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ACCA posted this at Stefan's

 https://ie.energy/about.html[/size][/font]
https://www.ie.energy/video/earth_engine_longform_v07-1000x428.mp4
https://www.ie.energy/video/disruptive_technology_10-10_v01.mp4
https://www.ie.energy/video/importance_of_the_team.mp4
https://www.ie.energy/video/get_involved.mp4
 
https://www.ie.energy/video/engine_introduction_conf.mp4
 
 
https://freedomfest2018.sched.com/sponsor/iec_laboratories.1y79x6bz
 
Welcome to "Where Is the Voice of Reason?" FreedomFest 2018 July 11 - 14 2018 Paris Resort Las Vegas. You are part of "the greatest libertarian show on earth." Enjoy three and half days full of learning, sharing, networking and growing the liberty movement, together!
 
 
Inductance Energy Corporation
 Inductance Energy Corporation in 2018 will complete the first commercial installations of the Danzik Magnetic Propulsion Engine – The Earth Engine. These patent-pending, 7.5-kilowatt to 25-kilowatt engines produce power through the applied science of magnetic propulsion, delivering 2,500 to over 25,000 pounds of reactive magnetic pressure to produce emissionless power for pumping, compressors, air conditioning, and electrical energy. After eight years of laboratory development, under management of noted engineer Dennis M. Danzik, the Earth Engine is now being installed in four key western States during 2018. IEC will be demonstrating commercial models of the Earth Engine at FreedomFest. [/font]
   

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Well if it is true the game is up, they would have a monopoly on power leasing, what do others think?

I think something may be up here :-\

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I am asking a friend of ours out in Las Vegas to have a look ?
Gary Vesperman should be able to give some feedback .
   

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I think it is something like this which is already patented

https://plus.google.com/102005083791293244516

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Reading their bumf and looking at their videos tells me that they use magnets in repulsion as their prime force.  To get magnets close together without having to apply force they have some form of interrupter which is removed when the magnets are close.  So I did a quick FEMM simulation of two repelling magnets that have linear motion being brought together then moved apart, like a pair of horizontally opposed pistons.  During the bringing together phase there is a FE block in the middle that reduces the repulsion forces.  In fact having that block there changes the repulsion to attraction as the magnets get close to the block.  Then with the magnets close the Fe block is removed sideways and that requires force and energy to do so.  Now the full repulsion forces are present so the magnets can move apart to do work.  My quick simulation using a minimum number of data points, then plotting the forces v movements on graph paper and counting squares under the graphs to get energy does show overunity, like input energy comes to four squares and output energy comes to eight squares.  Too early to claim success but it is worth following up.

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Here is a pdf of the above-quoted patent, I think it is similar

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Mechanical parametric variation of permeability/inductance?

Reading their bumf and looking at their videos tells me that they use magnets in repulsion as their prime force.  To get magnets close together without having to apply force they have some form of interrupter which is removed when the magnets are close.  So I did a quick FEMM simulation of two repelling magnets that have linear motion being brought together then moved apart, like a pair of horizontally opposed pistons.  During the bringing together phase there is a FE block in the middle that reduces the repulsion forces.  In fact having that block there changes the repulsion to attraction as the magnets get close to the block.  Then with the magnets close the Fe block is removed sideways and that requires force and energy to do so.  Now the full repulsion forces are present so the magnets can move apart to do work.  My quick simulation using a minimum number of data points, then plotting the forces v movements on graph paper and counting squares under the graphs to get energy does show overunity, like input energy comes to four squares and output energy comes to eight squares.  Too early to claim success but it is worth following up.

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False Alarm!! :-[
Did a proper set of FEMM runs using Lua scripting to get the thing running automatically.  Just analysed the results and the COP comes in at 0.995.  Doesn't mean that the real thing would give that result because FEMM cannot take into account any movement of the spin-polarized conduction electrons in conductive magnets or conductive soft material like Fe.  FEMM assumes uniform magnetization in PM's but the electron movement modifies that.
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I have some CMR magnets that attract and hover others that lock. I bought them years ago as I thought they maybe interesting to use in a mag motor to get past the sticking point. Still haven't tried them but I wonder if some of these designs use mags with custom polar patterns.
   

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did a little digging on that first vid.
RDX technologies Corp own the domain name ie.energy
RDX Technologies Corp is defunct according to this https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-azd-2_16-cv-00607/pdf/USCOURTS-azd-2_16-cv-00607-4.pdf
And they categorised the video as comedy. Maybe accidentally.


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ANd the YT channel leads to a site that sells trolleys which seems unrelated to RDX.

They were doing water treatment in 2014. https://schweikert.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news/rdx-unveils-technology-scottsdale-factory

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"Danzik, during the Monday conference call, said the company would announce the locations of its Odessa operations “in due time.”

The City of Odessa has no records of building permits filed by RDX or Ridgeline within the city limits in the last year, according to spokesperson Andrea Goodson. Ector County would not have required building permits, and county project manager David Peck said he did not know of RDX Technologies.

The Texas Commission of Environmental Quality showed no permits issued to RDX Technology or Ridgeline Energy Services, suggesting that the permits Danzik said company filed for were under a different operating name. A review of records with the Secretary of State also yielded nothing about the two companies.

https://www.oaoa.com/news/article_fda8edc2-b3ab-11e3-bb96-001a4bcf6878.html

As Ronee said, it quacks like a duck....
   

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Only 10K require if you want to invest. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1733169/000173316918000003/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml

This page which I don't think is meant to be published allows you tio pay a monthly fee to be part of the "founders circle" Only $50/month
https://ie.energy/index-2.html
   
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False Alarm!! :-[
Did a proper set of FEMM runs using Lua scripting to get the thing running automatically.  Just analysed the results and the COP comes in at 0.995.  Doesn't mean that the real thing would give that result because FEMM cannot take into account any movement of the spin-polarized conduction electrons in conductive magnets or conductive soft material like Fe.  FEMM assumes uniform magnetization in PM's but the electron movement modifies that.
The interesting thing for me is that it shows me how the movement of spin-polarized conduction electrons can be put to good use.  In the usual magnet to magnet reactions as one magnet passes by another producing so called cogging, any movement of the conduction electrons inside each magnet does not yield assymmetrical cogging, energy gained equals energy lost, you don't gain anything.   But introduce a third item such as the lump of Fe between repulsing magnets and then things are different.  If I assume the Fe has electron-magnets (spin polarized electrons) that get forced to one end of the lump, that alters the force v. distance profile in such a way as to reduce the energy needed to remove the lump of Fe.  It's what I call dynamic magnetization movement, it goes on inside the Fe.  If I modeled that somehow it would push my COP above unity.  As that seems to be something profound it is worth following up.  I have long held the view that such internal movement could be the key to breaking the normal "energy gained equals energy lost" symmetry.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZkuteW_Q9k

Funny how it seems to work on the very same priciple's as the LUTEC generator  C.C


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Lutec, and all PMMs in general, are supposed to operate on the same principle: magnets or ferromagnetic masses follow a different path in their comings and goings in the magnetic field gradient, so that the work performed is different, providing energy gain over a cycle.

As Smudge said about "the usual magnet to magnet reactions", "energy gained equals energy lost, you don't gain anything". This is not specific to magnetism but to all forms of potential energy: the work does not depend on the path but only on the starting point and the end point. These two points give the difference in potential energy that will drive the movement, which is obviously zero when they are the same, which is the case in a cycle.

The fact of introducing additional magnetic elements does not change anything because the same principle also applies to them, including what happens inside the material itself. There is nothing of our knowledge in magnetism that allows us to consider a gain in magnetic mass movements.
So if we assume this possibility a priori, and look for a theoretical explanation, it should include the origin of the additional energy and how its extraction is done by magnetism. 

A theory being necessary to model our observations, I do not see any point in it if we do not have evidence of unexplained new facts. So I expect IEC to have its product validated by an independent body so that the facts are well established. But even if we took IEC at their word, today we lack the data to develop a theory.


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I am asking a friend of ours out in Las Vegas to have a look ?
Gary Vesperman should be able to give some feedback .

Good work, Chet.  Let us know.

They are bold.  To me, the proof is in the pudding - does it work? 
Theory can come after, if we can experimentally test the Earth Engine to ascertain whether or not it is really producing power 24/7 as claimed.

https://ie.energy/zero_grid.html    - nice vid

I don't suppose they have a smaller prototype that is for sale?
   
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If I understand it correctly, they are not necessarily marketing a free energy device. They are marketing a 100% accelerated tax depreciation on future installations (which may never happen) after your initial large investment.

An interesting scheme among others, not necessarily new. Check out the "invest" tab on their website.

And hold (tightly) on to your wallet.


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If I understand it correctly, they are not necessarily marketing a free energy device. They are marketing a 100% accelerated tax depreciation on future installations (which may never happen) after your initial large investment.

An interesting scheme among others, not necessarily new. Check out the "invest" tab on their website.

And hold (tightly) on to your wallet.
they list 5 directors. They have 0 revenue. They are seeking to raise an additional 29mill. As at 12 months ago they had one investor who had tipped in 1mill.
   
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Dansie seems to have a principle interacting at his forum [K Walsh ?]
I forgot they [Dansie] have an office in Vegas

https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/
   

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Dansie seems to have a principle interacting at his forum [K Walsh ?]
I forgot they [Dansie] have an office in Vegas

https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/

revolution-green is such a shit site.
Even when your a member,you cant comment on threads unless you sign up with some other garbage-->what kind of crappy setup is that.


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Mr.Walsh posted this info in his replies to questions

https://m.phys.org/news/2018-11-defy-19th-century-law-physics.html

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Dr. Jordi Prat-Camps, a research fellow at the University of Sussex, has for the first time demonstrated that the coupling between two magnetic elements can be made extremely asymmetrical. Working with colleagues from the Austrian Academy of Sciences and University of Innsbruck, Dr. Prat-Camps' research rips up the physics rule book by showing it is possible to make one magnet connect to another without the connection happening in the opposite direction.
   
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Mr.Walsh posted this info in his replies to questions

https://m.phys.org/news/2018-11-defy-19th-century-law-physics.html

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  I'm familiar with that paper - fascinating!

WHERe did Mr Walsh post this info?  thanks, Chet!
   
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In the back and forth comments at Dansies forum here

https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/

ACCA posted this at Stefan's

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So here is the "techo-babble" as to the official explanation of "HOW THE MACHINE WORKS"...

Re-posted...


Flagship Product – The Earth Engine
The Earth Engine uses the rotary motion of a large flywheel mass (4,500 to 6,500 pounds) to induce a spin in a power ring that can produce a powerful magnetic force of up to 30,000 pounds. Think of this force as two magnets with two similar fields (North to North or South to South) “pushing” against one another.
We measure these forces at one-centimeter distance from one “fuel” segment (imbalanced magnet) to the other segment. We use the term fuel to describe our magnetic shapes, instead of the word magnet due to the fact that we imbalance the magnetic force and we do not use the attraction side of the magnetic field.
Let it be understood that IEC fuel is a depleting fuel source. In other words, over a period of time, the magnetic potential (strength) weakens over a period of many years. This magnetic potential is where the kinetic energy is gained in Magnetic Propulsion.
We “push” the large mass by controlling the magnetic field. When the two opposing fuel sources (magnetic fields) driving the flywheel mass are in the correct position, the Engine fires a small electromagnetic charge measuring about 52-watts. This charge allows the opposing fuel sources to “see” each other, and can produce significant force to spin the large flywheel mass. This rotating mass inertia is then transferred via separate magnetic coupling to a generator which produces electrical energy. This power can also be used mechanically. (Source: https://ie.energy/about.html)
   
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Saw that techno babble and I do wonder what "an electromagnetic charge measuring about 52 watts" is!!  It gave me the idea to look at firing some soft ferro material between the opposing magnets but the simulations came up with a COP of unity.
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