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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #75 on: 2014-01-26, 19:03:38 »

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Quote from: Groundloop on 2014-01-26, 18:47:20
Mike,

The block in the circuit diagram marked "G" is like this attachment.

GL

Are you sure about that? where did you get the circuit from?

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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #76 on: 2014-01-26, 19:09:10 »

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I will have to look at that more, using a PWM control chip of this standard in relation to the circuit posted, hmmm

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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #77 on: 2014-01-26, 19:15:37 »
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Quote from: Centraflow on 2014-01-26, 19:03:38
Are you sure about that? where did you get the circuit from?

regards

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Mike,

He did post this circuit in his former 30 Watt circuit drawing on a Russian forum.
Then he posted the 60 and 80 Watt version. He was probably lazy and did use the
same oscillator (as I posted) in the new version, but on the new version drawing he
did just draw a block "G" to show the oscillator. The AUX in my drawing was
not used in the 30 Watt version. But in the 60 and 80 Watt version he added a
transistor and did use the AUX to drive that transistor. All three versions attached.
Also attached the coil design he uses.

GL.
   
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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #78 on: 2014-01-26, 22:32:03 »
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Wesley has translated the new Guys Vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n22MNKrusA&feature=youtu.be

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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #79 on: 2014-01-26, 22:43:34 »

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Dear All.

This cropped up on OU.Com.

Groundloop here are your component values !!  :)

But no coil data other than the fact that it looks to have similarities to Otto !!  ;)

Cheers Grum.


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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #80 on: 2014-01-26, 23:29:37 »

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Dear All.

A slightly cleaner view !! :)

Cheers Grum.


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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #81 on: 2014-01-27, 05:49:02 »
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Quote from: Grumage on 2014-01-26, 23:29:37
Dear All.

A slightly cleaner view !! :)

Cheers Grum.

Grum,

Thanks. :-)

GL.
   
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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #82 on: 2014-01-27, 07:42:40 »
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Quote from: Grumage on 2014-01-26, 22:43:34
Dear All.

This cropped up on OU.Com.

Groundloop here are your component values !!  :)

But no coil data other than the fact that it looks to have similarities to Otto !!  ;)

Cheers Grum.

Grum,

The coil drawing in your first picture differs from the coils in the video.
It will be impossible to replicate this circuit without any information on what the coil design are.

GL.
   
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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #83 on: 2014-01-27, 08:51:39 »

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Quote from: Groundloop on 2014-01-27, 07:42:40
Grum,

The coil drawing in your first picture differs from the coils in the video.
It will be impossible to replicate this circuit without any information on what the coil design are.

GL.

Yes I must agree, L1 is not @ 90 degrees I think or he would have shown this another way. To run L1 as the core in 4 parts connected in series just makes no sense to me

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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #84 on: 2014-01-27, 09:12:50 »

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I understand that L1 is a copper or aluminium tape like coil with 4 turns on a 12 cm former.
90 degrees on that are wrapped L2 and L3 normal wire coils.

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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #85 on: 2014-01-27, 10:06:42 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2014-01-27, 09:12:50
I understand that L1 is a copper or aluminium tape like coil with 4 turns on a 12 cm former.
90 degrees on that are wrapped L2 and L3 normal wire coils.

Regards Itsu

Then this is รก la SM as people "envisage" with a core coil, the four individual coils in the diagram meant to depict the four turns!

I really do think there is a lot of misinformation going on. Where did the idea of the core in the SM tpu's come from to start with? somebody's idea that it has to be like that to get rotation? it's been going on for years and years about this core coil, was it SM who said it was like that?

I'm open to anything "if" there is a strong support argument O0

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P S.  I personally am in favour by 80:20 of multiple frequency induction, possibly in the low audio range (bass sub hearing level), which is why the SM tpu vibrated. Well wasn't SM a speaker specialist? begs to think more of the man's background and how he stumbled onto this, think about what I posted on crowd control weapon, timing, dates etc!!!!


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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #86 on: 2014-01-27, 12:10:20 »
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well, I think it is simple to grasp now...however not simple to make working device  :-X
it's all about generating radio waves but not letting them to escape but catch and use to rise current
ever heard about a simple wire sparking on itself (end to end) nearby the radio transmitter ?  :D
   
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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #87 on: 2014-01-27, 14:16:12 »

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Dear All.

Yes, there definitively is an error between the two schematics shown, however a close scrutiny of the video pictures and the diameter given in that hand drawn schematic should give enough clues to wind the coil !!

I have attached a PDF of Otto's work and I see a close resemblance !! I even managed to successfully replicate the coil kick from page 9.

From that, I carried out further tests with a Torroidal transformer. I used a 12/12 to 240 V off the shelf transformer. I attached the output from a 12 V to 240 V cheapo inverter, the live to the start of one 12 v leg and the neutral to its opposite 12 v leg. Leaving open ends.
In other words, there was no closed circuit. I then attached a FWBR to the 240 v winding and was surprised to see a capacitor on the DC side charge up readily !!  This situation did not occur with a sinus signal but the effect was seen, if driven by the square wave output from the inverter.

In short, noise can make voltage !!  I think Mag's has also been looking at this phenomenon too. Using a higher frequency than mine??

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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #88 on: 2014-02-05, 10:47:19 »
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Translates Vasmus   Number 8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92yz5Y1img#t=1
   
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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #89 on: 2014-02-09, 23:14:52 »

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I toke a shot at this Akula 1W selfrunner circuit.

I know there are a lot of unknowns like transistors/diodes used and more important the construction of the 3 way coil.

At the end of the video there you can see how i think the coil could have been made.

Transistors/diodes used up till now:

NPN:  2N3055
      2n2222a
      mje13009
      mje3055
      mje13007

PNP:  bc557
      2n5401
      2n2905

diodes: UF4007
        1n4004
        1n4148
    
The R1 resistor is shown as 56K, but in other diagrams (see further back in this thread), it is shown as 100Ohm. I tried both.    

There are no oscillations going when feeding with 3V, also quick switching on/off does not trigger anything special.

Video here:  http://youtu.be/BdiTVJXMVTI

Perhaps i will have to redo the coil, putting more turns for L1 (like 4x 5 turns) to get the frequency down as it now resonates around 2.9MHz

Regards Itsu
« Last Edit: 2014-02-10, 08:47:27 by Itsu »
   
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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #90 on: 2014-02-09, 23:47:08 »
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thank you for sharing your efforts here.

your Youtube link does not go thru.

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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #91 on: 2014-02-09, 23:47:38 »

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Dear Itsu.

I can't seem to open the link to your video.

Could you try re posting the link please??

Cheers Grum.

BTW. A little bird told me the device runs around 1.7 MHz !!  ;)


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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #92 on: 2014-02-10, 08:50:55 »

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Sorry guys, not sure what happened, but it should be corrected now.

Yes, i saw that frequency mentioned before (1.7MHz), so that's perhaps something to tune for.
Any chance that little bird can tell us more?

I contacted Akula on an Email address i had, but after 3 days no reponse, so no little bird overhere   ;D

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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #93 on: 2014-02-10, 13:40:25 »
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Quote from: Itsu on 2014-02-10, 08:50:55
Sorry guys, not sure what happened, but it should be corrected now.

Yes, i saw that frequency mentioned before (1.7MHz), so that's perhaps something to tune for.
Any chance that little bird can tell us more?

I contacted Akula on an Email address i had, but after 3 days no reponse, so no little bird overhere   ;D

Regards Itsu

Itsu,

I did see your video, great work. But I think that you should try
a coil more like the one in the videos. The coils are wound ALL the same
direction. There are 4 coils outside the 2 inner coils. The 4 coils are
connected in series.

GL.
   
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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #94 on: 2014-02-10, 13:46:39 »

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Quote from: Groundloop on 2014-02-10, 13:40:25
Itsu,

I did see your video, great work. But I think that you should try
a coil more like the one in the videos. The coils are wound ALL the same
direction. There are 4 coils outside the 2 inner coils. The 4 coils are
connected in series.

GL.

Hi Groundloop,

thanks for the comment, you could be right, but are you sure?
I mean, look at the drawing, does it not show that L1 is 90 degrees of from L2/L3?

Thanks,  regards Itsu
   
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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #95 on: 2014-02-10, 14:26:29 »

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Dear Itsu.

IMO the coils are miss identified !! I think that L1 and L3 are inverted.  I wonder if the single ended coil that is wound around the circumference of the former acts as an antenna? Possibly to a length or fraction thereof of the wavelength of the frequency ??

I really do commend you for your work, I wish I was better at the electronic stuff !!

Cheers Grum.


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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #96 on: 2014-02-10, 14:41:51 »

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Quote from: Grumage on 2014-02-10, 14:26:29
Dear Itsu.

IMO the coils are miss identified !! I think that L1 and L3 are inverted.  I wonder if the single ended coil that is wound around the circumference of the former acts as an antenna? Possibly to a length or fraction thereof of the wavelength of the frequency ??

I really do commend you for your work, I wish I was better at the electronic stuff !!

Cheers Grum.

Hi Grum,

i am not sure i can follow you, what do you mean by "inverted"?
L3 is the single ended coil, so it can not be swapped (inverted?) by the L1 coil  :o

L3 is what i call the feedback coil and it will trigger the NPN transistor.

These pictures are similar as the hand drawn circuit (contains the 100 Ohm instead of 56K R4) and depicts the L1 coil as Groundloop suggests:

Regards itsu
   
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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #97 on: 2014-02-10, 15:16:38 »

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Also, when looking at this snapshot taken from this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_v0EHUYzYQ
i think i can see a (red/brown) capacitor at the top.

But there is no capacitor other then the elco visible in the diagrams. :D

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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #98 on: 2014-02-10, 15:35:57 »
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Quote from: Itsu on 2014-02-10, 13:46:39
Hi Groundloop,

thanks for the comment, you could be right, but are you sure?
I mean, look at the drawing, does it not show that L1 is 90 degrees of from L2/L3?

Thanks,  regards Itsu

Itsu,

If you look at the other drawings and videos form the same guy, then it is quite possible that he
reused the coil form earlier projects. One of his projects was a 4 coil switch. So I think that it is
likely that he did use that coil. If you wind all the coils in the same direction around your coil
form, then I think the circuit will oscillate OK.

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Re: Wesley NEWS : translates the"" VASMUS"" Video [AKULA TOO] « Reply #99 on: 2014-02-10, 15:44:43 »
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Quote from: Itsu on 2014-02-10, 15:16:38
Also, when looking at this snapshot taken from this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_v0EHUYzYQ
i think i can see a (red/brown) capacitor at the top.

But there is no capacitor other then the elco visible in the diagrams. :D

Regards Itsu


Itsu,

If you look at the two "self run" videos then you will see that there are two different circuits.
The first video has all the components as posted in the circuit diagram plus the capacitor that
you noticed. In the second video there was only two transistors and fewer components. So
he did change the actual circuit in the video but did not update the circuit drawing, as far
as I know. So I have some doubt about the self run part.

GL.
   
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