Nikola Tesla’s Inventions - Myth or Reality?

F6FLT · 2022.12.20, 20:13:45

Quote from: Grumpy on 2022.12.20, 18:59:47
Yet, Contraflow has a working device currently being tested and researched by a company that maintains nuclear reactors in GB.

So, you can stop acting like an "expert" now.

When I read your comments, I feel like I'm on a religious forum where a preacher wants to impose what we should believe. I am not a naive believer. So until proven otherwise, as always in science, what is asserted without proof can be denied without proof.

I don't believe for a second that Centralflow would have anything. At best he believes he has something. I've been through this before, you had to show your credentials in order to be put on the spot, and it turned out that everything was based on a confusion between force and work!...

It is not by repeating your leaps of faith that you will convince but by presenting us with the measurements you have made on this FE machine, and by providing us with the plan so that everyone can duplicate it.
I thought that was why we were on this forum. You don't understand what research is, and neither do those who keep their little secrets. Scientists share, that's why they succeed.
When you have nothing concrete to present, you either present falsifiable hypotheses or you keep quiet.

F6FLT · 2022.12.20, 20:24:43

When censorship applies to my texts here, I would like to know by whom, why, and that it be reported. It seems to me quite dishonest to obliterate part of an answer without notice.

Thanks

Chet K · 2022.12.20, 21:29:25

I was told there is a zero tolerance policy for defamatory comments or statements ( as were you)
Which would submit our host to litigation or lawsuits ( it's in the terms of service agreement you "agreed to")

It's a non negotiable item ( our hosts susceptibility to liability caused by guests)

This has already happened here , and not first time it's been mentioned to you .

Yes I know you are well versed and can weave a nice tapestry of ... nasty ..
Try to refrain from that temptation ,
while it may feel refreshing for you to vent ...

Not at our hosts expense!
BTW
It's never censorship when you violate an agreement (terms of service in this case)
It's a consequence!
Please don't expect our host to try and test the boundaries of his liabilities ,( on your behalf ??) best to completely
Avoid this !
Respectfully
Chet K

Grumpy · 2022.12.20, 21:59:03

Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.12.20, 20:13:45
When I read your comments, I feel like I'm on a religious forum where a preacher wants to impose what we should believe. I am not a naive believer. So until proven otherwise, as always in science, what is asserted without proof can be denied without proof.

Many, some scientist, believe we are living in some sort of simulation! Our reality is an illusion! Your beliefs are hollow as everyone else's.

Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.12.20, 20:13:45
I don't believe for a second that Centralflow would have anything. At best he believes he has something. I've been through this before, you had to show your credentials in order to be put on the spot, and it turned out that everything was based on a confusion between force and work!...

It is not by repeating your leaps of faith that you will convince but by presenting us with the measurements you have made on this FE machine, and by providing us with the plan so that everyone can duplicate it.
I thought that was why we were on this forum. You don't understand what research is, and neither do those who keep their little secrets. Scientists share, that's why they succeed.
When you have nothing concrete to present, you either present falsifiable hypotheses or you keep quiet.

Yes, I'm quite sure the physicist working on the project are mistaken and the device is not self-running, without a known fuel source, in their laboratory. Perhaps the simulation we live in is broken. Once our simulated reality is fixed, the device will no longer work.

I don't care to convince anyone who's mind is already made up.

There are plenty of scientist that do not "share". They are not allowed to, or wish to protect their work. If work is published, there are reasons for this beyond mere "kindness".

In any event, if I succeed with my project, I will be sure to share it openly.

Hakasays · 2022.12.21, 02:28:08

Quote from: F6FLT on 2022.12.20, 18:08:51
The patent dates from 1901, 6 years after Rötgen discovered X-rays.
Generating these rays from high voltages, without a tube, is indeed a valid invention but not of the importance of a discovery. Tesla did not discover X-rays, contrary to the lies about him (an insult to his memory), which is why it was Rötgen who won the Nobel Prize, not Tesla.

The timeline of Tesla's work is discussed in previous post: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4398.msg102679#msg102679

I take it this means you are leaning towards the 'radiant energy' as being some form of X-ray in Tesla's work?

Any predictions regarding the frequency or coherence of the emitted rays?
Do you think it is more likely generating hard X-rays or 'soft' X-rays that are closer to the UV spectrum?
I'm not aware of any academic attempts to reproduce since the original 1900's patents. It seems odd that such a simple setup could have been missed for so, so long.. Perhaps they were convinced it was impossible and thus never bothered to check?

Griffin has more detailed notes about the setup here if you are interested in the science. I am in contact as well and can forward any experimental tests or ideas or questions anyone has
https://griffingbrock.com/2022/12/14/teslas-single-wire-shadowgraph-recreated/

(I have already recommended lead shielding and VERY safe distances when doing tests

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F6FLT · 2022.12.21, 10:30:13

Quote from: Chet K on 2022.12.20, 21:29:25
I was told there is a zero tolerance policy for defamatory comments or statements ( as were you)
Which would submit our host to litigation or lawsuits ( it's in the terms of service agreement you "agreed to")

It's a non negotiable item ( our hosts susceptibility to liability caused by guests)
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First of all, you have not understood the meaning of my question.
I only ask that it be made clear in the text of the truncated answer, that a passage was removed, and the reason.
This is what is done in most forums. Example:
[passage removed here because it is defamatory] .
This is one of the practices that differentiates moderation from censorship. Normally there is no censorship here, only moderation.

Secondly, defamation here is not forbidden at all. We see it almost every day against academic scientists. Attributing the discovery of X-rays to Tesla when it is Röntgen who discovered them is defamation of him.

Thirdly, challenging what some people say is a common practice in real science, the academic science, where everyone accepts discussion as long as it is based on refutability. To assert that for such and such a reason, what so-and-so says makes no sense, is not defamation but analysis.
This is not defamation: "A capacity needs charges to be loaded. This simple idea goes over Eric Dollard's head, who does not understand what he is doing. The only capacitors that are apparently "remotely" charged are charged because they are in ionized air." So why was this removed? Or you'll have to explain to me why the incompetents who repeat that Maxwell didn't understand anything about the longitudinal wave and that Tesla is right are allowed to express themselves here.

Finally, general comments that do not point to anyone in particular are not defamation. Example:
"FE attracts crackpots from all over, since only a tiny fraction of the community understands the basics of physics and knows how to distinguish a scientific analysis by physicists, from the pseudo-scientific jargon of their imitators. "
So why was this removed?

If I made defamatory remarks, it was certainly not on the majority of what was removed, moreover without notification.

F6FLT · 2022.12.21, 11:12:26

@Hakasays

I've been hearing about "radiant energy" for years. It is a generic term in which everyone puts what they want. It can be X-rays as well as radio waves, near field waves, beta radiation, longitudinal waves...
When those who talk about "radiant energy" will be able to define what exactly they are talking about, I think they will have been replaced by real scientists.

Whether a very high voltage is channeled through a single wire or not, makes no difference. Very high voltages generate X-rays, it is commonplace, it is even a warning indicated in the maintenance manuals of CRT TVs and on EHV equipments:

http://monitor.espec.ws/download.php?id=134172

The old stories about Tesla are not relevant anymore.

Chet K · 2022.12.21, 13:50:20

F6
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It was made very clear by administrator in a non public
Discussion ( for all members )
That he had already suffered harm ( lawsuit threats ) from another members
Cavalier attitude towards his personal liability!

As already mentioned
Please do not expect our host to navigate his way
Through your litigious contributions!

The fix for members incurring liabilities at the expense of our host ( and most likely forums future) has also been mentioned in terms of service agreement !

So best to use your big brain and skill set in a means which is complimentary to science ( perhaps asking for empirical evidence or some experiments for scrutiny?

And less threatening to our forums future ,which BTW is really important to most of us ...
(As are many of your analytical contributions...( ( for clarity ..yes truly appreciated )

However...there is no scale to weigh contributions against risk here !

Respectfully
Chet K

Hakasays · 2022.12.21, 14:12:57

@F6: Answers in the cold cathode thread so we can try to roll this one back onto topic:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4406.msg102735#msg102735

As for "Myth v. Reality", we can at least safely say that Tesla made powerful discoveries and contributions regarding X-rays that were roughly coincident with Roentgen, some of which seem to have been lost (a single-wire, cold-cathode, high-efficiency X-ray tube).

We can also say that Tesla was probably the first high-ranking EE to warn the community of the potential dangers of X-rays, which may have saved tens of thousands of people:
https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/tesla-hurtful-actions-lenard-and-roentgen-tubes

ourunity · 2022.12.28, 02:24:46

Hello,

Our group has been working for some time to see if we could make a difference in power generation. For quite a few years, we didn't make too much progress but did a lot of experimenting.

At one point, we stumbled upon some of Tesla's old papers. It was about coils for a heater. It looks like it was done, most likely, from Walter Russell's work. This coil design was different from any of the previous papers, which were the same as today.

It did take us a few years experimenting with a few different models, to find the best way to implement this coil into the electric motors. It definitely works much better then the coils we have today. Tesla left us with a lot of ideas, but the problem is, how can our brains grasp a different concept? Our understanding is, that everything we know about electricity, must be re-visited and started from the beginning. There is no myth or mysticism around his work.

What we see is that whoever is doing any work with electricity, will have to look into Walter Russell's work and we are going to put some videos very shortly explaining what we are experimenting with.

Best Regards

F6FLT · 2022.12.28, 08:48:42

Quote from: Chet K on 2022.12.21, 13:50:20
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My comments were not defamatory, unlike yours about me. You should learn the exact meaning of the term and its legal context before you censor.

As for all the hiding that people do by opening up non-public threads thinking they are geniuses with secrets to keep when it comes to childish nonsense, it's getting a little tedious.
We should know if we're here to share ideas and experiments, and progress, or if this is the place for idiots to play Tesla to make themselves look good to other idiots. These ridiculous and despicable practices are becoming exasperating, it is certainly not research but show.

F6FLT · 2022.12.28, 08:56:26

Quote from: ourunity on 2022.12.28, 02:24:46
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It did take us a few years experimenting with a few different models, to find the best way to implement this coil into the electric motors. It definitely works much better then the coils we have today. Tesla left us with a lot of ideas
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What do you call "much better"?! In technique, we quantify.

The best electric motors today are more than 95% efficient, much better than anything Tesla did in his day. That doesn't mean that he didn't have merit, it means that we have made progress since then and that we absolutely don't need him anymore to make the best motors, which, like his, have never shown any OU.

Hakasays · 2022.12.28, 13:17:29

We've already established that some Tesla technologies (like single-wire cold-cathode X-ray tubes and longitudinal waves) were lost to history. It's unclear what's left to be unearthed.
What is clear is that the only people that will make progress with rediscoveries are the ones that actually go digging.

Excelsior · 2022.12.28, 14:51:40

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Chet K · 2022.12.28, 22:18:07

F6FLT
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My comments were not defamatory, unlike yours about me. You should learn the exact meaning of the term and its legal context before you censor.

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F6
You Diagnosing a person as a "real psychopath" (while using their name) over the internet ..on this forum ?

Definitely not allowed here !

Regarding claims here by inventors... forum guidelines define protocols ,
Claims are to be supported by schematics etc etc for replication and verification!

Always been that way !

Calling names etc ...not how it's done here !

Respectfully
Chet
Ps
Regarding my assumptions that you had personal experience with all the
Techs you dismissed .... in your Christmas greeting from Santa !

My apologies..I had seen you write disappointments with various experiments or claims over the years!

ourunity · 2022.12.28, 23:08:18

Our view, after many days on the bench and experimenting, the knowledge of electricity in today's world, is very incomplete or even very poor. Walter's ideas that Mr. Tesla put on papers for practical use is now, after 80 years, in form. The easiest way to describe it is by looking at the planets. The planets have 2 poles and the equator. We know that there is only one law for micro and macro. Looking at today's coil, we see only two poles, why the difference?

The saying goes "copy nature". Nature creates hemispheres which unite into spheres. When you look into the periodic chart of elements, which have a blue and red side spectrum, our musical scale has notes which follow octave pressures. Our math starts from zero, ends in zero which is 10 and 9 octaves in between. Somehow, along the line, someone forgot to tell e motor manufacturers to copy what we know. The best is to ask or research, to find as much as possible, before one goes to the bench.

Most know of the Wright brothers story. The scientific and the engineering communities were screaming---- impossible. I believe stories like this belong to the last century. Our video is on You Tube under e-unity motor. Whoever wants to go further can check it out and give their honest opinion. Another video is in progress explaining what Mr. Tesla and Mr. Russell were trying to tell us. We are not claiming that we know everything, but it is a good start.

F6 --- you are right. We don't need Mr. Tesla, but --- we need his ideas!! It is boring to play in the same old pen.

K--- Every argument that is civilized is good. The problem arises when we have textbooks that are totally wrong. Until one works hard on the bench, experiments with new ideas, only then can one learn. When one starts to argue with their beliefs, without understanding how electricity works exactly, we run into a big problem.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!

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'Belief without action has no measure'

Grumpy · 2022.12.28, 23:50:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOkvz5jfZ6g

around 3:36 begins the claim of OU

F6FLT · 2022.12.29, 10:08:42

Quote from: Chet K on 2022.12.28, 22:18:07
F6FLT
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My comments were not defamatory, unlike yours about me. You should learn the exact meaning of the term and its legal context before you censor.

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F6
You Diagnosing a person as a "real psychopath" (while using their name) over the internet ..on this forum ?

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Your comments are again defamatory. What you say is false, it is only your interpretation.
I never wrote what you attribute to me in quotation marks. It is a pure lie.

"Respectfully" that you put at the end of your inventions is hypocrisy, there is nothing respectful in what you say. I ask you to stop lying about me.

Chet K · 2022.12.29, 12:18:15

F6
I will not disrupt topic with your actual post
It will be placed in members only!

Note to ourunity
Are you open sourcing or ?

Respectfully
Chet K

ourunity · 2022.12.29, 19:18:58

Having the motor on You Tube is a sort of open source. Forums like this attracts individuals that are trying to do good for all. After creating something better and keeping it for one's self undermines its purpose. We believe that the more that are involved, the better. The field is so vast that financial gains lose importance.

Mr. Tesla worked on enhancement coils. Something like transformers with positive outputs. Vacuum tubes will come back with modification of new concepts. The ones that like to work will definitely have possibilities to be busy. Now we can have a very clear picture of what has been done to humanity when each tries to hoard as much as possible for themselves. I hope we have learned.

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'Belief without action has no measure'

F6FLT · 2023.01.02, 11:33:45

Quote from: Chet K on 2022.12.29, 12:18:15
F6
I will not disrupt topic with your actual post
It will be placed in members only!
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I replied there: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4356.msg102936#msg102936

ourunity · 2023.01.04, 22:05:41

I was reading an old post in the forum and I would like to comment about a few things. This is the way I see gravity – gravity is the power and energy behind matter. It is a controller, balancer and surveyor. The idea of matter that is creating, is in gravity.

There were some writings about inert gases. There is 9 of them. They are seeds of life in the universe.
The atoms and matter do not mix. Whoever is working in that area, will have to consult a chemist.

How do we know that there was no 'big bang'? The old nebulas are dying stars. For our sun to reach that stage, which is the middle of its life now, it could take 50B years easily. You cannot put an old grandpa with much younger bodies in space.

Our atoms came from somewhere and ran in circles, the way the story goes. Round balls are 3D. 3D starts from the first octave, combines elements from the blue and red spectrums and is somewhere around the 4th octave a sphere is created.

In other words, all the concepts about electricity are totally incorrect or opposite to nature's processes. Radial motors are with us for over 100 years. The first mistake was using one side of the coil.

Secondly, not knowing how electricity works, we built our coils only for one side of the cycle totally ignoring the expansion side. Einstein made the same mistake with his formula! If someone wants to make a difference in the OU, they must know electricity.

Best Regards

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'What you believe this is what you see. What you see this is what you get'