JB Zero Force Motor

[JimBoot]

Anyone tried this build? I had 3 builders pop into my YT feed last night who have done replications including Coule Joule & Lidmotor. Here is Lidmotor's build
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ob914aCKw

[Erfinder]

Anyone tried this build? I had 3 builders pop into my YT feed last night who have done replications including Coule Joule & Lidmotor. Here is Lidmotor's build
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ob914aCKw

I built:   

• a single rotor 2 coil motor
• a dual rotor 4 coil motor generator
• a 6 coil motor/generator hybrid based on this coil topology

all built and tested back in 2013.


Regards

[JimBoot]

Thanks mate, nothing to see here then? Not sure why the resurgence all of a sudden

[Erfinder]

Thanks mate, nothing to see here then? Not sure why the resurgence all of a sudden

On the contrary, there is lots to experience.  In the end one will discover that this is not the ideal coil topology for this kind of field interaction, I did anyway....

Regards

[TinMan]

On the contrary, there is lots to experience.  In the end one will discover that this is not the ideal coil topology for this kind of field interaction, I did anyway....

Regards

On this we can agree. We were building this configuration years ago on IAEC.
Just another case where JB has taken some old stuff and decided to call it his new invention.

[Grumage]

I built:   

• a single rotor 2 coil motor
• a dual rotor 4 coil motor generator
• a 6 coil motor/generator hybrid based on this coil topology

all built and tested back in 2013.


Regards

Dear Erfinder.

As no one else has commented, may I congratulate you on the build quality of your motors, almost EE porn !!       oooohaaagh.........

Cheers Grum.

[JimBoot]

Dear Erfinder.

As no one else has commented, may I congratulate you on the build quality of your motors, almost EE porn !!       oooohaaagh.........

Cheers Grum.

I'll second that, they are amazing!

[TinselKoala]

Built and tested in 1999, photo from 2005:

[TinMan]

My zero force motor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOdAneOt7lk

[Farmhand]

Tinman, How come the add at the beginning of your video ? Monetize your channel did you ? I didn't think you would need the money.One thing is for me at least, if I get an add at the beginning of a video from a link on one of these sites, I do not continue to watch and rarely get past the add. My opinion is open source does not contain adds, and placing adds or allowing them on informational you tube video's amounts to an alternative motive.

I hereby boycott all video's containing add's when there is no solid reason for you tube to force an add due to a copyright infringement.

Anyway, I must be missing something is there any benefit to a motor that exerts zero force ? Makes little sense to me.

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[JimBoot]

good to hear from you mate. Open Source doesn't mean you cant make coin. My business runs primarily on open source software.

[Erfinder]

We are supposed to be free thinkers, yet we do everything in our  power to limit and or control what our peers are thinking.  We take pleasure in pointing the finger, bashing the gurus, bashing and badmouthing mainstream.  Isn't it interesting that none of the badmouthing, bashing, and finger pointing has brought us to a viable solution and or alternative to any of the so-called problems that we collectively rebel against?  Do you not find it strange that nothing being discussed is either useful, or practical for the immediate or long term?

Patents cost money, John Bedini has several, you better believe that someone somewhere believes in what that man has been giving you.  It would not be in our best interest to respect the fact that his actions (sharing with the community) could be considered as a violation of agreements made between his investors and himself.  You would be wise to take a closer look at the machines you are calling useless. 

I am not affiliated with John Bedini, I only study technologies which interest me.  Over the years, I have come to understand that one needs to be very creative when one wants to get around one's own protected intellectual property.   The idea in the saying, "say what you mean and mean what you say" has no bearing here.  We are being motivated to think for themselves, to read between the lines, to form our own conclusions, and pioneer our own paths.  It is shameful that the majority form their opinions based on the efforts that their peers put in on the bench.  Little or no work is being done by the majority, that which is being done can be reduced to copy and pasting of experiments done by the "alphas" in the community. 
 
The Zero Force Motor, as presented, is a motor only in as far as the adopted geometry mirrors what we were all taught in school about commutated DC machines.  I am referring specifically to the quadrature relations between the rotor and stator fields when the device is energized.  In this device this relation is established so as to have the maximum torque produced at the desired switching position, that position being the point of maximum induced potential.  It should be kept in mind that the device as presented and operated is not capable of producing torque in the true sense of the term, and in fact produces much less torque than any pulse motor I have ever tested.  The lack of torque is being interpreted negatively.  Most of the diehard experimenters see such things and are compelled to fix a problem which technically doesn't exist.  This negative bias stops the replicator from appreciating that this device when operated like the presenter suggests, is the equivalent of an electric turbine.  The mechanism which facilitates the production of forward torque, is the same mechanism which produces the undesired negative torque.  In this scenario, both are being limited, sacrificed as it were so as to allow the machine to operate more as a speed generating machine versus a torque generating machine.

The few who performed a replication were preoccupied with what was stated by the presenter.  There are moments when we must only consider their words and focus on what we are being shown.  As I indicated in a previous post, I have built several of these machines, in the exact same manner as was described by the presenter.  I studied the device itself and the comments concerning the device and its operation at that time.  Between the two, I began to recognize that the adopted and presented geometry was far from ideal.  In addition to this, the adopted and presented geometry could not be integrated into existing off the shelf motor and or generators, the latter is something I look for and is not motivated by anything that the presenter suggests.   I have found that to get a real idea of what is being suggested by the presenter it is necessary to be familiar with all of his work and not just the device under investigation.  We don't see folks performing cross reference, what we observe is the book being judged by its cover.  The message then falls on deaf ears, and closed minds.  These deaf and closed minded individuals then stunt the growth of their peers via induction.

Zero Force in my opinion relates to the neutralization of the negative torque associated with counter electromotive force.  In this machine CEMF is low, but is still produced, CEMF in this device still operates as current limiter.  This device can be operated at incredible speeds, at extremely low current.  When constructed properly, the wave form should be asymmetrical, direction of rotation of the rotor should have a direct relation to the polarity of the wave.  Under such a condition the applied voltage has a new relation to the induced, the two can work so as to augment one another or work antagonistically as is the norm.

All that to say this, we aren't justified in bashing the only individuals who have technically  put us on this  path that we are on.  What they have done is provided you with just  enough insight to make you a potential consumer of products in their portfolio.  You can choose to become a loyal customer, or you can choose to push beyond.  Dig deeper, find that which enable them to be granted patent protection.  What you may find may surprise you...some of you.   

The idea of the Bloch wall didn't originate with the presenter.  Mainstream "informs" us that it doesn't exist.  Fact is, who cares if it does or doesn't.  If you need the concept to explain what you are doing, do it.  If you can explain what you are doing without it good for you.  As no one knows what magnetism is, neither and both are right, and neither and both are wrong.....accept that and move on, neutral is where we ultimately want to be anyway......this is message which can be extracted from the machines, hopefully you are familiar with the machines from which I speak.  If you aren't now would be the perfect time for you to identify it and identify with it.

Regards

[Grumage]

Tinman, How come the add at the beginning of your video ? Monetize your channel did you ? I didn't think you would need the money.One thing is for me at least, if I get an add at the beginning of a video from a link on one of these sites, I do not continue to watch and rarely get past the add. My opinion is open source does not contain adds, and placing adds or allowing them on informational you tube video's amounts to an alternative motive.

I hereby boycott all video's containing add's when there is no solid reason for you tube to force an add due to a copyright infringement.

Anyway, I must be missing something is there any benefit to a motor that exerts zero force ? Makes little sense to me.

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Dear All.

Off topic, I know but........

Some months back I decided to monetise my channel on YouTube as a couple of videos were getting serious interest. What I had forgotten was that in the interest of being anonymous I had given completely bogus info to get my account.

Brad has said on many occasions the funds raised help towards his experiments I was hoping to do the same, ah, the price of anonymity!! 

Cheers Grum.

[TinMan]

Dear All.

Off topic, I know but........

Some months back I decided to monetise my channel on YouTube as a couple of videos were getting serious interest. What I had forgotten was that in the interest of being anonymous I had given completely bogus info to get my account.

Brad has said on many occasions the funds raised help towards his experiments I was hoping to do the same, ah, the price of anonymity!! 

Cheers Grum.

Grum

Make a new channel.
First make sure you have all your video's backed up.
2nd-delete youtube account.
3rd-make new youtube account,and upload the video's that you think should be up there.
It will take a couple of weeks before you can monerterize your new account,as you have to have so many views before you can do that.

2nd option.
Just open a new account with your real details,and leave your old one up as well.
My old account  ! duneraider ! is still up,and if i ever need one of my very early video's,they are there.

Compared to some(most)youtube money earners,i dont have many hit's or video's up--but i now make around $300.00 plus a month-->not bad for something you like doing. This covers most of the costs of my experiments. Another 600 odd video's,and i should be able to retire lol.
So it's worth you sorting it out in the long run.
My wife still says she cant believe i get paid to do this lol.

[Paul-R]

good to hear from you mate. Open Source doesn't mean you cant make coin.

Making Ubuntu Linux available free paid for Mark Shuttleworth's visit to the ISS.

[Farmhand]

I agree with Tinman, JB has just just used all the same bits and rearranged things a bit and calling it a new invention, it's a toy, and I see no real use for it, the mechanical output power is likely still tied to the input in some way and the entire set up is under unity. It's just another pulse motor.
Build one that can drive a generator and light up a 25 Watt bulb with 25 watts of power (DC) and see what the input and output figures tell you.

As for the add's I just can't afford the data any more to watch adds. Some of us must budget and we pay expensive rates for data, so if I see an add chewing away at my high priced data I kill it.

NBN is not rolled out here yet. So the person who's channel has adds gets some money but it costs me more to watch the video. Please explain to me why I should pay more to watch an add before the video I desire to watch just so someone else can get some money because I watched their video.

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[TinMan]

NBN is not rolled out here yet. So the person who's channel has adds gets some money but it costs me more to watch the video. Please explain to me why I should pay more to watch an add before the video I desire to watch just so someone else can get some money because I watched their video.

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I dont think it is any one's fault that your ISP hasnt got there sh-t together yet. Most ISP's have unlimited data packages now,so i guess your just behind the eight ball. I also do not include the roll through add's.as they are a pain in the butt. My add's you just skip or hit the X button,and there gone.

[Farmhand]

Brad you seem to be under the impression that a pensioner can afford 90 dollars a month for an unlimited data plan, even paying 30 dollars a month for line rental on a land line phone is an expense I can do without at the moment, even if I did have access to one, just now I do not, maybe soon I will, I'll crunch the numbers and see what I can afford when I get access to a land line so I can even get an unlimited ADSL deal, which I would not even need, 50 gig a month would be heaps for me. Until then I must use wireless broadband at about 6 dollars a gig. I likely won't change my stance anyway no matter what data deals I can get as a matter of principal. Nothing personal, I do the same with almost all you tube video's.

Anyway it's fine by me, people can do as they please. and others can give opinions on what they do. so all is good and as it should be. Your vids will have adds and I won't be watching them. I'm sure that won't bother you anyway, at least it shouldn't.
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[ion]

From Tinman:

Compared to some(most)youtube money earners,i dont have many hit's or video's up--but i now make around $300.00 plus a month-->not bad for something you like doing. This covers most of the costs of my experiments. Another 600 odd video's,and i should be able to retire lol.

Well that explains a lot. I didn't realize there was so much money to be made with youtube videos.

Now all the missing pieces fit together.

The youtube video business is the free energy machine, and I've been wasting my time watching youtube videos, many (but not all) of which are bogus and designed with catchy titles, while I could have set my own youtube video free energy machine in operation.

Could have nicely supplemented my very meager social security income check.

Eventually naive persons like myself do occasionally wake up.

[Farmhand]

Yep when I see ads on video's for monetization I see an alternative motive for producing more video's with apparent breakthroughs ect.
You tube tries to force ads on me due to perceived copyright infringements and if their claims of an infringement are bogus I fight it and force them to remove the ads, i have about two or three video's that I could not refute as the next door neighbour was playing music that was recorded by my making of a video. I soon learned to turn off the tv and all other radio ect. and make sure the neighbour is not playing music before I record a clip.

I haven't uploaded a clip in quite some time but I keep getting new subscribers.   Which means people are getting something from some of my video's, likely a dose of logic and reality I hope.

It's all good, we are all entitled to do whatever we like including that we are all also entitled to say our piece and raise our suspicions.

The title "Zero Force Motor" makes no sense at all even. lol

To my way of thinking intentional monetization of a you tube channel indicates an ulterior motive, other than the advancement of the search for free energy.

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[TinMan]

Yep when I see ads on video's for monetization I see an alternative motive for producing more video's with apparent breakthroughs ect.
You tube tries to force ads on me due to perceived copyright infringements and if their claims of an infringement are bogus I fight it and force them to remove the ads, i have about two or three video's that I could not refute as the next door neighbour was playing music that was recorded by my making of a video. I soon learned to turn off the tv and all other radio ect. and make sure the neighbour is not playing music before I record a clip.

I haven't uploaded a clip in quite some time but I keep getting new subscribers.   Which means people are getting something from some of my video's, likely a dose of logic and reality I hope.

It's all good, we are all entitled to do whatever we like including that we are all also entitled to say our piece and raise our suspicions.

The title "Zero Force Motor" makes no sense at all even. lol

To my way of thinking intentional monetization of a you tube channel indicates an ulterior motive, other than the advancement of the search for free energy.

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I disagree.
I would be uploading video's regardless of whether or not i made money from those video's-you can see that clearly on my channel-when it started,and when i started placing adds to make a bit of cash. If not for this bit of extra money,then there would be no digital scope,function generator,and current limited power supplies. I spend a lot of my time and money on some of these projects,and i provide the results of that time and money to all you guys in the hope that it may help all of us in the end. Everything i have given is only possable due to that bit of extra cash from youtube. Without that,i couldnt do what i do now in the same magnetude. $8 to $10 a day really is not that much--hell,lunch each day cost me more than that.

There are some who make a living out of this,and im talking millions a year. The highest paid youtube channel is earning over $3 000 000.00 a year,and all they do is unbox new toys for the kids to watch. I work for $28.00 an hour,while my boss charges me out at $105.00 an hour--but i still go to work-and most of you who work will be in the same boat.

What do my adds really cost you guy's,when all you have to do is skip them or hit the X button.

I really do not think it is wrong to get a little back for what i put into it.

[Grumage]

We're still off topic.........

But I have to agree with Brad here. I could be raking it in ATM as I have 2 videos that are constantly seeing 500 hits every day, it would really help a lot towards my material costs!!

With regard to your comment ION I don't think I have ever noticed any ads before any of the earlier Akula, or many of the other Russian videos. So there must be some other reason why they do it. I might be wrong though as I just skip asap!!

Perhaps Jim, if you're reading this you could Skype me? As this old f**t is pretty useless with IT matters.

Cheers Grum.

[Chet K]

Grum
Don't you have one vid chasing a million hits?

Better not let jimmy tell you the payout on that one...
You'll be hitting your head against the wall!! (Your wife might help you)

I agree with the builders,they deserve every bit and much more for sharing their work.

Chet

[Grumage]

Grum
Don't you have one vid chasing a million hits?

Better not let jimmy tell you the payout on that one...
You'll be hitting your head against the wall!! (Your wife might help you)

I agree with the builders,they deserve every bit and much more for sharing their work.

Chet

Hi Chet.

Knock a nought off........ But both are rapidly reaching the 200,000 mark!

The audience seems to be mainly far eastern who'd have thought the humble flywheel was so interesting?   

Cheers Grum.

[T-1000]

Hi all,

There are also interesting ideas in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK3JOlY0V8Y with magnetic field redirection with proper geometry  to compensate drag and reusing reactive power in the loop of the input.
I think this cooperates with the topic in thread.

Cheers!