Where i'm at 1+1=3

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Thaelin	Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #250 on: 2024-07-28, 08:17:13 »
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gyula	Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #251 on: 2024-08-19, 16:30:27 »
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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #252 on: 2025-01-07, 12:21:25 »

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BUMP. Thanks Floodrod.

Blimey, it’s getting on 11 months since I got clobbered, thankfully I’m able to read and write again. Physically a different story but I tinker as a form of physiotherapy. I keep picking up the two rotors and suddenly thought did anyone try a gentle variable DC drive to the centre Gizmo?

On page 2 I found Brads video where he showed us a 5 magnet rotor pair. A couple of questions, did anyone try this 5 magnet arrangement? Why does the motor stay at a constant speed?

Cheers Graham.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps9AUKzsKfg

« Last Edit: 2025-01-07, 13:23:41 by Grumage »

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #253 on: 2025-01-09, 13:07:16 »

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Quote from: Grumage on 2025-01-07, 12:21:25

BUMP. Thanks Floodrod.

Blimey, it’s getting on 11 months since I got clobbered, thankfully I’m able to read and write again. Physically a different story but I tinker as a form of physiotherapy. I keep picking up the two rotors and suddenly thought did anyone try a gentle variable DC drive to the centre Gizmo?

On page 2 I found Brads video where he showed us a 5 magnet rotor pair. A couple of questions, did anyone try this 5 magnet arrangement? Why does the motor stay at a constant speed?

Cheers Graham.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps9AUKzsKfg

Oh dear, just Crickets chirping.

A simple yes or no or I don’t know would be great. I was thinking about getting the 5 pole rotor drawn up over the weekend but if it’s already been tried then it’s both a waste of time and material. Also I’m still curious why the rotors maintained a constant speed.
Cheers Grum.

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #254 on: 2025-01-09, 15:06:25 »

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Hi Graham,

sorry about that, i thought others would likely be more suited to answer, but obviously we all thought that

I don't think a 4 or 5 magnet rotor makes any difference, so no, i did not try that.

I don't know what you mean by "a gentle variable DC drive to the centre Gizmo?"

The Gizmo, i think, is just a coil around a core being pulsed at the right time (by hall sensor, pickup coil etc.) which gives it its constant speed IMO.

Looking at Tinman his YouTube side (https://www.youtube.com/@69Atho/videos), he is still now and then showing some updates on his build, but apparently not interesting enough for updating this (his) thread(s).

Good to hear things are improving (read and write again), so keep on tinkering

Itsu

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #255 on: 2025-01-11, 01:30:39 »

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Quote from: Grumage on 2025-01-09, 13:07:16

Oh dear, just Crickets chirping.

I was waiting for someone else to write something interesting.

Anyway, F6FLT's analysis of these type of motors is right on the spot when only hard magnets are involved.
If you add a soft ferromagnetic member (e.g. a Wesley G. shield), then such motors start to fall under a different category.

I have never seen a geared dual-rotor motor with a W.G. shield implemented, which is not a surprise because such shield requires soft ferromagnetic member with tunable thickness.

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #256 on: 2025-01-13, 13:03:26 »

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Thank you Itsu/Verpies.

With several degrees of frost and a covering of snow outside, the kitchen table is a nice place to be alongside the stove… I have reduced the number of magnets in the rotors from 6 to 3, in each. Currently waiting for some Ceramic bearings to replace the Steel ones. They are definitely influenced by the strong magnetic field. The variable mass WG shield is next on the agenda.

Cheers Grum.

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Itsu	Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #257 on: 2025-01-17, 10:22:47 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4684	Graham, i did experiment with all nylon bearings, but could only notice a minor improvement, but i still used the 6 magnets per rotor. Perhaps these ceramic bearings perform much better. Could you give an example of such a ceramic bearing (ad, picture)? Not sure what you mean by "variable mass WG shield", could you explain? Thanks, Itsu

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #258 on: 2025-01-17, 12:59:20 »

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Dear Itsu.

I’m merely tinkering with Brad’s idea to keep me sane. Having lost my engineering abilities almost completely it’s a good way to start my rehabilitation and I’m now able to use a spanner and screwdriver again.

After removing 3 sets of magnets ( now 120 degrees spacing ) I noticed that the rotors, if offset correctly almost ran past each other with little to no resistance.

The bearings are known as hybrid Ceramic which have Steel race’s and Ceramic balls. They are quite expensive so I wouldn’t recommend purchasing them until I see a positive result.

Legend has it that Wesley Gary invented a perpetual motion motor. The principle was ridiculously simple. He discovered that at a certain distance from one magnetic pole, Iron would flip polarity. This change appears to be based upon the mass.

As you know I have spent many hours building various replicas of the WG motor, without success.

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #259 on: 2025-01-17, 21:50:15 »

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Quote from: Grumage on 2025-01-17, 12:59:20

Dear Itsu.

I’m merely tinkering with Brad’s idea to keep me sane. Having lost my engineering abilities almost completely it’s a good way to start my rehabilitation and I’m now able to use a spanner and screwdriver again. After removing 3 sets of magnets ( now 120 degrees spacing ) I noticed that the rotors, if offset correctly almost ran past each other with little to no resistance.

The bearings are known as hybrid Ceramic which have Steel race’s and Ceramic balls. They are quite expensive so I wouldn’t recommend purchasing them until I see a positive result.

Legend has it that Wesley Gary invented a perpetual motion motor. The principle was ridiculously simple. He discovered that at a certain distance from one magnetic pole, Iron would flip polarity. This change appears to be based upon the mass.

As you know I have spent many hours building various replicas of the WG motor, without success.

Cheers Graham.

Hey Graham,

I had to go back and read your posts. I just realized that you had a stroke and am sorry to hear that. I took quite a long break from the forum after spending a lot of time working on Mike's STEAP replication without success so I've missed quite a bit. Have you ever heard of Methylene Blue? It may be something worth looking into to help you recover your mind more fully. https://axonintegrativehealth.com/iv-packages/unlocking-neuro-protection-and-enhancements-the-power-of-methylene-blue-iv-therapy/

Take Care,

Dave

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #260 on: 2025-01-18, 14:10:36 »

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Thanks Dave, try 4

Bleed in March causing me to loose the use of my right arm and hand then 3 more in late June early July. This time a clot or two which affected my right side coordination. Luckily my mental acuity was virtually intact.

Verpies recommended a regime of several homeopathic remedies, Lions Mane being one of them. I’m not a great fan of Big PHARMA medicine so have decided against the Statins despite my high Cholesterol levels. My problem is that I cannot function on low levels of Cholesterol!

Anyway, enough of my woes, my goal is now focused on getting fit enough to return to my favourite place, the workshop. Well perhaps not just yet, we need to see some warmer weather first.

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #261 on: 2025-01-18, 23:26:51 »

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Quote from: Grumage on 2025-01-18, 14:10:36

Thanks Dave, try 4

Bleed in March causing me to loose the use of my right arm and hand then 3 more in late June early July. This time a clot or two which affected my right side coordination. Luckily my mental acuity was virtually intact.

Verpies recommended a regime of several homeopathic remedies, Lions Mane being one of them. I’m not a great fan of Big PHARMA medicine so have decided against the Statins despite my high Cholesterol levels. My problem is that I cannot function on low levels of Cholesterol!

Anyway, enough of my woes, my goal is now focused on getting fit enough to return to my favourite place, the workshop. Well perhaps not just yet, we need to see some warmer weather first.

Cheers Graham.

I'm glad it didn't affect your cognitive abilities!! I hope you find a speedy recovery and that today's medicine and understanding of the body can get you back to where you want to be.

Take Care,

Dave

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #262 on: 2025-01-25, 05:51:57 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2025-01-17, 10:22:47

Graham,

i did experiment with all nylon bearings, but could only notice a minor improvement, but i still used the 6 magnets per rotor.
Perhaps these ceramic bearings perform much better.
Could you give an example of such a ceramic bearing (ad, picture)?

Not sure what you mean by "variable mass WG shield", could you explain?

Thanks, Itsu

try this...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iSTfFIetYPY

mags

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #263 on: 2025-01-25, 11:04:47 »

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Thanks Mags.

With Itsu’s help on the CAD front I have printed two new rotors. Just 3 magnet slots @ 120 degrees. They carry two N 52 - 10x10 round Neodymium magnets with a 10 mm diameter Sreel ball facing the gate.

https://youtu.be/HPTNzqcbxDo?feature=shared

At this moment I have the Ceramic Hybrid bearings shimmed with beer can but the intention is to use Silver Steel precision ground stock for the pivots….. The more precise the build, the better.

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #264 on: 2025-01-27, 00:07:34 »

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Quote from: Grumage on 2025-01-25, 11:04:47

https://youtu.be/HPTNzqcbxDo?feature=shared

...I remembered that when I was playing with W.G. shields years ago, they worked better when they were composed of three layers, e.g.: transformer steel sheet - glass sheet - transformer steel sheet.

I was using microscope slides as the glass sheets but anything that is incompressible and not ferromagnetc and nonconductive, should work.

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #265 on: 2025-01-27, 14:09:09 »

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Quote from: TinMan on 2024-04-07, 05:41:49

It is not to repel the magnets, it is to reduce the attraction toward the steel, and to keep the two approaching magnets fields from one another.
Keep in mind that only a % of the two rotor magnets fields has to be reduced, in order to gain an offset, and thus rotation.
The greater this reduction % is, the more torque the motor has.

1+1=3
The field intensity on the gate plate can be increased by up to 5 times, by using bucking fields on the plate, as we found out in the 1+1=3 motor build.
So, one fixed magnet, and one adjustable one, to increase or decrease field intensity on the plate.

As seen on the other side of the stator former, there is an adjusting screw hole to adjust the bucking magnets.
The two holes on the other end of the tube is just for a magnet/spring retaining pin.

Brad

Thanks for the advice Verpies.

So, if I’ve understood this post correctly a coil wound on a suitable former and placed where the adjustable PM’s are housed we should be able to dial in the correct magnetic flux to see rotation?

Cheers Graham.

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Itsu	Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #266 on: 2025-01-27, 21:25:34 »
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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #267 on: 2025-02-12, 00:16:59 »

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Quote from: web000x on 2025-01-17, 21:50:15

Have you ever heard of Methylene Blue? It may be something worth looking into to help you recover your mind more fully.

Methylene Blue is neuroprotective and it tends to accumulate in cancerous tumors sensitizing them to other treatments. It turns the urine green, too.

So I would recommend it for treating cancers (together with phenbendazole and ivermectin) and for protecting the brain from an UPCOMING stroke or hypoxia, ...but not for neuroregeneration from a PAST stroke.

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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #268 on: 2025-02-12, 01:15:50 »

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Quote from: verpies on 2025-02-12, 00:16:59

Methylene Blue is neuroprotective and it tends to accumulate in cancerous tumors sensitizing them to other treatments. It turns the urine green, too.

So I would recommend it for treating cancers (together with phenbendazole and ivermectin) and for protecting the brain from an UPCOMING stroke or hypoxia, ...but not for neuroregeneration from a PAST stroke.

It might not work by means of neuroregeneration, but the nootropic factor is pretty profound for anyone struggling with brain fog.

Dave

JimBoot	Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #269 on: 2025-02-12, 02:23:05 »
Group: Tinkerer Hero Member Posts: 1937	Quote from: web000x on 2025-02-12, 01:15:50 It might not work by means of neuroregeneration, but the nootropic factor is pretty profound for anyone struggling with brain fog. Dave Love this conversation probably needs it's own thread - thanks for the tips @verpies. Bit hard to tell others about protecting themselves from UPCOMING strokes & hypoxia though. But if asked I have that info now.

Grumage	Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #270 on: 2025-10-05, 20:33:39 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 3095	I’ll leave this here tonight. https://youtu.be/oDnnc6H9nZo?si=a64HaqHS-yyPVh4m Hope to have a little more to say tomorrow. Cheers Grum. --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

Itsu	Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #271 on: 2025-10-06, 10:41:44 »
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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #272 on: 2025-10-06, 12:49:50 »

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Thanks Itsu.

When Brad, TinMan dropped this bombshell a couple of years ago I think most of us were hoping that this was it? Why would he make such a bold statement, If not true?

Sadly the project quickly became bogged down and ground to a halt. Almost immediately Red flags began flying with even simple errors in the stl files for the Rotors being found and rectified.

Moving forward I wondered if the Rotors weren’t actually the right size and Brad had just quickly cobbled something together to save face? My reasoning was that the greater spacing between the poles would make it easier to manipulate the interaction.
Itsu very kindly drew up some new rotors at the maximum diameter that my Bambu Labs P1S was capable of. A new base and some high precision ceramic bearings finished the job.

So, here we are today. Thankfully the many hours spent tinkering with this device haven’t been a total waste, it has helped immensely with my rehabilitation from the brain damage after the strokes. I am using 10x10 mm N 52 pairs in 20 mm pockets. I have also tried one magnet and one Steel ball , ball seeing ball. The best effect seems to be placing squares of Transformer Steel over each pairing as they pass one another. Typically the video demonstration didn’t play ball as I’ve had several full revolutions on many occasions. My question is would a different angle of attack of the magnets change the situation? At the moment they meet each other head on. Is this something that could be done using a simulation?

Cheers Grum.

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Magluvin	Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #273 on: 2025-10-06, 16:05:13 »
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Re: Where i'm at 1+1=3 « Reply #274 on: 2025-10-06, 16:26:50 »

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Graham,

you said: "My question is would a different angle of attack of the magnets change the situation? At the moment they meet each other head on. Is this something that could be done using a simulation?"

Searching in google, i ran across this website: https://citeus.um.ac.id/jmest/vol9/iss1/21/ and its article about the "angle of attack" of magnets in a specific electric motor using a simulator.

Perhaps it contains some useful information for your setup.

Your magnets could be "offset" (thus changing their "angle of attack" IMO) by offsetting the gears teeth.
Not sure how that relates to the 44 degrees etc. mentioned in the article.

Attaching the PDF below.

Itsu

Simulation of Magnet Thickness and Angle of Attack on Magnetic Fo.pdf (597.05 kB - downloaded 22 times.)