LENR and Robert E. Godes

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I have come across this by accident and the similarities to SMD of mine are some what close, here is the patent application

http://www.google.com/patents/US20110122984?hl=en

Here is a site that led me to this

http://pdxlenr.blogspot.com.es/2012/10/thoughts-about-godes-brillouin-patent.html

Your comments would be appreciated and any other information on this.

Mike

[ion]

I'm happy to see these folks used a thermal control running tandem to the DUT.

Fig.9 and page 10 of the patent.

I put together a similar thermal measurement system and went one step further i.e metering the exact same amount of energy input to both DUT and Control using a data acquisition and control system as outlined here:

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=702.0

I never used it for such nuclear fusion research but it was very accurate in testing complete blocking oscillators against control resistors using the dual chamber tandem method.

[PhysicsProf]

I have come across this by accident and the similarities to SMD of mine are some what close, here is the patent application

http://www.google.com/patents/US20110122984?hl=en

Here is a site that led me to this

http://pdxlenr.blogspot.com.es/2012/10/thoughts-about-godes-brillouin-patent.html

Your comments would be appreciated and any other information on this.

Mike

Very interesting patent application, Mike.  First I notice this is an APPLICATION which evidently has not yet been granted.
Given the aversion of the US Patent Office to cold fusion, I rather doubt the patent will be granted.

But there it is -- question is, does it work?

I see theory delineated to some extent in this application, but do not see that a working prototype is available -- or did I miss something? 
As an experimentalist, I like to see a working prototype -- I think we all would.

Description
CROSS REFERENCE TO RELATED APPLICATIONS

This application is a continuation of U.S. patent application Ser. No. 11/617,632, filed Dec. 28, 2006 for "Energy Generation Apparatus and Method" (Robert E. Godes), which claims priority from U.S. Provisional Patent Application No. 60/755,024, filed Dec. 29, 2005 for "Energy Generation Apparatus and Method" (Robert E. Godes). The entire disclosures of the above-named applications (including all attached documents) are hereby incorporated by reference for all purposes.
BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

The present invention relates generally to energy generation, and more specifically to energy generation using nuclear fusion.

While there is no shortage of people desiring to produce energy through controlled fusion, the techniques can be considered to fall into two general classes, namely hot fusion and cold fusion. Hot fusion has a sound theory, and is known to work in a fashion capable of unleashing great amounts of energy in a very short amount of time. In some instances, the energy is released in an uncontrolled manner, rendering the collection of released energy problematical and expensive, possibly prohibitively so. One set of techniques for getting the hot fusion reaction to occur at a controlled pace uses electrostatic confinement. However, extracting more energy than is used to instigate the reaction is extremely difficult, if not impossible, due to the Bremsstrahlung phenomenon. Another set of techniques uses magnetic confinement, although confinement for an extended period of time has problems similar to those that beset electrostatic confinement. Another set of techniques explores impact fusion, but these attempts suffer from problems similar to those bedeviling the other hot fusion methods.

The history of cold fusion is, to say the least, checkered. A workable theory of cold fusion does not appear to have been articulated, and attempts to produce energy using cold fusion have generally not been reproducible and, when excess energy has been generated, have been characterized by rapid destruction of the device cores in which the reactions are occurring.

As understood, current state of the art attempts to produce "cold fusion" rely upon an effect best described as "gross loading." Gross loading is the process whereby the matrix is saturated with hydrogen nuclei to the point where, per the theory presented in this application, a small amount of phonon energy initiates a nuclear reaction. Unfortunately, the first reaction creates additional phonons that cause a chain reaction that leads to the destruction of the lattice. This approach can create excess energy because the high loading density alone leads to a system with high Hamiltonian energy in the lattice. This higher energy state leads to phonon-moderated nuclear reactions if the loaded matrix is stimulated with additional energy inputs, including additional loading through electrolysis or other stimuli referenced in the Cravens and Letts paper.

[Cravens2003], and the associated research, demonstrate that state of the art researchers have still not recognized the connection between increased lattice energy and heat production. [George1997] describes using ultrasonically induced multi-bubble sonoluminescence to induce fusion events, although because of the gross loading the core is quickly destroyed. In this case the sonoluminescence is both the source of hydrogen production and phonon energy, but there is no mention of any attempt to control phonon production or harness phonons to capture the energy released. [George1999] describes a device that heats a cylinder to 400F, but no control mechanism is mentioned or described. [George1999] also describes excess 4He production from deuterium during contact with nano-particle palladium on carbon at 200° C.
SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

Embodiments of the present invention provide a practical, controllable, source of fusion energy based on the mechanisms outlined below. This source is scalable from the Micro Electronic Mechanical System (MEMS) scale at the milliwatt/watt level to the 100-kilowatt level and possibility beyond in a single core device. In short, embodiments of the invention contemplate inducing and controlling phonon-moderated nuclear reactions.

Another aspect of the present invention provides the understanding required to design and build products based on the core technology, referred to as Quantum Fusion.

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In broad terms, embodiments of the invention are believed to operate as follows. Reactants (e.g., hydrogen ions from water surrounding the core) are introduced into the core (e.g., palladium), and phonons are induced in a controlled manner to provide sufficient energy to convert protons into neutrons via an electron capture mechanism. The phonon-mediated mechanism is sometimes referred to in this application as quantum compression, which is a coined term (to be discussed in detail below). The neutrons, so generated, are of sufficiently low energy to result in high cross sections for neutron-hydrogen reactions.

This generates increasingly high-atomic-weight isotopes of hydrogen, resulting in 4H, which beta decays to 4He. It is noted that the data in the National Nuclear Data Center ("NNDC") database is all derived from experiments involving multi-MeV colliders leaving the resulting 4H with enough momentum that it is energetically, the path of least resistance to simply eject a neutron. When there is little to no momentum involved, neutron ejection is not a viable decay path as there is no energy to overcome the binding energy no matter how small that energy is. In the NNDC data the neutron is carrying reaction energy away from the system in the form of momentum. The neutron absorptions and the beta decay are exothermic, and result in kinetic energy transfer to the core in the form of phonons, which is dissipated by a suitable heat exchange mechanism (e.g., the water that supplied the reactants).
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Steven, the application was over 6 years ago so it is patented or abandond or not granted. I see it is assigned to a company, maybe further investigations into the company would show something etc.

Yes I found it interesting and enlightening with it being very much on the lines of SMD. I am currently rebuilding a unit here and will be driving it so as to create initial heat to help start reaction, and then after do tests as outlined in the patent app: and also liked by ION.

Mike

[Chet K]

Mike
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. I see it is assigned to a company, maybe further investigations into the company would show something etc.

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I have been away working the last 2-3 weeks ,I should be home early next week ,If a contact number [inventor or company]can be found I will make the call.
Thx
Chet

[PhysicsProf]

Steven, the application was over 6 years ago so it is patented or abandond or not granted. I see it is assigned to a company, maybe further investigations into the company would show something etc.

Yes I found it interesting and enlightening with it being very much on the lines of SMD. I am currently rebuilding a unit here and will be driving it so as to create initial heat to help start reaction, and then after do tests as outlined in the patent app: and also liked by ION.

Mike

Mike, I congratulate your approach of BUILDING a unit and testing it as you noted.  Very good! 

For my part, I plan to attend the ICCf18 conference in July and i'll share what I learn there.  I expect that Rossi's claims will be a topic of discussion, for example.  If there is anyone you'd like me to talk to, let me know.  I think that Celani and Hubler are doing good work, perhaps others.

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Hi Steven

In the Godes patent app: he is using a half bride to drive a transformer with a square wave and the secondary produces a strange AC with the anode being the center tap. Normally the center tap would be on the primary side of the transformer, as in an inverter. Now SMD is a square wave AC on one electrode, the other two basicly being a fixed anode and cathode.

The patent talks about there being a special insulation between the two cathodes!!! and not a short through the reactor rod (15), that is the part I'm not sure about, but anyway I will be using my SMD to start with, but at high current and higher frequency

Mike

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I found this site and thought I would post a link

http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/

some interesting reading if you dig deep enough

Mike

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Here is a link to a cold fussion assessment, in general.

http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/papers/storms/review8.html

Steven, your name appears at the begining

Mike

[PhysicsProf]

The Storms article [http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/papers/storms/review8.html ] states:

In 1989, Pons and Fleischmann [1] (P-F) caused a media storm by claiming to cause fusion to take place in an ordinary electrolytic cell containing D2O. This process was first named "Cold Fusion" by Steven Jones - an especially poor description. The names "Chemically Assisted Nuclear Reactions" (CANR) and "Low Energy Nuclear Reactions" (LENR) more correctly describe the phenomenon.

Notice that Storms provides no reference for his statement, "This process was first named "Cold Fusion" by Steven Jones - an especially poor description."
In fact, I strongly opposed calling the "P-F process" cold fusion from day one.  

I believe the problem arises when one conflates two distinct processes:

1.  A small fusion-enhancement effect in metals which we observed at BYU -- this is what Paul Palmer and I called "cold fusion" beginning in 1985-86, years before we even heard of P &F.  The cold d-d fusion process produces measurable ENERGETIC proton and neutron emission, demonstration of a true d-d fusion process, and the term cold d-d fusion applies.  Our observation has been verified and made 100% reproducible in experiments in Japan and Europe (see my website for references).

2.  An anomalous excess heat effect which P&F claimed, which they admitted does NOT produce commensurate neutrons and which is still not 100% reproducible.  This is a different phenomenon from (1).

I strongly urged Fleischmann to NOT call the anomalous heat effect "cold fusion" -- I did NOT call this process cold fusion!

Storms and others like to call the P-F anomalous heat effect "CANR" or "LENR" as we see in Storms' paper -- but even that is not sure at this time, we don't know that the excess heat is nuclear in origin.  It should just be called an "anomalous heat effect" until the source of the excess heat is determined experimentally.

A factual history of the cold fusion research at BYU is given here:  http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/131history.html

My recent comments on the anomalous heat effect here:  http://pesn.com/2012/11/19/9602225_Steven_Jones_replica--Pons_and_Fleischmann_XS_Heat_not_from_fusion/

My website:  http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/

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All well noted Steven, now what do you think about this:-

http://www.starscientific.com.au/

I have my ideas on this   and go one step further to create power direct and not thermal. Creating pions first and decay into muons, use sea water for the deuterium which is also the electrolyte. I think finding the right frequency is the thing "sunday musing in 35c of temperature and of course a beer".

Mike

[PhysicsProf]

All well noted Steven, now what do you think about this:-

http://www.starscientific.com.au/

I have my ideas on this   and go one step further to create power direct and not thermal. Creating pions first and decay into muons, use sea water for the deuterium which is also the electrolyte. I think finding the right frequency is the thing "sunday musing in 35c of temperature and of course a beer".

Mike

Ah, muon-catalyzed fusion!!   great stuff.  Web-site says,

By focusing years of determined research on a single element of the fusion process – the catalyst – Star Scientific Limited is perfecting a world-first technique to economically produce pions, and hence muon catalysed fusion, in a CONTROLLED and SUSTAINED way.

I looked at this question of pion production years ago.  The most efficient way to produce negative pions that I could find was - head-on colliding tritons.  (Negative pions decay into negative muons.)  But even then, the process was not commercially viable.

But this company does not say what their method is, so I'd need to know that to comment on their method.

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Well I am now getting some things together to experiment in the excess heat area of this so called LENR. It is still going to take some time to build it amongst all the other things I am working on, I will post my plans as I get what I think is a workable design.

Now as this is in an area of few people to see the posts and work, I will let you into a secret of many inventions which is not shown directly in patents or other works, including mine.

I will give an example of the Davy heater, he talks of AC but if you look at the drawing it is shown as DC + -. What I found some years ago was that you need an AC square wave and not a sine wave or a pulsed DC, it is VERY different. A sine wave is a ramp up and down, the reacting part has been cut off, smoothed off, it is needed the sharp transition and not the ramp up and down. This transition should be as instant as possible, but if you are using a half bridge there will be a very small delay so as not to blow the switching mosfets or IGB's. For those in the know of RF and radio, we can make a transmitter with an AC square wave, it is dirty if it is not cleaned up, but for our work we need that dirty signal, we are not going to transmit "hopefully" outside our rig.

Now there is a second part to this which is using two different frequency signals heterodyning at the point where you want the reaction, this is at it's best at a 6X split, but others will work and I may go into this later on, both were used for the splitting of salt water using RF. So as you can see this in your mind I want you to think of an old toy we used to play with, can't think of the name, a loop of string going through two holes in a piece of card, take the two ends of the loop of string in your two hands and wind it up and then pull outwards, it unwinds and winds up in reverse, then we pull apart again and it goes in reverse, each time gaining in momentum, sometimes breaking the string if you pull too hard have you got the idea? that snap of instant reverse? whiplash? I hope you have the idea, not easy to explain. Also the seasaw if you change the frequency between one end of the plank of wood and the other, it will break in the middle.

I will continue this later, her indoors is calling

Mike

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OK back again. Now talking about whiplash, when we crack a whip in the air we get that crack sound at the point of instant return, that is what we are looking for in electron movement, that change of direction or disorientation, things start hitting one another, the sh-t hits the fan breaking apart and or fusing together. Did I say fussion? that part I am undecided at the moment like Steven

I am not sure how others are driving there cell reactors at the moment, but I am quite certain I will be  going down this path at the moment. For those who tested the SMD with SS utensils "poor quality SS" they will have seen the breaking apart of the alloy, and fast. Do we have what we want? I think so, just needs a slight change in configuration, frequency and power, and of course the right metal and H1/2 and maybe also carbon into Fe is a strong possibility, I have seen this starting to happen at certain frequencies and voltages, the carbon has reduced and been replaced by iron which has then oxidised forming FeO2 in large amounts that can't be explained any other way.

Well for those that want to try this and have the electronics for SMD, then all that needs to be done is to change the mosfets for higher voltage and amperage mosfets or IGB's, I am talking line voltage here, 220v or 110v depending on which side of the pond you are. Just be careful, we are using lethal power here, isolation transformer is needed here with FWBR and a large cap.

Mike

More to come

[PhysicsProf]

  Hi, Mike -- you bring up more interesting concepts. 

When you say "whiplash" or different frequencies on the two ends of a see-saw, I think of Celani's report that NON_EQUILIBRIUM conditions are NEEDED to get the anomalous heat effect.  He emphasized that more than once.  Celani uses hydrogen (H2) loading into constantan wire, then deloading; heating then cooling; etc - to get non-equilibrium.

Your whiplash sounds similar to me, is that right? or am I out in left field here.

BTW -- people are having trouble replicating Celani's device...  perhaps there is something he is overlooking or not controlling fully?

BElow, for fun, my photo with my friend (from many years back) - Celani on the left - at the ICCF18 conference:

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I have been out of action as far as the internet for a bit, while I have been working on this type of system. I have now come up with a possible explanation to certain "LENR" events which has led me to change the name a bit "LENTR" low energy nuclear transition reaction, I think this is more apt., I will explain with the help of cutting and pasting known events so as to save time

There is more to come as far as this pdf.

On testing here there have been transitions, but what I have been looking at is why and how, this so far is the best I can come up with which holds water. Now these transitions have a very short half life and as so are difficult to measure, we are talking micro seconds, though if the reaction is continuing for any length of time then it should be possible to measure it, not by me as I do not have the equipment to do this. The transitions are complex and I have the x-ray SEM numbers which have shown not just one transition but a chain in some cases of an actual test run with SMD.

I have past this in front of a chemist and he agreed with me on a logical basis of what was going on, he was also very excited by it and that I should persue more into this. I am not talking of any great thermal generation, but,current generation from electrons which normally would have been destroyed very quickly but in this case were collected to be used again, so keeping the electron balance right for the final transition element. With reading the pdf you will see what I am talking about, it is complex and takes a bit to see what is happening.

I am putting together SEM analysis of the test in another pdf and you will see the results of the transition which can only be explained by what I have put forward, this was put together by my chemist friend and I. The power output is of high current density once collected, of which in the next setup will, I hope be able to run the system until the fuel rod has been totally destroyed or stops working. I will be doing a video of this once I have it ready.

Steven I am sure you will like this and that you will understand more than most, your comments would be appreciated

Mike

[PhysicsProf]

 Very interesting, Mike.  I'll take a look at this later today (we have family visiting but they leave today.) 
Thanks!

[Centraflow]

Here is the second part showing results analysis

Mike

[Centraflow]

I am more than a bit snowed under at the moment with fighting off the wolves, but this is where I am at the moment, so if anyone wants to experiment they can. Just be careful as there are lethal voltages and currents here, so you are warned and I take no responsibility if you build this.

I think there is enough info to build it, for those who can't read asc files as in spice, I have also scanned a print

enjoy

Mike

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I see the grub has been let out of her box again, well I'm not going to reply, I have a better education than that.

Now down to the system I have shown. Tests have been done only at lower voltages and not generating a visable plasma, as I am waiting for a variac which I do not have at the moment.

You will notice that there are only two electrodes, what normally would be a third electrode in SMD, has been removed and the connection made to the what would be the anode (1). This will not give a short as the M1 and M2 have a delay produced by the LT1158 and so no shoot through. You will see that I have placed another diode D11 on the source of the high mosfet, I have had to do this to stop oscillations in that mosfet which seem to come from the LC of the primary and the C2 power cap, this was not where I wanted an oscillation to occur, C2 is collected and reused electron power only.

When higher voltage is used and a plasma formed, the current generated in that primary will be high and also the voltage, well that is what I'm expecting if my theory is right. A similar coil was used by a very respected Whoopy in one of his LENR experiments, when he got it into resonance. Here is a link:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIgRZCGISCY

Now Whoopy has not realised what maybe happening with the coil and cell being an LC circuit!! Using the SMD type system we change the parameters so as we can extract electrical energy from the electron movement.

More to come

Mike