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Oh, I don't think the agents are paid or have any official backing. Their payment is just the pleasure of seeing how easy it is to misdirect and exercise some level of control over others.

Surely, there are a very few who check into claims appearing to have some validity but I doubt they would waste any time on nut-case web forums.
   
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Hi GiantKiller,

Thanks a lot for pointing this article out.
http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/

They give the Url: http://energiauniversal.eco.br/

Are you aware that Mr Nilson BARBOSA has 5-in-a-row "pending" patents?
WO2013104039A1
WO2013104040A1
WO2013104041A1
WO2013104042A1
WO2013104043A1

If he is a scamer (or self delusioned) he should, anyhow, be very wealthy. No?
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About paid 'agents' or not, you can google "I was a paid internet shill".
Yes, a 'shill' is not a 'Three Letter Agencies' member.
Of course, this famous article can (and sometimes is) christened "fake".

Caveat Lector.

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On 25 July 1928: "Since Alfred Hubbard worked with Tesla for a short period, it seems likely that his transformer is based on [information from] Tesla." [Especially since Hubbard failed to build his generator to match the load he put on it in his public boating demo and Tesla is still the only one known "for having revealed the physical laws underlying it."]

An eighteen foot boat, propelled by a thirty-five-horse power electric motor, which obtained its current from the Hubbard coil, was driven about Portage Bay on Lake Union. Among those who witnessed the demonstration was a well-known local capitalist, the inventor's father,William H. Hubbard, and a Post Intelligencer reporter.

Shortly after Hubbard's exoneration, the Detroit Free Press ran a story on 25 July 1928 with a banner headline "Engine Works, Needs No Gas Nor Any Other Fuel - Whirling of Globe May Be Utilized for Driving Planes, Automobiles and Other Machinery at High Speeds."

The new "fuelless motor" had been designed by one Lester Jennings Hendershot of West Elizabeth, Pennsylvania, and successfully tested at Selfridge Army Airfield outside Detroit in a demonstration witnessed by the world-famous aviator Charles Lindbergh, who testified that the motor worked.

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In July 1973 a former resident of Seattle then living in Houston, Texas, wrote to the Post Intelligencer to inquire whether it had published any additional data on Hubbard since the appearance of the articles in the 1920s. In answer to this query, Don Carter, a staff reporter, wrote a follow-up story, dated 16 July 1973 and headlined

"Saga of a Boy Inventor and His Mystery Motor."

Carter hints that the Hubbard invention was remanded to oblivion by officialdom.

Alfred Hubbard Persecution "As the Texas reader remembers it," he wrote, "the marvelous invention was quickly squelched by the federal government, which wisely acted to prevent the manufacture and sale of this static electric generator to avert a national financial panic."

Carter also dug up the fact that, after making a trip to Washington, D.C., to press for a patent on his device, Hubbard was indicted for using his talents to produce and operate radio transmitters over which rumrunners out of Canadian territory were advised, during Prohibition, when and where it was safe to land their boats and offload contraband liquor. He was cleared of this charge by a federal jury in 1928.

While the device has been patented, the claims for it are so broad that Hubbard says he does not feel safe in making public his secret. In general, he says, it is made up of a group of eight electro-magnets, each with primary and secondary windings of copper wire, which are arranged around a large steel core. The core likewise has a single winding. A coil thus constructed, he says, is lifeless until given an initial impulse. This is done by connecting the ends of its windings for a fraction of a second to an ordinary [two words unreadable R.L.R.] -ing circuit, he says.

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Right on time... May 12, 1932

The kidnapping of Charles Augustus Lindbergh, Jr., the son of famous aviator Charles Lindbergh and Anne Morrow Lindbergh, was one of the most highly publicized crimes of the 20th century. The 20-month-old toddler was abducted from his family home in East Amwell, New Jersey on the evening of March 1, 1932.[1] Over two months later, on May 12, 1932, his body was discovered a short distance from the Lindberghs' home in neighboring Hopewell Township.[2] A medical examination determined that the cause of death was a massive skull fracture.

After an investigation that lasted more than two years, Bruno Richard Hauptmann was arrested and charged with the crime. In a trial that was held from January 2 to February 13, 1935, Hauptmann was found guilty of murder in the first degree and sentenced to death. He was executed by electric chair at the New Jersey State Prison on April 3, 1936, at 8:44 in the evening. Hauptmann proclaimed his innocence to the end. ****************************** ****************************** **************** ****************************** *****************************
Coincidence? Lindbergh had lots of capital and would not be stopped. Unless something really life wrenching.
 
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I may be wrong, but I have gotten the impression that they don't really bother you unless you become a problem.  Seems to be some protocol that they don't just harass everyone that makes a claim, or even says the right words.  show proof though and they have all they need to make a move on you.

That being said, 9/10ths of suppression claims are probably drama-queen bullshit, and other ploys by the accuser.

If you want to change the way things are, start by getting into the "game".  This requires planning, knowledge, discretion, and luck. 

David took out Goliath with a lucky shot.  Don't expect the same luck to come to you.

Start thinking like they do.

   
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Hi Jean .. Thanks for this info .. I took the liberty of pasting the bones of it over at energetics , UFOpolotics in turn has been digging around the patents I'm afraid my eye's glaze over every time I look at a patent these days anyway here's the patents  for those that enjoy enigma's

Patent WO2013104039A1 - Equipment for condensing electric current and equipment for transmitting ... - Google Patents
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104039A1

Patent WO2013104040A1 - Electric energy generation system - Google Patents      
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104040A1

Patent WO2013104041A1 - Electromagnetic device for capturing free space electrons to generate ... - Google Patents
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104041A1

Patent WO2013104042A1 - Electromagnetic device for capturing electrons from the ground to generate ... - Google Patents
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1

Patent WO2013104043A1 - Electric energy generation system with feedback - Google Patents
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104043A1

seems they are also avaliable in French and Portuguese... so whatever your flavour..

UFO is quite au'fait with patent law and how its all stiched together .. he doesn't seem to think these patents will be up very long .. for some reason  O0
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How many more to be .threatened, abused murdered, Their research in the hands of evil corporations intent on total control ?
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I wonder if Sterling realizes how much damage over-hyping can do?  http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29

See vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q
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Só postou uma página do recurso sobre isso em PESWiki Just posted a feature page about this at PESWiki

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Hello, I just talked to the inventor on phone and he said please take the announcement that he is ready for sales off your peswiki for now, He already went to jail in october, now released. But He is not ready for sales outside his city, He says its very dangerous to mess with the amount of energy of earths electromagnetic field and wishes to test a bit more. Please do remove announcement for sales

Peswiki says it will not remove the announcement, but will include a caveat that sales outside the city are not going forward.

See also:
http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/

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The device requires a small amount of initial input power to start some kind of sensor rolling, which then produces over-unity power.  The device looks small, which means it could be used for vehicular power, as well as residential power.  They advertise it can be used in either roll, as well as an industrial power source.  The site claims the input power needed to run it is around 2% of its output power.

They have several sizes of the generator.  The smallest prototype they built is capable of generating 12.1 kw of power, with a load of 6000 watts, using only 21 watts input energy.  The prototype unit weighs 1.5 kg measuring 20x30x15 cm.  The average home needs around 15 kw of power.

The product looks legit.  If this is for real, it will replace Dark Wallet as the second most important creation in the history of man, behind Bitcoin of course.  The petro-dollar will surely topple in the face of this invention.

Asking for attention by tptb?  what a brash comment: "The petro-dollar will surely topple in the face of this invention."
   
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  And this recent email from Mark Dansie:
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If you care about energy independence and renewable energy you must read this. It’s a sad state of affairs in the USA

http://revolution-green.com/usa-move-penalize-freerenewable-energy-freeriders/

Please spread the word, thanks Moray King forf alerting us
   
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I may be wrong, but I have gotten the impression that they don't really bother you unless you become a problem.  Seems to be some protocol that they don't just harass everyone that makes a claim, or even says the right words.  show proof though and they have all they need to make a move on you.

It may have to do with how greed/corporations have prostituted science. In the past a real scientist would make a real discovery and publish or fully disclose the discovery in it entirety for all to judge for the betterment of mankind. however this is not what happens today is it?, they lock the discovery down with multiple patents and never disclose the real discovery. Then they seek psychotic investors who's only goal is to dominate the industry as this is the goal of all corporations... to generate maximum profits.

Should we let some self-indulgent egomaniac and his psychotic investors create more and more Mega-corporations which would put a strangle hold on whole sectors of technology?. To be honest I think most get exactly what they deserve because not one single person to date in this field of technology has had the integrity to fully disclose there discovery for the betterment of mankind.

We are our own worst enemy, we know this intuitively and we are simply waiting for one good man or woman to do the right thing. If I had to guess i would say a younger person will rediscover what is already known and take in viral. They will do it not for money, power or fame but simply because they can and it is the right thing to do ... integrity.

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If you care about energy independence and renewable energy you must read this. It’s a sad state of affairs in the USA
http://revolution-green.com/usa-move-penalize-freerenewable-energy-freeriders/

Unfortunately most people have zero understanding of the AC grid system however having worked in a 160 MW power plant I may have learned a thing or two.
First here in Alberta, Canada the electrical utility has been deregulated, this means the Power Generators and the Power Distributors (line services) must be separate. Now I buy my electrical energy through a Co-op or REA by contract and these are the people who own, operate and maintain the regional power lines/grid. They in turn buy power from Power Generators on my behalf and distribute that power to me. The REA also charges me line or distribution fee's because they are the ones who perform maintenance on the regional power grid.

Now in the article they are basically saying --  “They should be paying to distribute the surplus electricity.”. Well no these people are delusional because the consumer is already paying for line services through their distribution fee's. It makes absolutely no difference whether we consume or produce power because the power lines have always been a two way street. Then they say we are freeriders on the system, are these people insane?, no we are not freeriders because we have always been paying distribution fee's in one form or another and it is we who have paid for all the maintenance performed on the distribution lines.

So the issue is very simple, if anyone is billed a distribution fee and everyone is in one form or another then they are entitled to consume or produce power. To imply it would cost more just because the Energy in a distribution line is moving in the opposite direction shows a complete lack of understanding in my opinion.

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A little "trip" down the Hubbard rabbit hole:

http://kikoshouse.blogspot.com/2009/10/alfred-captain-al-hubbard-appreciation.html

Everyone thinking they are free-energy researchers should read the info on the link offered by ION.

This man was an important figure but not for his mysterious set of coils.
   
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Everyone thinking they are free-energy researchers should read the info on the link offered by ION.
This man was an important figure but not for his mysterious set of coils.

I would agree with Ion in that Hubbard's supposed work is a Rabbit Hole, you will spend countless hours speculating and then end up right back where you started...maybe wearing a dress :D. I would suggest any serious free-energy researcher run in the opposite direction towards the work of T.H.Moray or Victor Schauberger. These men were giants because they laid out the foundation of their work and had a working premise. The premise is simple -- where is the Energy and how do we get it?, without this it amounts to little more than groping about in the dark in my opinion.

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Hi Everybody,

I do agree with Prof. Jones. No need to to irritate the PTBs. (PTWs(?))

BTW(?), if you like English humour, you can 'You_Tube':
Monty Python's how to irritate people
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I had the Nilson_Barbosa's patent "WO2013104042A1" translated in English by Google.
The translation sounds correct. I 'rewrote' (page setting) it. It is here:
http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/WO2013104042A1-C3.html

More easy to read. Not still corrected. The Emphasis are mine.
I have not yet studied it.
Of course, it is just a bl' pending patent. Claiming 'OU' between the lines.
So, I do not expect that it is possible to reproduce this device from this patent even if it is genuine...
It should exist some undisclosed recipe(s)/secret(s).

I'm just wondering why these persons spend money to  register patents?

IMO, it is another version of the Kapanadze device.
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According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_engine
"In 1781 James Watt patented a steam engine that produced continuous rotative motion."

According to  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_L%C3%A9onard_Sadi_Carnot
"When Carnot began working on his book, steam engines had achieved widely recognized economic
and industrial importance, but there had been no real scientific study of them".
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Carnot did not invent the machine but wrote a book:
"Reflections on the Motive Power of Fire"

So, in this case (and not only in this case) the theory came after the invention.
No?

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Hi Prof. Jones,

'TK'?  Do you also mean "Nikola Tesla" backward spelled (ALSETALOKIN)?

Putting things/words "backward/inversed" is, IMO, a black magic trick...

I'm still wondering whether this ALSETALOKIN's "whipmag" was a fake or not?
Anybody have some clue?

If this is the same 'TK', I was not aware that he invented something clearly claimed 'OU'...
Of course, I respect his creativity and his knowledge...

I have noticed that grounding some JT-Like circuit can, indeed, slightly improve its efficiency (10-15% ?).

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ALSETALOKIN  Elsa Talokin      Alison Kate is my favorite; ;)
   

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Hi Prof. Jones,

'TK'?  Do you also mean "Nikola Tesla" backward spelled (ALSETALOKIN)?

Putting things/words "backward/inversed" is, IMO, a black magic trick...

I'm still wondering whether this ALSETALOKIN's "whipmag" was a fake or not?
Anybody have some clue?

If this is the same 'TK', I was not aware that he invented something clearly claimed 'OU'...
Of course, I respect his creativity and his knowledge...

I have noticed that grounding some JT-Like circuit can, indeed, slightly improve its efficiency (10-15% ?).

Gwella Soñjou,
Jean

I used to be involved with the whipmag at fizzx.org.  Was .com then changed.

Nobody really knows for sure. Nobody ever got one working in replication as far as I know.

Tk was working at a lab at the time. He said he had shown his boss the whipmag working and said he was impressed. Some time after that, he was showing slow motion vids done with a special camera showing the relationships between rotor mags and rotating stators while running. He also said that of the many magnets he had for the build, only a few worked, and others of the same batch didnt. Then there was stator bearing issues also. Of all the bearings I used, not all worked the same. Whether it was the grease inside that was different, or even with all grease removed, not all dry bearings are the same, even of the same batch. Tk used a high quality bike chain oil in his. I removed all grease and worked them with graphite. here is a vid of graphite worked bearings.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSTfFIetYPY

It was probably the most replicated device ever when it comes to magnet motors.

The Idea man behind it was OC.  I heard that he died some time back.  He had the idea, and TK built upon it but a bit different than the original thoughts, then made the vid.  It was taken down pretty quickly after posting.

Ive never seen TK pull any stunts. he is usually very straight forward with such things.  So there is a possibility that it worked and was shut down.  He disappeared for a while, then had shown a vid of a disassembling of the motor and dumping it all in the garbage. :o

From there, he only claimed it to be non ou, but never reveals it as a fake. Never. ;)  There were times where he would say in recent years, "I know of one OU device." But never says what device. ;)

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The Idea man behind it was OC.  I heard that he died some time back.  He had the idea, and TK built upon it but a bit different than the original thoughts, then made the vid.  It was taken down pretty quickly after posting.

Ive never seen TK pull any stunts. he is usually very straight forward with such things.  So there is a possibility that it worked and was shut down.  He disappeared for a while, then had shown a vid of a disassembling of the motor and dumping it all in the garbage.

There is a very good reason why most all interesting video's are removed shortly after posting on youtube. First you get an email or call saying certain parties are interested in what your doing. Then contact is made and the interested parties start talking money and NDA's. They tell you the technology is worthless unless it can be patented and controlled within a corporation to generate maximum profits. Which gets the inventor thinking... hmm maybe I shouldn't give it away and the video is removed by the inventor.

Talk to any one of them and ask them why they removed their video's. I think you will find 99% of them received an offer they could hardly refuse. You see it's easy to talk about integrity when it is never challenged however I have only met a few honest souls who have had the integrity to just say no, I won't be bought.


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"TK" is this fellow here [and elsewhere]

http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/

Tariel Kapanadze

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I used to be involved with the whipmag at fizzx.org.  .....

It was probably the most replicated device ever when it comes to magnet motors.

The Idea man behind it was OC.  I heard that he died some time back.  He had the idea, and TK built upon it but a bit different than the original thoughts, then made the vid.  It was taken down pretty quickly after posting.

Ive never seen TK pull any stunts. he is usually very straight forward with such things.  So there is a possibility that it worked and was shut down.  He disappeared for a while, then had shown a vid of a disassembling of the motor and dumping it all in the garbage. :o

From there, he only claimed it to be non ou, but never reveals it as a fake. Never. ;)  There were times where he would say in recent years, "I know of one OU device." But never says what device. ;)

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Mags, are there any vids or drawings or ANYTHING of how to build the whipmag?  sounds interesting.


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There is a very good reason why most all interesting video's are removed shortly after posting on youtube. First you get an email or call saying certain parties are interested in what your doing. Then contact is made and the interested parties start talking money and NDA's. They tell you the technology is worthless unless it can be patented and controlled within a corporation to generate maximum profits. Which gets the inventor thinking... hmm maybe I shouldn't give it away and the video is removed by the inventor.

Talk to any one of them and ask them why they removed their video's. I think you will find 99% of them received an offer they could hardly refuse. You see it's easy to talk about integrity when it is never challenged however I have only met a few honest souls who have had the integrity to just say no, I won't be bought.


AC

That 'could' be the case. But nothing is confirmed in any way. Tinsel/Tk at times says he doesnt have the money to do some projects, so not sure what the case may be. The original vid went very quick, like less than a day I believe. But copies were made in that time. Then there were the slowmo vids, copies again.  Im not sure whats left out there, havnt looked much lately.

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Mags, are there any vids or drawings or ANYTHING of how to build the whipmag?  sounds interesting.


Good observations AC (IMO)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV7CO8No-CE

You can go here...    http://fizzx.org/viewforum.php?f=16&sid=a0eedcf9876d6a1a10bf8830c2177e2d


That vid is soo convincing, its what got me really to get into this stuff hardcore.   But we could not get 1 to work.


I can answer a lot of questions. Some I have to refer to old notes and such.  I was in it deep.

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I had only done a few vids on the subject back then.

If you watch the TK vid, the stator(diametric magnet on a bearing) that he is flicking, is being flicked in reverse of gear wise. it is what they called anti gear wise  AGW.  Its a strange thing to encounter.  But here is a vid I did on that subject.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mrnfwmk0ZA

The stators needed to be fairly close to the rotor to get AGW.  But here I had shown the ability to make a longer distance connection between rotor and stator, by using a stationary diametric mag between the 2.  ;)

Lots of fun the whip was..   I just may get back into that one day.


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This became my final build of the whipmag in the vid below.

Nobody was getting one working, even following spec.  So I decided an adjustable version might help.  ;) But no go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea7E8Au0AkE

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Thanks, Mags.  Note my videos posted last June re: magnetically coupled rotors. Having fun, trying to learn, toy scale.

 Here I test effects of mu-metal shielding.  Pretty interesting.  
(Have you ever introduced shielding?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWEbe5p1wso

 (also:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeACDx6Ne1w
and   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iusp30ERhvo  )
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