What to do about INTIMIDATION?

[Chet K]

Grumpy
so this was at the heart of his design?
I have some MU metal from old shielding experiments [somewhere ]

thx for the info.

Chet

[Duncan]

Hi Grumpy – first I apologise for the amount of media content , I really wanted to highlight points here,  you reference the causes of the intimidation as opposed to the question asked which is basically, what to do about it. I guess your right and a look at why and who and the economics is useful, You correctly identify some of the pressure points whilst omitting some I think are important . First be under no apprehension what so ever that free at point of assess energy machines exist .. by the thousand. Here is Dr Greer giving testimony to that fact . We have had the technology to take ET home for years and years.

The whys of the matter are rather more down to Greed and Empire, The perception swings as you move through the pages of history and anyway as Stalin said regarding his Mass murders "who cares Its the victors who write the history books" Normally that would be the case however for tptb the advent of the  computer proved an unexpected exception to that maxim. The web has  allowed the winners, the losers and the also rans to write the History and when they do It can make very uncomfortable reading, I have written on the subject of the causes of intimidation before and luckily that's retrievable (even if dated) I wrote this .. The downfall of America is not a very nice prospect particularly as it will bring everything crashing down behind it .  
I happen to be British but obviously fall under the same empire like it or not. Here then regarding the impending doom which I start to consider is totally unavoidable because the system is founded on lies and deception so here then is my (perhaps wrong view of the causes) And the principle architects  I first suspect that like the British public before them Americans have got totally confused with the "American Empire" history records that at the height of empire the British public lived in dire conditions ergo the empire is nothing what so ever to do with the population .
The population are sorry to say for the most part unknowing dupes . Cannon fodder to keep the cap stones in place. It seems to me that any real wealth is being moved east at a huge rate of knots. It looks rather like all that will remain is promissory notes for liable debt. Which promise the bearer misery and starvation.
I guess Its an energy forum and I'd like to tie that to the dollar, the empire , and its inevitable and rapid destruction and planned replacement ... after all you may see a way out, which I cant.
First I think for all the Smarmy talk and diplomatic diatribe this is Tricky Dicky on behalf of the American people .. welshing on Its debts and internationally arranged obligations in a way that Greece for instance or Spain cannot do in the present day.

Tricky being one of a long list of odious lying smarmy criminals picked for the 'ring masters job' the lies are well written and rehearsed allow me to translate some of this short spiel.
The international speculator's in this case was the French government who needed to fund their social services ... and by far the biggest economy meant .. Biggest debt in the world and very complicated means up yours suckers And temporary means if you suckers buy this crap ... till hell freezes over . A pillar of international currency   I wont even bother translating that ... washed out with soap , comes to mind.
What then could possibly induce anyone to buy this useless currency of a bankrupt nation backed only by lies represented by a slime ball who could slither under a closed door with his top hat on ?
It was IMHO the slight of hand and trickery of Kissinger here explained in a short series of video's which I hope you can take the time to watch. these are nearly 10 years old .. and so I'm sorry If I'm preaching to the converted.

So Its blatant and obvious that the "American empire and the ruling class have arranged a skewed system founded on a dollar which is tied by trickery lies and sleight of hand to energy.
The problem is energy is freely available I have proved it many times to myself and so have many others on this forum ... Hence the brick wall that researchers encounter regarding "free energy" If free energy were introduced today the Dollar would be worthless tomorrow most of the worlds currencies would follow .. that became obvious watching the recent debt ceiling fiasco which only seems to have moved the USA further down the credibility rankings anyway.  
China is buying huge parts of the USA and Europe and of course the currency.
I have no doubt in due course. When the elite have finished extracting all the real wealth and moving it east these "assets" will be dumped on the market. The result "a new empire same emperors. .. no doubt after a huge bloody conflict of some sort.
After all the total population of the puny USA doesn't even make up the census "error factor" of China.
assume I have the information that allows a simple 5kw power source should it be released ?
Its not even really a case of should it .. I'd be brown bread before it came to market! Many paid Nay sayers and sceptics patrol forums and the the web their job is obvious.  
If a 200 year supply of oil, (even taking into  account population growth and expansion)  were discovered on American soil would there be great national celebrations and street parties ? Guess what .. It happened, Here's the result

At the moment the question seems rather like asking release your machine?  Do you want the world system to  collapse today or tomorrow? How badly do you want you or your family damaged ?
I must confess I didn't really grasp the significance of "The debt ceiling" anyway surly with this rotten skewed system America could just roll the presses any time it wants anyway and print some more paper. everyone else has to pay for by the barrel load ? Oops I forgot the federal bank isn't an organ of the state ... is it?
I'm afraid the whole health Industry is corrupted too. pretty much world wide . Starting with Hoxey .. Rife and on down the line.
So it seems to me America is going down the pan taking a lot of innocents with it.  It has a system you see built on lies and trickery. Its obvious that sooner or later the "truth will out" Especially a truth this size, IMHO  The sooner the better.
Strangely Its not really an American issue at all although the very recent chapters of the saga have played out on American soil . Alex Jones gives a pretty good overview in this documentary .. Its still all evil, lies, trickery , greed and enslavement I'm afraid

As you clearly see I hope Grumpy Its not really a "energy" issue if it wasn't energy then it would be air , or water ,food or any other of life's essentials, Its obviously a very radical change in the way we humans treat each other and the rewards due for helping fellow humans as we go about life.
These people who have tricked and manoeuvred the free evolution of humanity certainly need bringing to book and stripping of all the wealth they have stolen. Free energy however isn't the issue the issue is .. The right for free energy to be developed amongst a free humanity who are prepared to defend each others rights to do so.
Education ? Do you think that might help Grumpy ? They'll teach you what they want you to know

Consumption ..  as far as America is concerned .. spending other peoples wealth on things they haven't earned and don't deserve or really need, In regard of a totally bankrupted currency supported by oil and energy because of trickery and the Petro Dollar
This clock is kept rolling by old age pensioners in Spain and Greece eating pet food

 
Whilst African's in oil rich countries die of thirst and hunger. Tptb don't care less if you know or not , any more than an extortionist in Chicago cared less if the club owner knew he was an extortionist why should they? Its obvious anyway. They only cared that he 'paid up' and obeyed.
The bubble will bust its inevitable, tptb are moving their assets accordingly if you can't see where you must have blinkers on. The trouble is Tptb and their criminal friends the Bansters have discovered the wheeze works so well every countries been forced to have "a clock" . The extortionists heavies collect the dues.
That's the why pretty much .. at least as I see it, What to do about It is a much bigger and very different question and a lot more difficult to tackle. After all If every one, and every country is a debtor Grumpy, I wonder if you would be kind enough to ask your economics teacher .. where has all the real wealth gone?

[PhysicsProf]

I have not talked to him in years and the last time I did he had zero interest in developing his motor further.  He had no doubts that it will work, but feared the suppression aspect.

The "trick" as he called it is very simple.   Basically, you need to shield (or cap) the magnetic flux and then unshield it at the right time, but use very little energy (work) to shield and unsheild.  So, after several failed attempts at sliding a high mu plate across the face of a magnet, he had the novel idea to reduce the friction.  He made a small cup in the plate with a drill (like when it just starts to cut) and put a ball in the cup, held between the face of the magnet and the plate.  The plate now slides across the face of the magnet without actually touching it, and the ball rolls on the magnet face, under the plate.  He used a small solenoid to actuate the plate, but just to move it, not hold it, so the solenoid is on-off very fast.

That's the basic principle.  The rest is like a pulse motor, but you turn the flux on and off electro-mechanically, with much less current than a conventional coil requires.  Al Franceour (spelling?) shared a design for a variable reluctance generator many years ago.  That type of generator might be adapted to this method.

A test of the principle is if you can move the shield with less energy than you get when the flux changes.

Thanks for sharing this "trick" of moving the magnetic shield, Grumpy!

I have not talked to him in years and the last time I did he had zero interest in developing his motor further.  He had no doubts that it will work, but feared the suppression aspect.

Here then we have another example of suppression/ intimidation.

Let me say about my own efforts in the freedom energy arena.  Fact is, I have lost motivation to do actual experiments or tests almost entirely over the past months.  Elements of a light-water electrolysis system have been sitting on my bench for months - no experiments.  (No Davey-bell experiments for a long time.)  Likewise a MOT that Chet sent me is sitting - sorry Chet, I just can't find the "oomph" to wire it up.  I'll send it back to you if you'd like.  

I have played with some small motors built by Slider -- very tiny power consumption which is fun, but certainly NOT ou.  I may also look more at the SMOToy if I can get off my duff.  That's just a toy, very small scale.  Haven't seen more than one "loop" yet!

I did enjoy the ICCF-18 conference last July -- listening to others' research.  The transmutation data looks very strong IMO (Iwamura et al).  But I'm not in a position to replicate that.

 Perhaps my lack of motivation since about February 2013 (as I think back) has to do with factors being discussed here.  I'm giving more attention to family lately, grand-kids.  And I'm a praying man - and I just don't feel the drive to do significant energy tests anymore. Finances quite tight now...  Also my health has been faltering, weakness and muscle cramping... with trouble sleeping to boot.  My wife is worried... (IT's 2:18 am as I write, and my right thumb can't feel the space bar.)  Seeing doctors, not sure what the problem is...  No, I don't think "tptb" are doing this to me...  But I am very tired a lot.  Falling asleep sitting, with food in my mouth, sheesh!

Sorry.  That's the way it is...  I hope some will carry on.

[Duncan]

Wow Prof .. I hope you get better and come back for another bat of the ball ..  and quickly.
I think we all know things have to change and I know the present  subject isn't very palatable.  :(Still guys of your kudos prepared to apply the proper scientific rigour are badly needed ! Even if you sometimes misinterpret my scribble ! I just like everybody else am trying to bring a change about , It surly must come as sure as eggs is eggs. I hope your feeling better in a short while and prepared to pick up the cudgels again,  Best wishes Prof 

[PhysicsProf]

  Thanks, Duncan.   I slept pretty well for about 4.5 hours straight so I'm feeling a bit more chipper this morning.

Perkins - very interesting and informative from and insider who became a whistleblower.  Part 1 at 10 minute mark talks about the petrodollar- very important to understand.

[Grumpy]

Thanks for the videos Duncan.  I can't view them at work, but will view them later.

I think that even the explanations of power and greed do not explain all of the reasons for suppression, and we may never know the real ones.  Just like in the X-Files series, the real reasons were to protect the population from aggressive aliens.

Education helps even if they teach you what they want you to know.  When you know how to "learn", you can learn on your own, but you need a foundation to start with.

As for how to fight suppression, be it by TPTB or others:

You should stay anonymous, but most people have already ruined that route for themselves.  Many suppressed individuals also sought to get rich and/or famous.  Giza Korcsmaros remained relatively quiet, and the rest of his group remained anonymous.  Spherics also appears to have followed this route, as he mentioned "we" several times, but who makes up the "we" is never divulged.

For several years Steven Marks had no issues with any authorities, as he was relatively unknown to them.

Use tactics that enhance speed, like:
Guerrilla warfare is a form of irregular warfare in which a small group of combatants such as armed civilians or irregulars use military tactics including ambushes, sabotage, raids, petty warfare, hit-and-run tactics, and extraordinary mobility to fight a larger and less-mobile traditional army.

Notice that I underlined "mobility".  How fast could someone release information on the internet and to non-mainstream media?  They couldn't stop Edward Snowden.  Sure they scared him out of the country, but the damage was done.  Now, what if an anonymous group did something like that?  I suppose they will eventually find you, as so few people are truly anonymous, but it will take a long time, and by the time they do, the damage is done and the information is out there. 

Spherics claimed to have and to have made several devices.  He had no problems with authorities until he posted a video of a working device, then they came for a scare-visit, and he stated later that showing proof is what gets their attention.  Keep in mind though that he probably worked on a team that developed the devices and was therefore already known to the authorities.

One problem is that the well of information is so poisoned that few will believe a device is real and take it at face value.



If you can document everything and outrun TPTB, you might stand a chance, but I also accept the possibility that you can't outrun them and significant risk is involved.

[Chet K]

So the Model is Altruism,no benefit expected or implied.

A hard thing to stop ,and for the most part it has not been a problem for TPTB everybody usually is in it for money
and that infrastructure is completely theirs to run.

thx
Chet

[Grumpy]

So the Model is Altruism,no benefit expected or implied.

A hard thing to stop ,and for the most part it has not been a problem for TPTB everybody usually is in it for money
and that infrastructure is completely theirs to run.

thx
Chet

Yes.  It also helps to be discreet. 

[Duncan]

Great Grumpy I can deal with that .. even though I disagree with a portion, to be a bit more specific this portion -
'anonymous'
you consider it an advantage ? I'm not at all convinced of that , people who are named  ' fuggle ball bag' (for instance) and then  simply disappear , who knows who they were, what they believe, never mind what they intended or what they did ?
If you Grumpy are an alternative energy researcher then its surly a very proud thing to be ? Why the hell should you think ... or even be inclined to think you have to hide it ?
Why ever should you not be able to say.. I am Michael J Nummerley (for Instance)I live here .. I do this. And I'm proud of it! And I think this that or the other ? .. and I do it because it's right ? Why is an AKA needed at all ?
As Jim Tucker said in end game "Evil is done in the dark Good things are in the sun light, So In regard of anonymity Grumpy I don't think ... I'm in agreement... perhaps if a free energy forum were kicked into operation where each member had to make a full CV available to the other members ... well a lot crap would be In "box 13' and most opposition tactics would be neutralised, It also often crosses my mind (and perhaps its a touch of paranoia)  that anything I have on a hard drive connected to the internet Isn't secure. I am fairly certain that if tptb actually want that information regardless of how safe and anonymous I think I may be its an illusion and they simply take it. I also strongly suspect they can quickly identify you , your address, and if they so wish probably know more about you than you do yourself in hours. I suggest what you think makes you safer actually makes you very Isolated and vulnerable.   I'm quite happy to openly ' be me' .. however  an agent and  tptb isn't .. In fact cant be , they must operate in "secret societies" and snuffle about behind closed doors. Just as you saw the 'real world rulers' doing in 'The end game' I hate to draw this to your attention but .. you don't have to hide, there is no reason you should even start to think you have to hide, Its the inclination that makes you think you have to hide that's the danger. We each start to convince ourself s we are guilty. The whole thing is subtly reversed ... we start being furtive.
Its cunning isn't it ? Safety if you surrender your identity ? I advise we think about that Grumpy ..  why not Shout very loudly who we are, what we stand for , we are doing nothing wrong .. in fact if you wish to believe the official steaming heap of propaganda ..  we are a great asset contesting global warming hunting alternative energy sources.
Grumpy .. I love your logic and consideration but in the POW camps of WW2 the cry of humanity was .. recognition. I was this person , I endured this, I wrote this poetry . It certainly was not to be anonymous, It was  .. we, us, this, happened..record this..
so now I guess we edge toward the subject .. what to do about intimidation ? hide? Well history records .. that hasn't worked  
Still Grumpy I can agree to disagree and your at school learning stuff and I haven't been there for .. oh an age .. such an age , and I'm still  happy to learn ,   still I see no harm in saying .. I'm Bill/Fred / Bert .. I live here , this is what I do , and this is what I believe, and if you don't like that .. so be it
Indeed a free energy forum where full address and contact details with a full CV and verifiable references with full face photo ect was required in order for members to join, would IMHO really throw the cat amongst the pidgins. But now we get to the "what to do about it" Its a different question and a lot more complex.

[PhysicsProf]

  Vivian Kubrick on intimidation, the Constitution, and the insanity of tyranny.  (Lively interview with Alex Jones, after being shoved around by DHS "police" in Dallas.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6edQC2edYmI

[Centraflow]

  Vivian Kubrick on intimidation, the Constitution, and the insanity of tyranny.  (Lively interview with Alex Jones, after being shoved around by DHS "police" in Dallas.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6edQC2edYmI

Those home land guy's have their brains in their pumped up muscles, just look at them. Here in Spain last week they just passed some new laws about demonstrating and filming police etc etc, with fines of 600,000 euros yes you read me right on the fine. A few days later after a lot of aggro they reduced the fine to 60,000 euros and 2 years in prison

The filming of the police came about after 8 or 9 police beat up to death "murder in my book" an innocent man in Barcelona in November, and it looks like the whole thing will be covered up.

The world is sick I am sorry to say

Mike

[Duncan]

yeah .. The Spanish cops do seem to have a gung ho approach I notice here this guy is arrested without even  having his Miranda Rights  properly read. They certainly don't seem to play by the Queensberry rules Mike!

[Grumpy]

Great Grumpy I can deal with that .. even though I disagree with a portion, to be a bit more specific this portion -
'anonymous'
you consider it an advantage ? I'm not at all convinced of that , people who are named  ' fuggle ball bag' (for instance) and then  simply disappear , who knows who they were, what they believe, never mind what they intended or what they did ?
If you Grumpy are an alternative energy researcher then its surly a very proud thing to be ? Why the hell should you think ... or even be inclined to think you have to hide it ?
Why ever should you not be able to say.. I am Michael J Nummerley (for Instance)I live here .. I do this. And I'm proud of it! And I think this that or the other ? .. and I do it because it's right ? Why is an AKA needed at all ?
As Jim Tucker said in end game "Evil is done in the dark Good things are in the sun light, So In regard of anonymity Grumpy I don't think ... I'm in agreement... perhaps if a free energy forum were kicked into operation where each member had to make a full CV available to the other members ... well a lot crap would be In "box 13' and most opposition tactics would be neutralised,

Go ahead and become a martyr.  In pace requiescat. Eventus stultorum magister.

It also often crosses my mind (and perhaps its a touch of paranoia)  that anything I have on a hard drive connected to the internet Isn't secure. I am fairly certain that if tptb actually want that information regardless of how safe and anonymous I think I may be its an illusion and they simply take it.

They can.  They have spent billions to crack encryption, and intercept anything you send electronically.

I also strongly suspect they can quickly identify you , your address, and if they so wish probably know more about you than you do yourself in hours.

And to be at your location within 10 hours.  That's the goal at least.

I suggest what you think makes you safer actually makes you very Isolated and vulnerable.   I'm quite happy to openly ' be me' .. however  an agent and  tptb isn't .. In fact cant be , they must operate in "secret societies" and snuffle about behind closed doors. Just as you saw the 'real world rulers' doing in 'The end game' I hate to draw this to your attention but .. you don't have to hide, there is no reason you should even start to think you have to hide, Its the inclination that makes you think you have to hide that's the danger. We each start to convince ourself s we are guilty. The whole thing is subtly reversed ... we start being furtive.
Its cunning isn't it ? Safety if you surrender your identity ? I advise we think about that Grumpy ..  why not Shout very loudly who we are, what we stand for , we are doing nothing wrong .. in fact if you wish to believe the official steaming heap of propaganda ..  we are a great asset contesting global warming hunting alternative energy sources.

In case you have not gotten the hint:  They do not want this technology available to the populous at this time - period.   

"They" control almost everything:

the media, schools, the internet (except for the dark web and they are actively working to tame that side), satellites, microwave stations, telephone towers, all large-scale energy sources, the majority of the food supply, the majority of the pharmaceutical supply, hospitals, doctors and dentists, healthcare is in the works, most of the water supply, building materials, roads, property, housing (you just think you own it and have rights), and the military and police.

Grumpy .. I love your logic and consideration but in the POW camps of WW2 the cry of humanity was .. recognition. I was this person , I endured this, I wrote this poetry . It certainly was not to be anonymous, It was  .. we, us, this, happened..record this..
so now I guess we edge toward the subject .. what to do about intimidation ? hide? Well history records .. that hasn't worked  
Still Grumpy I can agree to disagree and your at school learning stuff and I haven't been there for .. oh an age .. such an age , and I'm still  happy to learn ,   still I see no harm in saying .. I'm Bill/Fred / Bert .. I live here , this is what I do , and this is what I believe, and if you don't like that .. so be it
Indeed a free energy forum where full address and contact details with a full CV and verifiable references with full face photo ect was required in order for members to join, would IMHO really throw the cat amongst the pidgins. But now we get to the "what to do about it" Its a different question and a lot more complex.

Did you every watch the movie "The Shawshank Redemption"?  Did Andy tell the whole world that he was slowly chipping his way through the prison wall, or that he was going to take the wardens stolen money after he reported him to authorities?  No.  He never said a word about it, not even to his friends.  Then when the time came, he executed his plan perfectly.

Maybe "anonymous" was a bad choice of words.  I should have used "discreet".

[PhysicsProf]

.... They have spent billions to crack encryption, and intercept anything you send electronically.
And to be at your location within 10 hours.  That's the goal at least.
In case you have not gotten the hint:  They do not want this technology available to the populous at this time - period.  

"They" control almost everything:

the media, schools, the internet (except for the dark web and they are actively working to tame that side), satellites, microwave stations, telephone towers, all large-scale energy sources, the majority of the food supply, the majority of the pharmaceutical supply, hospitals, doctors and dentists, healthcare is in the works, most of the water supply, building materials, roads, property, housing (you just think you own it and have rights), and the military and police.
...

OK -- do they control the BRICS nations?  I think less power/control there.  And thus, there is still hope that a device could come forth from one of the BRICS (or Islam) nations.

Possible example, although I'm certainly not endorsing this one:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:%D0%92%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%A8%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2_%28Vitaly_Shilov%29_QMoGen

Directory:Виталий Шилов (Vitaly Shilov) QMoGen

Compiled by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News
December 2, 2013


Here's another QMoGen. This one is from Russia. They appear to be in production and for sale.

They list a 2 kW system for sale for 60,000 Rubles (~$1,806 USD); and a 5 kW system for sale for 100,000 Rubles (~$3,010 USD).

The demo video shows the system powering an angle grinder (~1 kW) and a grinder / sharpener (~200 W).

Deggory from Singapore brought this to my attention.

http://bg2000.satom.ru/

[Grumpy]

OK -- do they control the BRICS nations?  I think less power/control there.  And thus, there is still hope that a device could come forth from one of the BRICS (or Islam) nations.

Possible example, although I'm certainly not endorsing this one:

http://bg2000.satom.ru/

I can only speculate on the inner workings of our system of control and how it operates between countries.   There appears to be suppression on a world-wide scale.   Although energy companies benefit, I don't think they are responsible, often blamed perhaps, but not responsible.  No, I think there is a much larger problem than just oil companies can explain.

Maybe the leaders of the world got together and made few decisions not to openly divulge the technology, openly use it, and to not allow it to be used - for some unknown reasons.

I was told that the devices can run-away with catastrophic results.  Imagine that in the wrong hands.

EDIT:

Then there is the earthquake inducing effect, and the tornado inducing effect to deal with.   The AVEC and TPU do not have these effects, as I understand them, since they use a toroidal vortex motion rather than a planar vortex motion. 

I was told an interesting story several years ago about a bunch people in the 1980's that made these ring-generators, planar vortex version.  One of them put the ring on his roof (no idea why), and a tornado developed in the sky above and destroyed the house.

[Chet K]

Intimidation Huh??
Spooky dudes with pliers??

These guys are building thorium power units for Auto drive systems ,Home power plants etc etc
I gram of thorium has the energy of 28,000. litres of gasoline.
8 grams will run the average auto for a century non stop.

http://www.laserpowersystems.com/inventor

China is on the hunt too
http://www.laserpowersystems.com/links

Laser power systems is less than one half hour from me.

Yes I will...................

thx
Chet

[Grumpy]

Interesting.

Having no thorium, I'll stick with the force field ideas...

[Chet K]

No Thorium?
maybe a geology course will be in my future,one with a very specific intent ....

here is the  Thorium Map of the US, some places seems steaped in the stuff!!

I am stupified by the energy density of Thorium as well as the apparent rediculously easy and cheap method for harvesting from it

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1413/NAMrad_U_let.gif&imgrefurl=http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1413/maps.htm&h=1125&w=1646&sz=269&tbnid=acXx5C1hb6nb6M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=132&zoom=1&usg=__pSsd_3fxeX7mbSTCFY9jQ3SL5jg=&docid=6jv20CVxCB0whM&sa=X&ei=Ks2fUq-vH5e-sQSMnYKQAQ&ved=0CDIQ9QEwAg

[Duncan]

Forsan miseros meliora sequentur
You note very well the level of control .. Its also clear that that you agree they suppress any alternative energy machine. That they have billions to spend on anything is obvious now the system is exposed. So agreed they do not want free energy in the hands of the great unwashed just at the moment. They will quite soon when conditions are right.
So to monitor and control free energy progress obviously paid agents are going to watch and infiltrate all alternative energy forums. Most appearing as ' hale-fellow-well-met ' whilst undermining the work of honest members, of course introducing doubt and slightly twisting theories. Calling everything a scam , and towing the official line.
It takes a long  time to sort the excrement out, traps have to be set, after all an agent isn't much good if the guy's instantly detectable is he? So here's a quite important question .. what do you consider the infiltration and corruption level of this particular  forum ?  What % of paid agents are 'members' watching the few and leading them up the garden path? P.J Kelly was of the opinion that in the case of OU.com the Rot was possibly as high as 70%. This of course is also a form of intimidation.

[Allcanadian]

@Grumpy

In case you have not gotten the hint:  They do not want this technology available to the populous at this time - period.  
"They" control almost everything:
the media, schools, the internet (except for the dark web and they are actively working to tame that side), satellites, microwave stations, telephone towers, all large-scale energy sources, the majority of the food supply, the majority of the pharmaceutical supply, hospitals, doctors and dentists, healthcare is in the works, most of the water supply, building materials, roads, property, housing (you just think you own it and have rights), and the military and police.

I imagine "they" are hiding under your bed at this very moment, lol, however the reality I have seen is very different. First the illusion of competence in government and military agencies is as false as your little rant at the machine. My guess would be 90% are mostly under-educated underachievers at best because I have dealt with hundreds of people in this area. The fact is when you talk to these people there is a first impression of control and intelligence but this is simply due to their training much like talking to a parrot and there is not much of real substance in them. I see this all the time and it is kind of comical to be honest because when the shit hits the fan in a context outside their training they usually have no idea what to do... that's when they call me.

In any case we all feel that we lack control in our lives and we all like to blame someone else for our troubles. Almost everyone has these feelings in this day and age because we are bombarded with advertising and media hype and we feel we are losing our freedom. Personally I'm still a farmer at heart and I do whatever the hell I want within reason, if I want to build a grid tie wind turbine I do it and I don't need to ask anyone for permission. If I want a new water well I drill one and again I don't need to ask anyone for permission and if they think I need to then they can kiss my ass. Basically I have opted out of the BS promoted by people who believe they should lose their freedom for the illusion of safety. No offence but I think the "modern" generation needs to grow a set of goddam balls and start acting like men again instead of whining about how persecuted they feel. Me, I'm going to continue my research as I see fit and share it with whomever I want whenever I want and if someone has a problem with that then I will deal with it.

AC

[Chet K]

I suspect since the advent of the internet the TPTB grow in numbers every day .
the only problem for them is all the seperate autonomous TPTB teams with all different agendas and there own special interests ....

Any group of Dingbats that thinks they can run this Mess under one team .


True insanity!

almost beyond belief??

I live not far from just one universiy {MIT] that is probably capable of driving just one TPTB team completely Mad with worry  
Fetching and cething just to keep on top of what all those truly gifted and curious young minds looking to make the world a better place are up to at MIT.

can you say Nano......

Good luck with that job



Thx
Chet

[Grumpy]

Forsan miseros meliora sequentur
You note very well the level of control .. Its also clear that that you agree they suppress any alternative energy machine. That they have billions to spend on anything is obvious now the system is exposed. So agreed they do not want free energy in the hands of the great unwashed just at the moment. They will quite soon when conditions are right.
So to monitor and control free energy progress obviously paid agents are going to watch and infiltrate all alternative energy forums. Most appearing as ' hale-fellow-well-met ' whilst undermining the work of honest members, of course introducing doubt and slightly twisting theories. Calling everything a scam , and towing the official line.
It takes a long  time to sort the excrement out, traps have to be set, after all an agent isn't much good if the guy's instantly detectable is he? So here's a quite important question .. what do you consider the infiltration and corruption level of this particular  forum ?  What % of paid agents are 'members' watching the few and leading them up the garden path? P.J Kelly was of the opinion that in the case of OU.com the Rot was possibly as high as 70%. This of course is also a form of intimidation.

It's impossible to know, but I doubt 70% of OU forum members are agents.  I base this on my assumption that there is no need for that many.  Does it really matter how many there are?  Like the "agents" in the Matrix, they can be anyone.

[giantkiller]

http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/

[BEP]

What % of paid agents are 'members' watching the few and leading them up the garden path? P.J Kelly was of the opinion that in the case of OU.com the Rot was possibly as high as 70%. This of course is also a form of intimidation.

I agree with the possible agent part. The percentage is probably that or higher. What I disagree with is which may be identified as agents. My opinion is the agents are the ones constantly repeating the same old stuff or just placing a twist on it so serious folks will be misdirected into wasting time, money and effort.

When enough information, not already explained by conventional science, is provided, the project may be intriguing enough to look into. There are a couple of ideas on this site which I consider having some possibilities. There are none on OU.com. That site turned into a garbage bin full of misinterpreted results and inaccurate or totally incorrect measurement methods by folks convinced by mysticism only identified so because they need the magic of the unknown.
If you tell them why something happens and explain it using conventional science the shock of the magic evaporating sets them off into all directions.

I'm looking for the magic only so I can demystify and apply it.

[Magluvin]

I agree with the possible agent part. The percentage is probably that or higher. What I disagree with is which may be identified as agents. My opinion is the agents are the ones constantly repeating the same old stuff or just placing a twist on it so serious folks will be misdirected into wasting time, money and effort.

70% or higher seems unrealistic, to me anyways. I dont think there is that much action for that much redundancy for each site .

But I would say they are out there.  Lets say that so far 'nobody' has ever had nor seen an actual OU device, ever. I could see that 'they' would still be here and there, for that just in case moment.    Paranoia. And they gots it bad. 

Of all the subjects here and there, does anyone here have any experience with threads disappearing, possibly because they are onto a possible touchy subject?  Not me not yet. So I wonder if any of it so far has anything to do with OU, if it exists.
It could be possible that as long as 'we' dont lay it all out on the line, and not put working vids up with diagrams and schematics, everything is oky doky.     

I loose a bit of interest in a subject of a newly presented idea almost right off the bat if spoon feeding is required, or an announcement of a later date to be shown. And what a way of getting possibly pinched before the complete idea is out there, supposedly as in intended.    I believe a working device that is intended to be truly open sourced, should have all info packed and ready to deliver to MANY others and NOW.  lol   But it seems like most all claims require people to wait and linger and wonder, when will it ever end!!!! It always ends. Its just not good. So far.

Mags