Honey Pot

[BEP]

A modified version of words from another OUR member:
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If all of us just sat back and left the likes of <Insert Handle> to preach away unimpeded it would certainly run smoother for him/her, but this forum would become pretty stagnant, mind-numbingly boring and pretty pointless. Furthermore, you and the other do-gooders would have very little to pick at, so there... nah-nah-na-nah-nah!
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Remember 'relativity'? The thoughts above can be considered a view from one stance. I think the current state is already the result listed above. It isn't the result of repeated blathering of obviously poor experimental results. Quite the contrary.

It is obvious that the educational, informative, compelling or otherwise enjoyable discussions are a bit thin because there aren't enough honey pots to draw the little buzzing pests away.


So.........., I submit another honey pot   

[Chet K]

Oh you shouldn't have.....

SIGH...........
Alas you have quoted the words of that temptress from Cyberspace,She has smitten me with her Taunts in the past
a most inexplicable attraction !

I am so glad you started this thread ...... When I saw AC crooning sweet nothings her way it caused me to reflect...
However the Medication helps me get thru those weak moments now...

And then I remembered I had something for Valentines day ,and also to ask her for another 8x10 glossy
the last one is almost all gone [those darts just make a real mess of things].

Happy belated Valentines Day Farrah
I actually have missed you.............

Chet
PS
BEP
Tell "Larry" I'm sorry for Dissin his "Guarenteed thread"!

[BEP]

I'm not saying FD does all the buzzing. Her words were just so applicable to both views with a little modification  

Sometimes I think Larry is the most intelligent among us. Perhaps, he is just doing us a favor by keeping us busy 

[giantkiller]

The stun gun is Telsa'd pistol shrimp.

[exnihiloest]

A modified version of words from another OUR member:
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If all of us just sat back and left the likes of <Insert Handle> to preach away unimpeded it would certainly run smoother for him/her, but this forum would become pretty stagnant, mind-numbingly boring and pretty pointless. Furthermore, you and the other do-gooders would have very little to pick at, so there... nah-nah-na-nah-nah!
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Remember 'relativity'?
...

Spreading thoughts is not enough, even the idiots have thoughts. We have to select the rare ones that are relevant, and this is a hard work that requires efforts. Einstein worked, collaborated with mathematicians, he had no prejudice like "I know the free energy is there, I know this and I can see this" and so, he challenged its own thoughts and could formalize intelligibly his theory that is refutable because scientifical.
When such a document is then submitted to others, it can be discussed positively, positively meaning "operationnally", what doesn't prevent critics and objections. It's the same thing when you propose experiments: they must be well defined, with the schematics, the measurement protocol and the data otherwise they are indisputable.
Unfortunately here, too many "unthinking thoughts" or "vague experimental setups" are passed back and forth without intellectual requirement, and consequently "the educational, informative, compelling or otherwise enjoyable discussions" are impossible in this frame.

[Chet K]

EX
Pipe dreams often start with a puff on the peace pipe.
At times you seem like a pipe dream,On one level you make complete sense ,DO IT RIGHT OR DON"T DO IT AT ALL

However on another level you make No sense ["WHY DO ALL THESE IDIOTS WANT TO GIVE IT AWAY"]

Are you a business man asking others to "do it right" so you can start a business?

Can you give me the other option you must have somewhere but not shared?

?
Thx
Chet

[bte]

Oh you shouldn't have.....

SIGH...........
Alas you have quoted the words of that temptress from Cyberspace,She has smitten me with her Taunts in the past
a most inexplicable attraction !

I am so glad you started this thread ...... When I saw AC crooning sweet nothings her way it caused me to reflect...
However the Medication helps me get thru those weak moments now...

And then I remembered I had something for Valentines day ,and also to ask her for another 8x10 glossy
the last one is almost all gone [those darts just make a real mess of things].

Happy belated Valentines Day Farrah
I actually have missed you.............

Chet
PS
BEP
Tell "Larry" I'm sorry for Dissin his "Guarenteed thread"!

Crooning sweet nothings...that phrase reminds me of something, but I can't put my finger on it. Might have been from a book I read.

[TinMan]

Confirmation of Thane C. Heins' Effect  by Naudin--more honey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CHarADVzac

[exnihiloest]

@ramset

After decades of claims of free energy machines and not one being successfully duplicated, such claimers must be treated for what they are: liars.
If they affirm they have OU without at least a third party duplication or without giving all needed informations for a third party duplication, I consider that they are harmful charlatans. It doesn't a matter that they deceive the others consciously or by self-complacency.
These guys and their followers hate to be contradicted, they hate the free speech, they treat their contradictors with contempt, they don't answer the objections, they would like monopolize Internet to spread their nonsenses without opposition. When they are challenged and have the power to oust their contradictors, for instance by banning them from a forum, they do it. So they must be fought without pity, they are only pretentious and useless prophets, version third millennium, exploiting the human credulity for money or for their self-satisfaction, this one of an idiot wanting to feel a great inventor.

[exnihiloest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CHarADVzac

"when the BiTT v1.5 gives 2.8 Watt at the outputs, there is no additional power consummed at the primary input": always the same mistake. The load is receiving the power that otherwise is wasted in joule or iron losses.

"the BiTT primary is isolated from the secondary on-load induced flux": that's false. Connect a signal to the secondary, you will see a signal at the primary.

The general mistake consists in reasoning with ideal components, i.e. to oversimplify the equivalent schematic, while the effect is only due to the fact that the components are not ideal!  

[TinMan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CHarADVzac

"when the BiTT v1.5 gives 2.8 Watt at the outputs, there is no additional power consummed at the primary input": always the same mistake. The load is receiving the power that otherwise is wasted in joule or iron losses.

"the BiTT primary is isolated from the secondary on-load induced flux": that's false. Connect a signal to the secondary, you will see a signal at the primary.

The general mistake consists in reasoning with ideal components, i.e. to oversimplify the equivalent schematic, while the effect is only due to the fact that the components are not ideal!  

So we could look at this like this.
The core is burning off energy,and by adding a load to the secondary-we are simply useing some of that energy that the core is burning off-thus haveing no effect on the input to the primary coil.
I have often seen these situations in the so called lenzless generator's,where they show an increase in RPM with a decrease in amp draw to the prime mover when a load is applied to the generator coil.
What they fail to understand is that if they removed the generator coil altogether,they would see a higher RPM and a larger drop in current draw to the prime mover-due to the fact that the magnetic drag from the iron core in the generator coil has been removed.

[exnihiloest]

I agree, tinman. Same principle with the increasing speed.
They compare the power of two different setups, one with a load, the other without!
Only the ratio power Out/power In of the same and one setup is significant.

[Chet K]

EX
My comment was 100% in agreement with your ideology regarding strait forward test protocol etc etc.....

the other comment was really a question more directed at this attitude -> ["WHY DO ALL THESE IDIOTS WANT TO GIVE IT AWAY"]

?

"""Are you a business man asking others to "do it right" so you can start a business?

     Can you give me the other option you must have somewhere but not shared?""""

?
Thx
Chet

[muDped]

After decades of claims of free energy machines and
not one being successfully duplicated, such claimers
must be treated for what they are: liars.

They are not (in many cases) lying or attempting to
deceive because the excess energy manifestation
(or free energy) is very real;  they really do not know
how or why it manifests.  That the machines cannot
be duplicated or replicated (the excess energy aspect)
is very true.  But once one understands where the
excess energy comes from this makes perfect sense.
The energy is not coming from the machine.

If they affirm they have OU without at least a third
party duplication or without giving all needed
informations for a third party duplication, I consider
that they are harmful charlatans. It doesn't a matter
that they deceive the others consciously or by self-
complacency.

In many cases the excess energy has been verified
with the original device by qualified observers.  Third
party duplication has not been successful within the
public domain.  Not all are charlatans;  some report
honestly what has been observed but are at a loss to
offer any meaningful explanations.  It is mysterious
and baffling.

These guys and their followers hate to be contradicted,
they hate the free speech, they treat their contradictors
with contempt, they don't answer the objections, they
would like monopolize Internet to spread their nonsenses
without opposition. When they are challenged and have
the power to oust their contradictors, for instance by
banning them from a forum, they do it. So they must be
fought without pity, they are only pretentious and useless
prophets, version third millennium, exploiting the human
credulity for money or for their self-satisfaction, this one of
an idiot wanting to feel a great inventor.

That is true.  A cult following has come into existence around
some of the charlatans who are exploiting human curiosity
and gullible "newbies."  They do tend to be dogmatic, protectively
defensive of their "guru" and do take steps to minimize or silence
those who would shed light on their error.

No matter.  In the end Truth will win out.  The mystery of Free Energy
will be revealed to the shock and dismay of the great many.

[TinMan]

That is true.  A cult following has come into existence around
some of the charlatans who are exploiting human curiosity
and gullible "newbies."  They do tend to be dogmatic, protectively
defensive of their "guru" and do take steps to minimize or silence
those who would shed light on their error.

I know first hand how this work's,and as i found out-DONT show them there errors
All i will say is that the polotic's invloved there were like narzzie germany-follow me or be exiled from the thread.

[exnihiloest]

...
they really do not know how or why it manifests.
...

Nothing manifests.

Translation:
"they really do not know nor understand the ordinary phenomena that they take for magic OU events"

[exnihiloest]

Ex, you know as well as most of the rest of us i am sure, that some OU devices have even been patented,

You know as well as most of the rest of us i am sure, that patented devices are not verified by the patent office.
In the patents, we can even find an intergalactic flying saucer.

which puts pay to the "if they build it, we will kill them" in some way.

!

We also know, on public record, of energy inventions that are deemed "dangerous to national security".
In any reasonable mind there can be no doubt that OU devices have been built, and that OU itself is a misgnomer.
Reactive power is an invention of the bankers' mathematicians ;+}

Profession of faith.
OU devices have not been built.
Reactive power is not a usable power.
Or must I suppose that you make freely your own electricity at home?

[TinMan]

Profession of faith.
OU devices have not been built.
Reactive power is not a usable power.
Or must I suppose that you make freely your own electricity at home?

I make freely my own power at home,avalible 24 hours a day,365 days a year-come rain ,hail or shine.
It's not rocket science you know.

[giantkiller]

I make freely my own power at home,avalible 24 hours a day,365 days a year-come rain ,hail or shine.
It's not rocket science you know.

Expound please! Before Zardoz deems you not worthy of existence...

Otherwise,
Hold thy tongue knave least ye looseth it promptly. We will have no talk of that here in fiefdom. Such speak as this has no place amongst the wizards of eternal combustion.
May the vectors of heterodyned eclipses keep you safe from the spark of such wisdom.

Now run along and rub two sticks together.

[TinMan]

Expound please! Before Zardoz deems you not worthy of existence...

Otherwise,
Hold thy tongue knave least ye looseth it promptly. We will have no talk of that here in fiefdom. Such speak as this has no place amongst the wizards of eternal combustion.
May the vectors of heterodyned eclipses keep you safe from the spark of such wisdom.

Now run along and rub two sticks together.

Lol: what coffe are you drinking gk?
Please see the first post in-what do you consider to be OU.
True in every sence of of my reply to-Or must I suppose that you make freely your own electricity at home?

[exnihiloest]

I make freely my own power at home,avalible 24 hours a day,365 days a year-come rain ,hail or shine.
It's not rocket science you know.

Not overunity either, otherwise you wouldn't be here, I presume.

[TinMan]

Not overunity either, otherwise you wouldn't be here, I presume.

No -definitely not OU,as the source is know,
But it is a free energy system-so you can suppose that i make freely my own electricity at home.

[exnihiloest]

No -definitely not OU,as the source is know,
But it is a free energy system-so you can suppose that i make freely my own electricity at home.

I said that if you had overunity, you would have free electricity at home. Would I have had to add "free electricity from overunity"? Was the context not clear? I can't suppose it.
In any case your reply doesn't invalidate the fact that your affirmation "no doubt that OU devices have been built" is still a profession of faith and only a profession of faith, due to a total lack of proofs.

[TinMan]

In any case your reply doesn't invalidate the fact that your affirmation "no doubt that OU devices have been built" .

Now your starting to get confused exnihiloest-i dint say the above as you quoted.
That would have been DeepCut.
But i do agree with DeepCut's statement-i to have absolutly no doubt that  OU devices !! as we have deem'd to be an OU device on the thread(what do you consider to be OU) !! have been built.
But most of the time,most of the people wont be in the right place to see it first hand.

[Farrah Day]

Blimey, we're going around in circles a little now aren't we?

If people want to consider such things a solar panels or boiling a saucepan of water over a fire as OU, then I guess that's their prerogative... and if they themselves are not the instigator, it's more than likely to be those with exactly this mind set that attempt to give credence to so many ridiculous OU claims in the first place (mentioning no names... cough, a'hem... Ramset).

I certainly don't think that there are multitudes of people out there that have created OU devices but are too illiterate or uneducated to express their findings correctly or indeed replicate the device. And I mean, really, how absurd does that sound: uneducated in the ways or not clever enough to provide clear details or proof, but hey, they say it's OU so it must be, Yaay! 

When it comes down to it, there's simply no substitute for stubborn ignorance... stupid people are often too stupid to know just how stupid they really are... c'mon, we all remember Infamously STupid, IST!  And worse still, remember how many gullible people took him seriously! 

All this brings to mind a famous quote: 'Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level and then beat you with experience.'

And there are just as many (if not more) charlatans and outright fraudsters as there are innocent and harmless ignoramuses - and most people claiming something incredible around here usually fall nicely into one of those categories.

Furthermore, and contrary to what some individuals seem to think (or naively expect ), no one works for nothing - there is a cost to living.  I don't blame anyone from wanting to make some money from their own discovery or invention, they no doubt deserve some reward - good luck to them!  However, I detest the people that come on these forums making all sorts of claims, but providing no evidence or proof to substantiate such claims, because these people are clearly here for no other reason than because they enjoy the lime light - they actually have nothing remotely tangible to bring to the party.  Energetic forum abounds with such know-it-all (read as: know-nothing) characters. And most of us know who they are.

Oh, and just to add to the point on patents, there are cart loads of patents claiming super-efficient electrolysis and dissociation of the water molecule that aren't worth the paper they are written on, though there still seems to be folk that see a patent as proof of a working model, when nothing could be further from the truth - patents mean diddly-squat!

@ramset

After decades of claims of free energy machines and not one being successfully duplicated, such claimers must be treated for what they are: liars.
If they affirm they have OU without at least a third party duplication or without giving all needed informations for a third party duplication, I consider that they are harmful charlatans. It doesn't a matter that they deceive the others consciously or by self-complacency.
These guys and their followers hate to be contradicted, they hate the free speech, they treat their contradictors with contempt, they don't answer the objections, they would like monopolize Internet to spread their nonsenses without opposition. When they are challenged and have the power to oust their contradictors, for instance by banning them from a forum, they do it. So they must be fought without pity, they are only pretentious and useless prophets, version third millennium, exploiting the human credulity for money or for their self-satisfaction, this one of an idiot wanting to feel a great inventor.

I think you've got it covered here Exn, and as per usual, I couldn't agree more.