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Author Topic: odd readings of my "meta" material. Neutrinos, electrostatics or what?  (Read 2430 times)

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Checked cells this morning. The resting voltage of them in series is continually fluctuating from 1.677 to 1.690 . I may stick them in the fridge later to test thermal variation. Need to find a 3v motor amongst my junk too.
   
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So I put my meters current probe on these new cells. It showed 2 - 5 micro amps. Then I put it on ones I made over a year ago which had a lot more of the carbon material and they measured between 100 - 200 micro amps. Calculator does not drain them. Ran for 25 minutes, no discernible change in voltage during the run. A few tests here. What’s the lowest power rated dc motor? Like to see if I can run these flat using inductive load.
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Hi JimBoot,

On your question at video time around 11:24, my answer is that the DMM ampermeter does shorts out the calculator, so there is no any cell voltage (the 1.495 - 1.5V) left to run the calculator. 

IF you have a 2nd DMM, switch it into the some kOhm resistance range and then you can check with it the internal resistance of your 1st DMM set to the same microamper measuring range: that resistance value you will see is what 'shorted out' your calculator and took away the current from it. 

Re your question on lowest power rated motor: if you mean off the shelf types, there is little or no choice because the current loadable from the cell is in the some hundred uA range.  The smallest current draw motor I found on ebay is this https://www.ebay.com/itm/262550362464  and it needs 10 mA run from 1.5V when the shaft is unloaded. 
Lasersaber showed the EZ-Spin motor with coils in series connection, having at least 15 kOhm DC resistance or higher and it has current consumption in the some 10 to some hundred uA range.
One of his latests with crystal cell feeding is here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nCuGtEDI5g    His so far ultimate motor is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNcgnooayDc

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Thanks Gyula, I was thinking of throwing an ossie motor together. I've run it before on 1-2ma so I'll give that a go and stop hunting :)
   

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Similar Devices have quite a History.  It is quite easy to build devices which output
a small voltage and current seemingly from "nowhere.:"

The Voltaic Pile

The Zamboni Pile

Batteries - Wet and Dry/Voltaic Pile

The DuLuc Dry Pile High-voltage source

The Clarendon Dry Pile


Is there a similarity?


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Similar Devices have quite a History.  It is quite easy to build devices which output
a small voltage and current seemingly from "nowhere.:"

The Voltaic Pile

The Zamboni Pile

Batteries - Wet and Dry/Voltaic Pile

The DuLuc Dry Pile High-voltage source

The Clarendon Dry Pile


Is there a similarity?
I'm familiar with some of those. Not that I can detect. I will be making more material and will try excluding the fecl3 as that is the only potential reaction that I can think of.
   

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Some newer cells showing promise. Up to 1ma and 1v. Running a calculator is easy now. I’m pretty much out of the old material now. Hopefully I’ll get some kiln time soon.
   

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I had some exfoliated material left. These do not have sodium silicate but are still slightly magnetic. I’m currently making them like this. Spread the material out, then roll it up with a graphite electrode in the centre, then wrap in foil.
   

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New material being fired now. Pictured is treated and untreated material before firing . I’m ramping up at 700f/h to 1382f. Then it’s set to bake for 2hours.  Cooking an untreated sample too.
   

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Also seeing a piezoelectric like effect where current rises and voltage will drop as pressure is applied. Not sure if it’s just because I’m making better contact or piezoelectric
   

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Here is the paper I think rms was referring to re sodium silicate being used with lead acid batteries. https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/e1/f8/c5/42cf28a5bc2254/US20040175623A1.pdf Now he’s building a magnetiser.
   

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This new material is much more sparkly and explodes while cooling down from 180f . A lot more iron in this batch. Resistance is 15ohms over 1”
   

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The way you're creating your Carbon is quite fascinating JimBoot.

Do you have any sort of hypothesis as to what the role or the function of the
Carbon and the Iron might be in producing the ElectroMotive Force?

Is your resistance measurement of 15 Ohms the Carbon just as it comes
from the oven while still in one piece?

I wonder what the resistance might be if the Carbon was powdered and pressed
into a rod or plate?


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The way you're creating your Carbon is quite fascinating JimBoot.

Do you have any sort of hypothesis as to what the role or the function of the
Carbon and the Iron might be in producing the ElectroMotive Force?

Is your resistance measurement of 15 Ohms the Carbon just as it comes
from the oven while still in one piece?

I wonder what the resistance might be if the Carbon was powdered and pressed
into a rod or plate?
As they are cooled slowly over 5 hours I suspect a crystal structure being formed by the iron hence my reference to Piezoelectrics. They reflect light like diamonds. I have other guesses but not theories. I'm fascinated by neutrinovoltaics so heading in that direction atm. The resistance measurement is from the material after firing before crushing. edit: Just measured the resistance over 1" for the fecl3 free carbon that was in the same bake. 9.9ohms mmm.
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Grabbed a splinter of the new material and dipped it in the waterglass wrapped it with paper separator while wet then added the foil. Measured 5-600 mv. A few hours later it has dried and is measuring 1.2v
   

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Took my third batch out let it cool for 6 hours and it seemed a little more crystaline. Both batches had shades of blue so I'm suspecting Cu contamination in the carbon I had surrounding it. Not sure where from though. There was a mix of glittering crystals some blue material stuck to the samples they were the same size as the activated coconut carbon I had surrounding them. These were magnetic though, the blue ones too. The photos didn't capture the detail. I put them on their own paper with NaSiO2 A day later they are showing over a volt and over 2ma on my dmm. Runs the calculator by itself. Then I stuck a magnet where the surrounding material was in the kiln tin and got a bunch more material. I put it on the paper the same way then tested the temp at various stages. It was always .3- .5 degrees c coolerthan ambient. I was thinking a chemical reaction but now I'm not sure what. This cell is showing similar performance and can run the calculator solo. We'll see what it's like tomorrow. To confuse things the intercalated carbon works still as well. I would have thought a higher temp if there was a chemical reaction. I'll add pix later.

EDIT: I'm going to soak new material and do it again with fresh receptacle . This is probably just a battery, chances are parts of the low grade stainless steel are getting into the samples . That's my guess until I try a new tin. Still would have thought it would have a higher temp tho.
   
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