10KW - Quantum Energy Generator - open source

[Centraflow]

Hi Luc

very nice video as usual

Yep, I feel there is something very real to this. What was interesting in your video was the wave at 50-60hz, very little, probably because of the laminar design for 50-60hz frequency as a transformer, see my post above on making those lamina's.

I would think that the true resonance was at a lot higher frequency, the QEG is said to be 400hz so I believe. Yes be carefull with your setup that nothing flys off

best regards

Mike

[Groundloop]

Hi everyone,

I've been testing the effects of the QEG.
It coincides (like woopy) I have also thought of using a MOT for its high Inductance coil to see if I can produce some of the effects claimed.
I can confirm that there is a real effects. This looks to have real potential.

I made a video demo of my setup so you can see that I'm not just talking. However, I did not feel comfortable to demonstrate the Resonance as my particular test setup may not be able to handle such vibrations. When it first happened it scared me and I quickly pulled the plug as my 100 pound safety box was vibrating like a jackhammer.

Of course I'll be doing more tests but I thought to share my test rig and basic findings.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE

Stay tuned for more

Luc

Luc,

Excellent work Luc. :-)

GL.

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.

Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.

I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY

Luc

[PhysicsProf]

Hi everyone,

I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.

Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.

I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY

Luc

WOW!  well done, Luc.  Just amazing that changing the inductance like that generates such a high voltage.
I captured one episode where the resonance was reached and both bulbs began to glow (before the "braking effect" kicked in), see screen shot below.

Note that each division represents 500 V, and the signal exceeds 2000V !

[Centraflow]

Hi everyone,

I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.

Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.

I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY

Luc

Luc as usual 10 out of 10

Do you remember some years back that you tried an item of mine? the parametric transformer! this is very similar, the problem back then was the frequency was not set to it's resonance, though I did get power out of it for no input at my end and was all down to changing inductance. Remember it was switching inductance and had a cap to create the LC, well this now has given me a further idea on being able to make this non mechanical. Changing inductance is not the only way, changing capacitance will also do this, though some might say it is electrostatic in this case, of course it is, that is how a capacitor holds it's charge isn't it? but where did the charge come from in the first place?

Going back to your video above, I think that the cores become very magnetised to the point of saturation and that is when it goes into this huge vibration caused by the N N and S S then N S and S N as the rotor (steel laminates) pass (pulling and pushing at speed). The frequency again is interesting, around 60hz, again I think it is to do with the laminar design but I could be wrong, have youcalculated the resonant frequency of the LC part with the rotor in connection and without? that might help a little

I have been reading on other sites such as OU.com and the usual downers, if I can call them that, are at work as usual, they really quite get up my nose and are quite depressing and why I do not post much there even though I have been a member for many years. Keep at it Luc while I put pen to paper on the solid state idea

By the way how is the house boat coming along? quite a project O0l

Best regards

Mike

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

It was suggested to connect bulbs in series on the high voltage side to helped stabilize the Resonance.

Here is the video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0

Luc

[gotoluc]

By the way how is the house boat coming along? quite a project O0l

Best regards

Mike

Hi Mike,

the houseboat project was closed down for the winter since end of September. I should be able to re-start in June. We had quite a cold winter and lasted till a week ago. Spring is finally starting.

All the best in your experiments

Luc

[PhysicsProf]

Hi everyone,

It was suggested to connect bulbs in series on the high voltage side to helped stabilize the Resonance.

Here is the video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0

Luc

Clearly, the resonance is stabilized -- very good!  Glad the device is no longer "self-destructing!"
Can you explain,  what needs to be done to go from your variable-inductance device to testing/replicating a QEG device?

[Groundloop]

@All,

I have been thinking about the QEG lately on how to make a solid state version.
And attached is my initial thought on the matter. Use two toroid cores with
a mains winding(110 or 230 VAC depending on main voltage). One is for input
and the other is for output. It will also work in revers. Then one make a high
voltage mutual winding through both cores. This winding is connected to a
capacitor so that the L/C combo is tuned to the input mains frequency.

Any comments?

GL.

[Centraflow]

@All,

I have been thinking about the QEG lately on how to make a solid state version.
And attached is my initial thought on the matter. Use two toroid cores with
a mains winding(110 or 230 VAC depending on main voltage). One is for input
and the other is for output. It will also work in revers. Then one make a high
voltage mutual winding through both cores. This winding is connected to a
capacitor so that the L/C combo is tuned to the input mains frequency.

Any comments?

GL.

Just got in but this is only a knee jerk reaction, where is the change in induction? There are four main things to the QEG, one is change in induction to create a voltage to start with (the most important), two is to use this voltage to generate a magnetic field, three resonance to increase this voltage and so the magnetic field in the core, four a transformer action to create an amperage by the convertion of high voltage low amps to a lower voltage with higher amps.

Note there is an exciter coil and cap, I am not sure the circuit diagram is exactly right This is a parametric generator which has been built on using resonance and finally normal transformer action. It is clever in so much that it nearly all takes place in the one and only core, which i am sure is creating many other interreactions

May change my thought later, as I said this is a knee jerk reaction before lunch

regards

Mike

[ion]

It boggles my mind that builders must create such massive machines when a "one watt output, proof of principle" device would would be convincing that the theory? is valid.

Not everyone has the ability to build such a massive device, however a 1/100 working scale model could be mass produced and sold as a kit, available to interested parties.

If it is real, that would be my approach as a first step in promoting the device.

I would say don't waste your time building the large unit, try a scale model first.

If the argument is that it is not scaleable then some non-linear point must be shown to be a limiting factor for downward scaleability.

Most things are scaleable e.g IC engines, electric motors and generators.

Granted, there may be a small improvement in efficiency as the size changes, but nowhere near order of magnitude improvement.

GL: your idea is easily testable.

[Matt Watts]

It boggles my mind that builders must create such massive machines when a "one watt output, proof of principle" device would ...

I'll second that.

I would think a 3" ferrite toroid with a center mounted CPU fan motor turning the armature would be more than adequate to prove the concept.  And quite potentially, if running at higher RPMs and using ferrite, could still produce 10-20 watts of useable output.

[Centraflow]

It boggles my mind that builders must create such massive machines when a "one watt output, proof of principle" device would would be convincing that the theory? is valid.

Not everyone has the ability to build such a massive device, however a 1/100 working scale model could be mass produced and sold as a kit, available to interested parties.

If it is real, that would be my approach as a first step in promoting the device.

I would say don't waste your time building the large unit, try a scale model first.

If the argument is that it is not scaleable then some non-linear point must be shown to be a limiting factor for downward scaleability.

Most things are scaleable e.g IC engines, electric motors and generators.

Granted, there may be a small improvement in efficiency as the size changes, but nowhere near order of magnitude improvement.

GL: your idea is easily testable.

Quite agree ION, all I do these days is small lab scale, problem is most find this uninteresting, and when you show a 50mw power again at this scale you are open to all sorts of  error of measurement etc etc etc e.g. 5mw in and 50mw out or 1kw in and 10kw out, they are both X10 increase. The other thing for the self loop brigade, the 5 and 50mw will be a lot harder than the 1 and 10kw theoretically there should not be that problem, but in practice we no different

regards

Mike

[wattsup]

I'll second that.

I would think a 3" ferrite toroid with a center mounted CPU fan motor turning the armature would be more than adequate to prove the concept.  And quite potentially, if running at higher RPMs and using ferrite, could still produce 10-20 watts of useable output.

@Matt Watts

The CPU fan will die right away.

@gotoluc

Saw the other vids. Was not surprised by the result.

Question: What is the difference in the gap between the primary core and the rotor core that would give an effect or not give an effect. Or asked another way, what I to E core gap would be required to move from zero to full effect?

If the distance between this is not that great, maybe I can suggest using a solenoid to push the I core in and out instead of rotating the core. The solenoid action would place the complete I core in the maximum reaction range instantly instead of having it sweep across in a rotation. If you bring the I core close to the E core manually, can you see a spike on the scope? hehehe

The solenoid I have in mind is one that can be used right off a chemical dosage pump model Pulsatron Series C. I am attaching a pdf on the dosage pump, page 12, it is housed in #50 that is secured to the main body mounting base #51.

You should be able to find a used or even a broken one from any local water treatment company either for free or a few bucks. WT guys should have a good number of these is their junk you-never-know bin. I have a few at my water treatment company. In most cases the pulse circuit is blown (usually a very small component is shot, but the solenoid is still OK). May require a little oil in the shaft if it makes a high pitched noise. You can keep the pump mounting intact as it already has the solenoid well secured in a vertical position.

Are you still in Ottawa cause I can send you one if you are interested.

If there is an effect with short advancement, the idea of using a solenoid is a good option since there is also the potential to recycle the pulse energy used for the solenoid. You should be getting back some good flyback. Since the I core approach would then stop before it backs away, this would work like a pump where with the right diode and capacitor on the primary MOT would unload the primary coil as output at each pulse so the primary + e core would never act as an electromagnet as it always does when you get motor drag.

Anyways, you can always PM me if you are interested and let me know where to send it.

Always looking for ways to play.

@ION

Certain things require a minimal effort. Even if you did it small scale, you will still have to do all the R&D. Find the right motor, the right mounting, the right MOT analog, the right RPM, the right load, etc. Big or small, will not diminish the level of attention. At least in the bigger scale you already answered the question "Is it scalable".

wattsup

PS: @gotoluc, if you ever try this maybe consider winding a coil around the edge of the I core as well and check that output. Every watt counts.

[PhysicsProf]

  So, along the lines of GL's post, in what WAYS can one change the inductance L?

Adding the I to the E of a core (+winding) is what gotoluc has been doing.  Very interesting; large electric-drive motor though, and some problems with "braking" seen in his vids.

I'm thinking of a core NEAR saturation.   A pick-up coil as usual, but then also a small drive coil that simply drives the core from not-saturated to saturation, thus changing L.  
Operating an ordinary transformer PAST saturation (and back) repeatedly might show the effect...?  Giving higher efficiency than "usual"...

Or a permanent magnet on a wheel, operating near the core, while it is near  the saturation point.

Heating near the Curie point would change L, from high-inductance to low as one heats past the Curie point (probably slowly; interesting if one could speed this up, e.g., with a laser-pulse).

Other ideas?

[ion]

Quite agree ION, all I do these days is small lab scale, problem is most find this uninteresting, and when you show a 50mw power again at this scale you are open to all sorts of  error of measurement etc etc etc e.g. 5mw in and 50mw out or 1kw in and 10kw out, they are both X10 increase. The other thing for the self loop brigade, the 5 and 50mw will be a lot harder than the 1 and 10kw theoretically there should not be that problem, but in practice we no different

regards

Mike

One of my skills and training was in accurate low level measurements for the instrumentation industry. Things get tricky at the microvolt level.

At a few volts and amps, things are much easier. I'm thinking maybe something that would fit in a small brief case and not require a shop crane or hernia belt to deal with. Also the cost would be much less.

Wattsup: I thought most of the Research on this device was done and what was presented was more or less finished, but ripe for refinement, the D part of R&D.

[e2matrix]

@Matt Watts

The CPU fan will die right away.

@gotoluc

Saw the other vids. Was not surprised by the result.

Question: What is the difference in the gap between the primary core and the rotor core that would give an effect or not give an effect. Or asked another way, what I to E core gap would be required to move from zero to full effect?

If the distance between this is not that great, maybe I can suggest using a solenoid to push the I core in and out instead of rotating the core. The solenoid action would place the complete I core in the maximum reaction range instantly instead of having it sweep across in a rotation. If you bring the I core close to the E core manually, can you see a spike on the scope? hehehe

The solenoid I have in mind is one that can be used right off a chemical dosage pump model Pulsatron Series C. I am attaching a pdf on the dosage pump, page 12, it is housed in #50 that is secured to the main body mounting base #51.

You should be able to find a used or even a broken one from any local water treatment company either for free or a few bucks. WT guys should have a good number of these is their junk you-never-know bin. I have a few at my water treatment company. In most cases the pulse circuit is blown (usually a very small component is shot, but the solenoid is still OK). May require a little oil in the shaft if it makes a high pitched noise. You can keep the pump mounting intact as it already has the solenoid well secured in a vertical position.

Are you still in Ottawa cause I can send you one if you are interested.

If there is an effect with short advancement, the idea of using a solenoid is a good option since there is also the potential to recycle the pulse energy used for the solenoid. You should be getting back some good flyback. Since the I core approach would then stop before it backs away, this would work like a pump where with the right diode and capacitor on the primary MOT would unload the primary coil as output at each pulse so the primary + e core would never act as an electromagnet as it always does when you get motor drag.

Anyways, you can always PM me if you are interested and let me know where to send it.

Always looking for ways to play.

@ION

Certain things require a minimal effort. Even if you did it small scale, you will still have to do all the R&D. Find the right motor, the right mounting, the right MOT analog, the right RPM, the right load, etc. Big or small, will not diminish the level of attention. At least in the bigger scale you already answered the question "Is it scalable".

wattsup

PS: @gotoluc, if you ever try this maybe consider winding a coil around the edge of the I core as well and check that output. Every watt counts.

One of the difficulties in building this - especially in a model or small form is going to be that gap needed.   I heard Robitaille say it needed to be 1/10000 (one tenthousandth) of an inch so it's a very close tolerance.   And now he is saying it works better above 500 or 600 volts - probably 1KV to 2KV being optimal.   So I would suspect among other things that with that small gap there is some plasma happening in that gap ( I think they mentioned that too).    Not sure if this is really relevant to your question about using a solenoid but it sounds to me like that would change a lot of factors and also you would need a very fast solenoid that could constantly reverse directions at a high rate.   Sounds like a component that wouldn't last long if moving a large core.   Lots of losses in reversing directions with that much mass.   Just my off the top thoughts ....

[e2matrix]

@All,

I have been thinking about the QEG lately on how to make a solid state version.
And attached is my initial thought on the matter. Use two toroid cores with
a mains winding(110 or 230 VAC depending on main voltage). One is for input
and the other is for output. It will also work in revers. Then one make a high
voltage mutual winding through both cores. This winding is connected to a
capacitor so that the L/C combo is tuned to the input mains frequency.

Any comments?

GL.

Just a quick note Groundloop.   When I first opened the OUR web site here I saw you had a topic started on the SS QEG and I could read it but once I logged in I could not see it and when I put the link in the browser again for that thread it said it was not available or I was not allowed or something like that.   It's OK if I'm not allowed but I suspect that might not be the case - rather an issue with where or how it was posted ?    Or was it posted and intended only for info and to not allow replies?

[gotoluc]

@Matt Watts

The CPU fan will die right away.

@gotoluc

Saw the other vids. Was not surprised by the result.

Question: What is the difference in the gap between the primary core and the rotor core that would give an effect or not give an effect. Or asked another way, what I to E core gap would be required to move from zero to full effect?

If the distance between this is not that great, maybe I can suggest using a solenoid to push the I core in and out instead of rotating the core. The solenoid action would place the complete I core in the maximum reaction range instantly instead of having it sweep across in a rotation. If you bring the I core close to the E core manually, can you see a spike on the scope? hehehe

The solenoid I have in mind is one that can be used right off a chemical dosage pump model Pulsatron Series C. I am attaching a pdf on the dosage pump, page 12, it is housed in #50 that is secured to the main body mounting base #51.

You should be able to find a used or even a broken one from any local water treatment company either for free or a few bucks. WT guys should have a good number of these is their junk you-never-know bin. I have a few at my water treatment company. In most cases the pulse circuit is blown (usually a very small component is shot, but the solenoid is still OK). May require a little oil in the shaft if it makes a high pitched noise. You can keep the pump mounting intact as it already has the solenoid well secured in a vertical position.

Are you still in Ottawa cause I can send you one if you are interested.

If there is an effect with short advancement, the idea of using a solenoid is a good option since there is also the potential to recycle the pulse energy used for the solenoid. You should be getting back some good flyback. Since the I core approach would then stop before it backs away, this would work like a pump where with the right diode and capacitor on the primary MOT would unload the primary coil as output at each pulse so the primary + e core would never act as an electromagnet as it always does when you get motor drag.

Anyways, you can always PM me if you are interested and let me know where to send it.

Always looking for ways to play.

@ION

Certain things require a minimal effort. Even if you did it small scale, you will still have to do all the R&D. Find the right motor, the right mounting, the right MOT analog, the right RPM, the right load, etc. Big or small, will not diminish the level of attention. At least in the bigger scale you already answered the question "Is it scalable".

wattsup

PS: @gotoluc, if you ever try this maybe consider winding a coil around the edge of the I core as well and check that output. Every watt counts.

Hi wattsup,

thanks for your post, interesting idea and offer the send a solenoid.

Can you tell me how much back and forth movement (distance) this solenoid has and the maximum frequency it can go up to and still maintain the back and forth movement.

I'm still in Ottawa

Thanks for your help

Luc

[Groundloop]

Just a quick note Groundloop.   When I first opened the OUR web site here I saw you had a topic started on the SS QEG and I could read it but once I logged in I could not see it and when I put the link in the browser again for that thread it said it was not available or I was not allowed or something like that.   It's OK if I'm not allowed but I suspect that might not be the case - rather an issue with where or how it was posted ?    Or was it posted and intended only for info and to not allow replies?

e2matrix,

It will be fixed. Just a "group" something setting that is wrong.

GL.

[NerzhDishual]

Hi Resonance Guys,

May I support the PhysicsProf and the Woopy's very experiments with this simple observation I made a couple of years ago.

It was not my idea and was inspired by a now deceased (and regretted) 'OU' guy friend of mine.
At this time, I considered this as a mere amazing effect without any practical interest.




Bien le bonjour,
Jean

[PhysicsProf]

  Nerzh - so yes we see a similar/same effect!

Question - with your rod hanging freely so the "ringing" will not damp out so fast (as mine), how long does the sine-wave signal last?  (ms, seconds or more?)

[NerzhDishual]

Hi PhysicsProf,

How long does the sine-wave signal last?  With a single 'knock' I guess?
I dunno. I will test it again.

I had also tried to vibrate the rod with a small toy buzzer  fed with a small battery.
It worked pretty well. But, as the buzzer comports one coil, I considered this as not relevant.

What is amazing, IMHO, is that it did not work with iron (a bolt).
More precise results ASAP.

[PhysicsProf]

Yesterday, Peter Lindemann at EF made a cogent comment -- see attached.

[PhysicsProf]

A reply by "Muon" today (to Peter's claims) is notable IMO; I tend to agree: