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Just in case it isn't known...

The Rotoverter name is bogus. The concept is said to have started in the early part of the last century.

As the story goes....

Farmers limited to single-phase utility feeds stuck with 3-phase equipment used the cap to make their equipment run.
Somewhere along the line they found that their utility bills were much less than expected because the utility company meters didn't account well at lower power factors.

Shortly after that the more accurate meters were being installed in rural areas (costs fell?) and the magic was gone.

The above info was learned from a farmer friend who passed away back in the 70's. He never indicated that they thought the extra energy came from nowhere but he did say it helped after the big stock market crash.
   

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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
Thanks for the info Steve.

I guess I was wrong. Glad to see that Brad didn't get swooped up by TPTB.

I wish him the best with his family crisis.


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Yes all the best to him and his family.

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@Poynt and Chet -- yes, we wish Brad all the best.

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Shortly after that the more accurate meters were being installed in rural areas (costs fell?) and the magic was gone.

So what are you worried about, WW, in avoiding joining this study (based on the 3-phase motor and cap) -- are you concerned that you cannot find one of these "accurate meters"??

And I don't ask this facetiously. 
   
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Measuring electrical power at any power factor or frequency up to 500mHz isn't a problem here. I have a fully functional Bird 4421 power meter with a home-brew sensor for measuring three phases. Granted, the home-brew part would be questionable to some but it has proven to be accurate to 1% from -0.5 to +0.5 pf.

Now, when the signals are full of transients or harmonics, I'll start using analog equipment and the work takes a little more effort.

Be aware that measuring the 3-phase portion of the circuit will throw almost any common equipment off because the expected 120 deg difference in vectors is not there. Two phases will be 180 deg and the third will vary with speed and load changes.

In my experience, rotoverters always run at very low efficiencies compared to a properly supplied polyphase motor. Measuring their power demands correctly is difficult and usually results in incorrect results showing the RV more efficient than a common motor.
   
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I would say, Yum! but, I'm gluten intolerant. Soy & soy products also cause problems for me.

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As far as worried (experiments)... not here. Real and apparent power, power factor as related to harmonics, non-sinusoidal , etc. are a must-do learning experience so folks can stop jumping for joy when they hear terms like 'reactive power' & zero 'power factor' - in the free energy field.

So many seem to think there is something free when the E/I waveforms are out of phase or their $39.00 Wally-World meter says there is more out than in.
   
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As far as worried (experiments)... not here. Real and apparent power, power factor as related to harmonics, non-sinusoidal , etc. are a must-do learning experience so folks can stop jumping for joy when they hear terms like 'reactive power' & zero 'power factor' - in the free energy field.

So many seem to think there is something free when the E/I waveforms are out of phase or their $39.00 Wally-World meter says there is more out than in.

I understand what you are saying WW and agree with you.  

Now I have a question (for all).  Below is a photo of a power output station for my home lab.  I had an electrician wire it to be certain it was done properly.  The round/standard meter I bought as my main power/energy input meter.  This feeds an outlet, into which I've plugged two cheaper power/energy meters, so I can compare the three meters with each other.
I've been calibrating them against each other.

OK -- jumping to my main question to WW (or anyone) -- if I run the 3-phase motor experiment with cap such that V and i are 90deg out of phase say,  will the round/standard meter (with rotating wheel) give me a correct value for Pinput (and Einput)?    
or not? (and why not?)
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Life can be hard sometimes, i hope tineman pulls through.  I was destabized a while back when we had a death in the family and it took a few years for me to heal somewhat and get back to experimenting.

Other reasons can be divorce, problematic children, financial problems, accidents, you name it, lots of things can get to us.

I use to get very discouraged after a device did not work as planed after spending many hours and money on it.  Now I just look at it as fun experimenting, nothing to prove or get worked up over.  Just having fun with electronics!

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Thanks again, EM.  A good example of someone having fun with electronics (ETC) is Lasersaber - check out his vid of 10 years of fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmN-UDyqdN0
   

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Watt Hour meters have some limitations.

The attached file has quite a lot of
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if I run the 3-phase motor experiment with cap such that V and i are 90deg out of phase say,  will the round/standard meter (with rotating wheel) give me a correct value for Pinput (and Einput)?

If that meter is single-phase and you only connect it to single phase Pin/out and the THD+N (total harmonic distortion plus noise) is within the meter's operating specs it should be fairly accurate.
Please note: The short time resolution may be difficult to read, depending upon the meter.
   
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Thanks, Dumped (I've been reading it) and WW --

If that meter is single-phase and you only connect it to single phase Pin/out and the THD+N (total harmonic distortion plus noise) is within the meter's operating specs it should be fairly accurate.
Please note: The short time resolution may be difficult to read, depending upon the meter.


Big help, and note that I can easily see into the rotating meter-wheel to get finer resolution, rather than just reading the dials out front.
   
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Intimidation fun? Prof you need some one looking after you .. I wonder if Dimitri Petronov  thought it was fun as they pulled his testicle off with a pair of pliers ? not much hohoho I'll bet!  >:( and I bet good O'l Stan had loads of fun as his head exploded inside out ... yeah lets have fun 
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like a fun shower at Auschwitz ? you've got a certain amount of gallows humour I'll grant you that ...


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Thanks again, EM.  A good example of someone having fun with electronics (ETC) is Lasersaber - check out his vid of 10 years of fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmN-UDyqdN0


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I have a hard time seeing how you jump from the Quote above to "gallows Humor"and episodes with hand tools???

You are way off the mark on the actual context of that "fun" remark??

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Intimidation fun? Prof you need some one looking after you .. I wonder if Dimitri Petronov  thought it was fun as they pulled his testicle off with a pair of pliers ? not much hohoho I'll bet!  >:( and I bet good O'l Stan had loads of fun as his head exploded inside out ... yeah lets have fun  

like a fun shower at Auschwitz ? you've got a certain amount of gallows humour I'll grant you that ...


Are you threatening me, Duncan?
   

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Dimitri Petronov:

http://www.greenoptions.com/t/4210/dimitri-petronov-another-plasma-battery-technology-inventor-found-dead-in-river

First, inventor Aries DeGeus who patented his plasma battery at the IWPO was found dead in his car in an airport parking lot. Then MIT professor Eugene Mallove was found beaten to death. Now missing Russian inventor Dimitri Petronov may have been found in Russia's Volga River. I say "may" because the decomposed body was found without teeth or his hands making identification difficult - but not impossible. Here are the details...

http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/forum/showthread.php?42159-Plasma-Energy-Battery-Inventor-Dimitri-Petronov-Found-in-Moscow-Dead

To learn about the murder of DeGeus, visit this link...http://www.rexresearch.com/degeus/degeus.htm

Concerning  the murder of MIT Professor Eugene Mallove visit this link... http://open.salon.com/blog/green_energy_reports/2011/07/01/thorium_plasma_battery_technology_-_wrongly_top_secret

Whose arranging for all these deaths? Visit this link and you be the judge: http://www.missing-or-murdered.blogspot.com

More on plasma batteries:

http://peakoil.com/alternative-energy/thorium-plasma-batteries-the-disruptive-oil-giant-killer-technology

http://www.greenoptions.com/t/4190/inventor-creates-plasma-battery-that-lives-longer-than-people-using-thorium

http://www.zimbio.com/National+Science+Foundation+-+NSF/articles/hB0g3vD3aFY/New+plasma+battery+now+restricted+only+military
   
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Eugene Mallove was a respected friend of mine, as I've noted before.  

Insightful links, Grumpy.  http://open.salon.com/blog/green_energy_reports/2012/04/15/censorship_-_the_only_reason_we_are_still_addicted_to_oil

If it is true that TPTB and the military ALREADY have novel energy systems, and this seems likely, then we are just playing around. They have billions and billions to develop these "new energy" systems as they wish.  (Let's include the thorium battery.)    They could share the technology with "ordinary" people if they wanted to.  

They don't like people trying to get around oil-fossil-dependence, I think that's pretty clear.  
And why do I feel un-motivated to do novel energy experiments anymore?
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This all reaks of sheep and shephards, master and slave, stories that have us as "sinners" or unbelivers, rabbits that lay eggs , deers that fly with a guy in a red suit and toys , we are all involved in some way and we are all responsible for our actions .

There are those who would not like this balance upset , they are here and some of them are you but you dont know it . That is  how it has always been and is unlikely to change anytime soon .
I predict that we will disapear up our own backsides and all agree that it is a good place. It may well be the only truth.
Im already there perhaps?


Best to have fun and enjoy your life with the learning that is anything other than pissing of the gods of our own creation .

we have fire, we have cooked food, we have oil, we have mass agriculture, lots of gadgets  and entertainment  like never before ,and we have the other technology ..it is  just not time yet .

stand up and shout "look at me " and your head will be a target for all ,but the greedy men come first ,like honey to bees .

solve your curiosity by all means, but dont think you will change the world because when you see how simple it is you willl come to know the rest.

SM could have written this and I have become a part of the problem that I would not have believed back in 2006.

Be kind with each other , It really is a beautiful world
   
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Prof - you miss read me ... I got the impression you considered these threats non existent .. beneath consideration and had converted the thread by assuming this subject was simply irrelevant. I see now you have also have had friends in the firing line . by someone looking after you I intended in a friendly way .. in order that you understand what these horrible bastards do and how they go about it. I was certainly not threatening you I was however very much warning you, It may have seemed like my warning was intimidation and there could well have been a reason for that. despite being warned myself I took a laissez-faire attitude to the possibility and I paid for it! I also saw a friend and fellow researcher Dean Warwick who had just told me " I think this lecture could be my swan song" murdered on stage not five feet away from me. No I'm not threatening you, you are being threatened but certainly not by me! I like the fun approach but its no fun when your life gets ripped apart around you and that's just what they do ... assuming all the usual knots and bows haven't worked that is. This isn't fun .. IMHO  Its a war and the free energy aspect is one field of conflict. I know there are deaths and casualties in war, Some like Dean balanced those odds and bravely charged anyway. We Prof are little more than an optimistic militia and you have already pointed out the weapons and wealth (all our real wealth)  controlled by tptb. whilst no one has done significant damage to tptb ... yet, they are weakening. It is not simply the Intimidation nor is it only multi billion dollar exotic systems  that are 'locked away'. In fact if you keep researching where you are Prof my crystal ball tells me you'll be all over a very viable system very soon.
No its rather how to prosecute this war effectively. Perhaps your friend or mine could have made the price the slave owners paid much dearer ? certainly trying to broadcast information directly onto the www is well guarded, as are forums, until you learn to read 'hint and sign' that is. I was alluding to this subject when I opened .. do we really need another ..
This topic is specifically about intimidation and what can be done about it ... I suggest attack is the best form of defence , If you must prostitute what you have ... sell it dear
had Stan Mayer instead of driving about in a bug with H2O emblazoned  on it . quietly produced the spark plug and converted 2000  cars .. it would be a different tale.
Mayer knew the score he had a good idea of the risks
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He knew who was really running things ... he knew how they worked
 
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he knew he was a 'dead man walking' .... Stans first moves were to patent well out of the USA why ? because of the legal implication of " the information is officially transmitted out of the area of jurisdiction"  There are things that can be done to combat Intimidation, other than ignore the issue,  .... As Stan did you can make it very costly for tptb to 'neutralize' you, Its possible to do such collateral damage tptb can't fully recover the situation ... In a hundred years time people will still know who Stan Mayer was and the part he played . a good solder, he did his duty.If he had made 2000 cars .. tptb would still have still silenced him, the cars, and all the people. The damage to tptb would have been huge.                             
Me threaten you ? no! to advise you and more importantly other readers,  that you are threatened, (we all are)that intimidation is very real assuming you have avoided the almost automatic 'military service only' , and so you really really do absolutely need to research how to organise your attack. its far to late after the event. You see above Mike Comments he was obliged to take an ex gratia payment of £75,000 probably the bitterest money he ever handled I would suggest .. and I might add there's a trail of damage behind that. The same might be said of Robert Adams and Aspen same trick ..Its pretty typical I'm afraid it gives these horrid bastards a very thin framework to try and hang legitimacy on, the full weight of the law and the state can then be applied to YOU .. cause your so special 'bless'
I call that intimidation too !( but just call me picky if you want) strange that doesn't work if you've taken a $10 provisional patent out in other countries ... after all how can you possibly be held responsible for something you no longer have control of? 




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How many more to be .threatened, abused murdered, Their research in the hands of evil corporations intent on total control ?
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b9/suppressed.pdf
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the real reasons for suppression and intimidation:

from: http://gvinstitute.org/newenergy/

In the 2008 recording I created, posted to the top of this page, I stress that real reasons the Revolutionary Energy and Transportation Solutions have been suppressed include;
a) They do not permit the centralized control of markets and national economies and governments to anything like the degree the centrally-managed fossil fuel and nuclear fission technologies permit
b) nor do they offer key status quo parties anything like the huge ongoing profit-and-tax revenue streams they're addicted and feel entitled to, nor similar levels of key political and social influence.
   
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the real reasons for suppression and intimidation:

from: http://gvinstitute.org/newenergy/

In the 2008 recording I created, posted to the top of this page, I stress that real reasons the Revolutionary Energy and Transportation Solutions have been suppressed include;
a) They do not permit the centralized control of markets and national economies and governments to anything like the degree the centrally-managed fossil fuel and nuclear fission technologies permit
b) nor do they offer key status quo parties anything like the huge ongoing profit-and-tax revenue streams they're addicted and feel entitled to, nor similar levels of key political and social influence.

Is this your website, Grumpy?  Well done! and informative.

How do you think TPTB would act towards a simple toy, like a self-running SMOT?
   PS - don't know of any that exist at present.
   
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Or you could just do this?
http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/11/25/1928/8502387_rar-energie-posts-photos-of-gilman-illinois-gravity-motor-build-progress/

Wanna take a field trip??

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Is it done yet?  wonder how much power (numbers) it will generate?  let's also keep an eye on how 'they' react if it works well...
   

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Is this your website, Grumpy?  Well done! and informative.

How do you think TPTB would act towards a simple toy, like a self-running SMOT?
   PS - don't know of any that exist at present.

Not my site.  I just found the "real reasons" to make sense after a basic economics class (finishing the semester this week).

"Limited use" devices do not appear to attract much attention.   Take the Methernitha device, for example. No one has silenced them or stolen their devices.  Of course they are not sharing the knowledge of how they work, but the point is that they claim to have working devices and no one is bothering them.  They tried t scale to device up to 20kw (as I recall) and it didn't work.   They then stated that that the devices could not be scaled up that far.  So, you might run some lights or appliances, but not a car or a city from these devices.  There is no anti-gravity or weight-loss properties reported to accompany these devices.  Same goes for the group in Mexico with the devices that Hendershot showed them how to make.

Compare these to Moray, Steven Mark, Stephan Marinov, Energia Celeste, and others with more potential.

As for the SMOT, I knew a man in Florida many years ago who made a working magnetic motor that ran continuously once started.  He used it to drive a generator and power his home.   It was large, a couple hundred pounds, with magnets and a wooden frame.  He wrote a letter to some defense organization, as the story goes.  They came for a look and he didn't hear from them again, but shortly after their visit, the motor was stolen right out of his home.  He still has a small working example, built from a CD drive, on his desk where he works that he claims has been running for several years lighting a small bulb.  He is afraid to rebuild his large motor, taking the theft as a warning.  Anyway, he told me how it worked and it is very simple.  He devised a clever way to shield the magnets and then unshield them with very little work.   Essentially a magnetic field pulsing system where you move the field vectors rather than heavy magnets by shutting the field on and off mechanically.

EDIT: I can share the "trick" if anyone wants to build one.
   
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Grumpy,
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EDIT: I can share the "trick" if anyone wants to build one.

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I am quite sure some folks would Love to play with this here,perhaps you can ask the fellow if he would like to take part
in a replication?

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Grumpy,
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EDIT: I can share the "trick" if anyone wants to build one.

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I am quite sure some folks would Love to play with this here,perhaps you can ask the fellow if he would like to take part
in a replication?

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I have not talked to him in years and the last time I did he had zero interest in developing his motor further.  He had no doubts that it will work, but feared the suppression aspect.

The "trick" as he called it is very simple.   Basically, you need to shield (or cap) the magnetic flux and then unshield it at the right time, but use very little energy (work) to shield and unsheild.  So, after several failed attempts at sliding a high mu plate across the face of a magnet, he had the novel idea to reduce the friction.  He made a small cup in the plate with a drill (like when it just starts to cut) and put a ball in the cup, held between the face of the magnet and the plate.  The plate now slides across the face of the magnet without actually touching it, and the ball rolls on the magnet face, under the plate.  He used a small solenoid to actuate the plate, but just to move it, not hold it, so the solenoid is on-off very fast.

That's the basic principle.  The rest is like a pulse motor, but you turn the flux on and off electro-mechanically, with much less current than a conventional coil requires.  Al Franceour (spelling?) shared a design for a variable reluctance generator many years ago.  That type of generator might be adapted to this method.

A test of the principle is if you can move the shield with less energy than you get when the flux changes.
   
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