties to the inventor by signed agreements.  Build steadily -- but keep it low-key and "hobby/research level" for a while, with much going to 3rd world if possible!
At some point in time, the availability of the new energy is announced via local media by many, and in many countries, simultaneously.  The idea is given to the masses.

I strongly recommend along the lines of 2), not 1).

[Slider2732]

Awww man that sucks, as they say.
I can easily imagine though a different set of circumstances and hope is the case. Perhaps more that they jumped a couple of steps ahead and wondered about your longer term goals with the device or derivatives.

[Magluvin]

  Brad, I understand and appreciate your efforts. 

  Elsewhere, we have discussed "paths" that could be taken with a novel-energy invention in hand.  Two main paths IMHO, to summarize briefly:

1.  Seek a patent/ sell-out to Big Energy -- the inventor MIGHT get the beaucoup bucks, but the invention and probably the inventor are silenced/ shelved indefinitely while the pillaging barons retain monopoly on energy they "own and sell".

2.  Seek to develop and test the device to be sure of ou, then proceed with building MANY hundreds.  Distributed manufacture with friends throughout the world (not just one country or one controlling corporation!!); makers provide fair royalties to the inventor by signed agreements.  Build steadily -- but keep it low-key and "hobby/research level" for a while, with much going to 3rd world if possible!
At some point in time, the availability of the new energy is announced via local media by many, and in many countries, simultaneously.  The idea is given to the masses.

I would go with option 2.  Build as many as possible, quietly. The distribution part I believe needs to happen quickly. Some being distributed to, may have alternative plans for the device, as is being suspected of here, in these supposed private threads. But at least many good people will get it before it is possibly squashed. The slower it goes out, the easier it can be stopped by any means.

It will be hard to get some to pay the royalties, if things are kept on the down low.  Like, " Your Honor, they have not kept their agreement in paying royalties for the secret sales of and invention that we cannot tell you about."  It would be a strange happening.  Just one rough example.

Being that these graphene ideas are already in play out there, the only idea that should be kept quiet is Mikes process. What is done with the graphene is whooptidoo. I think.

Open source, I suppose can have varying definitions or conditions.

What scares me about choice No. 1, if the device is OU or way beyond the next best battery, "THEY" will find a way to instill limitations and expiration dates. Like the light bulb, hammered down to under 1000 hours. They will not produce eternal batteries, or even ones that last more than 20 years. If "THEY" get their hands on an idea or device that is clearly an infinite or super long term device, it 'will' be hammered down to a disposable, replaceable( mo money, mo money) 'battery' as we know them today, and the true essence of the original will be easily forgotten, because it was kept from public knowledge.

Mags

[Slider2732]

Your Honor, they have not kept their agreement in paying royalties for the secret sales of and invention that we cannot tell you about.

Really did laugh out loud, quite true though.

A hook would be one method to work around that. As in, Phase 2 will be along in several weeks and offer an upgrade to the power output. Those who donate more than X amount can receive that upgrade.


Another thing to note - how do any nefarious types know that this is the only place where said invention is being discussed. There is no way of knowing how many are already out there....no way of judging, realistically, the reasons for having this conversation in this manner. Except, because the belief would be that we are discussing privately and they are eavesdropping without us already knowing.
It's almost as though they would believe we are discussing real time.
Did I really type "Phase 2 will be along in several weeks"...guess I did

[TinMan]

It is my hope that the person that called me will get it sorted soon.
But we have spoken of other options aswell in reguards to the continuation of the work here.

@ slider
Quote: Phase 2 will be along in several weeks ?

That is an interesting statement,whith a touch of excitment-what have you done? lol.