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Some say the PM is no different than a spring, but that is far from the truth.

In this topic, i will be showing what i have learned over the years in regards to PMs and their fields, and how they can be manipulated for gain.

There will be those that say PMs cannot do useful work--these are the same people that cannot tell you what a PM field is.
How you can make a claim as such, and have no knowledge of what a PM field is, is beyond me.
Could it be a case that those making such a claim listen only to what others tells them, without trying things for them self.

PMs and EMs do !not! have field lines-period.
So many are fooled by the sprinkling of iron filings over a sheet of paper atop a PM, thinking that they are looking at field lines.
Fact is, those iron filings become temporary PMs them self, when in the presence of a magnetic field, and so form what looks like magnetic field lines when they stick together.

A magnetic field is more represented as a gas or a cloud around the PM.
This cloud can be distorted/manipulated in ways that can result in a net gain of energy in a full cycle.
There is no transformation of energy from a PM to another form, which is why the PM can continue to do useful work without loss of it's own energy.
And yes, PMs have energy, unless you can explain as to how the magnetic field is maintained without some form of energy producing i

 
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Each atom has a set of energy levels associated with it. All of the atoms of a particular element have the same set of energy levels, but every element has a unique set of energy levels associated with its atoms. Knowing the energy levels identifies the element.

So what happens when you align all the domains that contain these atoms ?
So the PM has energy which has been aligned to produce a field, and that field can be made to do useful work, when manipulated correctly.

Those that followed the 1+1=3 thread, will know that some times things don't add up as they should.
With 1 PM, we may have had a pull force of say 2kg, but when we added another PM of the same, with apposing fields facing each other, our pull force did not double as it should, but gains of up to 5x were seen.
A PM can either attract a steel ball, or repel it. It all depends on how you configure those magnetic fields.

An old experiment i did years ago, along my path of learning how to manipulate magnetic fields to do what they normally would not do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzvy1VgdXDo

In the next post i make, i will give you a little experiment to try.
All things to come will be easier to test for those with a 3D printer.

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Some say the PM is no different than a spring, but that is far from the truth.

In this topic, i will be showing what i have learned over the years in regards to PMs and their fields, and how they can be manipulated for gain.

There will be those that say PMs cannot do useful work--these are the same people that cannot tell you what a PM field is.
How you can make a claim as such, and have no knowledge of what a PM field is, is beyond me.
Could it be a case that those making such a claim listen only to what others tells them, without trying things for them self.

PMs and EMs do !not! have field lines-period.
So many are fooled by the sprinkling of iron filings over a sheet of paper atop a PM, thinking that they are looking at field lines.
Fact is, those iron filings become temporary PMs them self, when in the presence of a magnetic field, and so form what looks like magnetic field lines when they stick together.

A magnetic field is more represented as a gas or a cloud around the PM.
This cloud can be distorted/manipulated in ways that can result in a net gain of energy in a full cycle.
There is no transformation of energy from a PM to another form, which is why the PM can continue to do useful work without loss of it's own energy.
And yes, PMs have energy, unless you can explain as to how the magnetic field is maintained without some form of energy producing i

 
So what happens when you align all the domains that contain these atoms ?
So the PM has energy which has been aligned to produce a field, and that field can be made to do useful work, when manipulated correctly.

Those that followed the 1+1=3 thread, will know that some times things don't add up as they should.
With 1 PM, we may have had a pull force of say 2kg, but when we added another PM of the same, with apposing fields facing each other, our pull force did not double as it should, but gains of up to 5x were seen.
A PM can either attract a steel ball, or repel it. It all depends on how you configure those magnetic fields.

An old experiment i did years ago, along my path of learning how to manipulate magnetic fields to do what they normally would not do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzvy1VgdXDo

In the next post i make, i will give you a little experiment to try.
All things to come will be easier to test for those with a 3D printer.

Brad
Thought I'd seen all your vids. That was a new one on me. Nice design.
   
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An old experiment i did years ago, along my path of learning how to manipulate magnetic fields to do what they normally would not do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzvy1VgdXDo
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Hi Brad,

Thanks for referring to that video, I think it reveals the principle for your PM motor: the gear system makes sure that magnets you show holding in hand can arrive at (and then move away from) the right spot at the right time to get either repel or attract forces to be utilized as shaft torque.
   Is this close?   8)

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Hi Brad,

Thanks for referring to that video, I think it reveals the principle for your PM motor: the gear system makes sure that magnets you show holding in hand can arrive at (and then move away from) the right spot at the right time to get either repel or attract forces to be utilized as shaft torque.
   Is this close?   8)

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I enjoyed your video, Brad.  Very well explained and understandable, repeatable.

   I strongly support what you're doing - love your idea of seeking about 10 replications (if I understood you correctly).
I should add that I recently purchased a large building in town, about 8000 sq ft.  I have been moving my
laboratory (with multiple oscilloscopes, tools, meters, power supplies, lots of magnets (all sizes) and electronics parts etc.) over to
this building.  The move should be completed next week.  This will give much more room to play/work
and I would be glad to be of service if I could.

    Another thought - I still have contact with several people who could become "angel donors" I believe, if such
would help your project reach humanity quickly (if that's your goal).

    Although the concept you propose sounds surprising, my studies on the bench with the "Faraday Paradox" have
convinced me that there are mysteries regarding magnetic fields that physicists do not fully understand.  See also the
quest for finding out the nature of dark-matter and dark-energy, fruitless so far after DECADES of searching by astrophysicists.

You mentioned a problem with gears from a 3D printer which wear down over time during operation of your device.
Can one circumvent this issue by using pulleys of different sizes and drive-belts?  or perhaps gears of sturdier construction materials?

More power to you!!
     
   

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I enjoyed your video, Brad.  Very well explained and understandable, repeatable.

   I strongly support what you're doing - love your idea of seeking about 10 replications (if I understood you correctly).
I should add that I recently purchased a large building in town, about 8000 sq ft.  I have been moving my
laboratory (with multiple oscilloscopes, tools, meters, power supplies, lots of magnets (all sizes) and electronics parts etc.) over to
this building.  The move should be completed next week.  This will give much more room to play/work
and I would be glad to be of service if I could.

    Another thought - I still have contact with several people who could become "angel donors" I believe, if such
would help your project reach humanity quickly (if that's your goal).

    Although the concept you propose sounds surprising, my studies on the bench with the "Faraday Paradox" have
convinced me that there are mysteries regarding magnetic fields that physicists do not fully understand.  See also the
quest for finding out the nature of dark-matter and dark-energy, fruitless so far after DECADES of searching by astrophysicists.

You mentioned a problem with gears from a 3D printer which wear down over time during operation of your device.
Can one circumvent this issue by using pulleys of different sizes and drive-belts?  or perhaps gears of sturdier construction materials?

More power to you!!
   

The plan is to have 2 working motors.
1 that i have, and one that will be replicated by another member of this forum, and confirmed to work.
These 3Dd printed motors don't have to last long, as long as they work.
Then, after confirmation of a working device, i will be building 10 precision motors from machined alloys etc, so as they last at least a year.
At an output of 200 watts/200 joules a second, even the 3D printed motor will deliver far more energy than it took to make the PMs.

I am in talks with Chet, and he knows how things need to happen.
So perhaps have a chat with him as well.

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Brad,

Is the output measured in mechanical, electrical, or both?

I would scale it to ~1HP to power a small scooter as a POC!

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The plan is to have 2 working motors.
1 that i have, and one that will be replicated by another member of this forum, and confirmed to work.
These 3Dd printed motors don't have to last long, as long as they work.
Then, after confirmation of a working device, i will be building 10 precision motors from machined alloys etc, so as they last at least a year.
At an output of 200 watts/200 joules a second, even the 3D printed motor will deliver far more energy than it took to make the PMs.

I am in talks with Chet, and he knows how things need to happen.
So perhaps have a chat with him as well.

Brad

Thanks for this, Brad.  What you describe above is consistent with what you said earlier, which I quote below:
Brad:  "Once he has a running motor, he will confirm here on this thread that is actually works.

From that point, and only after confirmation, the plan is to have 10 fully engineered working prototypes built, as the3D printed  gears only last about 20 hours.
These will only be small 200 watt motors, so as to keep the cost down. Myself and the two mentioned above, will be choosing 8 people on this forum to receive 1 of these motors.
It will then be up to those 8 to share around as they see fit--This is an open source project."


YES!  well said, Brad!  I think this is a VERY solid plan to benefit humanity, at a time when so much seems to
be going "the other way."
   

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Is the output measured in mechanical, electrical, or both?

I would scale it to ~1HP to power a small scooter as a POC!

Regards,
Pm

The output was measured using the old mechanical HP method.
I measured 0.26hp, which is close enough to 200 watts.

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The output was measured using the old mechanical HP method.
I measured 0.26hp, which is close enough to 200 watts.

Brad

Thanks for the info!  Although I've never tried its on my printer, I have some carbon fiber reinforced material that should run longer than the regular PLA.  I have the high heat nozzle that is required but haven't installed it in the hot head yet.  Of course nothing will beat a machined aluminum part.

Interesting project.  I agree with you that energy gains are possible even though most will not accept it!

Regards,
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PMs and EMs do !not! have field lines-period.
So many are fooled by the sprinkling of iron filings over a sheet of paper atop a PM, thinking that they are looking at field lines.
Fact is, those iron filings become temporary PMs them self, when in the presence of a magnetic field, and so form what looks like magnetic field lines when they stick together.


Looking through ferrofluid from all different angles of magnets interacting and I see it as layers of magnetic energy. There are definitely lines, but I agree these are not 'field lines', they appear to be and behave more like energy field boundaries. So in the case of the iron filings - they aren't arbitrarily being attracted to field lines and making pretty patterns, but to energy boundaries within the magnetic field that hold the right condition for a grain of iron to become magnetic... hmmm...
   

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Looking through ferrofluid from all different angles of magnets interacting and I see it as layers of magnetic energy. There are definitely lines, but I agree these are not 'field lines', they appear to be and behave more like energy field boundaries. So in the case of the iron filings - they aren't arbitrarily being attracted to field lines and making pretty patterns, but to energy boundaries within the magnetic field that hold the right condition for a grain of iron to become magnetic... hmmm...

The iron filings test is what tricks people into thinking they are seeing these magical field lines, when in fact, all they are seeing is the iron filings becoming tiny little magnets them self, and sticking to each other, forming these lines they see. If they carried out the same test over and over, they would see that the patten formed is different every time. How could this be if the !field lines! are the same at any one time ?. Should the pattern formed by the iron filings not be the same every time ?


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I want you all to have a good look at this picture.
What do you see ?

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Tinman is correct.

Faraday claimed there are no real field lines they are imaginary and a form of notation like topography lines. Should people start running around the outdoors looking for real topography lines drawn on the ground?, well no it's absurd.

The reason iron filings or small wires form lines is simple, any two iron filings or wires in parallel have like poles so they repel. Any two iron filings or wires in series have unlike poles so they attract. The magnetic fields induced in the iron filings tends to cause a pattern of lines because of the way the fields interact and are oriented. It's literally grade school science. We can use iron filings, pieces of iron wire or long skinny magnets to produce the effect.

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Tinman is correct.

Faraday claimed there are no real field lines they are imaginary and a form of notation like topography lines. Should people start running around the outdoors looking for real topography lines drawn on the ground?, well no it's absurd.

The reason iron filings or small wires form lines is simple, any two iron filings or wires in parallel have like poles so they repel. Any two iron filings or wires in series have unlike poles so they attract. The magnetic fields induced in the iron filings tends to cause a pattern of lines because of the way the fields interact and are oriented. It's literally grade school science. We can use iron filings, pieces of iron wire or long skinny magnets to produce the effect.

AC
I think I remember seeing an Eric Laithwaite vid that explained it in this way as well? And why the Michelson Morley experiment failed to show an aetheric wind. Like iron filings we are stationery in the field relative to surrounding bodies. That was my uneducated understanding anyway. 
   

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An interesting toy, showing the attraction force being neutralized by a repelling force.
The net force on both bodies is is therefor 0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvfDzRLsiU&t=2s


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An interesting toy, showing the attraction force being neutralized by a repelling force.
The net force on both bodies is is therefor 0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvfDzRLsiU&t=2s

I discovered the same effect when experimenting with the Wesley Gary motor and magnetic bearings. When experimenting it became obvious that fields only diffuse at greater distances from the source but not in close proximity. So we can have multiple sources of attraction and repulsion occurring in the same instance. However, what is not shown in the video is that the zone between attraction or repulsion can be made to be very small. As Gary explained the field transition ie. neutral zone can be focused and within a millimeter or two flip in polarity. Said flip or change in polarity can be used to generate electricity.

The attraction/repulsion effect in question is very easy to explain in a mechanical sense shown below in my sketch. The spikes below the wheel can have any value and alternate in polarity. However the wheel above, being much larger, will only feel the average of all the smaller individual forces. Thus, if the average repulsion was greater than the average attraction the wheel must levitate from the surface. In reality this is also true because no matter contacts other matter and all particles are separated by fields of force. For example, we have never touched anything and what we "feel" is a change in the fields around the particles we are made of.

A similar concept applies to free energy. Most only look at the average of things in a superficial sense. They generalize and average everything to get the answer they want. However once we look deeper we realize everything is in motion near the speed of light in a vacuum. Everything we know quite literally is energy. This is not conjecture this is grade school science most should have learned.

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I discovered the same effect when experimenting with the Wesley Gary motor and magnetic bearings. When experimenting it became obvious that fields only diffuse at greater distances from the source but not in close proximity. So we can have multiple sources of attraction and repulsion occurring in the same instance. However, what is not shown in the video is that the zone between attraction or repulsion can be made to be very small. As Gary explained the field transition ie. neutral zone can be focused and within a millimeter or two flip in polarity. Said flip or change in polarity can be used to generate electricity.

The attraction/repulsion effect in question is very easy to explain in a mechanical sense shown below in my sketch. The spikes below the wheel can have any value and alternate in polarity. However the wheel above, being much larger, will only feel the average of all the smaller individual forces. Thus, if the average repulsion was greater than the average attraction the wheel must levitate from the surface. In reality this is also true because no matter contacts other matter and all particles are separated by fields of force. For example, we have never touched anything and what we "feel" is a change in the fields around the particles we are made of.

A similar concept applies to free energy. Most only look at the average of things in a superficial sense. They generalize and average everything to get the answer they want. However once we look deeper we realize everything is in motion near the speed of light in a vacuum. Everything we know quite literally is energy. This is not conjecture this is grade school science most should have learned.

AC


Agree with everything you said AC.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvfDzRLsiU&t=2s
I think this principle is the same that my toy.
https://youtu.be/ya1r--aSYiY
But neither one nor other can't do without single credle.  In that case it is the desk.
   
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I think this principle is the same that my toy.
https://youtu.be/ya1r--aSYiY
But neither one nor other can't do without single credle.  In that case it is the desk.

It's not the same principle. In the first video, the topology of the fields creates a zone of distant attraction and a zone of close repulsion. The two magnets are therefore positioned at a distance from each other.
In the second video, it's just that the weight of the system is balanced by the repulsion of the magnets, the stop serving to keep the system stable.
I have the same system at home, with the addition of a small solar-powered motor to rotate it (see attachment).

The first principle is obviously more subtle and of greater interest.


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This seems like a good thread for this PDF - I'm still digesting the implications having read it twice today, and will most likely read it again. The idea that magnetic fields contain two particles, one for each polarity, that interact in a double vortex is blowing my mind.

Short circuiting flux paths and creating magnet gates to do work would be nirvana.


   

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This seems like a good thread for this PDF - I'm still digesting the implications having read it twice today, and will most likely read it again. The idea that magnetic fields contain two particles, one for each polarity, that interact in a double vortex is blowing my mind.

Short circuiting flux paths and creating magnet gates to do work would be nirvana.
Plots of magnetic field intensity contours are not magnetic field lines.  Those double vortex plots are such contours, it even says so on page 29.  They are contours of equal magnetic intensity or equipotential.  Actual field lines are the gradient of those eqipotentials so the claim that the classical magnetic field picture is wrong is just nonsense.  It says the actual measurements used hall sensors that measured the z, y and z components of the field, so the actual directions of the field lines was known at each point.  To then use the vector sum of their amplitudes, plot these amplitudes as contours and call them field lines when the vector direction at each point could be computed is in my view just gross incompetance.

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This seems like a good thread for this PDF - I'm still digesting the implications having read it twice today, and will most likely read it again. The idea that magnetic fields contain two particles, one for each polarity, that interact in a double vortex is blowing my mind.

Short circuiting flux paths and creating magnet gates to do work would be nirvana.
Love that book. Lead me to building these. https://youtu.be/FXpjPZQQGIc
   

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Love that book. Lead me to building these. https://youtu.be/FXpjPZQQGIc

Ah, we've come full circle, thanks for reminding me JimBoot!

I found an interesting correlation between the computer generated images and a flock of sparrows that were moving in very similar ways last evening. Seems nature agrees.

   

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Containing one field, while being able to use the other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sXmD5dm8S8


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