Herman Anderson

[Jerry Volland]

I've been thinking about this Herman Anderson character.  His Water Fuel Car is still in the museum.  Minus a couple of control cards, of course.  (See the claims in Tesla's Wheatstone Bridge patent, and read between the lines).  The thing which distinguishes Anderson is that he was an 'insider' and was fully allowed to do his thing.

So he was using X-rays to dissociate water - radiolysis.  BUT, in the process, he was getting deuterium in the exhaust.  And this wasn't an accident, either.  Known as "The King of Ions", due to his long term work at Los Alamos Lab, he was well aware that burning deuterium in his engine releases more energy than burning hydrogen.

Anderson was also well aware of the electron impact spectrum, perhaps in it's entireity.  So when he said he was getting X-rays with 70 kV sparks from needle points, I'm sure he was.  I've seen at least one patent where water vapor particles throw off X-rays.  And I'm also confident that water vapor can sometimes act differently than water mist.

So what Herman had was concentric magnets, around a foot in diameter.  (Unlike the Bedini Wheel, minimum diameter isn't critical).  The inner slug magnet is still radially polarized, as is the outer square wall toroid.  Something like plexiglass sheets on both sides kept the gas on the inside, around the needles pointing away from the two inner magnetic surfaces.

Since Herman Anderson was getting fusion products, his approach  correlates, at least in my mind,  with some of my Plasmoid  experiments.  His voltage was so high because he knew what ion he wanted for his fuel gas.

[Chet K]

Jerry
My favorite section ( water fuel ...)
Anything which can be found on this claim towards a replication
Would be appreciated!
I believe you had mentioned Soft X-ray !? ( might have been a link
I found after you had told me of this ( will look later)

This soft X-ray was one issue with Mike's unit ( Centraflo TPU)
Would be interesting if water experiments could be ??

Thanks for starting topic !
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
There is also an open source water fuel replication in the works (Tom Reed at Stefan's forum)
For Sam Leach claim from 1970's ?
Lithium nitrate 20ppm at 500 psi runs appropriately modified ICE

[Jerry Volland]

Chet,

I like that lithium nitride (?) effect.  I'm going to the junk yard a get a cheap diesel injector, which will be more than adequate for the requisite pressure.  It's interesting how water's cohesion equates to binding energy.

[Jerry Volland]

Back to the new topic, Anderson reported that his waveform was a cross between a triangle and a box.  Or the other way around.  So this is what we refer to in the music business, relative to a synthesizer tone, as Attack, Sustain, Release, and Decay.  (ASRD). And there's also a big difference between a triangle wave and a sawtooth wave.  So if we use a square wave, it matters which comes first, the box or the triangle.  And this presumes that the box part of it isn't negative going.  I've also seen evidence that he was using a floating flux field, parallel to the field between the magnets.  I think this part is the key to his system.  So it may be a case of building it exactly like he shows it, instead of wondering why.  As Madam Blue used to say: "Just do it".

[Chet K]

https://waterpoweredcar.com/herman.html

[Grumage]

Jerry
My favorite section ( water fuel ...)
Anything which can be found on this claim towards a replication
Would be appreciated!
I believe you had mentioned Soft X-ray !? ( might have been a link
I found after you had told me of this ( will look later)

This soft X-ray was one issue with Mike's unit ( Centraflo TPU)
Would be interesting if water experiments could be ??

Thanks for starting topic !
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
There is also an open source water fuel replication in the works (Tom Reed at Stefan's forum)
For Sam Leach claim from 1970's ?
Lithium nitrate 20ppm at 500 psi runs appropriately modified ICE

Good morning Chet.

Re our telephone conversation the other day. Please find attached description of the cylinder pressures developed in the average Diesel engine.

Jerry, I'd suggest looking for the older style of Diesel engine injector as their operation depends solely upon the fuel oil pressure developed by the pump.

Cheers Graham.

[Chet K]

Grum
Thanks,
Here a video from a university group that interviewed Mr Anderson
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9AwFaX0kdFc

Lots of interesting comments ( some remarkable or ( cold fusion reference like it's known?)?


Around 16 minutes he goes through it again ( several bumpy moments prior where bits and pieces explained)

This is truly remarkable !
Edit
For comment below
Just checked
It worked for me!
There is another vid too ( same vid but not from a builder like above link ( considering contacting him for invitation here ..I see it's ionization  ?
I know another builder had an ionization forum ?(Stevie1001 ??I think?

[PhysicsProf]

Grum
Thanks,
Here a video from a university group that interviewed Mr Anderson
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9AwFaX0kdFc

Lots of interesting comments ( some remarkable or ( cold fusion reference like it's known?)?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9AwFaX0kdFc

Around 16 minutes he goes through it again ( several bumpy moments prior where bits and pieces explained)

This is truly remarkable !


   I get an error trying to watch on YT...    https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9AwFaX0kdFc
not working for me.  Is anyone else having a problem?

[Jerry Volland]

I checked on that replication thread at ionx, and it's stretched out to 28 pages.  That's TMI for sure.  Anyone who reads that much of someone else's ideas will have some of their own washed away, with certainty.  (The whole point of skeptical and/or extraneous jabbering).  I did see one message where he said he got it to work, but I'm not sure if he meant getting deuterons to the anode in the electrolyzer stage.  In the video, Herman says it's a waste to just send them down the carburator.  He maintains that the hho production is doubled when the isotope is already at the anode.

[Jerry Volland]

There was a little black opps at the start of the interview in the video.  He was looking at the corona spray tube and said it was a horizontal tornado.  After he talked about that and moved over, he looked back at the corona tube and said "magnetic".  Spinning charged ions produces a magnetic effect.  This would likely interact with the effect produced by the spark plug wire wrapped around the tube, reflecting  what was shown in the video's third segment by the guy he gave the controller card to.  And he agreed that you could stick the tube right down into the carburator; whatever with the hood.  Interesting video, overall.  The third segment showed the difference, without the isotope.    That guy's engine would only idle, then stall if the butterfly valve was activated.

[Jerry Volland]

Herman started off talking about the corona spin tube. When he saw his "Lead Chamber" right there, he said "Iron core".  He subsequently stated "just like a magnetron".  And some time after that, "insulation". 

So it sounds like there's an acrylic tube or coating inside what looks like a half liter Lead tube.  And that's so the opposing needle electrodes don't spark across the nearby conductive mass.

Herman talked about three kinds of radiation.  There was "Electronic Radiation"  which established "standing waves", with the throughput moving from + to -.  There was "magnetron Soft X-rays", for radiolysis.  And, unfortunately, there was "EMF Radiation" which would hit you if you stand next to the car while it's running.  This came from the coil around the Corona Tube.

I also found out Herman Anderson used constantly balanced KOH and a propane carburator on his 302 engine.  Besides that, he said he was using "the standard waveform".

[Chet K]

A block schematic of the components?
And a discussion around "what does each part do in" the process?

Somebody must have done this simple prelude to analysis already?

This ionization forum?

Respectfully
Chet K

[Jerry Volland]

Skylarian

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Herman was pretty adamant about the 70 kV.  He sourced this with two race car Ignition coils, rated at 35 kV each, for better performance in that field.  Then he could precisely adjust the needlepoint spark gap between the two needles in the "Lead Chamber".  The distance between the opposing needles to break down at the radiolytic potential of a combined 70 kV.  When he made his Lead Chamber magnetron, the slots he milled had to resonate with the chosen electron velocity.  (As taught by Farnsworth).  And this locked in the 70 kV, as the only operating potential.

[Jerry Volland]

A block schematic of the components?
And a discussion around "what does each part do in" the process?

Somebody must have done this simple prelude to analysis already?

This ionization forum?

Respectfully
Chet K

Talk to Mark about the block diagram?  He's really good with professional schematics and lay out.

Here's the link for Steve's thread:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=3151.0

[Jerry Volland]

I think the key to Anderson's system, even without the isotope, was the way he "pounded water drops into fog".  Anyone catch that part of his discussion?

[Chet K]

I believe that's a critical part
Thanks for link to ionization forum!

[Jerry Volland]

The thing I find exciting about the Herman Anderson video is his report that he was only using "11 milliamps".  A lot of the power splitting the water did come from the square wave pulse train switched from the alternator's output.  The alternator also powered the variable speed fan blade motor spinning the second distributor, synchronized or otherwise.

So you could do it with two DPDT automotive relays and an SPST.  One double relay switches the ignition coils, and the single one connects the alternator pulse.  The other double relay flip/flops the two switching relays. (AKA "Contactors").  This gives the alternator pulse a 50% duty cycle.  These pulses are conducted through the spinning fog by the HV triangle wave sparks in the corona, after an Ignitron coil is switched off.

Going back to the "11 milliamps", at 70 kV, that's 770W going into the engine.  The engine powered the alternator, and it took just over one Hp to make the fuel.

[Jerry Volland]

In the interview shown in the video, Anderson himself appears a little amazed that he only needed 11 mW to power his engine.  A highly credible Scientist giving locally verified reports of running his car on water.  I suppose  the mW's came from a reference battery?  Going by what Herman said, it would take twice as much without the deuterons producing "lead chamber" and focus on just the spin corona electrolysis.

The wiring mystery I've been encountering is the 70 kV to the spark plug, since he only had one wire spiraled around the Corona chamber.  (Any kind of copper wire).  So, he's either running a "hot" engine block, with a floating neutral, OR, maybe he has one distributor going to the plug, and the other one shoots the corona sparks conducting the 12 V pulses gated from the alternator.

[Jerry Volland]

According to what I've pulled from the video, there's a pre-ignition gap associated with the spiral coil.  This gap is external to the engine and can be at either end of the coil.  It follows that the coil is at the output of the spin tube's corona electrode circuit, between the corona generator and the spark plug.  Wiring it like this, both distributors would tie to the same wire.  The extra number of Ignition pulses would serve to increase the gas output from the corona tube, even with some of the pulses firing post ignition.

Also, the gas generator tube doesn't have any Lead shielding, indicating an absence of the X-ray threshold potential.  The sparks from each Ignition coil independently apply the 12 V square waves to the spinning fog.

[Chet K]

Jerry
Here a post from OU.com (post 37 from Sergh ( person who's input is always appreciated , the second attached research  link below with X-ray splitting.. Sound familiar? ..Herman's soft X-ray....

https://overunity.com/18865/low-temperature-catalytic-thermolysis-of-water/msg572292/#msg572292

Sergh
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Hello!
What do you think about... photolysis?
The process of decomposition of something under the action of some kind of radiation?
Of course, when you need to create artificial radiation, this is not a free process. But what if we use radiation that is imperceptible to us, powerful radiation that always exists around us in large quantities?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photocatalytic_water_splitting
https://www.google.com/search?q=Gamma+ray+zeolite+hydrogen

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