Unbalanced Lever

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Verpies	Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #25 on: 2026-01-31, 12:14:03 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 4535	Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2026-01-31, 11:11:59 It takes half an hour for me to send a message like that , with my fack internet. I empathize with your problem. You deserve one of these free Starlinks from Ukraine with spoofed GNSS coordinates. Anyway, if you run into problems with attachments again, just compress them into a ZIP archive. ZIP files are accepted.

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #26 on: 2026-01-31, 22:31:50 »

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Unbalanced Lever is able to run perpetually if...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9YLkoJz7rM

I saw nothing out of the ordinary in the video.

-the person gave the device a quick spin adding energy.
-the moving weight gains energy on the left side because it is further out.
-the moving weight losses energy on the right side because it is being pulled inward and upward.
-friction made the device come to rest and energy was conserved.

It's funny because the moving weight does absolutely nothing. It gains energy on the left side and losses the same energy on the right side or sum zero. The only reason it spins so long is due to the inertia of the big weights on the ends. This is basically grade school science.

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chief kolbacict	Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #27 on: 2026-02-03, 08:07:43 »
Sr. Member Posts: 407	Quote from: Verpies on 2026-01-31, 12:14:03 I empathize with your problem. You deserve one of these free Starlinks Thank you.

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #28 on: 2026-02-03, 10:16:31 »

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Quote from: Allcanadian on 2026-01-31, 22:31:50

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It's funny because the moving weight does absolutely nothing. It gains energy on the left side and losses the same energy on the right side or sum zero. The only reason it spins so long is due to the inertia of the big weights on the ends. This is basically grade school science.

I agree. What's more, like all the videos of “Perpetual motion devices,” it's rigged. You can see this in the complete immobility of the hands at certain moments.
Everything is done to ensure that no weakening of the movement is visible.
No one familiar with scientific reasoning can believe that the “Perpetual motion device” videos are real. The person who makes them, in a clean and elegant way, has scientific and technical knowledge and lots of ideas and tricks when it comes to choosing configurations. I think he is having fun and also entertaining all those who can see that this is indeed entertainment, not scientific experimentation. He must also be amused to see that some people believe it.

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #29 on: 2026-02-03, 10:39:49 »

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Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2026-01-31, 11:11:59

Full archive with pictures was in my first post.
It takes half an hour for me to send a message like that , with my fack internet.
Why are you tormenting me?
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I'm not tormenting you

, and I'm also well aware that producing interesting posts takes time. What I can say is that when I clicked on your HTML link, I expected to see something complete and easy to read, and that wasn't the case. And I also wasted time trying to figure out what was wrong.

I'm just saying that if you have an HTML page displayed on your browser, which may not have been the case for you if you were retrieving these files from elsewhere, the easiest thing to do is to save it in MHTML format so that everything is in a single file, not only the HTML and images but also the CSS style. Because if you can see the file when you click on your HTML link, it's probably because the missing images and files are only in your browser's cache.
Since not all browsers are compatible with MHTML, another solution is to make a PDF of the page.

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #30 on: 2026-02-03, 12:43:21 »

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Quote from: F6FLT on 2026-02-03, 10:16:31

I agree. What's more, like all the videos of “Perpetual motion devices,” it's rigged. You can see this in the complete immobility of the hands at certain moments.
Everything is done to ensure that no weakening of the movement is visible.
No one familiar with scientific reasoning can believe that the “Perpetual motion device” videos are real. The person who makes them, in a clean and elegant way, has scientific and technical knowledge and lots of ideas and tricks when it comes to choosing configurations. I think he is having fun and also entertaining all those who can see that this is indeed entertainment, not scientific experimentation. He must also be amused to see that some people believe it.

My comment only applies to this specific device and scientific reasoning is debatable.

It's one thing to have some knowledge but quite another to suppose were smarter than everyone else on the planet. Who knows what the other eight billion people are doing or working on at this moment. It's wild to think at this moment, Feb 3 at 5:42 am, there could be a building full of people on the other side of the planet working on something I cannot even imagine. That's pretty cool.

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #31 on: 2026-02-03, 18:00:00 »

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Quote from: Allcanadian on 2026-02-03, 12:43:21

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It's one thing to have some knowledge but quite another to suppose were smarter than everyone else on the planet.
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The smarter, as you say, is where things work well. So, with very few exceptions, it's very easy to know where it is, most certainly among those YouTubers who have the ideas, artistry and technical skills to simulate unexpected and well-constructed perpetual motion, such as veproject1, whom we just saw, and his channel ‘Visual Education Project’. His goal is truly educational, inviting the less smart or the simply curious to ask themselves, ‘Why doesn't this work in reality?’

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #32 on: 2026-02-03, 18:45:13 »

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Quote from: F6FLT on 2026-02-03, 18:00:00

The smarter, as you say, is where things work well. So, with very few exceptions, it's very easy to know where it is, most certainly among those YouTubers who have the ideas, artistry and technical skills to simulate unexpected and well-constructed perpetual motion, such as veproject1, whom we just saw, and his channel ‘Visual Education Project’. His goal is truly educational, inviting the less smart or the simply curious to ask themselves, ‘Why doesn't this work in reality?’

I don't pay much attention to anything on youtube and prefer to read science articles and patents. I like patents because it explains the thinking or reasoning behind any given idea. Of course many patents are nonsensical but I like looking at other perspectives.

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chief kolbacict	Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #33 on: 2026-02-04, 10:14:10 »
Sr. Member Posts: 407	Quote from: F6FLT on 2026-02-03, 10:39:49 What I can say is that when I clicked on your HTML link, I expected to see something complete and easy to read, and that wasn't the case. You still haven't seen a single picture? Why is everyone afraid to look at my first archive? This is a page saved by Mozilla Firefox. It saves it as two files.

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #34 on: 2026-02-04, 12:43:02 »

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Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2026-02-04, 10:14:10

You still haven't seen a single picture? Why is everyone afraid to look at my first archive?

Your archive attached in Reply #20 is not corrupted. Its content (bar Flash anims) is openable with common unpackers and browsers.
Members who cannot open this attachment must be using an enshittified operating system or are lacking basic utilities or basic computer skills.

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #35 on: 2026-02-08, 10:41:23 »

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It is not corrupted, but it is a website archive containing HTML, images, CSS, and JS.
First problem: where is the entry point? There is no index.html file. It is probably the Y0UwMCBaKpw.htm file.
In this file, I find the tag ‘<embed flashvars=...’ but nowadays, no one has Flash Player in their browser anymore. So nothing works; the code is outdated.
And even if it weren't, as long as the links in the pages are absolute and not relative, nothing would work.

You can open each file individually, for example the images, or view the JS code in text, but the whole thing does not give you the web page(s) that you would have seen on the site when and where it was taken.

The archive of files from a web page is generally unusable afterwards. If you want to keep the archive secure, you need to save it as a PDF from the outset (even the mhtml alternative is riskier, as this format is much less widely recognised than PDF).

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #36 on: 2026-02-08, 12:02:03 »

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Quote from: F6FLT on 2026-02-08, 10:41:23

First problem: where is the entry point? There is no index.html file. It is probably the Y0UwMCBaKpw.htm file.

It is /ermola motor.htm

Quote from: F6FLT on 2026-02-08, 10:41:23

In this file, I find the tag ‘<embed flashvars=...’ but nowadays, no one has Flash Player in their browser anymore. So nothing works; the code is outdated.

Only Flash content is the problem and that's why I excluded it when I wrote "(bar Flash anims)"
Other content is accessible (works).

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #37 on: 2026-02-08, 13:24:09 »

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With the entry point ermola motor.html + the .rar archive, the images are correctly referenced (relative links). When clicked, the images are associated with links on http://3.bp.blogspot.com/ that have remained absolute but are still accessible. The blog is supposed to have been deleted, but the images are still there, for example:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gkbujuDXu84/VqQAUKqxaoI/AAAAAAAAAdc/vKbx0DF5k1Y/s1600/20160120_151748.jpg

In PDF format:

ermola-motor.pdf (1627.78 kB - downloaded 33 times.)

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chief kolbacict	Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #38 on: 2026-02-09, 14:31:47 »
Sr. Member Posts: 407	But,there's just one thing I don't understand: if this Ermola patented this device more than ten years ago, Ukraine shouldn't have any problems with electricity now. But this is not so. So it's fake. But in any case, he came up with an original design of reductor with a high gear ratio.

Verpies	Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #39 on: 2026-02-09, 17:41:08 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 4535	Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2026-02-09, 14:31:47 But,there's just one thing I don't understand I do not understand this motor. I can see that it is purely mechanical and it contains epicyclic gears.

Grumage	Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #40 on: 2026-02-09, 18:37:06 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 3117	Quote from: Verpies on 2026-02-09, 17:41:08 I do not understand this motor. I can see that it is purely mechanical and it contains epicyclic gears. And… judging by the photos must have cost quite a fortune to build. --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #41 on: 2026-02-10, 12:21:10 »

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Quote from: Grumage on 2026-02-09, 18:37:06

And… judging by the photos must have cost quite a fortune to build.

Yes, but today most of these parts can be 3D printed in the metal of your choice by mail-order services like PCB Way (they offer traditional CNC machining, too). They charge per cubic centimeter - the number of feature details do not add to the cost.
The bearings would need to be purchased, though.

Are there any magnets or windings or plutonium in it ?

Grumage	Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #42 on: 2026-02-10, 13:24:56 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 3117	It’s not something I would contemplate doing without seeing a working device. However here’s an epicyclic gear we recently printed in Carbon fibre reinforced PLA for one of my model engines. Cheers Graham. Unbalanced Lever IMG_0732.jpeg (510.75 kB, 1522x1345 - viewed 56 times.) --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

chief kolbacict	Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #43 on: 2026-02-11, 08:48:18 »
Sr. Member Posts: 407	Quote from: Verpies on 2026-02-10, 12:21:10 Are there any magnets or windings or plutonium in it ? No. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elur-suQ2pY It's actually a bit mystical. The device works by creating a certain amount of pressure on the flange without movement, meaning without performing any mechanical work. My brain refuses to believe it.

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #44 on: 2026-02-11, 12:41:42 »

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Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2026-02-11, 08:48:18

No.
It's actually a bit mystical. The device works by creating a certain amount of pressure on the flange without movement, meaning without performing any mechanical work.
My brain refuse to believe it.

A contradiction in terms? I’m very skeptical particularly when the demonstrator nearly stalled the pistol drill. It smacks of the William Skinner device?

Slightly changing the subject what are the thoughts on an improved version of this simple idea?

https://youtu.be/X4ppw8N0gfE?si=PMAAhhNq17r4aTkF

Sadly my granddaughter couldn’t get the rhythm to the up and down motion. If a hub alternator/dynamo were fitted could a servo system be employed to keep the flywheel spinning?

Regards Graham.

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chief kolbacict	Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #45 on: 2026-02-11, 15:22:24 »
Sr. Member Posts: 407	Quote from: Grumage on 2026-02-11, 12:41:42 It smacks of the William Skinner device? Absolutely not.

Grumage	Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #46 on: 2026-02-11, 16:20:48 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 3117	Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2026-02-11, 15:22:24 Absolutely not. Why not. Have I misunderstood the principle isn’t it based upon an overbalancing mass? Regards Graham. --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

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Re: Unbalanced Lever « Reply #47 on: 2026-02-11, 16:36:36 »

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I remember this video from years ago at Stefan’s
Very hard to see this video ( very dark and cloudy images), seems it used hydraulic oil ??

Chief ( your opinion) does it utilize oil ?

Since I’m asking “oil” questions..
Could this be micro diesel or …_phase change_energy system?

The very strong eccentric gear within a ring gear reminds me of rotary Compression mechanism ( Wankel /others (Tariel??))

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