Overunity is Impossible without the Aether

[e2matrix]

For those who may remember Theoria Apophasis or Ken Wheeler who wrote a book on Magnetism and posted for awhile on overunity.com you may be familiar with this man who is truly genius (based on his background and his writings that is my opinion).   He has a new youtube out 3 days ago.  He has 305,000 followers so I think he has captured a fair audience on his youtubes which is a lot more than most of the free energy related videos that cover real information and not just fake gadgets.  I think there are likely some real genius level people on this forum also but Ken Wheeler is ... if nothing else a very deep thinker and it would seem really has great knowledge on magnetism and related info.

His new video is titled "FREE ENERGY & OVER-UNITY PROOF. Point Source Energy" in which he states you cannot have overunity without the Aether.   I think you may find some interesting info in his video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq7pw1LBlaM

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[NickZ]

Here is what he  says about  himself in his own words:So he says  he is the enthusiast that in my words:
- knows how to play out smoothly, a scenario , in the style of  a "talking head."
- heavily colliding with known, accepted and recognized  physics  in certain areas to the point of total rejection by these skilled in art enough to see it.
physics rejected  term "overunity" as colliding with 2nd law of thermodynamics.
physics rejected  term  " eather"  as an old  outdated, disproved,  concept form 19th/early 20th century .
Wesley

   
   Well Wesley, Verpies, and others of like mind are in the wrong place to be repeating your book learned conventional   ideas, and,  to be preaching your stuff to us here. This is a free energy forum, remember.
Your ideas are not needed, not welcome, either. Nor will ever produce a self runner, nor OU.
  The only thing that is disproved, is your attitude here. And the many times you've said the same BS about zenneck waves, and transferring energy from point A to point B. And telling us that TK is lying. You are so full of it... I asked you to prove your claim.  But, you will never do that.
Boring...and not free energy, at all.
   

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[NickZ]

   Then if this free energy forum is "nonsense", to you, and you say that there is no need for OU, nor free energy needed, nor possible, then why are you here?
     Like Chet told you, if you make a claim be prepared to show it doing so. So far you have not ever done that, as yet. But claim that zenneck waves transfer, are responsible for what Kapanadze has shown. Which means that he is lying, as you see it. While you are providing NO Proof.
That is what is nonsense, Wesley.

   NickZ

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[picowatt]

For those who may remember Theoria Apophasis or Ken Wheeler who wrote a book on Magnetism and posted for awhile on overunity.com you may be familiar with this man who is truly genius (based on his background and his writings that is my opinion).

Forum guidelines prevent me from stating my true opinion of this person, but "genius" is the last word that would come to my mind.   

I do recommend that anyone interested in what this guy has to say find the thread at OU.com (if still available) and read that thread before blindly following what he has to say.  The "evidence" he  presented in that thread (and in his book) to support his assertions was easily refuted with facts to which he responded with the rudest and most profane posts I have ever read on OU.com.  I was surprised it was allowed on that forum...

He has 305,000 followers so I think he has captured a fair audience on his youtubes which is a lot more than most of the free energy related videos that cover real information and not just fake gadgets.

I certainly hope we have not reduced the determination of credibility or scientific accuracy to the number of "followers" someone has on a YouTube channel. 

Long before the internet, there were those that had "followers".  It usually did not work out well for them...

PW

[Chet K]

 I did have conversations years ago with Ken ( on phone)
Discussing his Bismuth and Magnet ( strong neodymium) and "Heat ?" claims..  which at the time were amazing claims which seemed True ( his very expensive thermal imaging camera as evidence), as I recall his claim that magnetic field is always ( ?) in motion?
And it would therefore generate a heat anomaly when presented with the opportunity to engage with Bismuth ..( his thermal imaging camera seemed to support this claim)

There were many replication attempts (by physicists and layman) in caloric vessels.

Not one Caloric test showed this anomaly.. I remember asking him in a phone call for suggestions to help verify his "obvious" ( to him) results...
Was the last time we spoke.

I believe member TinselKoala pointed out a _reflective_ artifact ( heat signature ) which such cameras can exhibit ..
And I believe he looked up the exact make and model which Mr.Wheeler used and found an addendum related to infrared and artifacts ( a memo)
This seemed the only explanation at the time .

Respectfully submitted
Chet K
PS
Sorry for off topic "a bit"
However if Mr.Wheeler has any experiments which can be independently verified ( replication (s)?
Open source FE community would be very appreciative!

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[e2matrix]

Forum guidelines prevent me from stating my true opinion of this person, but "genius" is the last word that would come to my mind.   

I do recommend that anyone interested in what this guy has to say find the thread at OU.com (if still available) and read that thread before blindly following what he has to say.  The "evidence" he  presented in that thread (and in his book) to support his assertions was easily refuted with facts to which he responded with the rudest and most profane posts I have ever read on OU.com.  I was surprised it was allowed on that forum...

I certainly hope we have not reduced the determination of credibility or scientific accuracy to the number of "followers" someone has on a YouTube channel. 

Long before the internet, there were those that had "followers".  It usually did not work out well for them...

PW

There was a certain person on the OU forum that seemed to fancy himself as the top 'guru' and when Ken Wheeler came on there it seemed the 'guru' who I won't name was threatened that his superior position was fading and he went on the attack of Wheeler in a very nasty way.  If I recall Wheeler's wife had just died and this 'guru' called Wheeler a liar about that and was very abusive to Wheeler.  It appeared the attack was intended to infuriate Wheeler to the point he would leave.  So if Wheeler was talking sh*t back it is no surprise.  So you may not know Wheelers background but genius or not he has written some very deep thought books and does translations other languages.  Just one example:  "Pythagoras, Plato and Pythagoras, Plato and the Golden Ratio" subtitle "The Golden Ratio and the Pentagram in the philosophy of the Pythagoreans"

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[picowatt]

There was a certain person on the OU forum that seemed to fancy himself as the top 'guru' and when Ken Wheeler came on there it seemed the 'guru' who I won't name was threatened that his superior position was fading and he went on the attack of Wheeler in a very nasty way.

I don't recall anyone attacking him as you state, but it was some time ago so my memory may have faded regarding that.

However, I do recall that any refutations of the claims he made using his thermal camera, or that a large neo magnet was able to bend a laser beam, were met with all manner of foul language and personal attacks from him.

If a claimant is presented with evidence that proves their claim to be false, and that claimant responds with ad hominem attacks and foul language rather than simply admitting they were wrong, I tend to take the rest of their claims with a grain of salt...

PW

[Allcanadian]

picowatt

If a claimant is presented with evidence that proves their claim to be false, and that claimant responds with ad hominem attacks and foul language rather than simply admitting they were wrong, I tend to take the rest of their claims with a grain of salt...

Indeed, if a person talks and acts like a six year old then it's easy to assume they also think like one.

I suppose if nothing else it makes our job of spotting the con men and fakes much easier. For example, the majority of real FE inventors most likely to have working technology were always calm, mature, well spoken and knowledgeable. They never forced there ideas on others or threatened people. They simply made there claim and said we can take it or leave it.

Key point, it was never about people or there beliefs it was always about science, technology and understanding.

AC

[e2matrix]

The idea here was to point out that Lawrence Livermore achieved a net energy gain in a fusion experiment using lasers on as well as several other confirmations of this method.  More power out than in.   I was not trying to promote Ken Wheeler as much as I am saying here is another very educated person that despite a bit of ego and his demeanor that is not uncommon among high IQ individuals (is that how you judge everyone AC?) who is saying the Aether (or zero point or whatever other name you may want to call it) is going to need to be involved to get extra energy.  My other reason for starting this thread was to point out that here is someone else beside Merlynn talking about the Aether and how it may be the real source of any extra energy.  I would suggest that unless you have achieved a good amount of overunity you might want to consider other opinions on how to achieve that.

[sollaris1989]

Dear friends ,
I know Mr.Wheeler  from the internet for about 12 years.
He repeats the same things again, again and all over again.
You will never ever get any valuable information , about FE or OU from Mr.Wheeler.
He can translate Greek , can speak Rusian and has some knolege about magnets and magnetic fields.
He offers books , free of charge , and he is a really good guy...however,
Theory is theory , and repeating stuff all over again for 12 years..will not solve anything.
You can get your hopes up....if you want..but that will not do any good.

Stay Safe.
Best regards.
@Sollaris1989 

[picowatt]

The idea here was to point out that Lawrence Livermore achieved a net energy gain in a fusion experiment using lasers on as well as several other confirmations of this method.  More power out than in.

Just to be clear, they proved that a specific amount of energy delivered to their target, arranged as it was, can induce fusion and release more energy than the amount of energy that was delivered to the target.  In this sense, there was a net energy gain, i.e., more power out than in.

However, the methods used to generate the energy delivered to the target (lasers, etc) were very inefficient.  The "wall socket" to fusion output efficiency was less than 10%.   

PW

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[Chet K]

Wesley
If you are now writing that this Zeneck is FE?
Here is appropriate board for that
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4560.msg109928;topicseen#msg109928

Will be interesting to see what has changed since last replication attempt ( that would be good place to start
As all parties involved are still available to comment!

Apologies to E2 for off topic
Note : here as yet undefined ( by main stream) gain mechanisms
can be referred to as whatever the claimant wishes ( Aether etc etc)

No one will argue that point ( initially)
However as it becomes more understood.. it may fit into places already defined within the box ..

Also RE MerLynn claims, that is still ongoing off forum ( hopefully this next year a visit to site .
Respectfully
Chet K

[chief kolbacict]

one person said that perpetuum mobile is not exist because it violates the law of cause and effect as well.
https://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=64:682:217#217

[e2matrix]

I'm going to toss one more morsel out there for consideration and this is NOT from Ken Wheeler.  So how about info from a man who is a qualified Astrophysicist and Aerospace Engineer, whose name appears on several patents and patent disclosures. He spent over 30 years working for the US government under the waived unacknowledged special access program known as Majestic. a "black projects" program of the US Navy.

"MAJestic has driven the Research and Development efforts of American companies for decades now.
MAJestic has provided Velcro, LED's, fiber optics, computers, integrated circuits, artificial intelligence, nano-technology, carbon
fibers, and many more "everyday" technologies that are in daily use. But this organization is involved in much more than that. The
organization is in the process of developing "Star Trek" technologies such as "teleporters", "warp drive", and other technologies
that are considered so advanced that they are the realm of fantasy.

Everything you Know is Wrong.
Everything that the reader knows, think they know, read, and have studied is all wrong. It is wrong. That is the best and only way
that I can say it. What we think we know is in complete variance to the true and real reality.

The truth is that, at best, humans understand only the most trivial of the mechanics of the universe. The use of a computer instead of
one's own brain to derive Maxwell's equations is a pure example of this. We think we are masters of our world because of the tools
that we fabricate. That is like saying that your wife is a gourmet chef because she makes a "killer" tuna casserole.

It's not true. Not at all. So for starters, let's knock the human understanding of itself down a notch or two. Humans know diddly
squat about reality. We know jack shit.

I ask the reader to imagine that everything that you have learned about the world, science, the universe, man, history, and religion is
WRONG.

It is wrong.

It is wrong, wrong, wrong.

It is all WRONG!"


Info from the books and website of Robert Vannrox.

So after all these years if we haven't found a way to produce the energy we seek maybe it is time to consider the Aether or other things not taught in 'science'.

[Chet K]

e2matrix
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Info from the books and website of Robert Vannrox.
End quote
It's your thread ...
Got a link ?

Respectfully
Chet
To the New Year ( for us earthlings

[e2matrix]

e2matrix
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Info from the books and website of Robert Vannrox.
End quote
It's your thread ...
Got a link ?

Respectfully
Chet
To the New Year ( for us earthlings

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0645310212

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0645310239

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0645310247

Note that it is a bit complex about how long he worked in Majestic - links above will show 20 years but I've seen 30 more often and in some ways he is still working with a  'special' group going on 40 years.  I mention this because on Amazon you'll see reference to 20 rather than 30 as I posted above. 

[e2matrix]

One more for new ways of thinking.  The book titled:  E Squared Nine Do It Yourself Energy Experiments That Prove Your Thoughts Create Your Reality
Attached below.

And "Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science
becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the
universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man."
—ALBERT EINSTEIN

And I'm sure most members here are familiar with Charles Steinmetz, mathematician and electrical engineer and professor who fostered the development of alternating current.

"The greatest discovery and development of the coming years
will be along spiritual lines. Here is a force which history
clearly teaches has been the greatest power in the development
of man and history, and yet we have been merely playing with
it and have never seriously studied it as we have physical
forces. Some day people will learn that material things do not
bring happiness and are of little use in making men and
women creative and powerful. Then the scientists of the world
will turn their laboratories over to the study of the spiritual
forces. When this day comes, the world will see more
advancement in one generation than it has in the past four."
—CHARLES PROTEUS STEINMETZ

[AlienGrey]

Quote:- Despite all this hype, we appear to live in an electrically charged universe.

If your going to fill peoples heads with un proved negative info presented as facts please make sure it's fact and not claptrap sudo science fiction BS.

Many thanks Sil


https://energywavetheory.com/explanations/aether/

[Verpies]

Wesley
If you are now writing that this Zeneck is FE?

Good question