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This looks easy enough to replicate!

Any thoughts on if its real or not???

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnYHBowc8SQ[/youtube]
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Couldn't see your video ... suggest you consider this, OK I did build this a few years ago or at least a small demonstration version. Its the work of a Frenchman first demonstrated in the 1950s. In practice it requires magnets to be pretty well matched It needs an extremely highly efficient prime mover. (High 90 s percent ), It requires precision machining and its liable to to run away from you and self destruct without a careful feed back loop control. Not really the machine to break the energy strangle hold , Joe public can't build this in his shed and It needs rather to much investment in plant and time I also had a lathe at the time and I don't now. Its all a bit to mechanical for my liking, but then one man’s meat is another man’s poison.  And anyway perhaps an easier way can be seen. So really at this stage for conversation only although its a huge COP>1 machine and the principles easy to understand .  
Here's the principle, There is a spiral vortex associated with the permanent magnets field which is often not taken into account here it is demonstrated by magnetflipper

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1BPdLunVE4[/youtube]
 
The Magnetic Vortex is again demonstrated here with the Leedskalnin PMH In this case Its unusually shown in a dynamic nature here  by whyme2be
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_2G28531sI[/youtube]
However I get a little ahead of my self, This spin effect doesn’t come to the fore until the magnets themselves are in spin. And as a basic principle of operation Its far easier to stay with a static example . (however keep in mind this spin is undoubtedly operating to huge advantage in the background) still to keep it simple to follow .. The following experiment has been carried out by Elias with the intention of demonstrating that given four identical magnets .. they are stronger in attraction than opposition
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5q47JJJAww[/youtube]
There were doubts cast on this experiment , It was repeated with precision machining all bolts being removed
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sUpFc-0yg0 [/youtube]
This is key to how this machine goes massively COP>1 so if you don't or can't believe what you have just seen , prove it to yourself before you continue. This effect was noticed by a Frenchman Leon Hatem .. Here is yet another successful claim of it ...  
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P27_sGtnJN0 [/youtube]
Leon actually delights in each successful build and you will notice Frank (his son) posting in the comments section . Leon himself first built and demonstrated this machine in the 1950s he never intended to patent it thinking It much better in the public domain. However tptb have nasty  technique of 'ringing ' patents so as to prevent any development or manufacture .. Leon Learnt certain American parties were trying to do that with his device and so was forced to patent or see it buried.
There are mathematical progressions to the energy gain which are in theory huge, there were a few construction details and build sheets available for a price but only for a short while then they were knocked off the net.I took the opportunity to buy whatever there was . Because the mathematical foundation of the Fibonacci series is quite clearly demonstrated in the literature and I think Its important to understand that .. (In fact to extrapolate it back to the first transformer)
I take the unusual step of very briefly hosting that information even though I am in copyright infringement and its pay to view information for that reason , I'm not going to leave them  here for much over 24 hours so download quickly  but study at leisure . If you do build take a little time to let old Leon know via his son .. every success makes the old man  very happy. Its his baby !
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b3/2011-02-05 Free Energy Magnet Generator Triple Rotor System.pdf

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OK -- time to learn, learning is an approved activity!  Thanks Duncn.

Stprue -- pls give us the URL.
   
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This looks easy enough to replicate!

Any thoughts on if its real or not???

What was demonstrated is quite real. What isn't correct are the assumptions made and the thoughts that this is something new and unknown to science.

I wish there was something new about the concepts posted here today but none of them are. Neither are the misunderstandings of what is going on.

Being a prude is not something I like to do but the constant repetition of 'new' & heretofore 'unknown to science' claims becomes depressing after several years.

The only thing new is the person making the claim.
   

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The only thing new is the person making the claim.

Aye, that truly is the whole depth of the situation.

Once we develop an electrical generator (Dynamo)
which produces more output than is input, then
we'll be in Fat City.

(There are other locations too.)


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This looks easy enough to replicate!

Any thoughts on if its real or not???

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnYHBowc8SQ[/youtube]

When I try this URL, I get -- "not available" or "does not exist".
   
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Nothing new Good! I never intended posting anything new . However If you'd like to provide a link to a full description of magnetic tornado's its cause and the science and maths behind it  I'll certainly read it with interest.! And thanks.
 That this isn’t new technology and the principle is well tried and tested with at least five working machines I can link to and investigate is the very reason I posted.
That the Inventor is still alive and prepared to assist constructors is also a huge boon. That an attempt has been made to 'ring' the patent in the USA is also useful … It makes more Information available. That there is practical building information with the machines shown finished and running on video, with the exceptional COP>1 readings is useful. All that  aside having posted the construction PDFs and the proof of concept builds I'll await consensus   


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Hi Prof .. I’ve no Idea what that video was either .. its a thread that seems to have been dormant for quite a while, I haven't really mastered all the foibles of this platform yet and simply picked it as it seemed at least in the right area. It might Interest you Prof that I too don't have endless money to spend on projects, that being the case before attempting a build I tend to spend a deal of time studying the man .. as opposed to the machine. In much the same way you would research a family tree for Instance. Leon Hatem turned out to be a delight, quite happy in his own skin and delighted with his god and the miracle of the  universe around him.
Research shows he was an exceptional instrument maker a craft honed by hand making watches and clocks. His Interest in COP>1 magnetic machines was thrust into the limelight after being asked to assist  Nobel prize winner Prof Maurice Allais build ground breaking pendulum equipment that recorded activity far out in space.
http://www.allais.info/
However It really isn't necessary to become bogged down in in the physics .. Unless you have a thirst to know that is. The simple experiment was certainly enough for me, Its also how Leon explains the operation himself in his Patent. And given that Magnets are stronger in attraction than repulsion  (which you can quite clearly see) from there its down to careful engineering .   ;)


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Nothing new Good! I never intended posting anything new . However If you'd like to provide a link to a full description of magnetic tornado's its cause and the science and maths behind it  I'll certainly read it with interest.! And thanks.
 That this isn’t new technology and the principle is well tried and tested with at least five working machines I can link to and investigate is the very reason I posted.
That the Inventor is still alive and prepared to assist constructors is also a huge boon. That an attempt has been made to 'ring' the patent in the USA is also useful … It makes more Information available. That there is practical building information with the machines shown finished and running on video, with the exceptional COP>1 readings is useful. All that  aside having posted the construction PDFs and the proof of concept builds I'll await consensus   


Thanks for the links as I have heard the name and seen the technology but never connected the dots. It looks straight forward and can be tested pretty easy in my opinion as I have used microcontrollers and a Labview GUI for a while now. Basically 90% of the hardware is replaced by analog inputs on a microcontroller and virtual software connections to graph as many channels as needed with whatever math may be required. One problem I see is that most try to replicate without thinking first which generally leads to trouble. In this case the machine means nothing in relation to the primary effect and if the primary effect can be proven then it can be utilized in many different ways.
If I were to do this I wouldn't build the machine in the patent I would build the simple bicycle device using two rotating magnets and map all the forces present over time. If what he claims is true then the two magnets in attraction should require less energy when moving away from one another than was produced when coming together. It may be due to the fact that some magnets are conductive which means induced currents, eddy currents, which may play a role in the effect in some way. If it does work then there must be a valid reason why it works which could be explained in easy terms anyone could understand.

Minus 30 degrees C here tonight, damn it's getting cold, better fire up the old FE machine, lol.

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Here's Leon's Bike .. or the Drive part ..  In fact Its the way he went first, all those years ago. probably thinking along the same lines as you ! In fact driving it with a motor for really huge gain is difficult  (I found it so anyway) it tries very hard to runaway ever faster and self destruct . I got into  the situation at one stage with Neo's flying around like bullets ... but I'm a nit wit , I'm sure you'll be more circumspect ! 



minus 30 .... Brrrrrr ... stay warm buddy


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Nothing new Good! I never intended posting anything new . However If you'd like to provide a link to a full description of magnetic tornado's its cause and the science and maths behind it  I'll certainly read it with interest.! And thanks.

Choose almost any physics book or web page dealing with "Lorentz Force".
The video is a demonstration of moving charges through a static magnetic field.. 'Charges' need not be limited to electrons.

I've explained each of the provided examples so many times that even explaining feels like beating my head against a wall.

I fear this is why so many old-timers just seem to go away. The only reason is the repetition of the same 'new discoveries' which turns out to be just another repeat claim with just as many repeat request for conventional explanations.

When something is thought to be a route to free energy folks should just go after the free energy or simply read a book. Reading a book may say us a lot of wasted/repeated effort.
   
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That is an awesome setup as far as simplicity is concerned and I don't think I could have designed anything better. Damn you now I'm going to have to build one, I was afraid this might happen.
Did you try building a similar setup? and if so were there any intersting results?.

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AC I'm not going to start debating measuring techniques and COP >1 Its a never ending bag of worms . If you follow the efficiency curve (extrapolate it back) you'll see the efficiency of the prime mover is critical … just like rotoverter and all the rest, As you see its quite  a mechanical undertaking . One source of extremely efficient motors with the all important speed control for start up I decided was model aircraft motors. I had four of them cascaded, As I say I was totally unprepared for what happened I lost control as It went ever faster . If I said I don’t think you'll be disappointed how will that do? The thing is I have rather come to the conclusion that in order to alter the system a machine has to be built that's so simple joe public can make it in his garage in a few hours .. This machine certainly isn't that! I started going off in a different direction then hunting for something much simpler. Although as you can probably see now when the systems cascaded huge energy gain is possible

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF7iUwmHFrI&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

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Fun stuff.  I've verified a difference between attraction and repulsion.
Then the coupled rotors -- interesting!  
Duncan - you said you used airplane motors.  I have several.  Then what do you do? coupled rotors I assume...  driving what?  a driven airplane motor does not make an efficient generator, from my few observations.  Also I like the "toy-scale"

Or a mo-gen?  Can it be this simple? =from the vid on Leon's stuff.  
   
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Prof I wish I had taken some photo's of the lash up I did now . I really just wanted to do a “proof of concept for my own satisfaction without breaking the bank … I realised that little model aircraft motors had all the efficiency figures posted with them and were made very efficient .. (obviously  for flying time) They also of course could do duty as generators if used in reverse perhaps not quite as efficient as motors but sufficient for my intention I used PM motors anyway. Also simple cheap off the shelf gear like model making servo speed control could be used to bring the thing slowly up to speed... such was my thinking
I actually used plastic jar lids in place of the prop.. peanut butter if I remember correctly … and bolted the little magnets around the perimeter. I had it in mind to try and make something that could easily and cheaply be produced by everyone which at the same time proved the concept beyond doubt.
I obviously intended to load up the generators (or at least motors being used as generators) and be able to give reliable input and output figures … ah the best plans of mice and men .. the first run with no load and quite slow .. was fine , Then I tried loading the generators and speeding things up a bit .. That's when I encountered a catastrophic fail with bullets flying .. the motor shafts were bent .. most of the magnets shattered and the speed controller U/S
I guess I should have returned for a replay But I simply decided there was probably a better way.
This set up of Hatems is very temperamental, a little bit to much load and it goes out of lock .. to little and it runs away from you. I simply wasn’t expecting it that fast.
The guy in America tasked with ringing Leon's Patent , (which incidentally should be impossible if even a half decent patent search is done by the patent office) Is called George Mitchell here is one of his first efforts
If you listen you can hear the machine hunting … at least George had some sort of control on it. I didn't

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_CFLL68aZQ[/youtube]

Anyway Prof if you go through a few more of the video's on Georges channel you'll see he did eventually tame the raging beast .. It still seems to be yet another technology that's destined to remain  buried. Still Prof I then thought .. As I had all the documentation and research  and the theory was pretty easy to explain and test .. (seems you have already) its explained in detail in  the PDFs. With the Fibonacci relationship , I guessed if I posted it here some one would have a good hard look at it. And perhaps walk it further than I did! Even if only to knock out a simple mechanical arrangement to prove the concept to anyone who's interested. As I say Prof  I abandoned this and am busy building and testing  in the Steve Mark area right now, however  as I had extra information and detail I decided to post it. For better or for worse . There seems enough sharp blades on this forum to perhaps see a better way to utilise or get this particular technology out.
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  Thanks again, Duncan. 
  This Geo Mitchell, looked at a few of his vids, is a man of few words.  Can guess what he is doing with mag cogging, but no numbers regarding Pin our Pout.  Just "call your senators" etc.     How does he know cop >1? or does he?

 Is he basically replicating Leon's cogging work?
   
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he he yeah few words all right ! Yeah it looks very much like a rustic copy of  Leons stuff. I included it because there might be another interesting  patent about.
Here is Leon pointing out the energy input output advantage if thats what your interested in
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 ;D ;D wavewatcher Sorry I would have answered sooner but I didn’t notice this gem you planted  ;D ;D Einstein/ Lorentz force Ironic humour! lucky their not allowed to teach that rubbish any more!
you certainly wouldn't find a physics book with  that corrupted nonsense in it in my house .. I'd rather the children read porn than that filth .
Of course any free energy researcher worth is salt  knows Its twaddle and your the first one for a long time that’s even mentioned such queer perversion. 
have a close look at what each and every one of these researchers  had (and have) In common and the first enormous elephant stamping around all of their rooms is The fact that each of theses guys at the very top of the academic tree were quite convinced the Lorentz/ Einstein 
Relativity and force laws are wrong. In fact Prof Eric Dollard is rather more forceful and makes It very clear .. It was a conspiracy so know at once its very probable anyone peddling this confusing bull is probably opposition.

The head of the IEEE Robert Adams you think he lied? If not study his work

The head of IBM patent resources Harold Aspden PhD.(Cantab), B.Sc., F.I.E.E., F.I.Mech.E., M.Inst P., F.I.C.P.A., C.,Eng., C.Phys. Sen.Wh.Sc  you think he lied?

Prof Eric P Dollard you think he lied ?

Or Dr Tesla or Oliver Heaviside? Prof Steinmetz ?

What about Dr Prof. Dr. P.T. Pappas ? I think not!

Or Dr T H Moray these are erudite people at the very top of their professions . They already had fat bank accounts , and are not inclined to destroy years of academic reputation on pure fabrication.
I would suggest the Origins of energy synthesis from EPDs site as a starting point for any youngster  who wants to get a feel for the level of deception. also that they may know to avoid the fiction of Lorentz force law like the plague and  know what compartment anyone who espouses it seriously should be placed in. Yeah Its alright for a joke but that’s about it.

http://ericpdollard.com/
 
and if your pushed for time just listen  from the 1H50 min mark to 2H05min
 Depending on the quality of your maths Dr Pappas demonstrates the  Lorentz force is erroneous by substitution. With Ampere’s force law.
A very much simpler version of this description is demonstrated here by Peter Lindemann but of course lacks the thoroughness   

http://www.free-energy.ws/pdf/spinning_ball.pdf

So if things are in spin (and basically everything is) you can trash Lorentz force. a corrupt experiment (The Michelson–Morley experiment) was carried out along with this corrupted physics in order to prove and foist the premise on academia that there is no Aether, No linear wave, The reaction of people who actually knew the truth you have heard recorded by EPD. Even so the same tripe might  still be being taught In backward countries for all I know.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/academy/papers/How_Parallel_Path_Gets_Over_Unity/
I know of course wave watcher you have only posted in jest but you really should put the caveat in .. this erroneous rubbish is only for belly laughs after all there might be youngsters reading this who know no better!  ;D (though I doubt it at this stage)  O0

 


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Duncan,

It was no jest. The Lorentz force IS the explanation for the swirling bubbles.

As far as Mr. Dollard goes, I still appreciate his early work and still find it fascinating. As for recent ramblings.... I'm afraid his mind has crossed that proverbial line that many great minds suffer, including some of the other theorists you've mentioned.

Some of the others you mentioned... I'll look into it. Some of those mentioned sound interesting.
Tesla? Nothing but respect for the man's work, here. However, all too many fruitcakes have distorted much of his work to the point where the interpretations are laughable.

As for me... Don't classify me in the classicist's block. I'm anything but and quite sure I've rattled more cages than most, including some of the names you've mentioned. Robert is another story. One of misinterpretations and just plain stretching of the documented facts by some readers and web re-writers.

I prefer to disregard the mystical rumblings and wait for the documented and repeatable facts. I would love nothing more than to aid in proving the claims of OU and always try when those claiming don't sound like they are full of hot air.

When it comes to classic and current physics teachings it is best to understand them before claiming they don't explain something or are full of manure. Far more often than not, current science does explain the results but only if you understood the facts.

Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of cases where 'rules' are misapplied, misinterpreted or CAN be proven not applicable or even wrong.

The frequency of false claims to the above is excessive and by folks unread in the basics. Without the basics, how can one claim they don't apply, explain or are wrong? Without the basics what foundation does one have to expand upon, adjust or correct?

Show us just one claim of OU that can be replicated and proven correct. This means details. Not the crap that permeates the web today.

Claiming that a magnetic field consists of vortexes based upon easily and correctly explained causes is a joke, especially when the bubble motion is actually confirmation that there is no magnetic vortex, in that whimsical experiment.
The truth is that a magnetic field is a vortex. This has been proven beyond any doubt but that proof required a little higher understanding of physics than those videos display.

Attraction and repulsion not equal? Yea, right. Yet another misunderstanding or lack of the basics generated that interpretation.

I am no science genius. I AM primarily a home experimenter, just like those fools claiming wonders beyond science in U-Tube videos. The difference is..... I've already made their mistakes and don't wish to repeat them.

Yes, Lorentz can be argued and is being argued in the real scientific community. Real science doesn't assume anything is a final fact because history proves that our understanding changes and improves with the occasional 'better' or 'different' explanation.

The fun is finding the better or different explanations and trying to disprove them until it is beyond our current capability to disprove. An time continues.  
   
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I just saw that the 'Robert Adams' you mentioned was not the one I thought.

Robert Adams of monopolar motor fame did great work but never provided a design that was any more efficient than standard motor design. He was a real 'doer'. I built several of his suggestions. None met his claims.
   
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Obtaining material with the specific Mu response Robert had is nigh on impossible . It also goes without question that principles and designs that actually work are not going to be allowed to survive after all its no good having a suppression system in place if the information is freely available.
It is after all a mind control lock that’s being operated you rather triggered the warning shot by quoting Lorentz force .
As I have explained its at the heart of the corruption and described as such by every major researcher I know. For Instance This is a paragraph or two from an article just posted by AC which mirrors what I have just said–

aether physics was a lost physics. Physics was hijacked early in the 20th Century by alleged results of the Michelson-Morley experiment. The Michelson-Morley experiment assumed "aether" was matter. There is some confusion here. We know now that particles moving near the speed of light are measured as waves, that is energy, rather than as matter. Nevertheless, aether theory has been discredited among physicists who, in turn, discredit others who raise the subject. It is only through the efforts of "free energy devices" and free energy researchers that this knowledge is being returned to us. Without this aether theory, the reason these devices work cannot be explained at all. Rejection of aether theory allows these devices to be dismissed as" theoretically impossible" and so fraudulent by simple deduction. They are marginalized and dismissed as "perpetual motion devices". According to established physics, perpetual motion devices violate physical laws of conservation of energy. Without an aether theory as an explanation, they do violate laws of conservation of energy and so their detractors are able to simply dismiss them out of hand. The simple fact that some of these free energy devices actually work does not seem to bother these scientists in the least. Rather than change the theory to accommodate the observed facts, the facts are ignored and substituted by dogma. Whether we like it or not, we are living in an energy Dark Age.
Instead of aether theory, we have all been led to focus upon Einstein and his Theories of Relativity. Two or three generations of scientists have wasted themselves on "trying to prove Einstein right". This misguided thinking has resulted in stagnation. One need go no further than the many "free energy" devices which have arisen to the level of notice in spite of accepted scientific theory to see that this statement is true.
Needless to say, German scientists of the Nazi period laboured under no such illusions. They never abandoned aether physics. This was the fundamental reason why field propulsion UFOs were first developed in Germany. After the Second World War two different sciences developed called "Physics". One was the relativism taught in schools. The second more esoteric type was utilized only secretly, by the secret government, for deep black projects.


Which is fine as far as it goes .. however Wavewatcher you seem quite content to post this stuff with no 'child warning' what so ever, by all means quote the theory but accompany it  with the caveat that it doesn't work in practice and overwhelming numbers of researchers particularly in the alternative energy field believe it to be total fiction. (That includes me as well of course) and many say quite candidly it's an active conspiracy There are also as you know doubt are aware running machines that you can go and see (if you so wish) however I for one don't really appreciate this very contentions subject being introduced as 'Fait accompli ' that explains everything when it does no such thing in any shape or form. IMHO it certainly doesn't explain magnetism or electricity for all you may think it does. As far as I know The worlds finest still admit they don't really know what electricity and magnetism is and the jurys still out.


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Obtaining material with the specific Mu response Robert had is nigh on impossible .

This is strange. I thought the basic Robert Adams motor/generatort does not use mu metal.
   
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It certainly does not not ... far from it , Mu responce however is something every thing has but nothing to do with Mu metal in particular. In fact I could be corrected here but I think Mu metal is a trade name


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'Mu-Metal' is probably the trade name of that very high permeability metal.
'Mu', among many other things refers to the magnetic dipole moment but the 'u' is usually written as 'µ'.

I've already stated that I don't believe everything is fully and correctly understood and cannot be assumed to be written in stone.

Again, if anyone has any example of disproof of any physics claim, I am game. Any such example must be supplied with enough information for a correct replication.
(Oh, my Lord! I'm sounding like others I didn't appreciate  :( )

Disputing claims, classic or not, are the things I enjoy most.

"however Wavewatcher you seem quite content to post this stuff with no 'child warning' what so ever, by all means quote the theory but accompany it  with the caveat that it doesn't work in practice"

Stop blathering and provide an example. I already know of several. Let's see if you provide something new.

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Duncan,

Just so you know... I am usually the last one to cry 'foul' upon first glance and have gone to the extra effort, on several occasions, of contacting and visiting some claiming the unusual results.

One was a water-for-fuel inventor who made extreme claims on fueling his pick-up truck with nothing but water. Since he was only an hour's drive I paid him a visit. His claims were bogus and he wound up with having to rebuild his engine. A week later he dropped off the net and the fruitcakes started posting findings of suppression and even suspected murder.

That was a few years ago. I spoke to him on the phone about a month ago. He is doing well and pursuing magnet motors under completely different identities.

Another was a very famous (at least in these circles) magnet motor inventor. His only problem was he let it go too far from just looking for advice to making ridiculous claims. He wound up adding obvious fraud evidence and claiming MIB visits just so the fruitcakes would get off his back. His claims were real but not quite as positive as he thought.

I stopped talking to him because he goes off the deep end when bothered and can't support his family.

Also,

Einstein's famous formula isn't quite correct and anyone actually using it in high level research knows that.
Lorentz isn't correct in every circumstance - also known.
Lenz isn't applicable or even correct in every instance - also known.
Aether science was never proven false by the MM experiment or later variations but it does lend credence to SR & GR. This is true for the same reason current attempts at measuring gravity waves will never provide positive results.
Did you know that simply changing the rotational axis to horizontal on a MM like experiment provides 'apparent' positive proof of the Aether theory?

Before people makes childish claims they should read a book about the subject.
All too often they instead write one and try to sell it or post the equivalent amount of bovine expulsion on web sites to see how many will take the bait.

 





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I accept your challenge, WaveWatcher:

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Stop blathering and provide an example. I already know of several.

Clearly something repeatable going on -- replication PUBLISHED in a technical journal (J-JAP) by Toyota researchers:
   
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