Gabriel's heater arrives via Fedex TODAY in shambles; investigating why/how

[PhysicsProf]

Gabriel shipped his device in a wooden box that he custom-made for it. It cost about $130 to ship via Fedex. It was fully assembled (in a straight line, one piece). Working and ready to go.  Left Friday 1 March, 4-days for delivery they said.  Arrived today 6 March.

But it came to me in a black-plastic container, with popcorn and shredded-cardboard packing (which he did not use), DISASSEMBLED, in two pieces (motor and unit). Further, the bolts holding the heat-unit together were all loose or gone -- 3 nuts loose, 4 nuts GONE. I later found the four nuts on the bottom of the crate.  

I prepared a vid upon arrival, keep it private!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d45X597J850&feature=youtu.be

Sent the link to Gabriel via email, he emailed back:

   quote:
   First thing the [cell] number you gave me is not working, 2nd thing I DID not ship that in that box and it was fully assembled when I shipped it!
   What is going on here?


He noted that he kept getting a message that my cell phone was "disconnected", but it was not -- about 5 tries.  Then he tried once more and my phone rang and worked of course fin.

Gabriel is concerned at the treatment shown in the vid, observed in the package upon arrival --Motor is coated in oil, even inside looking at a white plastic inside. Oil everywhere inside the crate. He said unit was SEALED, so they broke the seal.  As noted, all SEVEN nuts/bolts holding the device together and connected to the motor were loose, so that the cover on the cylinder of the unit would move easily.


He asked me to spin the shaft on unit, I did so. It makes a grinding sound. Not good. plates are rubbing. Ruined as far as my testing it is concerned -- it may have to go back to him for proper re-assembly and re-alignment at least, unless I can figure out with his help how to align the inner disks.

Accident (it is heavy, about 110 lbs) or intentionally seeking info, or to harass? 
Do we now have first-hand experience of harassment of FE researchers?  We must gather more evidence.

[PhysicsProf]

Note that the black plastic crate arrived this morning around 10:30 am.  I was not asked for a signature, driver just left it at the door.

Since I had my video camera handy, I took short vids of the unopened crate and as I opened it.  I try to remember to take vids of important things, and I did so this morning.  Wasn't planning to upload these however!

Unopened crate: http://youtu.be/V9TMeJDu5Hg   Notice the intact cable-ties.

First look inside: http://youtu.be/gvTVOAP72xE    You can see the packaging material "they" used -- not used by Gabriel! also, that it is in two separate pieces now.

Gabriel has filed a complaint with Fedex.  He noted that they responded that they will send investigators here (to my home/lab) in a few days.
I will not be looking INSIDE the heater before that.

I did not notice and "dings" on the motor or the heater unit, nor on the threads of the seven large bolts which are to hold the unit together.

[PhysicsProf]

It is important to remember that the device left as ONE assembly, firmly bolted together and the oil sealed inside --
but it arrived in TWO detached pieces, and the bolts on the heater device were all lose.  Gabriel looked at my vid of the heater and noted that the connector had been moved on the central shaft, downward.  This requires a special tool and a deliberate act.

I don't think the opening of the device was an accident.  And who ever threw things back together did not even bother to put 4 of the nuts back on their respective bolts.   I'm certain it was NOT shipped that way!!

I finally found the tracking record for this shipment, Fedex info:  see attached.  Note the activity (strange) in Sacramento CA --

1-  Mar 2, 2013 1:11 AM
Arrived at FedEx location
SACRAMENTO, CA
2-  Mar 2, 2013 8:16 AM
  Departed FedEx location
SACRAMENTO, CA

--->>  where is the package during this time from 8:16am Saturday, leaving Sacramento Fedex, until 4:50pm on Monday, back to Sacramento Fedex?
 
3- Mar 4, 2013 4:50 PM
Arrived at FedEx location
SACRAMENTO, CA

4--  Mar 5, 2013 2:35 AM
Departed FedEx location
SACRAMENTO, CA

        So it departs the FedEx location in Sacramento at 8:16 am on Saturday, and arrives at Sacramento FedEx at 4:50 pm on Monday!  Where is the package during this long time???  I'd like to know!

[Chet K]

Well
That part adds a big twist,we're not talking about a fly by night shipper Fed ex keeps it moving towards the destination not ring around the rosey?

I have gotten "repaks" from a shipper but not like that??

,the only thing I could imagine was a drop and Break scenario that leaked oil and got stopped for some "protocol"
reason[should be well documented if that were the case!]

Does seem extra weird tho??

So the way it stands now you are not going to do any investigation until Fedex rep gets there?
no looking for drop damage?



Thx
Chet

[PhysicsProf]

"
So the way it stands now you are not going to do any investigation until Fedex rep gets there?
no looking for drop damage?"

What, Chet?   I said that I did look for damage/dings and saw none.  Nothing on the motor, and no dings on the unit itself that I could see.

  However, as I noted, all SEVEN nut/bolt assemblies were loose.  This would not likely be caused by dropping -- all seven big bolts/nuts loose by dropping?  tell me how.
The top of the cylinder was free to be lifted = no seal.  And when I did spin the rotor, it made a scraping noise, suggesting a shift inside so the discs rub.  Looks like someone took it apart and inspected inside. 

On the INSIDE, Gabriel asked that I not take it apart and look until AFTER the investigators come.

[Gabriel]

Hello guys,

...... I just don't know what to say.....  I was asked by FedEx to tell Steve not to touch the Box any more until they get there. Now with that being said, I would like for you Steve
to record them while they have there look at the box and it's content. Please do not let them take the heater from your house. After they are done with their findings of who dropped the ball lets try to get back on track with the testing.
I will assist you Steve over the phone or Skype to put this back together and ready for testing. I do have some extra parts I have found in my shop if need be to repair the heater.

[Slider2732]

Such a sad situation, whichever way it goes.
Surely a short printout report would be with such a package to denote a repacking...not nothing said at all.
What would they expect, people to just say 'ho hum' and accept such practices ?

As noted by Gabriel, to move one part of it would take a specialised tool. The unit was sealed and that seal was not going to simply fail and oil come rushing out - otherwise i'm sure it wouldn't be shipped. Even if the seal had failed in transit, surely they would tip it upside down or whatever to let the remainder come out, make a note to be attached (with probable fine or something) and ship onward. Who would disassemble something without even an email or phone call to the shipper ?
It could have been anything in there, how would they know how to proceed ?

Well, too many questions.

Julie said "tell the guys to take pics/videos of anything before shipping and of the box it is being sent in".
Good advice for the future I think.

[Magluvin]

Thats a bit wild.    # things that come to mind.

Was it detected by an xray device and found suspicious. Seems odd that there was not even a "Sorry about that but..."

Was detected by xray device and found suspicious enough to call in the boys. And after getting oil all over their freshly polished shoes, they said, dump it all in a Hefty bag and resume shipping. Then send in the drones and take out both subjects. These shoes were my favorite.  

Was known about prior to shipping and...  

But I lean on the first 2. If it were known about prior, then if they were following here, they would know that there is nothing really special, nor to be concerned about safety wise, or you wouldnt have received anything.     Unless 'they' just wanted to examine it to see if OU, and if it was, lol, they modified things so OU couldnt happen unless you rebuild. Not very professional, shipping it in that condition. It could make us suspicious. lol


Dont take what I said as non caring. These are my thoughts I have. I just tried to make lite of possible truths.  

I personally, It would be on Youtube already.

Mags

[PhysicsProf]

  Yes, VERY surprising/concerning that they would not send a note to explain the taking apart of the device.  Maybe they worried it was a bomb lol, shipped by/to terrorists      Actually, that scenario (though farfetched and UNTRUE!) does worry me because they can "accuse" of whatever they want these days in the "war on terror", so it seems. 

Oh, dear.

Gabriel -- I request whatever photos you have of the device before shipping, outside and inside -- so they can compare with what they find inside.

Actually, will this work having me try to explain to them what SHOULD be inside, and if anything was damaged?  How would I know?

perplexed in Utah,
Steve

PS -- they need to let me know in advance when they're coming.  I'll be out of town tomorrow afternoon for instance, with my wife.

PPS -- Wife wants to know if I can meet these investigators somewhere besides our own humble hacienda?

[PhysicsProf]

  Maybe Mags has a good idea -- should one put this out on youtube?  public things are visible and may be safer to some extent...?  talking directly to the people and all.

[PhysicsProf]

Here's that travel record per Fedex.

Note the activity (strange) in Sacramento CA --

1-  Mar 2, 2013 1:11 AM
Arrived at FedEx location
SACRAMENTO, CA
2-  Mar 2, 2013 8:16 AM
 Departed FedEx location
SACRAMENTO, CA

--->> where is the package during this time from 8:16am Saturday, leaving Sacramento Fedex, until 4:50pm on Monday, back to Sacramento Fedex?

3- Mar 4, 2013 4:50 PM
Arrived at FedEx location
SACRAMENTO, CA

4--  Mar 5, 2013 2:35 AM
Departed FedEx location
SACRAMENTO, CA

Gabriel -- I'd very much like to have a good explanation to this question BEFORE they bother to send investigators to my door:

where is the package during this time from 8:16am Saturday, leaving Sacramento Fedex, until 4:50pm on Monday, back to Sacramento Fedex?

Can you ask them, or should I?

[Magluvin]

It would be interesting to see how long the vid stays up on YT or if Fedx requests that it be taken down.
But, maybe since they are sending someone to investigate, Id wait to see what they have to say, like, dont put this on YT. lol   Then if you are unsatisfied with their investigation, then possibly a YT vid.  I dunno.  I wouldnt want trouble to come your way for any reason. And if they are sending someone, then I suspect they have 'no idea' what happened to the package. Thats when things might get interesting.

Maybe have a friend or 2 with you when the visit happens. Safer in numbers.  And dont show them the lab. You might be identified as a terrorist. Seriously. If they have questions as to what it is, you could say it an experimental dyno for small motors, which isnt far from the truth in reality, other than maybe more heat produced than input costs. But you dont have to say that part of it.

Maybe even contact an atty near you and explain the situation that happened to the 'mini dyno' and if they would accompany you for the visit. Some kind of witness to what is said, and done. There is loss involved and 'clear' negligence as to what happened to the 'dyno'.

Its funny. Maybe they figured that if it was a device that is intended to be diabolical, that nobody is going to call and complain, and wait and see if they need to pay a visit anyways. But being that you contacted them, surely they feel to be in a sort of pickle and may offer a nice chunk of 'hush' money, as they are already in the ditch a bit over videos of careless deliveries.

I think the atty, especially one that knows local cops, would be a step in the right direction, for your own safety, just in case. 

Good luck.

Mags

[Magluvin]

Was there any paperwork sent with the 'dyno' that would implicate that it was more than a dyno?

Mags

[PhysicsProf]

This is a good question for Gabriel:

Was there any paperwork sent with the 'dyno' that would implicate that it was more than a dyno?

Mags

Thanks for your points, Mags.  Cheers everyone.

[Magluvin]

No problem. ;] Sounds a bit like science fiction and conspiracy stuff, but its not that far fetched. I suppose we are going to find out.

Mags

[Chet K]

Steve
I was not implying you are not doing anything ,I meant a more technical check for damage ,out of round etc etc.
As far as the heater ,I would just refer to it as a Friction  prototype similar to Franette/perkins ?

http://www.google.com/patents/US4143639

Our community comes under assault from many angles,you are a huge asset working on your own time and expense.
this is another good reason to start a more organised group with clear goals and purpose,one who's goal is altruism and charity
not wealth and fame.

If we build it [A Community ] they will come........

And BTW This is very good "press" for That cause.Trying to help the planet..........


Global warming    Carbon tax,   all serve this cause quite well


Thx
Chet
Just for clarity on that group [charity]
we have several very good [extra nasty] bits of news that highlight the need.
the kickstarter hurts charity angle and this energy research tampered with angle,if we were a charitable world wide group
thousands or tens of thousands strong .
this would be big news and have much clout in the world

I has a dream............

[PhysicsProf]

So this morning I called FedEx.

I asked about the missing time Sat am to 4:50pm Monday, she could find no further record of where the package was... She said it might just have been sitting on a truck.

Also, she found no record of re-labeling or re-packaging.

She offered to call Sacramento Fx and I waited while she did. She said there was no answer, and she could not give me the phone #. She tried another number, reached a person who immediately transferred her (she said) to another phone, again no answer. But she left my phone infor so perhaps this fellow in Sacr will call me?

She could give me no more info; finally she said (nicely) that she would transfer me to someone who handled unusual situations...

He could not provide additional info on the missing time either. I asked who would loosen/take out 7 bolts and take a shipment apart (as we found it on arrival) -- he said FedEx would NOT do this, period.

I asked who has authority then to do such, and he said he could not answer such questions... But I or the shipper could file a claim.
I asked if I could find out WHO took it apart if I filed a claim.  He said probably not.  That told me something!

Both he and she said there was no indication that a claim had been filed, so I then called Gabriel.  I suggested that he call FedEx again and make sure the claim is filed (if I wishes to).

The fedex fellow also said that fedex would not send inspectors to my home to do the inspection for damage. period. (I asked Gabriel to re-check on this, too.) They would only send a driver and it would be taken to one of their centers for inspection, then they could ship it back to the sender.

OK -- if Fedex did not loosen/remove the bolts and he cannot answer who did, and we "probably" cannot find that out even with a claim -- and we can get it working again anyway --
WHY BOTHER WITH A CLAIM TO FEDEX?  

I mean it -- I would rather not waste additional time in trying to get them to cough up... how much?  x?  Gabriel noted that he had not insured the package nor taken photos prior to shipment and he made jokes about the heavy thing being a bomb... ha ha... 

Its pretty clear to me that FedEx (and Google and Cellphone corps etc) will COVER for the gov't to do warrantless searches anytime they want to.
So we learn to live with that or work around that, like me driving out to see Gabriel etc. in future.

If we can get this to work, the approx 1 or 2K a guy (Gabriel) might get from FedEx -- is it worth the hastle and the time lost?  will they hem and delay and try to cover-up?  I think so -- that's what I've found so far!!

I suggest we get back to building and researching.  ASAP

[PhysicsProf]

PS -- a quick search turned up a bunch of patents that may relate to the "friction heater"

US4273075   Sep 7, 1979   Jun 16, 1981      Heat generating device
US4277020   Apr 30, 1979   Jul 7, 1981   General Industries, Inc.   Fluid friction heater
US4312322   Apr 14, 1980   Jan 26, 1982      Disced friction heater
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US4454861   Mar 20, 1981   Jun 19, 1984   Raymond E. Shea   Fluid friction heater
US4462386   Jun 17, 1983   Jul 31, 1984      Hydraulic friction heater
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[PhysicsProf]

Note this from a Fedex insider:

FedEx Claims: The Real Scam

   

The lawsuit regarding "upweighting" brought our [FedEx] Claims Deaprtment to mind, specifically their unwillingness to ever pay for claims, even if they are completely legitimate. A few years ago I was approached by my manager and asked if I wanted to be the station "Claims Specialist". I didn't know what the job entailed, so I asked for an explanation. Here's what I got:

    1. The Claims Specialist's job is to deny any claim, regardless of whether the package meets or exceeds FedEx packaging standards.

    2. The packaging standards are kept intentionally vague so the customer is always at fault.
etc...


Read more: http://www.browncafe.com/forum/f50/fedex-claims-real-scam-347506/#ixzz2MshicOZd

[Slider2732]

Giving up is giving in.
Others are having similar happen to them and, if agencies other than FedEx are doing things with FedEx entrusted packages, it needs to be sorted out. If they're not there and it's just a badly run delivery system, then that would appease the conspiracy thoughts of many.

I would say see how things go and if all just seems to look more like a brush sweep, then YouTube the videos and situ.
Gabriels device has been seen publicly on YouTube and it was to go for scientific testing, an easy to understand situ for anyone watching. Claims of OU need not be mentioned, it could have been a motor, wind generator, lightbulb design.

[PhysicsProf]

  I'm saying we need to do our research outside the system as much as possible, since the establishment may be hostile to new energy findings.

 Time is limited and the benefits of seeking to go through the Fedex claims system seems a waste to me...

Edit -- now the device is apart in my lab, with Gabriel watching via skype as I disassambled with care .  It is clear that "they"  had it apart and did not know how to put it together!

[Chet K]

Steve
.....Have Gabriel guide you through Reassembly and see what you have?


Thx
Chet

I'm ready to do this whenever Gabriel is ready and willing to proceed. 

[Gabriel]

After talking to FedEX for the 2nd time today..... They can not find any record of us talking to them or of any claim filed..... nor can they even generate a claim number off of the tracking number on my end....... The lady I spoke to today was in Aww about this and said she was sorry, that this has never happened before to her.  

Steve can you give me the numbers on the plastic tote from the new shipping tag?

To be real frank about this .... I am ready to move on!

Look the main thing is that you have it and so be it.  First thing is testing the motor to see if it still working. next is bolting it back on the heat core.
This is really easy. I am not worried about any scraping at this point being that it is not together and is loose for parts to rub.

Yea mybad for not taking picture of the crate and heater inside of it. I guess I am new at this whole thing  


I would love to find the FedEx diver that I helped load this crate into his truck and get him on video describing the crate.

So I say lets move on and get some testing done. I am ready on my end when you are ready on yours.

[TinMan]

After talking to FedEX for the 2nd time today..... They can not find any record of us talking to them or of any claim filed..... nor can they even generate a claim number off of the tracking number on my end....... The lady I spoke to today was in Aww about this and said she was sorry, that this has never happened before to her.  

Steve can you give me the numbers on the plastic tote from the new shipping tag?

To be real frank about this .... I am ready to move on!

Look the main thing is that you have it and so be it.  First thing is testing the motor to see if it still working. next is bolting it back on the heat core.
This is really easy. I am not worried about any scraping at this point being that it is not together and is loose for parts to rub.

Yea mybad for not taking picture of the crate and heater inside of it. I guess I am new at this whole thing  


I would love to find the FedEx diver that I helped load this crate into his truck and get him on video describing the crate.

So I say lets move on and get some testing done. I am ready on my end when you are ready on yours.

Yes-lets get on with testing.
No point in crying over spilt milk as they say,as long as they dont shoot the cow.

[Chet K]

Steve
One thing would be interesting ,Does the plastic container it arrived in have any GSA #'s [cast into the plastic]
That would actually tell a lot  if it does?

Thx
Chet